So if I were to get real gear vs PH

[a_ahmed]

I know there's alot of you on here against PH... but hdrol, mdrol, tren, bold, furuza, 11oxo etc... have been proven compounds... yes they are toxic on the liver but so is anadrol, dbol, etc...

Basically I did a 100mg hdrol cycle with formestane stacked and had no sides, felt frickin fantastic, gains were good and dry.

My goal is lots of dry lean gains... i dont like the bulky wet gains look :D Leaner, shreded = win.

I'm on anabolic diet (so ckd).

I was planning to do a 6wk cycle of 100mg hdrol, 300mg furuza and formestane stacked.

I could get real gear (lol just the other day i couldnt, funny how in one day that can change when you really want it)... so i was wondering what i could get for similar results.

I've never done real gear... but at the end of the day its the same shit steroids are steroids are steroids...

So what would be something equivalent to 6wks of 100mg hdrol, 300mg furuza, formestane stacked.

I'm interested in keeping my gains duh and i want dry lean gains and losing bf%.

Thanks :)

I'm a newb to real gear... and I know alot of you on here use the real gear (obvious by bad ass pix).

[daande]

So what would be something equivalent to 6wks of 100mg hdrol, 300mg furuza, formestane stacked.

I'm interested in keeping my gains duh and i want dry lean gains and losing bf%.


You sound like you are young ie. 15 or so. Anyways, I dont think there could be something equivalent to some prohormone stack. Instead of trying to find a cycle that is similar to that why don't you look into beginner cycles?

[nii]

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14509

[Delt King]

What you'll want to keep in mind is that when dieting to lose bodyfat especially on CKD you will not be able to gain any new muscle. When dieting down your goal is to keep whatever muscle you've already built.
Now if your goal were to put on lean mass then you'll need to change your diet. If you're lucky and really keep your diet in check following a specific meal plan you might be able to gain a one to one ratio of muscle to bodyfat which in effect will keep your bodyfat level the same as it is now. Only you'll have more LBM.

I guess you need to decide if you're happy with your current lean body mass and want to just rip it up and get a decent beach body.

I don't know your age or anything about your training history so it'd be irresponsible to give advice on AAS usage.

[Ritch]

what kind of formestane are you using? How much do you run? The CEL stuff, or the IBE`s formex... Have you used it solo?

[a_ahmed]

I'm 25 and ive been lifting for 3 years to lose 125lbs from becoming obese at 290lbs. Previously fit athletic/martialarts/sports... ****ed up after marriage. I am 175 now. Ive done one ph cycle as mentioned but i screwed it up due to an unexpected injury and poor PCT/stress... lost all the gains (from 182lbs became 195lbs and about 14%ish bf... was nice...). I went down to like 180 ish... After that I just decided to cut and I went down to 165 13% bf if not less... hard to tell due to stretched skin from being obese except if im working out or flexing.

CEL formestane.

I liked the results i got on hdrol and was hoping to do it again but longer/higher dose as i had no sides... but with furuza stacked and all that crap i figured real gear would be probably cheaper but im not sure what would really be comparable. I've been told anavar but its still pricey so same ordeal then.

having been super ****en obese i have plenty fat cells that i dun want to grow again. Even lightly eating carbs i blow up. Going on keto/anabolic diet has been awesome, my strength went up and ive lost fat... and it keeps going up which is as nice as being on the hdrol cycle (obviously not but good feelings).

I become all ****ed up when eating carbs even in small amounts, i eat less than 50g a day and feel great. I'm not paying for liposuction to take the fat cells out just to bulk and get big from overeating and lifting heavy... not gona work in my case. Just **** up my results. I struggled to get down to 13%ish bf and 165lbs I was nice and lean and in a month just now i put on 10lbs from work stress and lack of sleep. **** that.

I don't care about being 200lbs+. Been there done that. I want to get to 195lbs tops with 7%bf as personal goal. Diet is key... and so is lifting heavy and hard work...

I liked hdrol... i just figured I could do something different as i found a source thats eaiser to get real gear than ph importing now..

Ive lifted in college n high school but not how i have in the last 3 years. I mostly cared about martial arts and i stuck around 180-190 always. Never bellow never above. Only above if not training/lazy/overeating. After marriage is when I just somehow exploded. I came back 262lbs from the honey moon.. plenty muscle under there but plenty fat too... after that i just gave up on myself. So yeah there's a back end story to it.

I work my ****en ass of.

[daande]

If you are set on doing AAS why not run:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test Enanthate EW

[a_ahmed]

What's the PCT/recovery/SERM procedure for something like that?

I've seen people stack that with PH/oral gear/other stuff... or bridge it to an oral gear/ph/other roid.

Not sure on how real gear works in contrast to PH which are usually 3 to 6 wk max and then SERM as nolva and/or clomid :-/

I can get Testa 250 and 100, 75, not 500

[daande]

What's the PCT/recovery/SERM procedure for something like that?

I've seen people stack that with PH/oral gear/other stuff... or bridge it to an oral gear/ph/other roid.

Not sure on how real gear works in contrast to PH which are usually 3 to 6 wk max and then SERM as nolva and/or clomid :-/

I can get Testa 250 and 100, 75, not 500

I think you need to research more. Anyways you would take the 250 2 times a week. As for PCT you could run something like nolvadex 40,30,20,20. I would use abit of HCG with it but some would argue as it would be your first cycle it would not be necessary. However, in my opinion it is worth the extra money. I would hold off on juice and do some research for abit and make sure its the right path for you.

[a_ahmed]

Thanks, yeah i dont know too much about real gear... just the PH stuff...

I thought as much about HCG... i can get HCG as well... this would be first time im pinning and i have needle phobia... wife's a nurse but i still have needle phobia lmao... hmm...

the test e 500 you suggested is just a higher dose right?

In either case I'd want to run it monday one pinnning thursday second pinning per week right? Or would 500 dosing be a bit dif... in either case i can only get 250...

My concern is with real gear like this like test injection... how is recovery, recovery time, etc... ive had a phobia on the subject due to some ppl being supposedly stuck for life on TRT from improper procedures or what have you.... thats a second reason i stayed away from real gear... i guess just my ignorance on the subject maybe?

[Delt King]

It's dosed at 250mg per ml so 1ml on mon am then 1 ml on thur pm exactly 3.5days apart in order to achieve a stable blood level. You could essentially do half that and achieve good results because since you're dieting the Test will only be used as an anticatabolic agent in order to maintain muscle. Most guys will then use clen in addition to this to get the desired fat loss.

[Praetorian]

PH's are very harsh on the body mainly the liver and will not produce any results near what aas do. Why take something that is an aas precursor and put yourself under considerable risk with very little benefit....doesnt seem all that smart. I would recommend not only to you but to anyone out there to stay as far away from PH's as possible. Either stay natural or if you are going to go the aas route start doing some serious research...at this point you are no where near ready.
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[rob66679]

PH's are very harsh on the body mainly the liver and will not produce any results near what aas do. Why take something that is an aas precursor and put yourself under considerable risk with very little benefit....doesnt seem all that smart. I would recommend not only to you but to anyone out there to stay as far away from PH's as possible. Either stay natural or if you are going to go the aas route start doing some serious research...at this point you are no where near ready.
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^^^^^
A very wise man.
PH's = all of the bad sides and none of the gains.
WTF everybody automatically assumes needle = bad and pill = good, and does no research.

[Solo59]

what kind of formestane are you using? How much do you run? The CEL stuff, or the IBE`s formex... Have you used it, solo?

Nope.

Solo;)

[Ritch]

^^^ LOL!