Lesnar Speaking Talking Good Smack

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'They couldn't do nothing for me," he added. "It was like I was in a Third World country. I just looked at my wife and she saved my life and I had to get out of there."

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[_Ragnar_]

3rd world eh? What about the millions of people who cant afford heath care in the states? It cost my cousin $1300 to get a prescription from his doctor. Its easy not to want health care reform when you are a millionaire.

[cog]

Wonder what his visit to the Mayo Clinic cost.

[JacktheThriller]

He is probably right in his situation. Millionaires can pay for the best and you wont get the best in standardized care. Would he have gotten better eventually, seeing a specialist on a waiting list. Yes but he has the money so why wait.

[waderow]

3rd world eh? What about the millions of people who cant afford heath care in the states? It cost my cousin $1300 to get a prescription from his doctor. Its easy not to want health care reform when you are a millionaire.

you think we are not paying for it youre soooo lost. why do you think our taxes are so high? your cousin enjoys less tax and a lower cost of living and should be investing in insurance

in canada, we pay close to $10g per person for healthcare.... but thats per person.... remember the immigrants and lazy who do not pay taxes

[Praetorian]

Canada's health care system is leaps and bounds ahead of the US. Ive lived in both countries and trust me id much rather live in Canada and have our health care system. There are ways around wait times etc in Canada you just have to be a bit resourceful...ie MRI's, Ultrasounds etc can be available in days if you are willing to go in on off peak times. The US health care system caters to the wealthy and the few...as well as the healthy...ie if you have an existing condition you may not even qualify for insurance. Look at all the soldiers who were in Iraq and the Gulf...many dont even have or dont qualify for adequate health care to deal with issues that happend during the war. Canadas health care system isnt perfect....and it does need work but it is doing a much better job and is modelled as the standard in many countries around the world.
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[waderow]

the american system needs regulation of the insurance companies.

[dku]

I agree with Lesnar. I unfortunately have had a lot of experience with the Canadian healthcare system, and it's scary. When my life is on the line I'd rather spend the money and be in good hands (and I'm poor).

[St]

Lesner is a Dick,and i can't wait for him to lose,hope he fights up in Canada when he losses his belt,maybe in Montreal,or BC when they get there first Card in the Province.

[_Ragnar_]

you think we are not paying for it youre soooo lost. why do you think our taxes are so high? your cousin enjoys less tax and a lower cost of living and should be investing in insurance

in canada, we pay close to $10g per person for healthcare.... but thats per person.... remember the immigrants and lazy who do not pay taxes

i never said we didnt pay for it. I understand where my taxes go. My cousin is canadian and a student. He doesnt pay taxes in the states.

[Bowlcut]

the american system needs regulation of the insurance companies.

They need the opposite. It are the regulations that have driven the companies out of busy in many states leaving individuals with one or two companies to chose from. Kentucky decided to regulate the insurance industry and they are now left with only 2 providers and a mandate that all women have to have pregnancy coverage even if they are in their 70's.

I suggest people go to a hospital in Montreal and see how old and dirty they are.

As for prescriptions Walmart in the USA has $10 rx's for 3 months on most drugs. That would be 10% of what I pay right now for the exact same drug, and the reality people think the USA some how free market health care when it just has a lousy form of government managed care.

[waderow]

They need the opposite. It are the regulations that have driven the companies out of busy in many states leaving individuals with one or two companies to chose from. Kentucky decided to regulate the insurance industry and they are now left with only 2 providers and a mandate that all women have to have pregnancy coverage even if they are in their 70's.

I suggest people go to a hospital in Montreal and see how old and dirty they are.

As for prescriptions Walmart in the USA has $10 rx's for 3 months on most drugs. That would be 10% of what I pay right now for the exact same drug, and the reality people think the USA some how free market health care when it just has a lousy form of government managed care.

what i meant is a minimum coverage. for a maximum rate.

[Bowlcut]

what i meant is a minimum coverage. for a maximum rate.

Price controls will always back fire like the NEP.

People need to realize healthcare is not a human right like freedom of speech or private property.

[waderow]

Price controls will always back fire like the NEP.

People need to realize healthcare is not a human right like freedom of speech or private property.

buuuut, in this case, collusion has taken control of the insurance industry, as it has in the oil industry.

A way to combat collusion is required. Competition is always the answer, but the competition has been allowed to grow too big.

Capping insurance rates will not destroy the US economy either

[Bowlcut]

buuuut, in this case, collusion has taken control of the insurance industry, as it has in the oil industry.

A way to combat collusion is required. Competition is always the answer, but the competition has been allowed to grow too big.

Capping insurance rates will not destroy the US economy either

One sign that there is no free market is the excessive profits of the insurance companies. If there is lots of money to be made and no barriers to entry then lots of people would be wanting in on the action and this would drive prices down. If the government sets insurance rates too low like they would for oil then companies will withhold their service/goods and even more scarcity would occur.

I would say there is a lack of competition thanks to Clinton who wrote the regs back in the 90's so that only the big insurance companies, who oddly enough contribute large sums to the Demorats and Republi****s, can engage in activity.

[rob66679]

They need the opposite. It are the regulations that have driven the companies out of busy in many states leaving individuals with one or two companies to chose from. Kentucky decided to regulate the insurance industry and they are now left with only 2 providers and a mandate that all women have to have pregnancy coverage even if they are in their 70's.

I suggest people go to a hospital in Montreal and see how old and dirty they are.

As for prescriptions Walmart in the USA has $10 rx's for 3 months on most drugs. That would be 10% of what I pay right now for the exact same drug, and the reality people think the USA some how free market health care when it just has a lousy form of government managed care.

$20 prescriptions...most drugs?... That explains the busloads of seniors coming over the border to buy our prescriptions for way less.
Please tell us what prescription drug costs 90% less in the states...lol.
The cost is so ****ing high its going to bankrupt the whole ****ing country.... its killing employers right now who have to pay employee premiums. Life expectancy is 42nd in the world, despite spending 50% more of their GDP on healthcare.
Looks like a winner to me.

Every company is in business to make money.... and cut costs to increase profits. In this case though, costs = care.

Keep it real here..... They have better health care if you have lots of money ( like Lesner ) and are healthy. As long as you look like a profit.
But if you get sick, or lose your job, your ****ed.

BTW Wade.... Canada spends half what the states does per person..... you Conservatives and your little weird facts.....

[rob66679]

you think we are not paying for it youre soooo lost. why do you think our taxes are so high? your cousin enjoys less tax and a lower cost of living and should be investing in insurance

in canada, we pay close to $10g per person for healthcare.... but thats per person.... remember the immigrants and lazy who do not pay taxes

10k.....quote your source.

[tex]

$20 prescriptions...most drugs?... That explains the busloads of seniors coming over the border to buy our prescriptions for way less.
Please tell us what prescription drug costs 90% less in the states...lol.
The cost is so ****ing high its going to bankrupt the whole ****ing country.... its killing employers right now who have to pay employee premiums. Life expectancy is 42nd in the world, despite spending 50% more of their GDP on healthcare.
Looks like a winner to me.

Every company is in business to make money.... and cut costs to increase profits. In this case though, costs = care.

Keep it real here..... They have better health care if you have lots of money ( like Lesner ) and are healthy. As long as you look like a profit.
But if you get sick, or lose your job, your ****ed.

BTW Wade.... Canada spends half what the states does per person..... you Conservatives and your little weird facts..... im from the states and whenever ive bought a script up here ive paid WAY more (paying cash no insurance).....and as far as the last comment about needing lots of money to have good healthcare....thats bullshit....i had free healthcare from my employer and i have walked into my clinic with no appt. and gotten an mri same day......for a 20$ copay.....with all scripts at 20 or less....

also....i have been fired whilst my wife was preggers and my healthcare was extended until 6 months after the birth of our child.....its not all gloom and doom....just what they want you to see.....

[rob66679]

im from the states and whenever ive bought a script up here ive paid WAY more (paying cash no insurance).....and as far as the last comment about needing lots of money to have good healthcare....thats bullshit....i had free healthcare from my employer and i have walked into my clinic with no appt. and gotten an mri same day......for a 20$ copay.....with all scripts at 20 or less....

also....i have been fired whilst my wife was preggers and my healthcare was extended until 6 months after the birth of our child.....its not all gloom and doom....just what they want you to see.....

What happened after 6 months of no work? I'm assuming the 20% of people with no healthcare are unemployed? The leading cause of personal bankruptcy is from healthcare debts.

So why are busloads of seniors coming here for prescriptions? The pharmaceutical Industry is the most profitable of any..... Its a fact drugs in the states cost more then anywhere in the world, by far, and the pharmaceutical Lobby spends more than any other, even oil.

I dunno.... The proposal I saw I thought was superior to any other Countrys's system. That is if you can afford to you pick your own insurer, and if not you pick the Government option..... And the Government option would keep the private insurance companys honest IE no more gauging and collusion.

[cog]

Price controls will always back fire like the NEP.

People need to realize healthcare is not a human right like freedom of speech or private property.

Some people might feel that way when we allow foreign capital to invest and make large profits from OUR resources.

[waderow]

10k.....quote your source.

look it up yourself. took me 2 minutes.

You will see a number of about 7000 per person in 2008, so it will be higher in 2010, and that 7000 doesnt count indirect funding. also, thats per person,..... not tax payer. healthcare is breaking this country

[tex]

What happened after 6 months of no work? I'm assuming the 20% of people with no healthcare are unemployed? The leading cause of personal bankruptcy is from healthcare debts.

So why are busloads of seniors coming here for prescriptions? The pharmaceutical Industry is the most profitable of any..... Its a fact drugs in the states cost more then anywhere in the world, by far, and the pharmaceutical Lobby spends more than any other, even oil.

I dunno.... The proposal I saw I thought was superior to any other Countrys's system. That is if you can afford to you pick your own insurer, and if not you pick the Government option..... And the Government option would keep the private insurance companys honest IE no more gauging and collusion. hmm...lets see....i spent 22 bucks more on a penicillin script up here.....ive worked in pharmacies on both sides of the border and my mark-up in Canada was significantly higher.....this is from my own personal experience working in the industry and from being a customer as well.....

[rob66679]

look it up yourself. took me 2 minutes.

You will see a number of about 7000 per person in 2008, so it will be higher in 2010, and that 7000 doesnt count indirect funding. also, thats per person,..... not tax payer. healthcare is breaking this country

I did, and I found it was around $3600 as compared to $6700 in the states in 2006 per capita. The GDP spent was 10% for us, about 16% for them.
If its breaking us, it will be the end of them. IMHO our biggest problem is our aging population, theirs is the total control their Pharmacutial industry has over the politicians. There is no logical reason other than flat out greed for patented drugs to cost 50% less here.

I'm guessing that if Joe American gets sick abroad, their insurer isn't gonna send a plane to get them to the Mayo Clinic ASAP unless they are rich and/or famous like Brock.

The only thing I trust less than Government is Big Business. At least the Government is supposed to have our best interest at heart.

[rob66679]

hmm...lets see....i spent 22 bucks more on a penicillin script up here.....ive worked in pharmacies on both sides of the border and my mark-up in Canada was significantly higher.....this is from my own personal experience working in the industry and from being a customer as well.....

I don't know what to tell ya bro.... I looked it up... Patented drugs are 35-45% higher on average, though generic drugs are cheaper.
Americans are buying over a billion dollars a year in prescriptions here.
I'd almost have to challenge your facts here bro.

[waderow]

heres an easy one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

keep in mind that that price doesnt include indirect taxdollars for admin, etc.

[tex]

I don't know what to tell ya bro.... I looked it up... Patented drugs are 35-45% higher on average, though generic drugs are cheaper.
Americans are buying over a billion dollars a year in prescriptions here.
I'd almost have to challenge your facts here bro.you can challenge the facts but i am just telling you what i have seen and done by marking shit up....and it seems like there were more generics available in the states.....a lot of the trade names differ between the 2 countries but i could swear that ive seen more generics in the states......anyways.....im not here for a pissing contest to see what system is better cuz they both have benefits and pitfalls....i liked my hmo in the states the best because my clinic was an all inclusive type that offered every med service available and all i had to pay was 20 for any service i needed and i got same day service and specialists were seen within the same week.....the system up here works...albeit significantly slower but it works nonetheless

[Bowlcut]

I did, and I found it was around $3600 as compared to $6700 in the states in 2006 per capita. The GDP spent was 10% for us, about 16% for them.
If its breaking us, it will be the end of them. IMHO our biggest problem is our aging population, theirs is the total control their Pharmacutial industry has over the politicians. There is no logical reason other than flat out greed for patented drugs to cost 50% less here.

I'm guessing that if Joe American gets sick abroad, their insurer isn't gonna send a plane to get them to the Mayo Clinic ASAP unless they are rich and/or famous like Brock.

The only thing I trust less than Government is Big Business. At least the Government is supposed to have our best interest at heart.

If you believe that you are blind to the world.

And for all those bitching about generics etc, anyone ever realize that patents are a government granted monopoly?

Too much collectivist thinking in this thread. "Our resources"? Last time I checked my wheat fields belonged to me and nobody else, and the same should go for oil and natural gas. The fact is Canada does not have a sufficient pool of savings to expand resources so companies preventing foreign investment just drives up the cost of capital and makes investing in new capital projects more expensive and less profitable. Less incentive means less jobs for everyone around. I could not care less that Total SA is based in France and is investing in the oilsands. The only real issue that could be involved in foreign investment is when state owned enterprises are involved.

[cog]

If you believe that you are blind to the world.

And for all those bitching about generics etc, anyone ever realize that patents are a government granted monopoly?

Too much collectivist thinking in this thread. "Our resources"? Last time I checked my wheat fields belonged to me and nobody else, and the same should go for oil and natural gas. The fact is Canada does not have a sufficient pool of savings to expand resources so companies preventing foreign investment just drives up the cost of capital and makes investing in new capital projects more expensive and less profitable. Less incentive means less jobs for everyone around. I could not care less that Total SA is based in France and is investing in the oilsands. The only real issue that could be involved in foreign investment is when state owned enterprises are involved.

You know darn well about mineral rights.What good would it do making a few lucky farmers incredibly wealthy?Wonder how Norway managed to get more involved.More resources then most countries could dream of and the peasants deserve no health care?I'm starting to think you worship Mitt Romney.

[rob66679]

If you believe that you are blind to the world.

And for all those bitching about generics etc, anyone ever realize that patents are a government granted monopoly?

Too much collectivist thinking in this thread. "Our resources"? Last time I checked my wheat fields belonged to me and nobody else, and the same should go for oil and natural gas. The fact is Canada does not have a sufficient pool of savings to expand resources so companies preventing foreign investment just drives up the cost of capital and makes investing in new capital projects more expensive and less profitable. Less incentive means less jobs for everyone around. I could not care less that Total SA is based in France and is investing in the oilsands. The only real issue that could be involved in foreign investment is when state owned enterprises are involved.

If you believe that big business has anyones best interest in mind, you have not looked into what caused this recession.
Patents are needed otherwise no private company will have the motivation to spend billions to develop drugs. However, there is a point where it becomes pure greed.

The real beauty of the Conservative movement, in the states anyway, and to a lesser degree here..... Convincing some of the poorer people that its a good thing for the rich to get richer, that they will use increased profits to hire more people ( instead of giving themselves bonuses), and the whole trickle down bullshit theory. The top 1% of people have 95% of all the wealth, and everybodys concerned about Socialism.
Bush tried it to the max, paid for a war with tax cuts for the top earners, and we know where it all went.
The biggest trick ever played. At the expense of the middle class working man.

[rob66679]

heres an easy one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

keep in mind that that price doesnt include indirect taxdollars for admin, etc.

Thats pretty much the same numbers i saw. 10% of GDP here as opposed to 16% there.

Not trying to start a pissing match Tex.... I respect your views.

I don't think either system is perfect, but what Obama was proposing with the public option was pretty close IMHO. The biggest argument I saw against it was people saying it was the beginning of Socialism, I think it would just make the private insurers have to bring their prices down. Right now there is basically collusion among the insurers, and their profits show that.

[Bowlcut]

You know darn well about mineral rights.What good would it do making a few lucky farmers incredibly wealthy?Wonder how Norway managed to get more involved.More resources then most countries could dream of and the peasants deserve no health care?I'm starting to think you worship Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney is a douchebag. End of story.

Mineral rights have been misconstrued under the belief that a property owner is entitled to everything below his land to the center of the earth similar to a triangle. Most libertarian thinkers would argue that the property boundary only goes so far to extend to say the well water line.

When Enbridge put in a pipeline across our land we were compensated because the effected the land we used.

Even with the semantics aside take the oil sands for an example. Say I purchased all of the land without eminent domain from a landowner. Why should I pay royalties to the AB government on each barrel produced? I never paid royalties on the cattle I sold (aside from mandatory fees given to the cattle associations. Lougheed mouthed off awhile back saying that natural resources "belong to Albertans". My other question is does somebody who moves to Calgary automatically by virtue of residing within AB become entitled to Suncor's labours?

I never said nobody deserved health care did I? I just think that the government does a terrible job at providing it, and even if you disagree I am sure you can agree that the current spending is unsustainable. The free market has dropped prices in computers, cell phones, and cars, but why not health care?

Ron can you please tell me how big business alone caused this recession? Last time I checked it was the government who creates all the moral hazard and bailouts for their buddies and leaving the tab with the working man.

[rob66679]

Mitt Romney is a douchebag. End of story.

Mineral rights have been misconstrued under the belief that a property owner is entitled to everything below his land to the center of the earth similar to a triangle. Most libertarian thinkers would argue that the property boundary only goes so far to extend to say the well water line.

When Enbridge put in a pipeline across our land we were compensated because the effected the land we used.

Even with the semantics aside take the oil sands for an example. Say I purchased all of the land without eminent domain from a landowner. Why should I pay royalties to the AB government on each barrel produced? I never paid royalties on the cattle I sold (aside from mandatory fees given to the cattle associations. Lougheed mouthed off awhile back saying that natural resources "belong to Albertans". My other question is does somebody who moves to Calgary automatically by virtue of residing within AB become entitled to Suncor's labours?

I never said nobody deserved health care did I? I just think that the government does a terrible job at providing it, and even if you disagree I am sure you can agree that the current spending is unsustainable. The free market has dropped prices in computers, cell phones, and cars, but why not health care?

Ron can you please tell me how big business alone caused this recession? Last time I checked it was the government who creates all the moral hazard and bailouts for their buddies and leaving the tab with the working man.

Big business along with a willing republican Government caused this recession, through a lack of regulation on the Government end, and putting short term profits IE high risk mortages attached to performance bonuses on the big business side.
They all knew what was coming, but they didn't give a **** as long as they could draw million dollar bonuses,based on profit forcasts on home loans they knew were going tits up.
This whole ****ing thing is what happens when Conservative economics are allowed to go full throttle. It all started on wall street.

The whole bailout process was started by a Conservative, he realized
( too late ) just how bad he'd ****ed up. Bush started the first round of bailouts, and Obama had no choice but to continue them or repeat the same mistakes of the great depression.

The free market has done a lot of great things, and made wealthy. But the whole global free-trade, and wall-mart transformation is killing the middle class.

As far as mineral rights..... Cmon now...... You honestly think every Canadian should not benifit?

[waderow]

as far as mineral rights...
they went in there knowing that they were to pay royalties

if they were to not pay royalties, then the price of land would have been unattainable, and would have scared off any developers to exploit the riches. No one knew, and noone knows to this day how much riches the land yields.

[cog]

Mitt Romney is a douchebag. End of story.

Mineral rights have been misconstrued under the belief that a property owner is entitled to everything below his land to the center of the earth similar to a triangle. Most libertarian thinkers would argue that the property boundary only goes so far to extend to say the well water line.

When Enbridge put in a pipeline across our land we were compensated because the effected the land we used.

Even with the semantics aside take the oil sands for an example. Say I purchased all of the land without eminent domain from a landowner. Why should I pay royalties to the AB government on each barrel produced? I never paid royalties on the cattle I sold (aside from mandatory fees given to the cattle associations. Lougheed mouthed off awhile back saying that natural resources "belong to Albertans". My other question is does somebody who moves to Calgary automatically by virtue of residing within AB become entitled to Suncor's labours?

I never said nobody deserved health care did I? I just think that the government does a terrible job at providing it, and even if you disagree I am sure you can agree that the current spending is unsustainable. The free market has dropped prices in computers, cell phones, and cars, but why not health care?

Ron can you please tell me how big business alone caused this recession? Last time I checked it was the government who creates all the moral hazard and bailouts for their buddies and leaving the tab with the working man.

Well,apparently doctors in North America make a lot more money than in Europe,I will have to verify this.So,either by state or free enterprise health care is more expensive here than it should be.Even if you did allow a sudden influx of foreign doctors their association would likely "suggest"recommended fees.Dentists don't vary much either,do they?

[oldcanada]

He is still a dick, and I'm sure he went in to that nice little Brandon Hostpital acting like a total ****ing dick. You all know he didn't say please and thanks right.

**** him, he's a big ****ing dick, ****ing up MMA and what it's all about, Respect and skill.

should have stayed in the WWE.

Dick.....thats all I gotta say.

[waderow]

He is still a dick, and I'm sure he went in to that nice little Brandon Hostpilat acting like a total ****ing dick. You all know he didn't say please and thanks right.

**** him, he's a big ****ing dick, ****ing up MMA and what it's all about, Respect and skill.

should have stayed in the WWE.

Dick.....thats all I gotta say.

when i have had anything to do with the hospital i have always started off as polite, but towards the end of being ignored for hours it becomes a little difficult. healthcare in canada is a joke

[L3]

i have always started off as polite, but towards the end of being ignored for hours it becomes a little difficult.

x2

[oldcanada]

he is still a dick.....hope someone runs him over....lol, If i had known he was going to be hunting in Manitoba I would have made a cow catcher for my truck and run the big ****er over myself...lol....dick