T3 help

[spiderman7]

How would I go about running a safe cycle of t3? Length? Dose? I have access to 50mg T3 caps only.

[AlbertaBeef]

A typical 3 week cycle would look like
Days 1-3 25mcg/day
Days 4-6 50mcg/day
Days 7-9 75mcg/day
Days 10-12 100mcg/day
Days 13-15 75mcg/day
Days 16-18 50mcg/day
Days 19-21 25mcg/day

Cytomel is a very individual drug but this is a good start. Remember to keep your protein up.

[waderow]

A typical 3 week cycle would look like
Days 1-3 25mcg/day
Days 4-6 50mcg/day
Days 7-9 75mcg/day
Days 10-12 100mcg/day
Days 13-15 75mcg/day
Days 16-18 50mcg/day
Days 19-21 25mcg/day

Cytomel is a very individual drug but this is a good start. Remember to keep your protein up.

I would think this might be a bit too hardcore of a t3 cycle.

I would say, if you're looking for safety, 50mcg in morning 30-60 minutes before meal for 3 weeks, then three weeks off. Too long, and too high of a dose affects natty levels

[spiderman7]

I would think this might be a bit too hardcore of a t3 cycle.

I would say, if you're looking for safety, 50mcg in morning 30-60 minutes before meal for 3 weeks, then three weeks off. Too long, and too high of a dose affects natty levels

No pyramiding up and down?

[Bigtred]

No pyramiding up and down?

This has been an ongoing debate FOREVER!! But myself and few other daring people have experimented with high doses of T3 as well as pyramiding and not. I can tell you from my experience only that pyramiding is not needed and that 50mcg's won't do very much either. There is still no proof anywhere that T3 can permanently affect natty levels

[AlbertaBeef]

I've ramped it up higher and stayed at 150-175mcg for over a week and stopped cold. It was reckless however I made sure and had thyroid checked, all was well but I don't recommend it. Like I said it is individual specific.

[St]

I'm on it right now i took half for the first week,then week two i'm on 50mcg for the month for my show.Did this many time in the past for all my shows.I take it 1 month on 1 month off.

[spiderman7]

Natty levels? Is everyone saying that T3 would decrease my natural test levels? If thats the case maybe I would stick with running Gh solo.

[trykillthis]

Natty levels? Is everyone saying that T3 would decrease my natural test levels? If thats the case maybe I would stick with running Gh solo.

No it would drop thyroid hormone levels, leading to decreased metabolism.

[waderow]

i have ran 50mcg in the morning 1 hour prior to eating for a 3 week on 3 weeks off protocol, and it heated me up beyond belief.
anyone says 50 doesnt do anything has bad T3

I have heard first hand accounts from people who have ****ed up their thyroids from t3 abuse. requires medication for life.

do what yo uwant, but if you want a safe t3 cycle, listen to me. you cannot argue that what i wrote is safe

[spiderman7]

i have ran 50mcg in the morning 1 hour prior to eating for a 3 week on 3 weeks off protocol, and it heated me up beyond belief.
anyone says 50 doesnt do anything has bad T3

I have heard first hand accounts from people who have ****ed up their thyroids from t3 abuse. requires medication for life.

do what yo uwant, but if you want a safe t3 cycle, listen to me. you cannot argue that what i wrote is safe

Any Pct for the thyroid during the 3 weeks? Heard of people running Gugglestones and others to support the thyroid when coming off.

[waderow]

i never did, nor have i heard of it, but not saying it is not a bad idea. we all learn something new everyday.

[spiderman7]

I was planning on running this along side some GH. Could I run Helious in between the T3
or is this two much?

[Bigtred]

i have ran 50mcg in the morning 1 hour prior to eating for a 3 week on 3 weeks off protocol, and it heated me up beyond belief.
anyone says 50 doesnt do anything has bad T3

I have heard first hand accounts from people who have ****ed up their thyroids from t3 abuse. requires medication for life.

do what yo uwant, but if you want a safe t3 cycle, listen to me. you cannot argue that what i wrote is safe

I would love to know more about the people you know who have ****ed up their thyroids from T3 . I've read countless medical journals and have yet to read anything like that. I have however, read many cases where doctors wrongly prescribed patients T3 (in those days T3 was used instead of T4) and these patients were on the T3 for many years, some in excess of 20 years at 100mcg's per day and their thyroids were right back to normal a few weeks after cessation of the T3.

I've taken 50mcg's a day and my waking temperature was less than a half a degree above normal, (to me that isn't much) and I'm pretty sure my T3 was good seeing as how it came from a local pharmacy

[Bigtred]

Raver's T-3 article


Cytomel (Mexican Cynomel) Synthetic T-3 amd Clenbuterol Stacking - A Quick Weight Loss Solution
This is to be a far from scientific article, one based, rather, in practical experience in losing weight and helping others to lose weight. We are not, on the average, concerned with obese individuals, but those who have packed on an additional 12-25 pounds beyond what was expected in a traditional steroid cycle, and the weeks beyond.

Not all of us will gain this type of weight during a cycle, but those of us who use a high protein / high calorie diet in conjunction with heavy weight lifting, accompanied by a medium to high dosed androgenic (i.e., Dianabol, Testosterone, Trenbolone (Finaplix or Component T-H)) steroid cycle, will almost always pack on an additional 6-20 pounds of pure lard. Granted that Burger King, Hooters, and Papadeux are not on the traditional bodybuilders menu, many of us are either forced, or by personal inclination, choose to indulge in calorie/fat bombs in order to provide the necessary building blocks for muscle.
Who, after all, can subsist on 3-5 protein shakes a day? I certainly can't, and from what I've seen of the advice on the boards, a Whopper or 2 every other day seems to be the prescribed regimen for gaining LBM - the prized Lean Body Mass.
Let's look at that paradigm for a moment - LBM. Sure and granted, we all seek this Holy Grail of Bodybuilding, but too many novices and mid-level bodybuilders alike sacrifice gaining pure muscle mass, in favor of gaining 2-6 pounds of LBM with a $400 - $1100 steriod cycle - all because they want to stay lean.
I might be wrong (it's been known to happen, albeit once a year or so), but if I'm going to invest that kind of dough, I want to see some by God muscle appear. In order to build the kind of muscle I expect from a cycle, I need to consume 4000 - 6000 calories a day, depending upon what I'm doing (Touch Football, Softball, or Indoor Soccer season). Those calories don't ALL go towards LBM, many (sometimes too many) go towards pure lard.
Don't get me wrong, the intensity you apply in the gym does, in fact, burn some serious fat, while at the same time channeling blood, nutrients, and the cherished PUMP to your muscles. However, if you intend to gain serious mass, and here I give kudos to the WarPig, you'll bulk and bloat.
Damnit, the bloat. We don't want to look like Beachballs, we want to look like Footballs - tight, tapered, lean in all the right places. How to eat the necessary calories, the necessary protein, the absolutely essential, energy giving Carbohydrates, without the dreaded bloat?

Here's where the first application of T-3 comes in. I won't quote any studies (there are few), but from personal experience, and the experience of those amatuer and mid-level bodybuilders I've helped, a 25-50mcg dosage of T-3, per day, will help to reduce bloating and water retention, while at the same time enhancing the effect of whatever steriod (androgenic or anabolic) the user chooses. It won't, by any means, keep the mass from piling on, but it will eliminate the dreaded moon face and the hideous stomach bloat.

The second application of T-3 is intended to quickly reduce the blubber produced by a serious mass cycle, and ALWAYS, always includes Clenbuterol. Say, for example, you've done a Raver Cycle - 2g Test, 600mg Deca, and 50-75mg Dbol a day, for 12 weeks. You've devoured 3 Cornish Game Hens at a meal, wolfed down a double Whopper with cheese, but no Mayo every other day, and forced yourself to eat spaghetti with meatballs, cottage cheese, herb-seasoned chicken breasts, pork tenderloins, meatloaf, oatmeal, grits, and eggs, eggs, eggs, tuna tuna tuna, along with 2-3 daily protein shakes.
Trust me - you're fat. You look big as shit in the mirror, but you have no abs, no separation, and no definition. The remedy?
Weigh yourself. For every pound, use 1mcg of T-3. If you weigh 180, and you look fat, use 175mcg of T-3. If you weigh 250, and you look fat, use 250mcg of T-3. Round the dosage down to the nearest 25mcg, and stack Clenbuterol at 5-12 tabs a day for 6 weeks. Follow a CKD diet, such as Body Opus or Animalobolics, do 15-20 minutes of Cardio for the first 3 weeks, and watch the fat shed.

T-3 by itself produces sweat like there's no tomorrow - you'll have wet spots under your arms, under your pecs, in the crack of your ass, and, on your forehead. You might get the shakes.
T-3, stacked with Clenbuterol, will give you all of the above mentioned sweats, along with the shakes...your hands, your legs (stairs are really a bitch), and your neck, on occasion. If you have a job like mine, where the shakes are undesirable, use a potassium supplement or eat 2-3 bananas a day, it will alleviate them.

In summary, T-3 has two uses - eliminating bloat and water retention during a cycle, and rapid weight loss after a cycle. One of the things to remember while using this drug is that it DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE between LBM and pure fat - it eats tissue, period. I used T-3 exactly twice before figuring out that it should never be used without at least 400mg of Testosterone, preferably, in dieting mode, Propionate. A post cycle regimen of 1mcg T-3 per pound of bodyweight, along with Clenbuterol and a 50-100mg / day dosage of Test Prop, will work absolute wonders.
And now, for the Raver challenge (the third in 14 months) - If anyone - ANYONE can produce scientific, verifiable evidence that synthetic T-3 (Cytomel, Cynomel) causes thyroid shutdown in humans after prolonged, high dose use - I'll send them $100. A major medical journal, a study by a top 10 ranked pharmaceutical firm, or verifiable results of a personal medical evaluation (verifiable via documentation and confirmation by the physician) are acceptable. Barring that, let's not hear any further argument about the horrible side effects of T-3

[spiderman7]

Raver's T-3 article


Cytomel (Mexican Cynomel) Synthetic T-3 amd Clenbuterol Stacking - A Quick Weight Loss Solution
This is to be a far from scientific article, one based, rather, in practical experience in losing weight and helping others to lose weight. We are not, on the average, concerned with obese individuals, but those who have packed on an additional 12-25 pounds beyond what was expected in a traditional steroid cycle, and the weeks beyond.

Not all of us will gain this type of weight during a cycle, but those of us who use a high protein / high calorie diet in conjunction with heavy weight lifting, accompanied by a medium to high dosed androgenic (i.e., Dianabol, Testosterone, Trenbolone (Finaplix or Component T-H)) steroid cycle, will almost always pack on an additional 6-20 pounds of pure lard. Granted that Burger King, Hooters, and Papadeux are not on the traditional bodybuilders menu, many of us are either forced, or by personal inclination, choose to indulge in calorie/fat bombs in order to provide the necessary building blocks for muscle.
Who, after all, can subsist on 3-5 protein shakes a day? I certainly can't, and from what I've seen of the advice on the boards, a Whopper or 2 every other day seems to be the prescribed regimen for gaining LBM - the prized Lean Body Mass.
Let's look at that paradigm for a moment - LBM. Sure and granted, we all seek this Holy Grail of Bodybuilding, but too many novices and mid-level bodybuilders alike sacrifice gaining pure muscle mass, in favor of gaining 2-6 pounds of LBM with a $400 - $1100 steriod cycle - all because they want to stay lean.
I might be wrong (it's been known to happen, albeit once a year or so), but if I'm going to invest that kind of dough, I want to see some by God muscle appear. In order to build the kind of muscle I expect from a cycle, I need to consume 4000 - 6000 calories a day, depending upon what I'm doing (Touch Football, Softball, or Indoor Soccer season). Those calories don't ALL go towards LBM, many (sometimes too many) go towards pure lard.
Don't get me wrong, the intensity you apply in the gym does, in fact, burn some serious fat, while at the same time channeling blood, nutrients, and the cherished PUMP to your muscles. However, if you intend to gain serious mass, and here I give kudos to the WarPig, you'll bulk and bloat.
Damnit, the bloat. We don't want to look like Beachballs, we want to look like Footballs - tight, tapered, lean in all the right places. How to eat the necessary calories, the necessary protein, the absolutely essential, energy giving Carbohydrates, without the dreaded bloat?

Here's where the first application of T-3 comes in. I won't quote any studies (there are few), but from personal experience, and the experience of those amatuer and mid-level bodybuilders I've helped, a 25-50mcg dosage of T-3, per day, will help to reduce bloating and water retention, while at the same time enhancing the effect of whatever steriod (androgenic or anabolic) the user chooses. It won't, by any means, keep the mass from piling on, but it will eliminate the dreaded moon face and the hideous stomach bloat.

The second application of T-3 is intended to quickly reduce the blubber produced by a serious mass cycle, and ALWAYS, always includes Clenbuterol. Say, for example, you've done a Raver Cycle - 2g Test, 600mg Deca, and 50-75mg Dbol a day, for 12 weeks. You've devoured 3 Cornish Game Hens at a meal, wolfed down a double Whopper with cheese, but no Mayo every other day, and forced yourself to eat spaghetti with meatballs, cottage cheese, herb-seasoned chicken breasts, pork tenderloins, meatloaf, oatmeal, grits, and eggs, eggs, eggs, tuna tuna tuna, along with 2-3 daily protein shakes.
Trust me - you're fat. You look big as shit in the mirror, but you have no abs, no separation, and no definition. The remedy?
Weigh yourself. For every pound, use 1mcg of T-3. If you weigh 180, and you look fat, use 175mcg of T-3. If you weigh 250, and you look fat, use 250mcg of T-3. Round the dosage down to the nearest 25mcg, and stack Clenbuterol at 5-12 tabs a day for 6 weeks. Follow a CKD diet, such as Body Opus or Animalobolics, do 15-20 minutes of Cardio for the first 3 weeks, and watch the fat shed.

T-3 by itself produces sweat like there's no tomorrow - you'll have wet spots under your arms, under your pecs, in the crack of your ass, and, on your forehead. You might get the shakes.
T-3, stacked with Clenbuterol, will give you all of the above mentioned sweats, along with the shakes...your hands, your legs (stairs are really a bitch), and your neck, on occasion. If you have a job like mine, where the shakes are undesirable, use a potassium supplement or eat 2-3 bananas a day, it will alleviate them.

In summary, T-3 has two uses - eliminating bloat and water retention during a cycle, and rapid weight loss after a cycle. One of the things to remember while using this drug is that it DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE between LBM and pure fat - it eats tissue, period. I used T-3 exactly twice before figuring out that it should never be used without at least 400mg of Testosterone, preferably, in dieting mode, Propionate. A post cycle regimen of 1mcg T-3 per pound of bodyweight, along with Clenbuterol and a 50-100mg / day dosage of Test Prop, will work absolute wonders.
And now, for the Raver challenge (the third in 14 months) - If anyone - ANYONE can produce scientific, verifiable evidence that synthetic T-3 (Cytomel, Cynomel) causes thyroid shutdown in humans after prolonged, high dose use - I'll send them $100. A major medical journal, a study by a top 10 ranked pharmaceutical firm, or verifiable results of a personal medical evaluation (verifiable via documentation and confirmation by the physician) are acceptable. Barring that, let's not hear any further argument about the horrible side effects of T-3

So can I just run some GH with that instead of the test?

[Bigtred]

What exactly are you trying to do with the T3? It's not a miracle drug it's an aid. If you just want to lose a few extra pounds then clean up your diet and get on the treadmill.

GH, why would you want to run GH? It's extremely expensive for very little returns. People run GH when they've pretty much exhausted other avenues first.

Everyone here is trying to offer you a little piece of advice, a little knowledge that they've acquired over time. The final call will be yours, just make sure you make educated decisions, and don't think that any drug will ever replace hard work and dedication.

[spiderman7]

What exactly are you trying to do with the T3? It's not a miracle drug it's an aid. If you just want to lose a few extra pounds then clean up your diet and get on the treadmill.

GH, why would you want to run GH? It's extremely expensive for very little returns. People run GH when they've pretty much exhausted other avenues first.

Everyone here is trying to offer you a little piece of advice, a little knowledge that they've acquired over time. The final call will be yours, just make sure you make educated decisions, and don't think that any drug will ever replace hard work and dedication.

I would run the GH to aid in recovery so I can train harder and longer. The added T3 would only be added if it would aid in dropping some pounds and not effect my training. Since I have changed my training to mostly increase endurance I'm concerned that some aids may hinder performance.

[Bigtred]

I would run the GH to aid in recovery so I can train harder and longer. The added T3 would only be added if it would aid in dropping some pounds and not effect my training. Since I have changed my training to mostly increase endurance I'm concerned that some aids may hinder performance.

Give us some stats;

age? how long you've been training? What are you training for? height? weight?

current cycle (if any)?

[spiderman7]

Give us some stats;

age? how long you've been training? What are you training for? height? weight?

current cycle (if any)?

40. Training off and on since I was 18. 6ft 235lbs approx 22% BF. No current cycle. Goals would be to get back my endurance I once had.

[Bigtred]

Well, not sure exactly what you mean by endurance. Endurance like to run long distance ? Endurance like to be able to train hard for a long period or higher reps? Faster recovery?

Almost all endurance relates to cardio in one way or another, if you're in good cardio shape, then you don't breathe as heavy, your blood carries more oxygen, heart doesn't have to work as hard etc etc.

I'm not sure how T3 would help except for to help you lose a few pounds which should make you less tired by carrying less weight, but it will do nothing to help your endurance.

There are some drugs that help with endurance (cyclists are known to use EPO) I doubt you want to play with that. EQ can help mildly, as can GH. Maybe some ephies, other than that it's all about diet and training. At 40, you can't expect to be just like you were at 20, but you can be close.

[fathead]

maybe im missing something but that t3 article seems rediculous.

it basically talked about hamburgers and then suggested:
250mcgs of t3 a day? 5-12 clen caps?

I do however agree that I personally have never seen a study showing thyroid shutdown.

also, I have never heard t3 plays any role in keeping water/bloat/moonface away. what pathway does this work on?