Patrice Cormier

[treebuilder]

The Quebec Major Junior Hockey League today announced that disciplinary measures will be unveiled on Monday in regards to the incident involving Patrice Cormier of the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies and Mikael Tam of the Quebec Remparts.

The Quebec Major Junior Hockey League Disciplinary Prefect, Raymond Bolduc, has been collecting testimony from witnesses involved in the incident since Monday, including those of the on-ice officials, the players and members of both organizations. Over the week-end, the Disciplinary Prefect will analyse the facts with the help of the Disciplinary Sanctions Committee. The decision will be rendered on Monday.

What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAoFY0owFXc

[kawikaratekid]

I think this kid should be out for the rest of the year. He needs to realize how reckless he was and what it can cost him in the future is this occurs again.

[Mr.Freeze]

its kind of sad to see the shit that went down this week in quebec hockey league


http://www.rds.ca/video/visionneuse.html?video=36938

[kawikaratekid]

Wow what was that linesman thinking? Is their an english version?

[#8]

this kid is the reason i stopped enjoying hockey so much at that exact age. i was MUCH smaller with a high skill level, and its ****heads like this that make you not even want to play because they have no respect for anyones safety.

keep fighting in hockey, but get rid of assholes like this and dont sign him to an NHL contract. that would send an appropriate message i think.

[treebuilder]

He has paid for it. He has been fired and banned for ??? years. He is 42. The player is 15. The league agrees that the player started it and the police will not press charges because he acted in self-defense

[guest]

what kind of thought goes through your head to do something like that to an unsuspecting person? knowing that he could hit the ice with his face, as he did?
there are cameras everywhere, debate over violence in hockey is ongoing and you have a prospectively bright future.....****ing brilliant. i hope he gets what he inadvertently asked for.

[LonelyBedouin]

keep fighting in hockey, but get rid of assholes like this and dont sign him to an NHL contract. that would send an appropriate message i think.

Too late already signed with Devils. And Lou Lamoriello wants Cormier to continue to play like that, thats why he drafted him.

[natenator]

I say police should be involved for incidents like this. If they can in situations like Bertuzzi and McSorely then why not him?

He needs to realize the consequences of his actions and since he's already signed by the devils maybe some criminal pursuit will do it.

Play of this nature should be discouraged at all costs regardless of what it takes.

[LonelyBedouin]

Suspended for the rest of the season and playoffs.

As for the police. I dont think they should be involved in any of the hockey leagues. Only because its hockey, it is a physical game. The Bertuzzi is a different story.

Yes this type of play should be discouraged, and lengthy suspensions I think will do it. Even if its more than a full season, Id be fine with that.

[natenator]

Suspended for the rest of the season and playoffs.

As for the police. I dont think they should be involved in any of the hockey leagues. Only because its hockey, it is a physical game. The Bertuzzi is a different story.

Yes this type of play should be discouraged, and lengthy suspensions I think will do it. Even if its more than a full season, Id be fine with that.
I disagree. Police should be involved in criminal acts. If this was your work place the police would be involved. This is no different. Yes there is an acceptable level of violence in hockey but this was unacceptable and caused some serious bodily injury.

These people need to learn their actions have consequences. Bertuzzi was not different. It was similar and premeditated. What made Bertuzzi different was Moore broke his neck which happened when everyone jumped on Bertuzzi.

[LonelyBedouin]

I disagree. Police should be involved in criminal acts. If this was your work place the police would be involved. This is no different. Yes there is an acceptable level of violence in hockey but this was unacceptable and caused some serious bodily injury.

These people need to learn their actions have consequences. Bertuzzi was not different. It was similar and premeditated. What made Bertuzzi different was Moore broke his neck which happened when everyone jumped on Bertuzzi.

But when I walk into my work, I dont expect to be checked into the wall by another employee. However if I was a NHL player, Id walk into work thinking the worst possible. Its a violent workplace.

Gah its hard to type what I want to say lol

Ok So since its part of the sport. What about players who DIE after heat exhaustion during practices (ie Korey Stringer). He died after heat exhaustion after a practice, should the coach be held responsible for his death, since it is the coach making these players practice even in such extremes?

That point is kinda out there but what Im trying to get at is these guys know what there getting into when they start playing. Your not playing touch football or pond hockey.

I agree headshots should be taken outta the game, and players like Cormier should be heavily disciplined. But if you take out headshot hits, the other 50,000 (from what Bettman said) hits during the season might be affected, Its a physical sport and you dont want to have negative consequences on the game itself.

[waderow]

what he needs is another goon to smash his face in for the amusement of the fans, and for justice in the game.

criminal charges do not belong in the ice.... unless of course he brings a gun or knife on

there is expectations of contact, and there is penalties for cheap shots....

the problem is the bleeding hearts (some have posted in this thread) who try to take the contact out of hockey (edit) have left the sport to goal scorers, and cheap shots.

years ago, there was none of this bullshit, becasue the consequences for such an action would be getting your face smashed in

[LonelyBedouin]

what he needs is another goon to smash his face in for the amusement of the fans, and for justice in the game.

criminal charges do not belong in the ice.... unless of course he brings a gun or knife on

there is expectations of contact, and there is penalties for cheap shots....

the problem is the bleeding hearts (some have posted in this thread) who try to take the contact out of fighting have left the sport to goal scorers, and cheap shots.

years ago, there was none of this bullshit, becasue the consequences for such an action would be getting your face smashed in

I wouldnt say none of this would have happened in the old NHL as Stevens and Pronger have both delivered plenty of cheap shots. And Stevens plenty of head shots.

[waderow]

I wouldnt say none of this would have happened in the old NHL as Stevens and Pronger have both delivered plenty of cheap shots. And Stevens plenty of head shots.

80's

[natenator]

what he needs is another goon to smash his face in for the amusement of the fans, and for justice in the game.

criminal charges do not belong in the ice.... unless of course he brings a gun or knife on

there is expectations of contact, and there is penalties for cheap shots....

the problem is the bleeding hearts (some have posted in this thread) who try to take the contact out of fighting have left the sport to goal scorers, and cheap shots.

years ago, there was none of this bullshit, becasue the consequences for such an action would be getting your face smashed in
I am certainly not a bleeding heart. I've played the game at a high level - have you?

People who say this stuff (including fighting) is part of the game are idiots. Playing aggressive, body checking and BRUTAL VIOLENCE is not part of the game. High sticks and hits from behind are also part of the game too...

Just because it has been part of the game does not make it right. This game would be so much better if truly skilled players were allowed to play the game. Again I reitterate the difference between playing hard contact wise and outright violence.

[waderow]

I am certainly not a bleeding heart. I've played the game at a high level - have you?

People who say this stuff (including fighting) is part of the game are idiots. Playing aggressive, body checking and BRUTAL VIOLENCE is not part of the game. High sticks and hits from behind are also part of the game too...

Just because it has been part of the game does not make it right. This game would be so much better if truly skilled players were allowed to play the game. Again I reitterate the difference between playing hard contact wise and outright violence.

so do you agree or disagree with what I said about the sport going to pussies is bringing out the cheap shots compared to the old days before the pussy bleeding hearts changed hockey

[Shaun]

But when I walk into my work, I dont expect to be checked into the wall by another employee. However if I was a NHL player, Id walk into work thinking the worst possible. Its a violent workplace.

Gah its hard to type what I want to say lol

Ok So since its part of the sport. What about players who DIE after heat exhaustion during practices (ie Korey Stringer). He died after heat exhaustion after a practice, should the coach be held responsible for his death, since it is the coach making these players practice even in such extremes?

That point is kinda out there but what Im trying to get at is these guys know what there getting into when they start playing. Your not playing touch football or pond hockey.

I agree headshots should be taken outta the game, and players like Cormier should be heavily disciplined. But if you take out headshot hits, the other 50,000 (from what Bettman said) hits during the season might be affected, Its a physical sport and you dont want to have negative consequences on the game itself.

QFMFT!

Its a violent sport. Period. Wait until someone is seriously hurt in the MMA community. Where will all the bleeding heart pussies be then?

These guys know the risk. They step on the ice.

We should also:

limit every cars top speed to 110km/hr
restrict firearm amo to nerf bullets
replace the steel used for knives (kitchen and otherwise) with rubber
change tackle football to shout football (hhheeeeyyyy #12, your down!!)

In everything in live there are idiots. Remove the idiots and move on.

[waderow]

^^^ werd

you can sure identify the liberal pussies when things like this happen

good post and green 4 u

[natenator]

so do you agree or disagree with what I said about the sport going to pussies is bringing out the cheap shots compared to the old days before the pussy bleeding hearts changed hockey
Define pussy?

There have always been cheap shots in this sport and I don't think the reduction in fighting allows these faggots to flourish as much as lax consequences do. The CBA for player punishment is a joke. Bigger joke is the justice system with which the NHL has a hold of.

I would sooner see a game filled with super skilled players than cheap shot elbow/high stick/hit from behind artists. Big difference between arrgressive play and punk play and I really don't believe the reduction in fighting has caused this. Rarely does a guy get pumped hard enough to curb the dirty play anyway.

If fines and suspensions were severe enough I think a lot of this cheap shot shit would leave the game.

[waderow]

Define pussy?

There have always been cheap shots in this sport and I don't think the reduction in fighting allows these faggots to flourish as much as lax consequences do. The CBA for player punishment is a joke. Bigger joke is the justice system with which the NHL has a hold of.

I would sooner see a game filled with super skilled players than cheap shot elbow/high stick/hit from behind artists. Big difference between arrgressive play and punk play and I really don't believe the reduction in fighting has caused this. Rarely does a guy get pumped hard enough to curb the dirty play anyway.

If fines and suspensions were severe enough I think a lot of this cheap shot shit would leave the game.

and then you will be left with a pussy sport with no contact. As was stated earlier... perhaps the NFL should just go to flag football.... so the talented receivers who weigh 130 pounds can play. Maybe girls too?
Thats what I meant by pussy. Those who cannot stomach the hit, whether legal or not, and want to make more rules. We have enough rules. Let some big 250pound brock lesnar on skates go rearrange a face or two, and give them both 10 minutes, and then play on

[buildinthaskinnys]

QFMFT!

Its a violent sport. Period. Wait until someone is seriously hurt in the MMA community. Where will all the bleeding heart pussies be then?

These guys know the risk. They step on the ice.

We should also:

limit every cars top speed to 110km/hr
restrict firearm amo to nerf bullets
replace the steel used for knives (kitchen and otherwise) with rubber
change tackle football to shout football (hhheeeeyyyy #12, your down!!)

In everything in live there are idiots. Remove the idiots and move on.

People are getting seriously hurt all the time in mma, most of it is kept a close secret and not leaked to the media though, its not uncommon for fighters to be puking or pissing blood, and bed ridden for days after fights because of sustained injuries, but they have had so much flack from the media that the fighters have basically an unsung rule of keeping things mum, and toughing it out.

Anyways Cormier is a known asshole and is always intentionally trying to disable someone, elbow induced brain trauma is part of the game? Great people for kids to look up to. Theres no reason he shouldnt be sued for this, it all happened on canadian soil, and I dont see why hockey players should be exempt form criminal punishment.

[natenator]

and then you will be left with a pussy sport with no contact. As was stated earlier... perhaps the NFL should just go to flag football.... so the talented receivers who weigh 130 pounds can play. Maybe girls too?
Thats what I meant by pussy. Those who cannot stomach the hit, whether legal or not, and want to make more rules. We have enough rules. Let some big 250pound brock lesnar on skates go rearrange a face or two, and give them both 10 minutes, and then play on
how do you mean pussy sport? There are TONS of skilled players who play hard/physical in the NHL.

If you played the game it's obvious you were never a skilled player. Grunt checker or goon most likely. Just because someone has skill doesn't mean they can also play physical and we shouldn't need goons in the sport to protect players. The league should be able to protect its players through STIFF punishment.

[physique]

gotta go with nate here. the NHL;s suspensions for dirty play are a complete joke. 2 games here , 4 games there and a $1000 fine. plus if a superstar does the same dirty play, they get less then a checker/goon player.

if the NHL actually punished players with 10 games or more per dirty hit and a 100,000 fine or more, then it would eliminate dirty play from the game. yes it will still happen time to time, but the players will know a dirty play womnt result in 1 game and a 1000 fine, hell it may cost them a big chunk of their paycheck.

how come the HUGE suspensions come from the Q, WHL, and other minor leagues, but yet the NHL doesnt follow suit?

[waderow]

how do you mean pussy sport? There are TONS of skilled players who play hard/physical in the NHL.

If you played the game it's obvious you were never a skilled player. Grunt checker or goon most likely. Just because someone has skill doesn't mean they can also play physical and we shouldn't need goons in the sport to protect players. The league should be able to protect its players through STIFF punishment.

spoken like a guy who is scared to take a hit.

the game has been around long before you ever became a hockey superstar and played "top level" hockey, and for all that time the sport was a tough, hard hitting sport with tough men, and super star players. The superstar players were often protected by men such as dave semenko. Gretzky went on ice....so did dave, and no one ****ed with the great one.

Now, you have no goons like semenko because of pussies who cry at the sight of blood, and slowly over the years the sport has gotten cheap due to lack of consequence on ice. Remember. A $1000-10000 fine is ****ing childsplay to these guys.

The game hockey, protects its players through a fist to the face. That is why the penalty for fighting exists. no other sport allows fighting. its part of the game, and many people do not want to give in to the bleeing heart pussies to have the game changed.

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=buildinthaskinnys;346740]People are getting seriously hurt all the time in mma, most of it is kept a close secret and not leaked to the media though, its not uncommon for fighters to be puking or pissing blood, and bed ridden for days after fights because of sustained injuries, but they have had so much flack from the media that the fighters have basically an unsung rule of keeping things mum, and toughing it out.[QUOTE]

Right, and when a fight steps into the ring/octagon does he say to himself "Geeezzz i hope i dont get hit in the kidneys relentlessly untill i piss blood for a week straight!"

NOPE its more like "I am going to smash that ****ers face and punch him so hard in the kidneys he is going to be pissing blood for a week."

The point i am trying to make is that all of these athletes know their sport. They know the risks. They know that it can get dirty.

If a guy is scared of his body slamming into the ground at 117-125mph he wont jump out of a plane with a chute on his back.

[natenator]

[QUOTE=buildinthaskinnys;346740]People are getting seriously hurt all the time in mma, most of it is kept a close secret and not leaked to the media though, its not uncommon for fighters to be puking or pissing blood, and bed ridden for days after fights because of sustained injuries, but they have had so much flack from the media that the fighters have basically an unsung rule of keeping things mum, and toughing it out.[QUOTE]

Right, and when a fight steps into the ring/octagon does he say to himself "Geeezzz i hope i dont get hit in the kidneys relentlessly untill i piss blood for a week straight!"

NOPE its more like "I am going to smash that ****ers face and punch him so hard in the kidneys he is going to be pissing blood for a week."

The point i am trying to make is that all of these athletes know their sport. They know the risks. They know that it can get dirty.

If a guy is scared of his body slamming into the ground at 117-125mph he wont jump out of a plane with a chute on his back.
Dirty play should not be expected or tolerated in any sport whether they know the potential for it or not. You seem to be condoning dirty play as an condition of playing a sport.

NO PLAYER should expect to step on the ice and be elbowed in the head thus leading to brain injuries, loss of teeth and whatever else. NO PLAYER should expect to be hit from behind thus having their neck broken.

There are injuries which manifest as a result of hard play which is to be expected and then there are injuries which manifest as a result of malicious intent from dirty players which should NOT be EXPECTED or tolerated.

Comparing a sport like MMA which is a pugilistic combat sport to hockey makes you look like a complete moron.

[waderow]

I am saying that dirty play would be less prevalent if there were more consequences on ice, but guys like you want to take those consequences away, thus creating more dirty plays, making you bellache more. its a vicious circle

[Dallas Hogan]

Soooooo anywho, lol, any word on how the guy PC hit is doing?

[Shaun]

Comparing a sport like MMA which is a pugilistic combat sport to hockey makes you look like a complete moron.

Im not saying it should be tolerated. Im also not saying it should be expected. Im saying (and have been all along) is that its a HAZARD OF THE JOB.

I feel for both parties. One guy was rising to the top for something that he knew (and was drafted too) would get attention. The other guy was an unfortunate casualty (not in a literal sense).

For the media to flip shit and liberal douches to cry about it is the problem here. Its no suprise that this shit happens. Blowing it up and trying to throw the guy to the flames is what will turn this sport to shit.

Fine the guy, hit him in the wallet. But ban a guy from a sport that is known to be violent will accomplish nothing. It will only lead to the lack of tallent in the sport. It will also lead to a boring sport and the end of hockey.

And for the name calling....

"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self control to be understanding and forgiving.”
-Dale Carnegie

[waderow]

plus.

for the record.... that hit was not that bad. the problem was that he convulsed after being knocked out. Thats why everyone was crying like a little bitch.... "oh my...he is convulsing... he must be brain damaged....waaa waaa"

convulsing isnt pretty, but most convulse when knocked out

[natenator]

I am saying that dirty play would be less prevalent if there were more consequences on ice, but guys like you want to take those consequences away, thus creating more dirty plays, making you bellache more. its a vicious circle
yeah and capital punish has a real determent on violent crime eh?

Again, very few people in a hockey fight get thumped thus solving it on ice does not actually solve anything. Fighting isn't allowed in football yet is also a violent sport. I wonder why?

[natenator]

plus.

for the record.... that hit was not that bad. the problem was that he convulsed after being knocked out. Thats why everyone was crying like a little bitch.... "oh my...he is convulsing... he must be brain damaged....waaa waaa"

convulsing isnt pretty, but most convulse when knocked out
show me something that's more violent

[physique]

plus.

for the record.... that hit was not that bad. the problem was that he convulsed after being knocked out. Thats why everyone was crying like a little bitch.... "oh my...he is convulsing... he must be brain damaged....waaa waaa"

convulsing isnt pretty, but most convulse when knocked out

the hit wasnt that bad? i dont know how one can say that. it was cheap as cheap goes. guy never saw it coming and there was no reason to even hit him. the puck was already in the corner. reflex my ass.

[waderow]

he should have kept his head up

[natenator]

he should have kept his head up
now that we know your credibility with anything to do with sport is nill.

[waderow]

yeah and capital punish has a real determent on violent crime eh?

Again, very few people in a hockey fight get thumped thus solving it on ice does not actually solve anything. Fighting isn't allowed in football yet is also a violent sport. I wonder why?

Yes, as a matter of fact it was.... and is. Get your nose out of the "How to be a Liberal for Dummies" book, and experience more worldly media

[LonelyBedouin]

Soooooo anywho, lol, any word on how the guy PC hit is doing?

From a interview I did, I believe he they were saying he was going to be alright. I could be wrong though, my memory has been like shit the past couple days

[Shaun]

From a interview I did, I believe he they were saying he was going to be alright. I could be wrong though, my memory has been like shit the past couple days

He was in a interview the other day on sportsnet. He is fine. Just needs to see a dentist.