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liquidfire
11-01-2010, 09:16 PM
Greg Doucette (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14104) Failed Test
powerlifting.ca/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3902 <--- Just saw this today... Not so natural after all?
btufts
12-01-2010, 12:26 AM
ahhh that ****ing sucks for gregg, its true though, now everyone will think all his lifts were doped... hope that all gets straightened out for him
tiramisu
12-01-2010, 12:48 AM
clearly an oversight, but the rules are also clear. hopefully the sanction will be light under the circumstances.
dainbramaged
12-01-2010, 10:41 AM
Wasn't Novadex banned by Health Canada a while back?
Delt King
12-01-2010, 10:59 AM
It's all bullcrap Greg explained it perfectly in the link above... it just doesn't make any logical sense to purposely take Eq given the circumstances. On a better note, now he can concentrate on Bodybuilding. lol which he's been just as successful in.
dainbramaged
12-01-2010, 11:08 AM
^ yup, you got in before I did.
As stated in that blog (the one posted).. If Greg can get the doctor to prove that it was Novadex which sent his levels over the legal limit (note: a supplement which was given to him by the natural federation post win in previous contest) he has a chance of being reinstated.
I would suggest that if it was banned prior to his taking it, then no he won't. If it was in a gray area, then I don't know. If it was listed as being banned by the CPU, then no he won't, even if it was gray in Canada. If he was given it by a US federation, then it was his mistake to take it. If it was given him by a Canadian federation (powerlifting, bodybuilding, whatever) and it was previously banned in Canada, then he could potentially pursue legal action? Most federations don't care as much how it got in your system, it's the fact it was there when competing. Some have a 0% tolerance.
That sucks when you take something that you think is Natural and it ends up causing you to fail a test.
Regardless you a a strong dude and I still consider you natural.
Has Nolvedex been banned now ?
waderow
12-01-2010, 11:27 AM
as soon as I am done this cycle I am going to be natural too. For maybe 6 months or so
edit...okay natty for 4... tops
Is your cycle novedex and test boosters ?
waderow
12-01-2010, 11:39 AM
Is your cycle novedex and test boosters ?
was Gregs? probably not. the dude got caught. sheesh
for the record, I respect him just as much. He has a great physique and is an accomplished lifter. With or with out roids.... just this case...its WITH
natenator
12-01-2010, 11:47 AM
was Gregs? probably not. the dude got caught. sheesh
for the record, I respect him just as much. He has a great physique and is an accomplished lifter. With or with out roids.... just this case...its WITH
So you think he tested positive for steroids instead of supposed natural products which may have steroidal metabolites?
waderow
12-01-2010, 11:48 AM
So you think he tested positive for steroids instead of supposed natural products which may have steroidal metabolites?
I would bet $$$
an elite lifter and BBer is going to be sucked into the whole test boost supplement craze targetted to wards the highschool kids? or is he going to take a little EQ off season? To me, and imo the novadex and supplement claims are to save face.
But once again, the dude rocks. He is huge for 5'6. I respect him.... Just dont play me for a fool
I think he's telling the truth.
Someone posted on that other board in his original statement that the supplements by Gaspari should not be taken if going into a drug tested event as it may cause a positive result.
C-money
12-01-2010, 12:21 PM
whether greg juices or not.. hes a beast, end of story
natenator
12-01-2010, 12:22 PM
whether greg juices or not.. hes a beast, end of story
I'm sure it matters to him.
C-money
12-01-2010, 12:27 PM
I'm sure it matters to him.
definately.. im just saying i got crazy respect for him, either way
GYMBRAT
12-01-2010, 12:39 PM
definately.. im just saying i got crazy respect for him, either way
wurd bro! :bch
tiramisu
12-01-2010, 04:08 PM
I would bet $$$
an elite lifter and BBer is going to be sucked into the whole test boost supplement craze targetted to wards the highschool kids? or is he going to take a little EQ off season? To me, and imo the novadex and supplement claims are to save face.
But once again, the dude rocks. He is huge for 5'6. I respect him.... Just dont play me for a fool
An elite powerlifter lifter is going to do test prop, gh, insulin and other short chain fast clearing steroids. In an untested world he'd probably be tossing back anadrol before the meet.
eq and deca are two examples of things a tested elite athlete would not be taking.
... nonetheless is was dumb to take novadex xt. All this shit is badly concocted half assed aas. Most of them will have you test positive put you at risk for gyno and give you just about 0 performance results.
MuSuLPhReAk
12-01-2010, 04:17 PM
I'm going to separate the posts into another thread soon as this thread was more for Greg's profile and not for this event which happened. Would like to have them separate.
waderow
12-01-2010, 05:19 PM
An elite powerlifter lifter is going to do test prop, gh, insulin and other short chain fast clearing steroids. In an untested world he'd probably be tossing back anadrol before the meet.
eq and deca are two examples of things a tested elite athlete would not be taking.
... nonetheless is was dumb to take novadex xt. All this shit is badly concocted half assed aas. Most of them will have you test positive put you at risk for gyno and give you just about 0 performance results.
precisely why he wouldnt have taken such a nonsensical supplement
gsxr750
12-01-2010, 05:21 PM
Maybe he thought he had primo or masteron or something and was sold EQ.
Don't matter to me but I guess it would matter to those that lost to him.
waderow
12-01-2010, 05:22 PM
Maybe he thought he had primo or masteron or something and was sold EQ.
bingo. shitty U/G lab or a bad powder source
Shortdave
12-01-2010, 05:27 PM
He has the build and strength of a natural guy with superior genetics who busts his ass.
After having read that other thread I never want to compete in canadian powerlifting federations. What a bunch of babies.
gregdoucette
12-01-2010, 06:55 PM
Pics displayed are as followes
left= 2009 drug tested IFBB nationals middleweight winner
middle= 2006 light middle and overall tested IFBB nationals
right= 2009 overall atlantics bodybuilding
Its easy for me to tell what pics are what but I can see how it would be hard for anyone else.
Ya sucks pretty bad. I actually lifted alot lower at this meet dispite the fail as compared to all the other meets where I was tested and passed. I set records dating back to 1998 yet everything is being wiped out from the books. I was tested 14 times in powerlifting as every record was tested back in the day. Twice tested at the arnolds in 2009 as I competed and won 2 contests there including an overall win which paid me 1000$. I was lifting at my best in 2008 where I won the overall for bench and was CCES tested for that as well.
But ya so much for powerlifting, guess I'll just have to focus on bodybuilding now and see how I do in that.
gregdoucette
12-01-2010, 06:57 PM
I'm not gonna go on a rampage and right about everything thats going on as its all on the powerlifting.ca site. But I do know that if I were to enter a powerlifting meet non tested and could take whatever I want i'd be destroying what I have lifted in the past.
Shortdave
12-01-2010, 08:29 PM
That totally sucks man. I really don't understand why previous records that were set while you passed tests are going to be removed. Do they not trust their own previous testing methods?
O-Train
12-01-2010, 09:02 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. I'd say lesson learned...but having your old records removed is too much imo. Is this standard practice? Almost seems like someone is out to get you.
physique
12-01-2010, 09:59 PM
this news just made it to my small town gym today. I have a few powerlifters here and they were all laughing about this topic in the gym today.
sorry greg. i feel for ya. You shouldnt loose all your titles, especially if u passed tests back then. its bullshit imo.
steve_d
13-01-2010, 06:42 AM
Like I've always said in the past the only way for someone in Greg's shoes to prove his current statements would be to give a good year or 2 on some real supplements...Greg competing at 180 on stage, to all of a sudden 200 and even more ripped.
MuSuLPhReAk
13-01-2010, 06:49 AM
This is the thread to discuss the failed test.
question for Greg, after the events that just occured, have you considered using anabolics for the future, or will you continue the natty route?
MuSuLPhReAk
13-01-2010, 09:03 AM
That totally sucks man. I really don't understand why previous records that were set while you passed tests are going to be removed. Do they not trust their own previous testing methods?
This.
devo09
13-01-2010, 11:46 AM
Novedex xt is banned by almost ALL natural organizations. . .
nisser
13-01-2010, 02:13 PM
Silly question but if you're blaming natural supplements, why not just test these natural supplements for boldenone?
waderow
13-01-2010, 02:19 PM
Silly question but if you're blaming natural supplements, why not just test these natural supplements for boldenone?
he had 8 times the natural testosterone benchmark and boldenone.....
I dont think you will find that in a tub of carbs at GNC
natenator
13-01-2010, 02:20 PM
he had 8 times the natural testosterone benchmark and boldenone.....
I dont think you will find that in a tub of carbs at GNC
instead of beating around the bush why don't you just come out and call him a cheater wade.
waderow
13-01-2010, 02:29 PM
instead of beating around the bush why don't you just come out and call him a cheater wade.
to me, "natural" shows, whether in BBing or PL, is about not testing positive at show time. You start pulling random piss tests throughout the year to maintain a natty certification, then we have something.
Greg piss tested positive, so yes, he cheated as he was competing in shit that doesn't allow positive tests.
Do I have one bit less respect for the dude? No! He is strong as ****! He is a beast. I saw a vid of him pressing 275 for 32 at like 150 or somethign.... The man is an inspiration. Most juicers here with 10 times the dose he probably was taking cannot do what he does.
But just dont play me for a fool.
Rhinobolt10
13-01-2010, 03:40 PM
to me, "natural" shows, whether in BBing or PL, is about not testing positive at show time. You start pulling random piss tests throughout the year to maintain a natty certification, then we have something.
Greg piss tested positive, so yes, he cheated as he was competing in shit that doesn't allow positive tests.
Do I have one bit less respect for the dude? No! He is strong as ****! He is a beast. I saw a vid of him pressing 275 for 32 at like 150 or somethign.... The man is an inspiration. Most juicers here with 10 times the dose he probably was taking cannot do what he does.
But just dont play me for a fool.
Dude, I find you to be kind of shooting your mouth off a bit, and you're saying you have respect for Gregg, but everything you're saying is brutally disrespectful, not just in this post but in all of your posts on this topic so far.
And I sincerely doubt Gregg was trying to play you for a fool when he went and won all those shows and set all those records... just listen to the guy talk, he's humble as hell.
Take 5 mins and google Novadex, it's KNOWN to give false positives for Boldenone. If you really want I'll find the link.
Greggs passed 14 or 15 drug tests, and now because of one failed piss test he's losing every record he's set over YEARS of busting his ass...
And if Novadex is such a big friggin deal like everyone is making it out to be I don't think an 8:1 ratio is out of the question.
The 8:1 ratio is the only thing that could sway this in my opinion, I know the biker from the tour de france had 11:1... but to be honest, I'm pretty sure 8:1 used to be a passing test...
So seriously, if you want to bash Gregg go do it on the CPU forum, or on powerlifting watch... on this board we're all on the same team, we're all Canadian and Gregg is one of our boys, if he says he's clean, we give him the benefit of the doubt and stand by him.
I'm not replying to any more of your posts, I'm not getting into a dumb internet fight on a site dedicated to learning.
Peace!
Rhinobolt10
13-01-2010, 03:43 PM
Silly question but if you're blaming natural supplements, why not just test these natural supplements for boldenone?
The fed Gregg competes in leaves that up to the lifter to figure out if stuff is legal or not.
It's a topic that's been beat to death, and there have been times when regular supps have been contaminated with aas by accident only.
tiramisu
13-01-2010, 04:22 PM
What's even more annoying is company's like gaspari jumping on to the fringe hormone band wagon. The whole american pro steriod/hormone scene is horrible mess right now. Company's are pushing anything they like without regard to the negative sides effects.
It's sad when I have more respect for drug dealers than supplement sellers. The black market is a whole lot more honest and their prices are a heck of a lot better. How sad is that.
Greg has my empathy, but not my sympathy and he hasn't asked for it. He's quite aware that an athlete is responsible for what the put in their body and has made no excuses for the error in judgement. It's a damn shame that the strength sports and the industry that surrounds it is such an awful mess.
waderow
13-01-2010, 04:41 PM
Dude, I find you to be kind of shooting your mouth off a bit, and you're saying you have respect for Gregg, but everything you're saying is brutally disrespectful, not just in this post but in all of your posts on this topic so far.
fuuuuck, what more can I do or say? You want me to act like a star struck teenage girl and just buy into the whole roids in a gaspari tub? not going to happen. dude is impessive with or without gear.
And I sincerely doubt Gregg was trying to play you for a fool when he went and won all those shows and set all those records... just listen to the guy talk, he's humble as hell.
He is hardcore. Never said he wasnt. i will buy a GD T-shirt if it will make you feel better. The guy rocks. But he tested positive for roids so thta means either took roids, or somebody fed him roofies and stuck him with a slin pin while he was loopy. either way, I dont care. He is awesome. The whole playing me for a fool part is the blame game. There is as much roids in a tub of carbs as there is in a jug of milk. Labs that test these things aren't retards either. If you were to tell a lab tech this bullshit about the carb supplement increasing test to 8:1 and showing boldenone.... theyd piss themselves laughing.
Take 5 mins and google Novadex, it's KNOWN to give false positives for Boldenone. If you really want I'll find the link.
based on what? guys claims after they fail a piss test? or lab results?
Greggs passed 14 or 15 drug tests, and now because of one failed piss test he's losing every record he's set over YEARS of busting his ass...
So seriously, if you want to bash Gregg go do it on the CPU forum, or on powerlifting watch... on this board we're all on the same team, we're all Canadian and Gregg is one of our boys, if he says he's clean, we give him the benefit of the doubt and stand by him.
I'm not replying to any more of your posts, I'm not getting into a dumb internet fight on a site dedicated to learning.
Peace!
I will donate $100 to aid his legal challenge to hold his records. Will you? Give me the pay pal info Greg.
Maybe he had an injury. Perhaps the gear he got was the wrong shit. Perhaps the testing got more accurate. All of that shit doesnt concern me. He could admit tomorrow and I will still admire the **** out of the dude. Nothing changes... The only problem I have is you guys acting like ignorant kids buying the load of shit and defending it so intensely.
He juiced. I dont care. He got robbed of his records. That sucks. Time to break some non tested ones or get a lawyer.
MuSuLPhReAk
13-01-2010, 04:51 PM
At the moment, I'd say we should all cut Greg some slack. He's going through a rough time. All the years he worked at his records and accomplishments are looking to be erased. I feel for him. He must be under a ton of stress right now. Let the CPU handle his case but at the same time, let's not make his life tons more stressful. After things have settled, we can discuss it with him if he so chooses to do so.
519Muscle
13-01-2010, 04:55 PM
Either way the weight he put up was still impressive, clean or not...
Rhinobolt10
13-01-2010, 04:57 PM
contests.ironmanmagazine.com/vbp/forums/showthread.php?t=462
-the link to novadex causing false positives of boldenone.
I know I said I wasn't going to reply... but you actually made some good points...
I guess I'm just pissed cause everyone is really out to crucify this guy, and to me it just feels like people are thrilled to be watching Greggs fall from grace... I'M personally doing my best to stand up for him....
shitty for greg. pulling all of his records for 1 false test is a bit ridiculous.....
steve_d
13-01-2010, 08:45 PM
Someone posted earlier about the only way for a natty to be able to compete as a natty was if they were subjected to random tests throughout the year.
For those of you who don't know, Greg and everyone in the CPU are now able to be random tested throughout the year. Greg knew this, and I can't count the number of times he told me on the phone he was glad they were doing this and he COULDN'T WAIT for them to show up at his door so finally he could have people stop saying crap about just be natural "the day of the contest". It's too bad he didn't have that oppurtunity.
And yes, its a stressful time for him, and I am sure he appreciates the support on this site. It's the only site that hasn't put him down in the majority of posts...Honestly, it appears the people putting him down never liked him to begin with (or were too jealous they couldn't compete with him - and are now glad to have some sort of "proof" to put him down.
gregdoucette
13-01-2010, 09:07 PM
Ive never cheated at any powerlifting meet ever. Expect me to move up a weight class.
gregdoucette
13-01-2010, 09:07 PM
or 2
I'm not going to make accusations, but the whole 'natural' thing is a bit ridiculous. If you are truly natural congrats, you're probably one of 20 that actually are when they say they are.
Add into the mix all these supplements people take which are just as bad as steroids, if not worse, just so they can say they never 'touched' steroids, it's a bit of a joke.
PS. Is it really possible for someone who's been into bodybuilding, power lifting, gyms, competitions, supplements, self curiousity, to not know what Boldenone is? Opening sentence seemed a bit cheesy, no offense.
Adonis13
13-01-2010, 09:21 PM
or 2
hahaa too good, kick some ass greg
steve_d
14-01-2010, 01:47 PM
PS. Is it really possible for someone who's been into bodybuilding, power lifting, gyms, competitions, supplements, self curiousity, to not know what Boldenone is? Opening sentence seemed a bit cheesy, no offense.
Up until the time I started going on these type of forums, I didn't know what EQ was, let alone boldenone. When I heard the news, I had to look up boldenone to make sure it was EQ (I was only 75% sure). So yes, its possible to not know what boldenone is, just the same as someone not knowing that acetylsalicylic acid is aspirin.
AlladdinSane
14-01-2010, 01:57 PM
I'm not a betting man. That being said, I'd bet that Greg is natural.
I've lifted in the CPU. They are ridiculous for the most part. Super-Self-Righteous is the only way to describe it.
If you walk like a goose, talk like a goose, act like a goose, sometimes you're just a genetically gifted, hard-working duck, but it would seem that most don't care and want you out of their ducking circle, so they call you a goose.
It's a shame, really.
Keep your head up, Greg.
Time to come to the GPC !!
Up until the time I started going on these type of forums, I didn't know what EQ was, let alone boldenone. When I heard the news, I had to look up boldenone to make sure it was EQ (I was only 75% sure). So yes, its possible to not know what boldenone is, just the same as someone not knowing that acetylsalicylic acid is aspirin.
Yeah, it was kinda a serious question. I mean I've been reading about steroids since I was 16. But you also since until you got on forums, and as I've said, him being on forums for years, you'd think he'd know. But anyways, as I said it was a bit serious because it's hard to know what the non regular steroid user/reader knows and doesn't about steroids.
Rhinobolt10
14-01-2010, 03:48 PM
I'm not a betting man. That being said, I'd bet that Greg is natural.
I've lifted in the CPU. They are ridiculous for the most part. Super-Self-Righteous is the only way to describe it.
If you walk like a goose, talk like a goose, act like a goose, sometimes you're just a genetically gifted, hard-working duck, but it would seem that most don't care and want you out of their ducking circle, so they call you a goose.
It's a shame, really.
Keep your head up, Greg.
There are for sure some cool guys in the CPU and some really amazing lifters... but I think the older crowd is a bunch of retards, and I can't stand them.
I one time saw a judge in the hallway at a meet, and strolled up and asked a question about a lifter still being able to pull if they bombed, and this guy is just a fat tub of shit, he looks at me turns his nose up and loudly says "no" and just turns away from me like I wasn't even there.
I'm known as a fairly easy going guy, but man, did I ever friggin snap... and I mean insane with rage. Being dismissed like I was nothing, from someone who i saw as... well... nothing... FUGG...
One of the guys on the team saw me walking down the hallway swearing up a storm with my face all blotchy red and just laughed his ass off.
That's the mentallity I find with a lot of the CPU guys... they think their federation cures cancer or something.
ironwill
14-01-2010, 05:04 PM
Ive never cheated at any powerlifting meet ever. Expect me to move up a weight class.
Good for you bro......Im personally going to be watching your progress...Stay strong my friend....Good luck.....
btufts
15-01-2010, 12:21 PM
**** it Greg, you know what to do, make it to the Olympia for all of us :)
champion99
15-01-2010, 12:52 PM
I think I saw Greg doing a photoshoot at the gym I go to a few months back..Greg was in amazing shape, I have never seen anyone in person look that ripped .If Greg is natty? YOU ARE ONE BLESSED DUDE .
AlladdinSane
15-01-2010, 01:30 PM
YOU ARE ONE BLESSED DUDE .
...and you clearly work hard.
Mister T 72
15-01-2010, 06:16 PM
...and you clearly work hard.
I agree completely !!
I personally don't care if Greg is/was/has or will use a gram of test/week combined with other compounds!!
The man is a gifted athlete,both in powerlifting AND bodybuilding.
He has my full respect for his accomplishments,whether he is completely natural,or...with the aid of AAS like 99% of his competitors!!
And to top it off,he is a maritimer!! and Canadian !!
treebuilder
15-01-2010, 11:24 PM
Ive never cheated at any powerlifting meet ever. Expect me to move up a weight class.
Good enough for me. Keep strong
Ya this shit make me laugh when people fail a test,and blame it one supplement,only a moron would believe this shit...
Nothing against you greg,just a general answer and i'm not taking a shot at you.Even Bam from Cjm fail for Blow,and said it was from Poppy seed.
Here is a way to keep your Epi-testosterone in a 6:1 Ratio don't do more than 300mg of test cyp,or Test e.
gregdoucette
16-01-2010, 08:58 PM
If I were actually using testosterone leading up to this meet dont u think I would have lifted more then when I tested clean and set national records. 300 test a week leading up to a meet would be enough for me to win worlds.
tiramisu
16-01-2010, 09:41 PM
... test isn't the greatest for strength, so not necessarily, 300mg a week isn't anywhere near magic. Tren or Anadrol on the other hand :)
... all that aside you can't debate the naysayers. It's a no win situation. The failed test will likely stand and you've stated your position openly and clearly.
You were aware of the rules and you were responsible for taking a substance that resulted in a positive test. You've explained that you believe that is was a gaspari product that you won and didn't research.
No need to debate the crowd.
Stick with it, repost it if necessary and try not to get dragged into the internet mud.
This too shall pass.
gregdoucette
16-01-2010, 10:13 PM
its all good, I was just stating that i would win worlds with that considering I lifting 17.5 kg more then the guy who won worlds last year 2 weeks after worlds.
newme
20-01-2010, 07:05 AM
Ya this shit make me laugh when people fail a test,and blame it one supplement,only a moron would believe this shit...
Nothing against you Greg,just a general answer and i'm not taking a shot at you.Even Bam from Cjm fail for Blow,and said it was from Poppy seed.
Here is a way to keep your Epi-testosterone in a 6:1 Ratio don't do more than 300mg of test cyp,or Test e.
Dude that was like 2005...i said maybe poppy seed, but i think looking back it was a new supplement that just came out at the time(REDLINE) It was in the gift bags at the weigh-ins.....i was tired and thought i try it:wtf.I did test positive for cocaine metabolite.....not steroids.Actually i only started using 6 months ago after 20 years of lifting.I never did another natural show because of that bullshit:hu. And i never used coke either....some in university many years ago but not for a show:laugh . As for greg oh well to bad , deal with it:ne
natenator
20-01-2010, 08:50 AM
Dude that was like 2005...i said maybe poppy seed, but i think looking back it was a new supplement that just came out at the time(REDLINE) It was in the gift bags at the weigh-ins.....i was tired and thought i try it:wtf.I did test positive for cocaine metabolite.....not steroids.Actually i only started using 6 months ago after 20 years of lifting.I never did another natural show because of that bullshit:hu. And i never used coke either....some in university many years ago but not for a show:laugh . As for greg oh well to bad , deal with it:ne
oh god. Another dumb-ass who can't write.
O-Train
20-01-2010, 09:29 AM
oh god. Another dumb-ass who can't write.
I think they prefer to be called French Canadian. (this is a joke...Ceci est une plaisanterie)
waderow
20-01-2010, 09:42 AM
Dude that was like 2005...i said maybe poppy seed, but i think looking back it was a new supplement that just came out at the time(REDLINE) It was in the gift bags at the weigh-ins.....i was tired and thought i try it:wtf.I did test positive for cocaine metabolite.....not steroids.Actually i only started using 6 months ago after 20 years of lifting.I never did another natural show because of that bullshit:hu. And i never used coke either....some in university many years ago but not for a show:laugh . As for greg oh well to bad , deal with it:ne
so now there is cocaine in the Gaspari products?
we need new emoticons here.... I need a little smiley that shits his colon out (prolapse) from lol'ing so hard
natenator
20-01-2010, 09:47 AM
Dude that was like 2005...i said maybe poppy seed, but i think looking back it was a new supplement that just came out at the time(REDLINE) It was in the gift bags at the weigh-ins.....i was tired and thought i try it:wtf.I did test positive for cocaine metabolite.....not steroids.Actually i only started using 6 months ago after 20 years of lifting.I never did another natural show because of that bullshit:hu. And i never used coke either....some in university many years ago but not for a show:laugh . As for greg oh well to bad , deal with it:ne
for the record Greg is dealing with it - like a man. Not like the cry baby bitch you were on CJM.
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