Im being eaten alive... PCT help!!!

[CanadianIron]

Im 4 days into my PCT right now, I woke up 7 days exactly from my last injection of test ena with the worst sore throat I've ever had. Usually these fade off during the day and in the past a sore throat has been gone within a day or so. Well now its day 4 and I can barely drink water. My entire head has become a bacteria infested piece of shit. Canker sores, nasal infection, started to get signs of ear infections...

Anyways, it appears my immune system is still on vacation, im gonna head to the clinic and see about getting some antibiotics, wtf... anything else you guys would recommend. I feel like a dirt bag piece of shit and i'll probably lose all my gains within the week, WTF!!!!

:mad:

[GYMBRAT]

Shit bro sorry to hear this!!!!

what was your PCT protocol again CI?

[CanadianIron]

Nolva 40,20,20,10

No problems with antibiotics?

[GYMBRAT]

for me, I'd feel like shit nearly every time in PCT without HCG on hand, it took me through with next to no issues every time.

[gicantor]

Nolva 40,20,20,10

No problems with antibiotics?

What was your cycle? That's a weak PCT.

[icey_boi]

Buckleys bro!

Cures just about any kind of sickness i have like that.

The shit realy works man.

[L3]

i've read on the forums antibiotics can be catabolic... dont have any personal experience with it but it would make sense to try and avoid them on pct

[CanadianIron]

Doctor didnt prescribe any antibiotics, hes testing a swab for strep, but for any other throat related problem you're looking at a virus and antibiotics do nothing, he told me to "stack" ibuprofen and extra strength tylenol, with benzydamine mouth rinse, my entire mouth is numb right now, yet my throat still kills...

I wish I could be on AAS all the time... I didnt get as much as a sniffle my entire 16 week cycle, the day I start going back to normal, sick.

[519Muscle]

Doctor didnt prescribe any antibiotics, hes testing a swab for strep, but for any other throat related problem you're looking at a virus and antibiotics do nothing, he told me to "stack" ibuprofen and extra strength tylenol, with benzydamine mouth rinse, my entire mouth is numb right now, yet my throat still kills...

I wish I could be on AAS all the time... I didnt get as much as a sniffle my entire 16 week cycle, the day I start going back to normal, sick.

I don`t think that ethan has anything to do with ur sore throat...plus ethan is goin to stay in ur system 3-4 weeks after ur last inj. As for ur pct its prob to late for hcg but try to add some clomid, keep hcg in mind for next time...

[Big D]

didnt read the other post,,

but sounds like strep throat, same symptoms as myself when I had it

[bongd]

Make sure the doc follows up or just go to a drop in. I had hellacious ulcers in May and they came back shortly after getting ****ing H1N1 a couple months ago. Doctor never called back. Had to go in and get antibiotics from someone else who stressed just how ****ed up my ulcers really were.

Thank goodness I never had to have any operations. I was very lucky. Go back or make sure to phone in. I've had ****ers take swabs, blood work, tons of shit and never phone me back. Get on their ass like an SOB.

[nii]

Make sure the doc follows up or just go to a drop in. I had hellacious ulcers in May and they came back shortly after getting ****ing H1N1 a couple months ago. Doctor never called back. Had to go in and get antibiotics from someone else who stressed just how ****ed up my ulcers really were.

Thank goodness I never had to have any operations. I was very lucky. Go back or make sure to phone in. I've had ****ers take swabs, blood work, tons of shit and never phone me back. Get on their ass like an SOB.

The main reason they dont phone back is because the results are normal. This is pretty typical, they'll only call if something came back out of whack. Its not that they forgot about you, but just have better things to do then sit at a desk and spend 30 min out of their day just calling pp back and telling them everything came back a ok. Now if you want to take a look at ur results yourself, then yes you have to hound them for copies lol.

[GYMBRAT]

makes more sense than HCG actually lol, shoulda read your post twice I spose, sorry bro, but yeah it does sound like strep throat....

...not too l8 for you to still hit the HCG for your PCT purposes bro.

[bongd]

The main reason they dont phone back is because the results are normal. This is pretty typical, they'll only call if something came back out of whack. Its not that they forgot about you, but just have better things to do then sit at a desk and spend 30 min out of their day just calling pp back and telling them everything came back a ok. Now if you want to take a look at ur results yourself, then yes you have to hound them for copies lol.

Normally, yes.. but not always, like in my case. Nor my grandmother's case who was misdiagnosed and later found out that she had hemochromatosis, AFTER her heart attack...

I'm not downplaying doctors' intelligence, but sometimes they get overwhelmed or look over things. If you have a legitimate health concern, always take it upon yourself to follow up. It may be a slight annoyance at first but it shows the doctor that you're paying attention to your health.

[tony_canuck]

on top of any meds the docs give you i'd up my intake of vitamins (and veggies if you can eat) - look online for herbs and supps to increase immune strength. that can only help you regardless of the meds being taken

[CanadianIron]

Its like day 5 of the wicked sore throat now, I downed half a dozen Advils>Tylenols last night so I could sleep, then another half dozen at 4am so I could go back to sleep. I hoped to wake up after a decent sleep with some signs of improvement and nothing.

I honestly feel pretty good, I just have a wicked sore throat, cant swallow worth shit, makes eating anything feel like swallowing razor blades, its the worst. I suspected strep throat but Im getting a bunch of cankor sores now, which would indicate viral infection. Such a bitch.

As for PCT, so far so good. Nolva alone has worked very well for me on past cycles and generally my gains dont start to diminish til a couple weeks AFTER pct... I've been pretty good so far with keeping gains. If I go with some stronger compounds on my next cycle I may add Hcg.

[natenator]

that's a joke PCT.

[daande]

that's a joke PCT.

Instead of bitching all the time why don't you offer him some advice?

[RagingRandy]

^^^^That is simple. It is easier to be destructive than constructive.

[daande]

^^^^That is simple. It is easier to be destructive than constructive.

I honestly believe nat has overdosed on tren and will never be the same again.

[CanadianIron]

that's a joke PCT.

You have got to be one of the most useless members on this board... other than the odd chuckle here and there, your posts are totally useless.

I'd like to see what you would concider a better PCT and why, a tapered 4 week dose of Nolva is a pretty standard PCT from what I understand.

Other than Dbol for 4 weeks, it was a pretty mild test only cycle, which from my experience doesnt call for an elaborate PCT.

[cog]

Talk to Prae.

[MMASTAR]

4500mg vit c and 3000mg echinecea daily will cure anything.

[daande]

You have got to be one of the most useless members on this board... other than the odd chuckle here and there, your posts are totally useless.

I'd like to see what you would concider a better PCT and why, a tapered 4 week dose of Nolva is a pretty standard PCT from what I understand.

Other than Dbol for 4 weeks, it was a pretty mild test only cycle, which from my experience doesnt call for an elaborate PCT.

All nate does is constantly bitch about me posting and trying to be helpful towards other members, whereas, all he does is offer stupid comments like a girl.

[daande]

As for your condition maybe grab some B12 for energy. Up your intake of vitamins as others have said. I don't know about throwing in hcg at this point as it won't help you out with your immune system I dont think. Rest, eat as healthy as possible, Up your intake of water also.

[natenator]

Instead of bitching all the time why don't you offer him some advice?
there is COUNTLESS advice on PCT protocol on this forum. A simple search on what is an EFFECTIVE PCT protocol would yield some good threads. If people don't wish to educate themselves on what is correct then why should I?

People are just lazy...

But, I see your point and you're right there.

[natenator]

Talk to Prae.
Bingo or do a search to find the info he has posted numerous times...

[waderow]

there are forums everywhere that recommend nolva only PCT. This is because it works.


is there better? yes
would I run? no, i take harsh shit at longer doses
does it work? yes, of course it does

[natenator]

there are forums everywhere that recommend nolva only PCT. This is because it works.


is there better? yes
would I run? no, i take harsh shit at longer doses
does it work? yes, of course it does
I'm not sure using "forums everywhere that recommend nolva only PCT" is a valid argument in support of the debate.

I personally don't think nolva only is an effective OR smart PCT approach. Back a few years ago maybe as HCG was still relatively new to most people and there wasn't a lot of knowledge around it to support it as PCT protocol but now we know differently.

We should always be using best practices based on what we know now and is readily available but perhaps I'm just different.

[daande]

I'm not sure using "forums everywhere that recommend nolva only PCT" is a valid argument in support of the debate.

I personally don't think nolva only is an effective OR smart PCT approach. Back a few years ago maybe as HCG was still relatively new to most people and there wasn't a lot of knowledge around it to support it as PCT protocol but now we know differently.

We should always be using best practices based on what we know now and is readily available but perhaps I'm just different.

I agree that hcg should be used in almost every pct protocol. Maybe if you did some 4 week dbol only cycle (which you shouldn't be running in the first place) then I would use nolva only for pct.

[CanadianIron]

A quick search will net tons of threads with people arguing about how Nolva works great for them and Clomid made them want to kill themselves and vise versa. From everything I've read, you dont need to run hcg on test only cycles nor during the PCT.

I can see why the board wouldnt do this, but over on bb.com when they had an AAS section, they had a cycle forum with threads outlining what a basic, intermediate and advanced cycle would or could look like. You could reference back to it at anytime and if general consensus would change towards how a cycle or PCT was run, it would get changed in these threads. Without a real clear cut thread where everyone can agree on what everyones PCT should look like, its pointless to argue, your opinion counts as much as the next guys and Im just going to do what I know works for me. I personally have always felt totally normal throughout PCT on Nolva and I cant remember feeling any kind of a low. Obviously outlining cycles like this could be a liability, but its extremely valueble to members if its there. Judging by the level of knowledge on this site, we could easily throw together some protocol threads outlining really basic, solid cycles and we could avoid all the missinformation and annoying "first cycle" threads.

Regardless, the thread was more to see if antibiotics or any other meds could help boost the immune system during PCT.

[ironwill]

A quick search will net tons of threads with people arguing about how Nolva works great for them and Clomid made them want to kill themselves and vise versa. From everything I've read, you dont need to run hcg on test only cycles nor during the PCT.

I can see why the board wouldnt do this, but over on bb.com when they had an AAS section, they had a cycle forum with threads outlining what a basic, intermediate and advanced cycle would or could look like. You could reference back to it at anytime and if general consensus would change towards how a cycle or PCT was run, it would get changed in these threads. Without a real clear cut thread where everyone can agree on what everyones PCT should look like, its pointless to argue, your opinion counts as much as the next guys and Im just going to do what I know works for me. I personally have always felt totally normal throughout PCT on Nolva and I cant remember feeling any kind of a low. Obviously outlining cycles like this could be a liability, but its extremely valueble to members if its there. Judging by the level of knowledge on this site, we could easily throw together some protocol threads outlining really basic, solid cycles and we could avoid all the missinformation and annoying "first cycle" threads.

Regardless, the thread was more to see if antibiotics or any other meds could help boost the immune system during PCT.

Antibiotics are no good, they bugger up your nitrogen balance, and reallllly bugger up your good bacteria in the gut.....It takes a very long time to get that back in order as well....Be very careful with antibiotics, it sometimes starts off a chain of bad sides that keep getting worse with the addition of another pharmaceutical product to fix the earlier one....

[GYMBRAT]

I stay away from most all antibiotics period. I do it the ol' fashioned way by drinking tons of fluids, rest etc...

[warlock]

10.000 iu of vit D
5 drops of oil of oregano under your tonge every hour

In 2 days you will be new

[cog]

A quick search will net tons of threads with people arguing about how Nolva works great for them and Clomid made them want to kill themselves and vise versa. From everything I've read, you dont need to run hcg on test only cycles nor during the PCT.

I can see why the board wouldnt do this, but over on bb.com when they had an AAS section, they had a cycle forum with threads outlining what a basic, intermediate and advanced cycle would or could look like. You could reference back to it at anytime and if general consensus would change towards how a cycle or PCT was run, it would get changed in these threads. Without a real clear cut thread where everyone can agree on what everyones PCT should look like, its pointless to argue, your opinion counts as much as the next guys and Im just going to do what I know works for me. I personally have always felt totally normal throughout PCT on Nolva and I cant remember feeling any kind of a low. Obviously outlining cycles like this could be a liability, but its extremely valueble to members if its there. Judging by the level of knowledge on this site, we could easily throw together some protocol threads outlining really basic, solid cycles and we could avoid all the missinformation and annoying "first cycle" threads.

Regardless, the thread was more to see if antibiotics or any other meds could help boost the immune system during PCT.

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[jmaker]

I've had strep too many times to be proud of. One suggestion to help in the short term is chewing on crushed ice. Help keep you hydrated and can sooth your throat.

[CanadianIron]

I stay away from most all antibiotics period. I do it the ol' fashioned way by drinking tons of fluids, rest etc...

This is the kind of info I'm looking for... I'm pretty sure its not bacteria anyways, so they wouldnt be effective, right now its just wait for this shit to clear up and watch reps fall off my 3 plate bench :help

I tried to hit the gym today, and I was WEAK, damn.

[Kilburn]

be careful bro. i had the same sort of shit when i was trying humalog. ear, eye, stomach, leg... i was getting MRSA all over the place.

and my slin dose wasnt very high either. u dont know how badly these drugs can fuk you up. just be careful.

[CanadianIron]

I'm all better now, lost like 3-4lbs though...

I tried a ton of shit, nothing helped. Just had to wait it out.