Test/EQ/Deca or Test/Deca

[kloan]

I am at week 13 of my loosy goosy cycle... started as a diet as I was priming into it.. then started a bulking diet around week 5 IIRC... put on some good weight, however I was very disappointed with what was supposed to be Tren Hex.

I have Test/Eq, Test Cyp and Deca in possession. I would really like to continue bulking, as my body only really starts to respond somewhere around week 10... so I'd like to keep going.

What I'm wondering is if I should continue with Test/Eq at 600mg/wk and add Deca into the mix at 600mg, or if I should switch to Test Cyp and Deca at 500mg/600mg respectively.

[Memo]

do you still have enough EQ for the whole run? I would lower Equitest, add test cyp to keep test at same level and add Deca.

[kloan]

Yeah, I have 60ml of the Test/Eq, 60ml of Cyp and 30ml of Deca.
So, 1cc of Test/Eq, 0.5cc of Test Cyp and 1cc of Deca (2x week)?

That would be 650mg Test, 400mg EQ and 600mg of Deca. Sound about right?

[Memo]

Yeah, I have 60ml of the Test/Eq, 60ml of Cyp and 30ml of Deca.
So, 1cc of Test/Eq x2 week, 0.5cc of Test Cyp and 1cc of Deca?

That would be 650mg Test, 400mg EQ and 600mg of Deca. Sound about right?

Yeah but I would still pin eod because 2.5cc is a lot of oil

[kloan]

Yeah but I would still pin eod because 2.5cc is a lot of oil
Yeah that's no problem for me.. I've been injecting 3cc of oil for the past 6 weeks, no issues. I'd rather not have to calculate the dosages. It's not as easy as split in half, rather 3.5... I dunno how it'd work. I'm lazy.....

[Memo]

i see what you mean.. I am pretty anal about dosage. I do shot at same time every day as well.

[PdH]

That would be 650mg Test, 400mg EQ and 600mg of Deca. Sound about right?

IMO that's too much Deca Bro. 400 is plenty to get the gains you want, with or without the EQ. You also want to keep your Test higher than Deca or you might run into Deca dick. :)

[kloan]

Hmm, it's dosed at 300mg/ml... my brain is lazy today, do you know what I would need to measure on the syringe?

If I break it down into 1/3... 100mg would be a 1/3, so I'd need 2/3 of a cc each shot to make 400mg... can I measure out 2/3 cc on a syringe? 0.66 cc or so.... I guess it doesn't have to be exact.... i'll measure it out to just above 0.6cc i guess.

so, 650mg test, 400mg eq and 400mg deca sound good?

[PdH]

Well each little line mark is 30 mg so if you take to 4 lines past 1 cc you'll have 420 mg. If you're pinning twice a week you go 7 lines. :)

[tiramisu]

Week 13? You should be thinking of getting off not stacking up.

I'd likely go test/eq only because i haven't yet but at week 13, i'd be down to just test and making sure my pct was in order.

[kloan]

you're right i should be getting ready wind down but im feeling kinda wreckless and dont want to stop. i was originally planning on going 16 weeks total, with ramping down with test only and cruising on low dose test along with var, t3 and clen... however im kinda frustrated with the tren issue and feel like i want to keep bulking a bit longer...

just how long will deca take to reach peak levels? the test and eq are already peak levels, however if i have to wait like another 6-8 weeks for the deca to kick in, maybe i should re-think things...

one other thing im wondering is if i should drop the eq altogether because of the chance of high RBC.

[PdH]

Deca works best for me after 6 weeks Bro. You might want to just continue running the test/EQ if you're going to come off in a few weeks. Save the Deca for a proper cycle. Deca is a great compound when used properly.

Why are you worried about RBC count? Blood clots?

[kloan]

Just from what I've read about EQ causing it.. and the possible risks. I have been experiencing some fatigue, headaches.. but not everyday.

Back to the Deca.. would I be nuts to front load with it?

Another reason I'd like to use Deca is for the joint support people talk about. If it could relieve my shoulder pain, even if it's temporary, and would allow me to flat bench again, that'd be worth it for me right there. I've been limited to close grip bench only because of my shoulder.

I know I'm taking a risk extending my cycle to 20 weeks or so, but I just feel like going for it. Probably stupid.. but people have done it and come out ok on the other end as long as a solid PCT was followed.

[GYMBRAT]

PdH has given ya some solid info Kloan, also imo I wouldn't use deca as a pain cover for your shoulder as it would end up worse for your shoulder in the end bro. I would def let it heal completely before tackling any exercise that will irritate it ;)

[PdH]

Tren also promotes RBC production and personally I'd be more worried about using them both together than just the EQ alone. I'm not sure what you mean by front loading the Deca. Do you mean on your next cycle, or just using high amounts for a couple of weeks on this cycle. If the latter, I don't think it would be wise. Think this through Bro, you're sounding desperate to make gains 'right now'. You know it doesn't work that way.

[kloan]

You're both right.. probably getting a little carried away because of my recent progress.

I'll keep things simple, and I'll stay away from the bench for a while longer. Gotta keep up with the broomstick.