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beretta96
29-01-2010, 02:58 PM
Hi guys,
I'm 5 days in on the Palumbo, so far it sucks not eating carbs, I haven't felt like this since I quit smoking. It's tolerable so I'll suck it up. Just tired a lot.
I do have a few questions about it.
When my kids are eating carbs like NOW, is there a way to kill the cravings?
How much weight can you lose weekly?
Can I skip the cheat meal? If not, what do you guys eat?
How many carbs does it take to kick out of keto? I had 2 forks of pasta on tuesday night at work....felt bad after.
How long do you stay on a diet like this?
thanks guys.
When my kids are eating carbs like NOW, is there a way to kill the cravings?
i drink water, lots and lots of water
How much weight can you lose weekly?
depends on how much cardio you add, fat loss will slow down over time
Can I skip the cheat meal? If not, what do you guys eat?
no you NEED the cheat meal, something to do with your thyroid. cheat meal is 500 grams of carbs. im having pankakes and ice cream.
How many carbs does it take to kick out of keto? I had 2 forks of pasta on tuesday night at work....felt bad after.
no idea, too scared to cheat.
How long do you stay on a diet like this?
until you reach desired bodyweight
tiramisu
29-01-2010, 03:35 PM
I find pellegrino (bubbly water with some taste) and a squeeze of lemon helps with the hunger. I am 4 weeks in and have dropped about 10 pounds and an 1.5" on my waist. In the first 2 weeks you shouldn't have a cheat meal, but i did. Have a human sized meal with a good dose of carbs. Your weight will jump up 3-5 pounds the next morning and the water will start dumping again the following day. I am planning to be on this diet for 16 weeks. I think that is about as long as you would want to. I tried to diet for 20 weeks last year and it was dreadful. Better would be 12 but I doubt that I will be lean enough after 12.
In the first 2 weeks you shouldn't have a cheat meal, but i did.
:shock
When my kids are eating carbs like NOW, is there a way to kill the cravings?
Just walk away. Be strong it wont last forever.
Can I skip the cheat meal? If not, what do you guys eat?
The longest I've gone was 2 weeks. It did feel good , too .
How much weight can you lose weekly?
I'm sure it's different for everyone. You could lose up to 5lbs your first week , depending on how many cals your taking in. But you have to remember without the glycogen in your muscles your lacking water to , so after your carb meal you can regain a few lbs.
How long do you stay on a diet like this?
Personally , I think you can stay on this for as long as you want. I would not stay in a low calorie state ( below maintaince ) for over 16 weeks without taking in more cals for a few weeks.
Something I have found that works well for cravings ( if you have a sweet tooth ) is Xtend by Scivation - BCAA drink with some extras . Tastes like Kool-Aid.
rickyboy36
29-01-2010, 03:59 PM
Hi guys,
I'm 5 days in on the Palumbo, so far it sucks not eating carbs, I haven't felt like this since I quit smoking. It's tolerable so I'll suck it up. Just tired a lot.
I do have a few questions about it.
When my kids are eating carbs like NOW, is there a way to kill the cravings?
Yup,get away and drink lots of carbonated water like diet seven-up..or anything diet..crystal light as well.The bubbles from The carbonated water fills your stomach up a bit mor
[/QUOTE]How much weight can you lose weekly?[/QUOTE]
First week you will probably lose 10lbs..but 7 of that water.Of course that all depends on how much calories your ingesting and how much cardio you are doing and if you are using supplement like clen and t3.All in all you could lose up to 2-3lbs a week[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Can I skip the cheat meal? If not, what do you guys eat?[/QUOTE]
Not a good idea to skip a cheat meal.You need to regulate your thyroid.The first time you start your diet however wait till the second week to do so,so your body is able to reajust quickly once you do cheat
[/QUOTE]How many carbs does it take to kick out of keto? I had 2 forks of pasta on tuesday night at work....felt bad after.[/QUOTE]
Thats a no no!!You shouldnt have more than 45 grams of carbs from indirect sources(eggs,nuts,lettuce,crystal light has 1g) and i wouldnt go over 8grams of indirect carbs in one meal
[/QUOTE]How long do you stay on a diet like this?
thanks guys.[/QUOTE]
As long as it takes..but 16 weeks would probably be the max
beretta96
29-01-2010, 04:32 PM
thanks for the tips guys, it'll help alot. I don't know if I can go 16 weeks! I'm thinking 10 weeks, maybe 12. I am 232# before I started this and 19%bf. I'm hoping to get to around 12%.
ubcpower
29-01-2010, 04:47 PM
for cravings:
1. Green Tea
2. Get out of house and go for a walk
3. 0 Cal Sugar Free Metamucil Orange Fibre Drink
4. Gum (3-4 pieces daily)
5. Diet Pop (within reason)
6. Coffee (last resort within reason)
glutamine reduces carb cravings.....
jamex
29-01-2010, 07:05 PM
ephedrine helps cravings :yeah
after 2-3 weeks in you won't really have cravings. you might think about food, but you won't actually feel hungry. its a bizarre phenomenon. when I'm distracted I'll look at the clock and realized its time to eat and hunger did not remind me.
everyone seemed to dance around the answer for how much weightloss per week so I'll just throw it out there that 1-3lbs of steady loss is easily possible. and that's after all the water and glycogen is flushed out.
cheat meal should just be high carb, high protein, low fat. stick to that and you can eat what you want till you're full.
rickyboy36
29-01-2010, 07:32 PM
glutamine reduces carb cravings.....
Yup,this is true..along with some other amino acids but i cant remember which ones.I know that there are some diet companies that sell "cookies" as their main dish for customers and they use amino acids to suppress appetite..and have had a lot of success in doing so.
Edit:i just did a search and L-Phenylalanine,L-Tyrosine and l-carnitine do as well it seems.
4. Gum (3-4 pieces daily)
Sorry to chime in on this..but seen it and thought i'd comment on this..It is BAD to have Gum at this rate...limit it to one piece a day ..HIDDEN SUGAR....on the Palumbo(Keto) Diet..you have to let your body go into ketosis...if you even have something thats semi sweet ..it will induce an insulin spike and thus take you out of Ketosis. Thats what i've read, been told and am STRUGGLING with now..and have been for 6 weeks o nthe diet now...Once 2-3 weeks go by..your body adjusts and doesnt really look for the carbs..the FATS keep you going and keep you non-lethargic. At least for myself and my wife. Works good for us..Love the diet and wouldnt do another show not doing this diet.
ubcpower
29-01-2010, 07:44 PM
4. Gum (3-4 pieces daily)
Sorry to chime in on this..but seen it and thought i'd comment on this..It is BAD to have Gum at this rate...limit it to one piece a day ..HIDDEN SUGAR....on the Palumbo(Keto) Diet..you have to let your body go into ketosis...if you even have something thats semi sweet ..it will induce an insulin spike and thus take you out of Ketosis. Thats what i've read, been told and am STRUGGLING with now..and have been for 6 weeks o nthe diet now...Once 2-3 weeks go by..your body adjusts and doesnt really look for the carbs..the FATS keep you going and keep you non-lethargic. At least for myself and my wife. Works good for us..Love the diet and wouldnt do another show not doing this diet.
This is a pretty loaded statement, any evidence to back this up re: 0 cal gum -->insulin spike -->out of ketosis
im just going from what the man himself(Palumbo) has said about gum ..but ya obviously all those things mentions are last resorts and IDEALLY will be avoided
im just going from what the man himself(Palumbo) has said about gum ..but ya obviously all those things mentions are last resorts and IDEALLY will be avoided
That is what i was trying to say ....not sure if he himself says that it will indeed cause the insulin spike...but i was told that even something that triggers the senses to a sugar or of that nature will cause it to happen. Yes last resort thing...but i do believe that if you are that serious about doing things with absolutely no direct or indirect interference,,,then go all out and dont deviate from the plan. Just trying to say that if the diet is chicken and raw cashews..dont say ..well a little bit of ketchup wont hurt..or maybe a few extra pieces of gum will be ok ..its not a chochlate bar or donut...lol Not trying to bash the idea ..but i guess in the EXTREME cases of a contest diet is Follow it..Stick to it and see where the results take you.. If you deviate from it..you'll never know the true outcome of what may have resulted from a dedicated plan and regamine....and most of all the willpower to not stray .
So again guys not trying to cause a big stink ..but everyone knows that small things could and have led to bigger things in deviating from a diet and plan.
:fwave
Been doing some googling on dave and gum and it seems that he doesnt mind a few pieces per day..so my bad ..i guess i learn something new everyday ..And just to be honest..i had been told by someone that did use dave for precontest to limit to 1 piece/day.
Eat a whopper with no bun.
Boggles my mind why people with no desire to compete punish themselves with the palumbo diet.
My post a few months ago:
http://canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12247
JacktheThriller
29-01-2010, 10:09 PM
Hi guys,
I'm 5 days in on the Palumbo, so far it sucks not eating carbs, I haven't felt like this since I quit smoking. It's tolerable so I'll suck it up. Just tired a lot.
I do have a few questions about it.
When my kids are eating carbs like NOW, is there a way to kill the cravings?
Have a zero carb drink with creatine and fibre drink a litre and you should feel full. Another option is to set your largest meal with your kids ei dinner so that you are full up and don't have any appetite, let alone any craving for carbs.
How much weight can you lose weekly?
Me and Rickyboy are similar in 1st week losses around 7 pds water and 3 pounds of other lol.
Future weeks are 1.5-2 pds consistant. Dont weigh yourself daily if you dont want to deal with glycogen water fluctuation weigh yourself the morning after your glycogen replenishment.
Can I skip the cheat meal? If not, what do you guys eat?
You dont need a cheat meal you do need a calorie surplus(to boost your metabolism), glycogen replenishment day (To allow you to train). By no means does this day have to time off dieting.
i double my weekly cals to 5000 and make 70%carbs15%pro15Fat for macros in clean carbohydrates.
How many carbs does it take to kick out of keto? I had 2 forks of pasta on tuesday night at work....felt bad after.
The brain uses approx 100 grams of carbohydrates daily when not using ketones. The introductory 2 week keto period is key to flip the switch in your body to instinctively rely on ketones instead of carbs, making getting back into ketosis easier. if u ingest carbs in the first two weeks you are going to feel it, headaches, lathargic mood. You brain is trying to operate on carbs again and uses those few carbs you presented to it and then starts into gluconeogenesis eating your muscular systems to produce glucose. After 2 weeks it has been proven that the body remains in ketosis even after carb injestion for a period of 24 hours. This means for the average practitioner that you can have a day of pure carbs after 2 weeks and still be in ketosis the next day so the brain never switches over and sluggish feelings found in the introductory weeks are absent.
How long do you stay on a diet like this?
As long as you want but assuming you are on a cycle. Once you lose the weight you wanted to lose. Get on a carbohydrate clean bulking diet to optimal muscle gains. Rinse and repeat.
Awesome Responce Jack !!! Like i said ..i learn more and more every time i search the boards and do some more research.
All in all ..isnt LIFE and Bodybuilding a learning experience ?!?! :)
JacktheThriller
29-01-2010, 10:17 PM
true that i just know a little about keto, but **** all about the processes involved in carb diets so ill be posting a clean bulk thread when im done my diet hang in for two weeks.
ATTN KETO PPL
I found great tasting chicken wing sauce in an Independant store. 0 carb tastes just like chicken wings on chicken.
SPICE UP YOUR LIVES FELLAS
lol what? Chicken wings on chicken? That actually sounds good, but I don't know if I'm reading that right.
kawikaratekid
29-01-2010, 11:12 PM
ATTN KETO PPL
I found great tasting chicken wing sauce in an Independant store. 0 carb tastes just like chicken wings on chicken.
SPICE UP YOUR LIVES FELLAS
What's the name of the sauce?
JacktheThriller
30-01-2010, 02:12 AM
yea chicken breast tasting like chicken wings its awesome too lazy to go read the name just stroll your condiments section for wing sauce most are low carb
tiramisu
30-01-2010, 03:08 AM
frank's hot sauce ftw
beretta96
30-01-2010, 10:35 AM
thanks for the advice and tips, that was really helpful! I appreciate the help.
Timbo89
02-02-2010, 09:13 AM
Diet A&W root beer is my knight in shining armour. I often dirnk 2 litres/day. Dave said you can drink as much as you want, and that sometimes he was drinking up to 4L/day of diet soda.
Diet A&W root beer is my knight in shining armour. I often dirnk 2 litres/day. Dave said you can drink as much as you want, and that sometimes he was drinking up to 4L/day of diet soda.
That is a lot of pop !
I try to stay away from it all together , but it's nice to have a glass every once in awhile.
rickyboy36
02-02-2010, 10:21 AM
That is a lot of pop !
I try to stay away from it all together , but it's nice to have a glass every once in awhile.
It is alot of pop..but sometimes you get so hungry and crave sugar that you have no choice..loll.The only downside of it is you ass is constantly "leaking" from the aspartame going through your system(anal leakage).It can get pretty messy..loll
I've never had that issue so I'm not there , LOL..
Currently on my 4th week with no issues , but I do have my own tricks to help with cravings.
rickyboy36
02-02-2010, 10:34 AM
I've never had that issue so I'm not there , LOL..
Currently on my 4th week with no issues , but I do have my own tricks to help with cravings.
Please share... :)
Coffee helps me alot as well
It is alot of pop..but sometimes you get so hungry and crave sugar that you have no choice..loll.The only downside of it is you ass is constantly "leaking" from the aspartame going through your system(anal leakage).It can get pretty messy..loll
Well my wife and i have been on the DIET ORANGE CRUSH kick for a while now....its what we live on for fluids most of the time...key thing is with it... SPLENDA. No Aspartame !! Thats been our little helper to get through the Palumbo Diet..into our 7th week now.
Yeah , coffee , but only in the morning - helps me start the day off right.
I drink Xtend by Scivation - The taste is simply amazing ( like Kool-Aid ) filled with BCAA's , glutamine , B6 and Citrulline Malate. This helps me get over 4L of water daily .
I will also eat jerky ( home made , so I know what's in it )and the other day I picked up a chocolate bar 85% CACAO by Lindt which has 160 cals , 14g fat ( 8 sat ) 6g carbs , 2g fibre , 3g protein per 3 squares..... It's not the best tasting thing , but it is healthy chocolate if you crave that. I thought I was craving it until I tried it , LOL . Only ate 2 squares.
The only thing that I do everyday is the Xtend.
I say that this is my fourth week , but I have done the Anabolic diet before and I found that alot harder than this one. After that I never really went back to eating HIGH amounts of carbs , so this trans action was easier. But since I don't eat dairy ( cheese ) anymore and limit the amount of Saturated fats I take in I don't have nearly the amount of problems I had on the Anabolic diet.
Currently taking in aprox 2800 cals.
Well my wife and i have been on the DIET ORANGE CRUSH kick for a while now....its what we live on for fluids most of the time...key thing is with it... SPLENDA. No Aspartame !! Thats been our little helper to get through the Palumbo Diet..into our 7th week now.
Splenda actually has carbs ( cals )so be careful if you are trying to limit the amount you take in.
Although the "nutritional facts" label on Splenda's retail packaging states that a single serving of 1 gram contains zero calories, each individual, tear-open package or 1 gram serving contains 3.31 calories. Such labeling is permitted in the U.S. because the FDA's regulations allow a product to be labeled as "zero calories" if the "food contains less than 5 calories per reference amount customarily consumed and per labeled serving.
As you can see it will add up if you go crazy with it.
Praetorian
02-02-2010, 11:15 AM
Avoid splenda and equal....try to stick to stevia. Watch sugar alcohols as well in sugar free chewing gum...limit use to 4 sticks daily.
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JacktheThriller
02-02-2010, 11:45 AM
i think what people are getting at is stop looking for loop holes in the diet, people have eaten pds of greens because they were supposed to be ok and of course everything has to be calculated and even greens, in massive amounts, can take you out of ketosis, overdoing things is not good and you should be reading every package you think you can eat, if its questionable, dont eat/drink it 2 carbs/tsp is easy to add up without measuring.
Read ingredients too, maltose dextrose any -ose is carbs stay away, you may think its 0 carb and then u find out it had .5 carbs per serving and in condiments this will add to the carb total without you knowing
Adonis13
02-02-2010, 01:11 PM
stevia extract is great because u only need a tiny dash to sweeten things (300 times as sweet as sugar) and its sugar free, splenda- no good for ketosis
beretta96
12-02-2010, 08:44 PM
I'm coming to the end of week 3 and I've lost about 12 pounds. Water/fat I don't know but that's what the scale says. I must confess though, yesterday was bad, real bad. I caught the flue that the kids had, and couldn't eat or drink a thing and keep it down. Both ends, it was painful, body ached all over. Anyhow when I came around, the last thing I wanted to eat was meat so I went for a bowl of blue menu on track cereal. I know it's not good but I really couldn't eat anything else.
This leads me to my next question, in this event, what would have been best to do?
Does this screw up mean I have to hit a reset button or something?
beretta96
12-02-2010, 08:46 PM
On a positive note, the vascularity is more pronounced on my arms and legs, but still have a bulge at my belly but it's tightening up on my hips.
tiramisu
12-02-2010, 11:17 PM
stevia gets annoying pretty quick. I found the wierd licorice taste appealing for a few weeks but after that I just didn't like it any more.
beretta96
19-02-2010, 11:05 AM
My wife found a new way to eat our last protein shake of the night. She takes 1 scoop of chocolat whey, one tbsp of natty peanut butter, some water and stir it up to a loose consistency, then nuke it for about 35 seconds. It makes somewhat of a brownie that sort of tastes like pb cups! It's not bad at all. Nuke it too long and it's a hockey puck. If you nuke it too little then you wind up with warm pudding.
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