IGF-1 users

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

What are your experiences with it? What kind of gains? Is it worth it?

[BolicPower]

i plan to use shortly, over hgh, i'll know in few weeks my feedback

[gustavo77]

Just waiting on my IGf-1. I will be adding 50mcg of IGf-1 to my current post workout protocol consisting of 10iu of slin and 6iu of GH. Hoping i will fill out a little while dieting.

[fathead]

Just waiting on my IGf-1. I will be adding 50mcg of IGf-1 to my current post workout protocol consisting of 10iu of slin and 6iu of GH. Hoping i will fill out a little while dieting.

how often are you taking this cocktail? after every training session? how many times/week?

[AlbertaBeef]

I ran it pre-cycle @ 50mcg post wrkout 3X a week, mid-cycle @ 80mcg post wrkout 3X a week and will run it in my PCT @ 100mcg pre wrkout 3x a week with PEG MGF. I will notice it the most in PCT but noticed some size and strength increase pre-cycle, no crazy pumps or hypo for me though. My PCT will the first kick at running it before training.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Just waiting on my IGf-1. I will be adding 50mcg of IGf-1 to my current post workout protocol consisting of 10iu of slin and 6iu of GH. Hoping i will fill out a little while dieting.


Damn!! must cost a pretty $$$

[gustavo77]

how often are you taking this cocktail? after every training session? how many times/week?

Yup after each weight training session, which would be 5 days per week.

[gustavo77]

Damn!! must cost a pretty $$$

No, not really. Generics are cheap and slin is very cheap.

[SteveMan]

Lol I would be terrified to use slin, I don't know enough about it.

[gustavo77]

Ya slin should not be messed with until one is ready and educated enough about it. Too me though, as long as one takes in enough carbs and stays attentive to their body, there should be no probs with slin.

[theslime]

Ya slin should not be messed with until one is ready and educated enough about it. Too me though, as long as one takes in enough carbs and stays attentive to their body, there should be no probs with slin.

Do you use both at the same time? or do you use gh first and then slin 30min later? Thats what I used to do but now I just take my gh in the morning and slin post-training.

[Rrrrolla]

IGF keeps you lean while bulking similar to gh, BUT, it does not give me bad sides I get with gh (numb hands), it costs considerably less, and SHOULD produce much greater gains during a typical run of igf vs gh. One other thing to note is that while running igf, I can take MUCH larger doses of aas and do not have the negative side effects.

[gustavo77]

Do you use both at the same time? or do you use gh first and then slin 30min later? Thats what I used to do but now I just take my gh in the morning and slin post-training.

Ya i take the Gh and Slin in the same pin, dose split up, injected bi-laterally.

[MassNutrition]

I freaking LOVE slin... I use it with every bulking cycle. I have always respected it, and never abused it. My only "real" problem with slin is that it made be bulk up in ways I didn't want to because of my diet. I was consuming fats within my "insulin window". Now I know better today and I absolutely love it...

[theslime]

Ya i take the Gh and Slin in the same pin, dose split up, injected bi-laterally.

Two more questions for you gustavo, if you dont mind:
1) Do you take it IM or subq? Im asking because you say bilaterally and i wonder how you can measure the slin with a 3ml syringe?
2) Do you still carb up after your shot? It seems a little weird because gh is hyperglycemic and should counteract the slin, no? Part of the reason I stopped using slin and gh together is cause i couldnt find a good answer to that question, so I figured i would shoot them separately.

[MassNutrition]

Two more questions for you gustavo, if you dont mind:
1) Do you take it IM or subq? Im asking because you say bilaterally and i wonder how you can measure the slin with a 3ml syringe?


Sorry to jump in here, but hell, don't go measuring your slin or GH with a barrel in ml/cc increments. It is just not precise enough. Use an insulin syringe ALWAYS...

...I myself prefer to use the 3/10cc barrels (measure up to 30IUs).

[gustavo77]

Two more questions for you gustavo, if you dont mind:
1) Do you take it IM or subq? Im asking because you say bilaterally and i wonder how you can measure the slin with a 3ml syringe?
2) Do you still carb up after your shot? It seems a little weird because gh is hyperglycemic and should counteract the slin, no? Part of the reason I stopped using slin and gh together is cause i couldnt find a good answer to that question, so I figured i would shoot them separately.

1. If using this PWO protocol, take the slin/GH IM (otherwise i inject GH in the morning SubQ for fatloss). The slin and GH will hit faster but also the slin run it's course faster. VERY IMPORTANT: when using humalog and injecting IM is will hit so fast that taking your carbs after a shot may be a little too late. I drink half my carb drink 3-5 minutes before injecting. This way when the slin hits the carbs are already there. Use an insulin syringe, they come in short and long, get the long for IM injections. I use 1ml/cc slin pins.

2. Yes, I drink my post workout carb and then protein drink. One hour later eat a meal of protein and carbs (NO FAT!!) and two hours later one more meal with protein and a small amount of carbs, also no fat in this meal. GH does increase insulin sensitivity but taking slin with GH negates that aspect of GH entirely. That is one of reason they are so synergistic, they complement them so well. The IGF-1 increase from GH and slin together is far higher then taking either of them separately.

[theslime]

1. If using this PWO protocol, take the slin/GH IM (otherwise i inject GH in the morning SubQ for fatloss). The slin and GH will hit faster but also the slin run it's course faster. VERY IMPORTANT: when using humalog and injecting IM is will hit so fast that taking your carbs after a shot may be a little too late. I drink half my carb drink 3-5 minutes before injecting. This way when the slin hits the carbs are already there. Use an insulin syringe, they come in short and long, get the long for IM injections. I use 1ml/cc slin pins.

2. Yes, I drink my post workout carb and then protein drink. One hour later eat a meal of protein and carbs (NO FAT!!) and two hours later one more meal with protein and a small amount of carbs, also no fat in this meal. GH does increase insulin sensitivity but taking slin with GH negates that aspect of GH entirely. That is one of reason they are so synergistic, they complement them so well. The IGF-1 increase from GH and slin together is far higher then taking either of them separately.

Cool, thanks for the reply. Didnt know about long slin pins...

[td1111]

Not to go off topic here, but how is injecting slin while taking carbs different from allowing the body to release insulin normally in response to the carbs?

[Rrrrolla]

My assumption is that your body will release nowhere near 15iu of slin, that's what I take PW, others might take more or less, I seem to be getting some results with 15 though.

[MassNutrition]

1. If using this PWO protocol, take the slin/GH IM (otherwise i inject GH in the morning SubQ for fatloss). The slin and GH will hit faster but also the slin run it's course faster. VERY IMPORTANT: when using humalog and injecting IM is will hit so fast that taking your carbs after a shot may be a little too late. I drink half my carb drink 3-5 minutes before injecting

Wow, I have never taken my insulin IM. I was always told it was so unpredictable by taking it that way. Is there a benefit by taking insulin IM PWO than it is SubQ PWO? If there is, I would love to give it a try, given the guidelines you stated here...

[gustavo77]

Wow, I have never taken my insulin IM. I was always told it was so unpredictable by taking it that way. Is there a benefit by taking insulin IM PWO than it is SubQ PWO? If there is, I would love to give it a try, given the guidelines you stated here...

It is not so much that it is unpredictable when injecting slin IM as it is that slin hits much quicker IM than SubQ. I use novolog which hits fast SubQ so it would hit much faster IM. I make sure to take in about half my liquid carbs 3-5 minutes before injecting the novolg, so that when the slin hits the carbs are already there. The benefit of IM injections of slin would simply be quicker, possibly more efficient absorption and a little bit quicker clearance.

[MassNutrition]

It is not so much that it is unpredictable when injecting slin IM as it is that slin hits much quicker IM than SubQ. I use novolog which hits fast SubQ so it would hit much faster IM. I make sure to take in about half my liquid carbs 3-5 minutes before injecting the novolg, so that when the slin hits the carbs are already there. The benefit of IM injections of slin would simply be quicker, possibly more efficient absorption and a little bit quicker clearance.

Perfect. I'm a huge fan of Humalog. I think I will give the IM shots a try in this next upcoming cycle...

[Rrrrolla]

How many IU's is everyone taking? What about igf and humalog in the same pin?

[gustavo77]

How many IU's is everyone taking? What about igf and humalog in the same pin?

I started a 3iu and worked my way up to 10iu over the course of 4 workouts (ie 3, 6, 8 then 10). I take my GH and slin in the same pin but i am not sure about IGF-1 cause it contains AA. I am not sure if the delicate GH peptide can withstand being mixed with AA. Would like to know for certain too.

[bigdaddydrew123]

is there a difference using aa for igf as opposed to bs water other than its more stable. ive done igf but used bs water.

[gustavo77]

IGF-1 mixed in Bateriostatic water will only be stable for a day or two. IGF-1 mixed with AA will remain stable and potent for up to a year or more.