human grade vs. ug lab

[SiLvErBaK]

This may be a stupid question but what's the difference, obviously the "human" part implies made for human use, but aren't they both the same chemical--the same drug???..........or is is a reputation thing?cleanliness, reliabilty, sterility etc. If you know a good ug lab then why not just go with that?? its cheaper??

some light...................

[canadianmedsupplies]

human grade usually mean made in a "real" laboratory. Underground is just as it sounds.

[SiLvErBaK]

tnx


others???????????

[bigben]

There's guys who swear human grade gives them better results. If that's the case, and its fair to assume that human grade would be dosed spot on, that makes me wonder if the dosage strength isn't potentially unreliable on underground. That said, you get to know an ug product and use what amount works for you. I think reputation is everything since that's your only "standard".

[mcgee]

Human grade is sweet stuff, but is often faked so one must be carefull when making an investment. On the other hand not all ug's are made equal, quality can vary between these companies.

[SiLvErBaK]

thanks ....good points

anyone else?

[St]

I only use old UG stock,as the HG its faked very fast once a new lot or batch comes out,I did vet and HG for over 15 years.Its the same compound just different machines they use,and hope its not made in a bedroom or basement.

[SiLvErBaK]

F#&%@............
kinda makes u rethink the whole thing doesn't it?

[St]

F#&%@............
kinda makes u rethink the whole thing doesn't it?

You know i stocked up on a good old lab that made it with a good machine,they sent me pics of it many years ago.

[Mr Ontario]

Ya...I will take generic or underground stuff any day over Human gear. lol I guess it all depends what you have access too and how deep your pockets are. :) Some people all the know is underground.....

[TL1000S]

UG lab products are copies of pharm (human) grade products. There are some petty large UG's out there, that are quite proud of their name. If you get good UG lab stuff from a good source, it should be close to the pharm grade.

With today's message boards the UG labs have to be careful, because one bad batch can get them ruined on the web.

[Mr Ontario]

K you lost me....You said UG labs are copies of pharm (Human) grade products but then you say it "should" be close to pharmacy grade....Which is it bro!?

Plus I don't believe that's true! I hardly doubt a real legit pharmacy company under strict control/watch is going to sell there powders to underground companies or to places like China anymore. Why would they need to...They make enough money as it is. You never know where these UG powders are coming from and what standards the powders are UNLESS they are coming a legit pharmacy!

Like Vet products in Canada which is all fake now unless you see it walking out the Vet store yourself or from the race track vet truck. Vet companies are not going to sell there powders to underground or anyone else of the sort.



UG lab products are copies of pharm (human) grade products. There are some petty large UG's out there, that are quite proud of their name. If you get good UG lab stuff from a good source, it should be close to the pharm grade.

With today's message boards the UG labs have to be careful, because one bad batch can get them ruined on the web.

[BolicPower]

Only diffrence i'd say is price. HG (if real) clean, and expensive UG's i've used , not felt any diffrence. Imho UG looks and works just as good, IF dosed according to label claim. I've used both and won't touch HG anymore. As the lab i use works very well.

[Mr Ontario]

I remember when I did use to use underground.....nothing bad acne...shit must have been all the impurities in or just bad lab after lad that came and went and shut down or busted! I guess nothing will never change but the name of the company. :)

[fathead]

i would state it as simply as this:

there are regulations that HG pharms MUST meet. UG no such thing.
The UG stuff can vary in quality. as mentioned powders are coming from all sorts of places.

IMO HG is a superior product, question is whether or not the difference in cost is worth the difference in product. You can probably find UG gear for 1/2 the price and you may only need to take 25% more... so youre on top.

Im very skeptical about injecting anything into my body. I need to feel its come from a good producer.

[BolicPower]

True, HAS to be from someone you totaly trust, or dont' bother! I'm glad you and I both have someone we trust, with all that china shit, it's hard now.
Also with HG, thing you forgot to say , this is a guess but i'd say 80% is fake. Unless source is good. and only the scum UG will underdose, for pennys why ruin a reputiation

[Mr Ontario]

I forgot to mention when I did use underground and didn't have a reliable source for human grade that....It seemed all I got was water retention/bloat! Started using human grade...nothing but tight quality muscle gain! Dunno

[TL1000S]

K you lost me....You said UG labs are copies of pharm (Human) grade products but then you say it "should" be close to pharmacy grade....Which is it bro!?

Plus I don't believe that's true! I hardly doubt a real legit pharmacy company under strict control/watch is going to sell there powders to underground companies or to places like China anymore. Why would they need to...They make enough money as it is. You never know where these UG powders are coming from and what standards the powders are UNLESS they are coming a legit pharmacy!

Like Vet products in Canada which is all fake now unless you see it walking out the Vet store yourself or from the race track vet truck. Vet companies are not going to sell there powders to underground or anyone else of the sort.


Every steroid was designed by pharmaceutical companies, and then copied and then reproduced by UG labs. Just like when you buy prescription drugs, they often give you the "Generic" version of that drug, which was copied by Apotex once the pattent has expired. They are not 100% duplicates, but they are close.

I am not saying that the prharm companies sell to UG's as they do not. What I mean is that someone along the way broke down the compasition of a given drug, and now the UG labs use that formula to create copies of that drug.

[TL1000S]

i would state it as simply as this:

there are regulations that HG pharms MUST meet. UG no such thing.
The UG stuff can vary in quality. as mentioned powders are coming from all sorts of places.

IMO HG is a superior product, question is whether or not the difference in cost is worth the difference in product. You can probably find UG gear for 1/2 the price and you may only need to take 25% more... so youre on top.

Im very skeptical about injecting anything into my body. I need to feel its come from a good producer.


True, However......
I would much rather inject something from an UG lab that has a good reputation, then inject a fake HG product. If I could get HG for 2X the price of UG and be sure it was real, then there would be no question.

[Turtle]

i like them both. Given a good UG lab the product is just as effective as the stuff i have used direct from pharmacies when traveling.

[BAM]

I don't see HG ancillaries kickin around anymore. Scarce or what?
I like to use HG clomid. I've been having a hard time finding it from my guys lately.
How scarce is it? I want to start my cycle but I cant until I find some.

Not looking for a hookup, just asking "whats the deal?" It still around ?

[shithead]

UGs seems to have a higher incidence of allergic reaction. Other than that they are a little weaker but for the money you can double your dose and they will be just as effective.

[waderow]

i have used veterinary grade prop (race horses only), and it was hardcore vs. anything i have ever used...

However, my current UG guy is pretty good. Packaging sucks...computer printed labels, on crooked and makes you wonder, but very good quality.

[Rrrrolla]

Yeah, I couldnt care less about labelling, it winds up in the garbage afetr a couple weeks anyways, as long as it contains what it says, I'm happy!

[simon85]

I don't see HG ancillaries kickin around anymore. Scarce or what?
I like to use HG clomid. I've been having a hard time finding it from my guys lately.
How scarce is it? I want to start my cycle but I cant until I find some.

Not looking for a hookup, just asking "whats the deal?" It still around ?

Anfarm Clomid is everywhere. Just search a bit

[Mr Ontario]

Ya..the good old green bottles of Anatest prop. The good old days....stuff stung a little but was very potent. Never had better Prop....even better then the Human stuff.
To bad the new pink bottle of Vet prop are all faked and real race track prop is hard to come by due to more stick controls the vet clinic prescribing the stuff.


i have used veterinary grade prop (race horses only), and it was hardcore vs. anything i have ever used...

However, my current UG guy is pretty good. Packaging sucks...computer printed labels, on crooked and makes you wonder, but very good quality.

[shithead]

Early nineties Steris Prop, dunno if it was a copy or not but man it worked awesome and stung like hell. I could only shoot once a week cause of gf and parents at the time. I'd load 3.5cc in that barrel and kabam! I could barely sleep for days! Grew like an adolescent gorilla though!

[bigdaddydrew123]

Ya..the good old green bottles of Anatest prop. The good old days....stuff stung a little but was very potent. Never had better Prop....even better then the Human stuff.
To bad the new pink bottle of Vet prop are all faked and real race track prop is hard to come by due to more stick controls the vet clinic prescribing the stuff.
ya had that 3 years ago like being hit with a ball pean hammer next day.site pain was unreal but was strong as a work horse tho

[Mr Ontario]

What did you have 3 years ago? Not the green bottles!?



ya had that 3 years ago like being hit with a ball pean hammer next day.site pain was unreal but was strong as a work horse tho

[vvega]

It all boils down to trusting your supplier. Unless I have a script and go to a pharmacy I, personally, would have a huge trust issue with buying blackmarket hg gear. Best bet is to get a source you trust wether it be hg or underground and stick with it if you like the results.

[carlc]

The question itself is incorrect - what I mean is, whether hg or ug is better.....this is a debate that has been on-going since ug labs started importing hormones from China and producing anabolic steroids waaaay back in the.......what, 90's? lol. The thing is, testosterone is testosterone, whether you put it in a vial yourself, or whether a govt. lab does......the only pertinent questions really, are whether potency and purity can be trusted....given the fact that so much of the supposedly "Pharm" gear out there is simply ug hormones in vials with fake labels on them (and premium prices applied), most people conclude that through trial and error, once they have found a ug lab they can "Trust" (trust being in quotes simply because as we all know, no-one in this world can ever be truted completely), they stick with that lab as long as they are getting the results they desire.

As far as hg vs. ug.....well, really the question should be pharm gear vs. ug, because there is, as far as I know, very little, if any, difference in the formulation of these drugs when made for animal or human use - they are all simply different variations on the same theme.......testosterone, right? Anyway, it is very difficult to know the right answer to these questions, because in most cases, the people answering your questions have their own agenda they are following, at least, on these forums anyway.....bottom line though, I would take quality ug gear over quality pharmaceutical gear, even if I knew for certain that said pharm gear was made in a govt. lab.......why? Because all things being equal, as long as I can be reasonably sure of the potency and purity, the ug gear is going to cost me a hell of a lot less, and the results will be no different.

[HoliTheCat]

"Trust" (trust being in quotes simply because as we all know, no-one in this world can ever be truted completely),



That is a sad statement. You need new friends.

Carl whats up brother? Long time! Whats crackin' homeslice?

[shithead]

what about the quality of the powders? if the toothpaste coming from China in contaminated then why wouldnt some batches of powders be?

All in all I've had good experiences with UGs though.

What I am saying is that without a GC/MS test there is no actual way to tell what the impurities are. Take the difference in colors from batch to batch, esp with tren, for example. Even a small amount of impurity can change the color.
My question is......what are these small impurities?

Not like these are HPLC or anything.

[applesauce]

The question itself is incorrect - what I mean is, whether hg or ug is better.....this is a debate that has been on-going since ug labs started importing hormones from China and producing anabolic steroids waaaay back in the.......what, 90's? lol. The thing is, testosterone is testosterone, whether you put it in a vial yourself, or whether a govt. lab does......the only pertinent questions really, are whether potency and purity can be trusted....given the fact that so much of the supposedly "Pharm" gear out there is simply ug hormones in vials with fake labels on them (and premium prices applied), most people conclude that through trial and error, once they have found a ug lab they can "Trust" (trust being in quotes simply because as we all know, no-one in this world can ever be truted completely), they stick with that lab as long as they are getting the results they desire.

As far as hg vs. ug.....well, really the question should be pharm gear vs. ug, because there is, as far as I know, very little, if any, difference in the formulation of these drugs when made for animal or human use - they are all simply different variations on the same theme.......testosterone, right? Anyway, it is very difficult to know the right answer to these questions, because in most cases, the people answering your questions have their own agenda they are following, at least, on these forums anyway.....bottom line though, I would take quality ug gear over quality pharmaceutical gear, even if I knew for certain that said pharm gear was made in a govt. lab.......why? Because all things being equal, as long as I can be reasonably sure of the potency and purity, the ug gear is going to cost me a hell of a lot less, and the results will be no different.

hello carlc

i dont have much to contribute to this thread but i would like to say that if that is you in your avatar im pretty impressed

damn bro, keep up the good work

what shows do you compete at? have you done nationals? pm me if you dont want to talk about this openly

thanks man

[Mr Ontario]

I think you hit the hammer on the nail! :)


what about the quality of the powders? if the toothpaste coming from China in contaminated then why wouldnt some batches of powders be?

All in all I've had good experiences with UGs though.

What I am saying is that without a GC/MS test there is no actual way to tell what the impurities are. Take the difference in colors from batch to batch, esp with tren, for example. Even a small amount of impurity can change the color.
My question is......what are these small impurities?

Not like these are HPLC or anything.

[Mr Ontario]

Ya...maybe P.M each other or start a new thread....this one is clogged up enough. lol )


hello carlc

i dont have much to contribute to this thread but i would like to say that if that is you in your avatar im pretty impressed

damn bro, keep up the good work

what shows do you compete at? have you done nationals? pm me if you dont want to talk about this openly

thanks man

[RJ*]

what about the quality of the powders? if the toothpaste coming from China in contaminated then why wouldnt some batches of powders be?

All in all I've had good experiences with UGs though.

What I am saying is that without a GC/MS test there is no actual way to tell what the impurities are. Take the difference in colors from batch to batch, esp with tren, for example. Even a small amount of impurity can change the color.
My question is......what are these small impurities?

Not like these are HPLC or anything.

good points
i will say 99 % of the time, impurities are simply intermediaries in the production of the chemical. simple lipids that have negligible effect on anyone. this is ESPECIALLY the case with tren bolone, or any other compound known to change colour from batch to batch. cyp is also included, and boldenone as well

also, these hormones are produced in pharmaceutical laboratories, and they know what its for.id imagine they would keep there hormones up to snuff, ie theyd take more care producing this, as opposed to something like you mentioned toothpaste.

[Mr Ontario]

No bro..they are greedy country and will cut corners at all cost. The country that will kill cats and dogs in horrible ways to save costs...and because they are sick ****s!! So what they can make hats.


good points
i will say 99 % of the time, impurities are simply intermediaries in the production of the chemical. simple lipids that have negligible effect on anyone. this is ESPECIALLY the case with tren bolone, or any other compound known to change colour from batch to batch. cyp is also included, and boldenone as well

also, these hormones are produced in pharmaceutical laboratories, and they know what its for.id imagine they would keep there hormones up to snuff, ie theyd take more care producing this, as opposed to something like you mentioned toothpaste.

[Mr Ontario]

I didn't say they were facking cheap...I said they were greedy.....big difference! ****ers put led in our kids toys...



I do'nt think china is cheap, everyone is in debt to them, lol. Regardless whereever these labs are getting powders from, im sure that factory is not producing them for the the ug's, but for legit real pharma companies...and because of that, they must meet standards. I've seen lab tests of raws, and they are generally very pure, excep sometimes eq for some reason, usually comes out at 96-97%.

Iw ouldnt be worried with raws, the big ting is knowing th chemist of the ug and trust me folks, most of the "chemists" running ug's are bouncers or mall security guards cooking it up in the kitchen, literally.

I promise you 99% of ug's dont have access to a lab.

[shithead]

good points
i will say 99 % of the time, impurities are simply intermediaries in the production of the chemical. simple lipids that have negligible effect on anyone. this is ESPECIALLY the case with tren bolone, or any other compound known to change colour from batch to batch. cyp is also included, and boldenone as well

also, these hormones are produced in pharmaceutical laboratories, and they know what its for.id imagine they would keep there hormones up to snuff, ie theyd take more care producing this, as opposed to something like you mentioned toothpaste.

The Chinese will make money any way they can. They make/sell replicas of EVERYTHING for fuks sakes. We have to remember these vendors are dealing in illegal trade so there would no govt surveillance.

Like that would even matter.



I do'nt think china is cheap, everyone is in debt to them, lol. Regardless whereever these labs are getting powders from, im sure that factory is not producing them for the the ug's, but for legit real pharma companies...and because of that, they must meet standards. I've seen lab tests of raws, and they are generally very pure, excep sometimes eq for some reason, usually comes out at 96-97%.

Iw ouldnt be worried with raws, the big ting is knowing th chemist of the ug and trust me folks, most of the "chemists" running ug's are bouncers or mall security guards cooking it up in the kitchen, literally.

I promise you 99% of ug's dont have access to a lab.

I would hope to think some labs at least try to keep clean rooms. Goddamn some grow rooms are clean rooms. Sealing all outside air and disinfecting the room daily.

PPl running labs have a far greater responsibility than Mr Greenthumb running a diligent mom and pop operation.






I didn't say they were facking cheap...I said they were greedy.....big difference! ****ers put led in our kids toys...

Ya man. That is low! Children are at a developmental stage and adding a known neurotoxin is just plain wrong. Esp. when oodles of studies have been done on the hazards of lead in normal person let alone a developing infant.

Funny that the head of drug regulation is executed after the toothpaste/generic scandal and afterwards it is found out chinese toys have high lead content. This would make me believe things in China are deeper than we percieve.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

China is evil. They will try to take over the world one day.

[Mr Ontario]

Well if you had seen the videos by Peta...where they were skinning the rackoons
alive ...made want to throw up.

[champcar99]

I am not one to bash races, but of all the races if have delt with or been around, I would have to say that the Chinese people are the worst then the East Indians when it comes to screwing people over...Out here on the west coast we have a boom in east indian home builders ,all I can say is I would not buy a house that was built by a east Indian, and don't expect your realtor (another form of scum as far as I am concerned)to tell you that it was a east indian built home...I know many trades people that will not work for for east indians, they **** you over on your money all the time...

[fathead]

I am not one to bash races, but of all the races if have delt with or been around, I would have to say that the Chinese people are the worst then the East Indians when it comes to screwing people over...Out here on the west coast we have a boom in east indian home builders ,all I can say is I would not buy a house that was built by a east Indian, and don't expect your realtor (another form of scum as far as I am concerned)to tell you that it was a east indian built home...I know many trades people that will not work for for east indians, they **** you over on your money all the time...

yes, you are one to bash races.

[Mr Ontario]

So let him vet then!

I guess the movie industry is going to shit. You get DVD's for $2.00 down in china town (ie in Toronto) Even before they come out at the show. Poor as quality though.


yes, you are one to bash races.

[shithead]

Fuk your ugly fathead! jebus chryst not only is your head fat, but those broken capillaries in your face are a tell tale sign of alcoholism

[fathead]

Fuk your ugly fathead! jebus chryst not only is your head fat, but those broken capillaries in your face are a tell tale sign of alcoholism

my body looks amazing...

[shithead]

I see, thats just edema and hypertension.

[champcar99]

my body looks amazing...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[champcar99]

yes, you are one to bash races.

Dude I don't know about that, I just call it as I SEE it...

[savage]

used both.....human grade is higher quality due to stringent regulations. Never had the same gains as with human gear. That being said, some of the older UG labs were exceptional. Some newer UG labs are doing pretty well, and well "the proof is in the pudding"...if you use it and it works great be happy. I have extensive use of UG labs and their quality always varies...some are better than others, and Human grade is the best. Note, one thing that UG offers is great blends and dose strengths which are not available with Human Grade...if they were then you would really see some varying opinions. IMHO.

[tripleA]

I've used both and liked both, and had some sick results with some older labs that are no longer in production. The only problem I had with HG gear was the Russian/Indian sus. Worked well but gave me pizza back after a few weeks of use. Wonder why it didn't work as a chick magnet. I would probably use HG if I knew it was real but there are too many counterfeits. UG are great for exotics too. There is no HG eq. Don't think UpJohn makes tren yet. My only problem with UG is the labs are only as good their supplier. Var expensive, Winnie cheap, so suppliers can ship V instead or mix it. Don't think the UG labs tests all their batches.