just for everyone's info.....

[SiLvErBaK]

I don't wanna sour everyone on their lifestyle choices but sometimes it's easy to get caught up in the euphoria, of taking these performance enhancing compounds, lets face it--some of these better drugs do turn us into superman, making us superior. that's just fact, but make no mistake about it.....

just for some info....

cirrhosis of the liver happens over time, it is a scarring of the livers healthy tissue, in which damaged fibres replace those of healthy ones, you don't see it, you don't feel it until it's too late in most cases.Have u ever seen someone with a serious liver disorder? it's not pretty

high cholesterol causes hardening of the arteries, high blood pressure, plaque buildup, leading to heart faliure, heart attack(sudden death), stroke etc. you don't see it, you don;t feel it until it;s too late in most cases.

don't forget about palpitaions, arrythmiahs, high blood presure, tumors(liver, kidneys), heart enlargemnt, electrolyte imbalances, blood clots etc.

massive weight gain in short period of time is a huge shock to the body

don't wanna put a damper on everyone's fun but try and remember some of these things on occasion, unless your intent is to kill yourself fast, be smart, be educated, work hard, and be pateint.

(especially for those M!T fanatics)

[Demonwolf]

kudos

[Kiem]

I hear ya.

[italian_muscle]

your are so right high five.

[shithead]

I hear ya.



Whos in your avy bro?

[BolicPower]

This is true, but also remember steroids have not been linked to ANY deaths. i know people blame steroids for everything, but i do think it's a fairly safe drug. As in a post Monka wrote, which is abuse, then this is diffrent. Anyone on a cycle should be staight up with doctor and get ALL organs checked and blood done. As he does bring up some good points, and you used to be healthier , not sicker. Always treat any drug with respect.

[Anatomy]

I agree with everything you said that is factual and I think that too many of us are blind to what is going on in our own bodies and what it really means. We all need to be aware of the long term impact of our actions [in every area of our lives]... it goes without saying that that's a part of making good decisions. I'm glad you made this post.

I'm not saying you did this, it's a related ot rant, but what pisses me off is when people make assumptions and judgements about other people... if someone makes an educated decision to do something [or not do something] that has little or no impact on you directly then respect them for it and move on.

[JonnyO]

Thats why you need to take preventative measures. So many guys take the gear but dont bother to buy the healthy supplements as well. Its far from a waste of money and I have the blood test results to prove it all that it is worth every penny.

I will now take all my supplements daily whether Im on or off. An I take a lot of them. Here's my recomendations:

Liv52
Flush free Niacin
Saw Palmetto
C0Q10
Buffered Vitamin C
Odourless garlic
Vit E
Lecithin
Zinc
Cal/mag
Bromelain
Multi Vit/Min
Tribulus
B Complex

My renal values were just shy of someone having a stroke, HDL was low, LDL was high, etc, etc. Everything is now back into the normal range.

[gustavo77]

Thats why you need to take preventative measures. So many guys take the gear but dont bother to buy the healthy supplements as well. Its far from a waste of money and I have the blood test results to prove it all that it is worth every penny.

I will now take all my supplements daily whether Im on or off. An I take a lot of them. Here's my recomendations:

Liv52
Flush free Niacin
Saw Palmetto
C0Q10
Buffered Vitamin C
Odourless garlic
Vit E
Lecithin
Zinc
Cal/mag
Bromelain
Multi Vit/Min
Tribulus
B Complex

My renal values were just shy of someone having a stroke, HDL was low, LDL was high, etc, etc. Everything is now back into the normal range.

Hey bro, would you mind posting the doses you are taking of these supps?? Thanks!

[R.F.S.]

Thats why you need to take preventative measures. So many guys take the gear but dont bother to buy the healthy supplements as well. Its far from a waste of money and I have the blood test results to prove it all that it is worth every penny.

I will now take all my supplements daily whether Im on or off. An I take a lot of them. Here's my recomendations:

Liv52
Flush free Niacin
Saw Palmetto
C0Q10
Buffered Vitamin C
Odourless garlic
Vit E
Lecithin
Zinc
Cal/mag
Bromelain
Multi Vit/Min
Tribulus
B Complex

My renal values were just shy of someone having a stroke, HDL was low, LDL was high, etc, etc. Everything is now back into the normal range.

Won't all those pills cause unwanted stress on your liver even though they are natural?

[deleteduser0002]

Won't all those pills cause unwanted stress on your liver even though they are natural?

No, not very likely. I know of more than one "life extensionist" that takes in excess off 200 pills a day of various vitamin/mineral and other nutrients. No stress detected during regular blood work. I myself take more than whats posted above and my liver, kidney and ALL other parameters are WELL within normal range.

I would be careful with niacin though. High doses over time can cause liver problems.

[td1111]

Which of those supps are the best for lowering bad cholesterol?

[Bowlcut]

I think we all need to consider and put health ahead of the mere quest for size.
What good is being 260lbs if you feel like shit all day?

As for rapid weight gain I believe that the most retainable gains are those that are more gradual. It is comparable to rapid fat loss which has been shown not to stay off in most people because either the habits or discipline is lacking.

Guys who say they can gain 20lbs in 4 weeks must be doing something REALLY right, or maybe they are doing something really wrong while off?

[Bowlcut]

Which of those supps are the best for lowering bad cholesterol?

Omega 3's are the best and have more benefits beyond lowering cholesterol.

[SiLvErBaK]

i disagree that there have never been deaths related to steroid usage. I know for a fact there have. High doses of crank WILL **** with your heart, I don't care who u are and unless your arnold you aint buyin' youself a new one. It's the only one u got, so be careful.

As for all these ancilliaries ie. liv52, b complex, etc. etc. they are very good to take but they aren't fully preventative, remember, these are chemicals u are putting in to your body.

As for lowering cholesterol, stay away from the red meat, high amounts of fibre, efa's, and proper diet and exercise.( a glass of red wine a day will help aswell)

[mcgee]

reminds me of the time a guy in the gym told me that dbol are healthy for you.
****ing idiot

[deleteduser0002]

Which of those supps are the best for lowering bad cholesterol?

Bowlcut has got it right. Omega 3's, particularly fish oil shows the most substancial improvements in cholesterol levels out of any other supp. It is also good for the brain and lowers inflamation throughout the body. Everyone should take it IMO.

[Anatomy]

lots of things will help your lipid profile but, in my experience, even all together they can only moderate the negative impact of an abusive cycle. A clean diet with cardio, policosanol, niacin, pomegranite, Omega 3 FAs, COQ10, Vitamin e, Vitamin c, resveratrol and even red yeast rice [a statin you can buy at good health food stores] could not hold their ground against a cycle including high dose winny [for me]. How do I know this?

No fookin around here fellas; if you give 2 5hits about your long term health you'll get the bloodwork done and react appropriately when you see the results. Picture yourself lying on your hospital bed watching the people you care most about, or worse yet depend on you, cry and face the pain of losing you [mom? wife? children?]. All because you were too lazy or "too busy" to have some free bloodwork run. You can't make good decisions unless you have the relevant facts. Some of my favourites are -"I just run low dose test cycles therefore I know I'm safe" and "I just listen to my body, it hasn't let me down yet"

[SiLvErBaK]

lots of things will help your lipid profile but, in my experience, even all together they can only moderate the negative impact of an abusive cycle. A clean diet with cardio, policosanol, niacin, pomegranite, Omega 3 FAs, COQ10, Vitamin e, Vitamin c, resveratrol and even red yeast rice [a statin you can buy at good health food stores] could not hold their ground against a cycle including high dose winny [for me]. How do I know this?

No fookin around here fellas; if you give 2 5hits about your long term health you'll get the bloodwork done and react appropriately when you see the results. Picture yourself lying on your hospital bed watching the people you care most about, or worse yet depend on you, cry and face the pain of losing you [mom? wife? children?]. All because you were too lazy or "too busy" to have some free bloodwork run. You can't make good decisions unless you have the relevant facts. Some of my favourites are -"I just run low dose test cycles therefore I know I'm safe" and "I just listen to my body, it hasn't let me down yet"


Exactly, start looking down the road alittle bit, and try not to live just for the moment. I know that doesn't mean much to some of u younger guys, but i just turned 29 and i'll tell u--your outlook will change--u don;t want to have to regret all of those stupid decisions youve made.

[faller]

i disagree that there have never been deaths related to steroid usage. I know for a fact there have.

Could you put up some of those facts. And not just names, but actual published medical facts where steroids were THE contributing factor in those deaths. Not trying to direpectful bro, but i have never heard of a single death related to AAS.

[Freebsd1977]

Here's one death that may be linked to steroid abuse. When I was in high school grade 12 in Milton, Ontario. I was in the weight room and this guy comes rushing in and starts telling his friend how a 18 year old football star at a Burlington, Ontario (M.M Robinson is the school) high school was found lying dead on a bench. Apparently the post-death exam showed high levels of all types of steroids in his body. Funny thing is that school won the Ontario high school senior football title that year, about a month before the death of that kid.

[Anatomy]

the hormone itself is not what gets you, it's prolonged exposure to the negative side effects. That's why there is little [if any] direct evidence that steroids can kill you... it is a long process with almost no symptoms that ends with something like a heart attack or stroke. Society is pretty quick to chalk up these kinds of problems as dietary, hereditary or 'act of god' kinds of things and, of course, there is no provable link to steroids. Doesn't help that most people are secretive about their usage.

[mcgirkz]

Well said silverbak!!

education is your best defense when it comes to usage. I know of too many guys that just want to be told what to take and worry not about the preventative sups. sad.

be smart! be aware!

[BolicPower]

Monka, i totaly agree, I think everyone should learn the diffrence from usage and abuse. If you abuse anything, you can die, and i also agree that steoids are not directly related to any deaths.
How about pop? If a diabetic drinks that can kill you. i know if used properly, there's zero change of anything major happening.

[Mr Ontario]

Something is going to kill you eventually....pick your poison. :)

[faller]

Society is pretty quick to chalk up these kinds of problems as dietary, hereditary or 'act of god' kinds of things

Actually the exact opposite is true. Watched the news lately? An athlete dies and the first thing out of the media's mouth is steroid. No matter if the evidence points in every other direction, it is steroids they will focus on..

[mcgirkz]

lots of misinformation, or trying to sway the public opinion through the media. most opinions on AAS are ilconceived, but at the same time you have to give AAS the respect it deserves as a powerful substance. Its the abuse that gives it a bad name

[Boost]

I know of more than one "life extensionist" that takes in excess off 200 pills a day of various vitamin/mineral and other nutrients.


Does he have room left in his stomach for food?