Still researching cycle need more advice please.

[Heracles]

So I'm 6 feet, 33yrs old, 205lbs between 10-12% bodyfat. Had some injuries but have worked out for about 8 years. never done anything and am considering a cycle for strength and speed only. I'm sure I will gain size but I am not looking for weight increase. This is what I'm thinking of so far, a typical noob cycle I think:

Test E weeks 1-10 250mg E4D
Anavar weeks 6-12 50mg ED

Do I need HCG weeks 6-10 250iu's E4D?
Start PCT on Week 12 nolva 40mg/day, clomid 100mg/d
week 13 nolva 30mg/day, clomid 50mg/d
week 14 nolva 20mg/day, clomid 50mg/day
week 15-17 nolva 10mg/day

Will get aromasin on hand for gyno take 12.5mg ED if signs show up. Should I get letrozole as I'm not sure if prone to gyno never done anything before.

Will take livercare and milkthistle.

Another question. Anavar is so freakin expensive I'm thinking of only running 4 weeks of var and adding 4 weeks of winny only because of cost. Doesn't seem like a good idea to take so many different things on first cycle but I thought I would ask.

That is a good starting point I think will add more info as needed from feedback.

Thanks guys I always appreciate your opinions. I will probably run another cycle later in the year this one is kind of a test stuff out cycle with strength/speed as the goal.

Herc

[theboss]

1st cycle....

Test E weeks 1-14 250mg E4D

PCT starting week 16
Nolva 40/20/20/20

[daande]

So I'm 6 feet, 33yrs old, 205lbs between 10-12% bodyfat. Had some injuries but have worked out for about 8 years. never done anything and am considering a cycle for strength and speed only. I'm sure I will gain size but I am not looking for weight increase. This is what I'm thinking of so far, a typical noob cycle I think:

Test E weeks 1-10 250mg E4D
Anavar weeks 6-12 50mg ED

Do I need HCG weeks 6-10 250iu's E4D?
Start PCT on Week 12 nolva 40mg/day, clomid 100mg/d
week 13 nolva 30mg/day, clomid 50mg/d
week 14 nolva 20mg/day, clomid 50mg/day
week 15-17 nolva 10mg/day

Will get aromasin on hand for gyno take 12.5mg ED if signs show up. Should I get letrozole as I'm not sure if prone to gyno never done anything before.

Will take livercare and milkthistle.

Another question. Anavar is so freakin expensive I'm thinking of only running 4 weeks of var and adding 4 weeks of winny only because of cost. Doesn't seem like a good idea to take so many different things on first cycle but I thought I would ask.

That is a good starting point I think will add more info as needed from feedback.

Thanks guys I always appreciate your opinions. I will probably run another cycle later in the year this one is kind of a test stuff out cycle with strength/speed as the goal.

Herc

Test E - 250mg E3.5D so you are taking 500mg a week. Shoot Monday morning and Thursday night.
HCG start the same day as your last injection. Run 1250iu E2D for 2 weeks.

[daande]

1st cycle....

Test E weeks 1-14 250mg E4D

PCT starting week 16
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I would recommend HCG due to his age recovery will be harder than a 25 year old imo. Its worth the extra money.

[theboss]

I would recommend HCG due to his age recovery will be harder than a 25 year old imo. Its worth the extra money.

perhaps.

i didnt cycle until my early 30s as well....500mg Test E, 40mg Dbol and only used Nolva and did just fine.

HCG does definatley help however.

[daande]

perhaps.

i didnt cycle until my early 30s as well....500mg Test E, 40mg Dbol and only used Nolva and did just fine.

HCG does definatley help however.

I probably shouldn't give advice when it comes to PCT as I have only ran it with HCG since after doing my research I decided it was well worth the small amount of extra money.

[GYMBRAT]

I agree with all of the above, 500mg a wk for 10-16 wks will work just fine. No need for anything else for a first cycle.

[Heracles]

Ya kind of what I thought originally. I guess I just get excited about trying to make the most of a cycle but I agree that it is better to just use Test E. Is 16 weeks too long for a noob?

Did i read the HCG dosage correctly 1250iud E2D? It's hard to figure out dosage so many people have so many different opinions on it.

Do I need to have letrozone on hand and just nolva PCT? I have read a number of other opinions on clomid vs nolva and the combo. I'm just trying to cover all the bases and thank you for the quick reply.

So now I'm thinking a 16 weeker of Test E. HCG and either just nolva or a combo of nolva and clomid with aromasin on hand.

any more comments are appreciated.
Herc

[methadone]

hey dude, why dont you have a look at this

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14746

edit, i just wanted to clarify. I directed you to my post to look at an example of a PCT, not to suggest that the cycle i posted there would be an ideal cycle for your first time.

[daande]

Ya kind of what I thought originally. I guess I just get excited about trying to make the most of a cycle but I agree that it is better to just use Test E. Is 16 weeks too long for a noob?

Did i read the HCG dosage correctly 1250iud E2D? It's hard to figure out dosage so many people have so many different opinions on it.

Do I need to have letrozone on hand and just nolva PCT? I have read a number of other opinions on clomid vs nolva and the combo. I'm just trying to cover all the bases and thank you for the quick reply.

So now I'm thinking a 16 weeker of Test E. HCG and either just nolva or a combo of nolva and clomid with aromasin on hand.

any more comments are appreciated.
Herc

You probably won't need letro on hand. If you have nolva on hand for PCT and something goes wrong with gyno side you could just use some nolva and get more for PCT. Most HCG comes in 5,000iu vials so basically get 10,000iu worth and crank it split up over 2 weeks for a total of 7 injections. 16 weeks will be fine.

[monkey]

So now I'm thinking a 16 weeker of Test E. HCG and either just nolva or a combo of nolva and clomid with aromasin on hand.

any more comments are appreciated.
Herc

Hey dude,

just my experiece, take away what you like from it.

just comparison between a 16 week and 10 week cycle.

16 week cycle: Took HCG in the last 6, did not finish with a bang ( e.g. 1500 IU eVERY 3RD DAY, just 250 every 3-4 days) ( clomid etc.. )

Took me a quite a while to fully recover. Had libido issues way past PCT ( by this I mean, It was there but not what it should be) I was decensitised to an extent that I had issues coming for quite a while...
I'd say it took me a good 3 months to feel like my old self...

Hair loss was definitely there ( yes I tried to prevent it) and acne hit me hard towards the end


10 weeks
took HCG starting at week 4, blasted at the end
Clomid at 100 mg 3 weeks, 50 1.5 weeks, aromasin 5 weeks

libido returned within 3-4 weeks, barely any hairloss, acne wayy better,


gains were somewhat comparable... after PCT gains as well since I recovered faster and feel as if I lost less


Bottom line, TOns of people run 16 weeks and you ll be fine.. but 12 weeks is a general suggestion and being safe and taking a week or two cant hurt, especially on your first cycle.
Shorter cycle, less sides and better chance of full and quick recovery. HCG will aid recovery and is probably worth it.

You could consider kickstarting with test prop if you like to keep your cycle to 8 or ten weeks...

Everybody is different.. just my experience