Top 10 Deadlift mistakes by Dave Tate

[Talo]

The Top 10 Deadlift Mistakes

Mistake #1: Training the deadlift heavy all the time

Very few people can train the deadlift week after week and still make progress. I feel the only ones who can get away with this are the ones who're built to deadlift. If you're built to pull, then the stress on your system is going to be less than those who aren't built to deadlift.

The deadlift is a very demanding movement and it takes a lot to recover from. This is compounded if you're also squatting every week. The squat and deadlift train many of the same muscles and this is another reason why you don't need to train the deadlift heavy all the time. Years ago the only deadlifts I did off the floor were in meets. The rest of the time was spent training the lower back, glutes, and hamstrings. While my deadlift increased 40 pounds over the first few years, I did run into some problems with this approach.

The major problem I had was when I'd go to a meet I didn't know where to place my feet and if I got stuck I didn't know how to adjust. Since I'm not built to deadlift, these things aren't natural to me. I had to find a way to put some pulling back in the program without taxing the system. What we came up with was a session of speed deadlifts with a moderate weight pulled for five or six singles. This way the weight was heavy enough to teach good form and not too heavy to tax the system. This worked out to 45 to 50% of max to be trained after the dynamic or speed squat workout. These don't need to be done every week but should be used as the meet or test day get closer.

I still suggest letting the box squat train the deadlift muscles with dynamic squat training of eight sets of two reps in a wave-like sequence. (For squat training details, see the following articles: Periodization Bible Part II, Squatting from Head to Toe, and TNT Part II for cycles and percentages.)

Let the max-effort day be for training the heavy deadlift. Try to pull off pins, off mats, or with bands one out of every four to six max effort days. Let the other day be some type of medium or close-stance good morning or low-box squat.


Mistake #2: Pulling the shoulder blades together

This is a mistake I made for years. Stand in a deadlift stance and pull your shoulder blades together. Take a look at where your fingertips are. Now if you let your shoulders relax and even round forward a little you'll see your fingertips are much lower. This is why we teach a rounding of the upper back. First, the bar has to travel a shorter distance. Second, there's less stress on the shoulder region. It'll also help to keep your shoulder blades behind the bar. You'll read more on this later.


Mistake #3: Rounding the lower back

This is another mistake I see all the time and most lifters know better. It happens most of the time because of a weak lower back or a bad start position. While keeping your shoulders rounded you must keep your lower back arched. This will keep the shin straight and the shoulders behind the bar and keep your body in the proper position to pull big while keeping the back under minimal stress.

If you pull with a rounded back, the bar is going to drift forward away from the legs, thus putting you back into a very difficult position from which to recover. When the bar drifts forward, the weight of it will begin to work against your leverages and cause you to have a sticking point just below the knees or mid-shin level. When you pull you can either arch your back in the beginning standing position before you crouch down to pull or once you grab the bar. Either way it's important to keep the lower back arched and tight.

There are many ways to strengthen the lower back for this. Good mornings, reverse hypers, and arched back good mornings are a few. You can also use a band around your traps and feet for simulated good mornings. With this technique you only use the bands and train for higher reps (in the 20 to 30 rep range) for local muscular endurance.


Mistake #4: Not having enough air in your belly

As with most exercise you must learn how to breathe. Stand in front of a mirror and take a deep breath. Do your shoulders rise? If so, then you need to learn how to breathe. Learn to pull your air into your diaphragm. In other words, use your belly! Pull as much air into your belly as possible, then when you think you have all you can get, pull more. The deadlift isn't started by driving your feet into the floor; it's started by driving your belly into your belt and hips flexors.

One note on holding air while you pull. You do need to try and hold your air as long as possible, but this can only last for a few seconds while under strain because you'll pass out. So for a long pull, you're going to have to breathe or you'll hit the floor and people will stare. While there are several people out there who may think this is a cool thing, I disagree. It's much cooler to make the lift!

So when you reach the point where you begin to really have to fight with the weight, let out small bursts of air. Don't let it all out at one time or you'll lose torso tightness and cause the bar to drop down. By letting out small bursts you can keep your tightness, continue to pull, and lock out the weight.


Mistake #5: Not pulling the bar back

The deadlift is all about leverage and positioning. Visualize a teeter totter. What happens when the weight on one end is coming down? The other end goes up. So if your body is falling backward, what happens to the bar? It goes up! If your weight is falling forward the bar will want to stay down. So if you weigh 250 pounds and you can get your bodyweight to work for you, it would be much like taking 250 pounds off the bar. For many natural deadlifters this is a very instinctive action. For others it has to be trained.

Proper positioning is important here. If you're standing too close to the bar it'll have to come over the knee before you can pull back, thus going forward before it goes backward. If your shoulders are in front of the bar at the start of the pull, then the bar will want to go forward, not backward. If your back isn't arched the bar will also want to drift forward.

For some lifters, not being able to pull back can be a muscular thing. If you're like myself, I tend to end up with the weight on the front of my feet instead of my heels. This is a function of my quads trying to overpower the glutes and hamstrings, or the glutes and hamstrings not being able to finish the weight and shifting to the quads to complete the lift. What will happen many times is you'll begin shaking or miss the weight. To fix this problem you need to add in more glute ham raises, pull-throughs and reverse hypers.


Mistake #6: Keeping the shins too close to the bar

I'm not too sure where this started but I have a pretty good idea. Many times the taller, thinner lifters are the best pullers and they do start with the bar very close to their shins. But if you look at them from the sides they still have their shoulders behind the bar when they pull. This is just not possible to achieve with a thicker lifter.

If a thicker lifter with a large amount of body mass — be it muscle or fat — were to line the bar up with his shins, you'd see he would have an impossible time getting the shoulders behind the bar. Remember you need to pull the bar back toward you, not out and away from you. So what I believe happens is many lifters look to those who have great deadlifts to see how they pull, then try to do the same themselves. What they need to do is look to those who are built the same way they are and have great deadlifts and follow their lead.


Mistake #7: Training with multiple reps

Next time you see someone doing multiple reps on the deadlift, take note of the form of each rep. You'll see the later reps look nothing like the first. In competition you only have to pull once, so you need to learn how to develop what's known as starting strength for the deadlift. This is the strength needed to get the bar off the floor without an eccentric (negative) action before the start.

In other words, you don't lower the bar first and then lift the weight as you do with the squat and bench press. When you train with multiple reps you're beginning to develop reversal strength, which isn't needed with the deadlift.

These two reasons are enough to keep the deadlift training to singles. If you're using multiple reps with the deadlift, then stand up in between each rep and restart the lift. This way you'll be teaching the proper form and be developing the right kind of strength.


Mistake #8: Not keeping your shoulders behind the bar

You've already read this a few times in this article and it's perhaps the most important thing next to hip position in the execution of the deadlift. Your shoulders must start and stay behind the barbell when you pull deadlifts! This will keep the barbell traveling in the right direction and keep your weight going backward. The deadlift isn't an Olympic lift and shouldn't be started like one.

I did a seminar with Dr. Mel Siff at one of his Supertraining camps (one of the best investments you can ever make!) and we showed the difference between the two positions. For the Olympic lifts you want the shoulders in front of the bar; for the deadlift you want them behind the bar. Period. The amount of misinformation out there about this is incredible.




Mistake #9: Looking down

Your body will always follow your head. If you're looking down then the bar is going to want to travel forward. At the same time you don't want to look at the ceiling. Focus on an area that keeps your head in a straight up and back position with the eyes focusing on an upper area of the wall.


Mistake #10: Starting with the hips too low

This is the king of all mistakes I see. Too many times lifters try to squat the weight up rather than pull the weight. Think back to the number of times you've seen a big deadlift and thought to yourself how much more the lifter could've pulled if he didn't **** near stiff-leg it. I see it all the time. Someone will say, "Did you see his deadlift?" Then the other guy will comment, "Yeah, and he stiff-legged the thing." Am I telling you to stiff leg all your deadlifts? No, not at all.

All I want you to do is look at your hip position at the start of the lift when you pull and watch how much your hips move up before the weight begins to break the floor. This is wasted movement and does nothing except wear you out before the pull. The closer you can keep your hips to the bar when you pull, the better the leverages are going to be.

Once again, next time you see a great deadlifter, stand off to the side and watch how close his or her hips stay to the bar throughout the pull. If you're putting your ass to the floor before you pull, your hips are about a mile from the bar. You're setting yourself up for disaster when the lever arm is this long. This is also the second reason why lifters can't get the bar off the floor. (The first reason is very simple: The bar is too heavy!)

You need to find the perfect spot where your hips are close to the bar, your shoulders are behind the bar, your lower back is arched, your upper back rounded, your belly full of air, and you can pull toward your body. Nobody ever said it was going to be easy, but then again, what is? (Definitely not training in a commercial health club….)


Conclusion

After I'd discussed my pulling concepts with my new trainer friend, he was a little set back. He'd never heard these things before and didn't really know what to believe. After this I took him back out on the gym floor and started guiding him through a few deadlifts. A few corrections here and there and in no time at all he pulled 405. This wasn't an easy lift for him but he made it and with that his confidence grew.

Next, I let him in on the best training advice he'd ever hear. I told him the first thing he needed to do was spend more time under the bar and suggested he find a real gym and start training with those who were much stronger than him. The best training secrets come from the small garage gyms with very strong lifters, not the spandex driven, neon-machine warehouses. This, I told my friend, would be his introduction to the dark side, and with hard work and proper training, he may one day even enter the Dead Zone!

[tex]

nice article....

[rated_rko]

x2 good read

[O-Train]

Thanks for sharing. Sticky this for sure.

[tiramisu]

I still haven't figured out the whole shoulders behind, shoulders in front.

Rippetoe claims that centre of mass have the shoulder blades over the bar.
Tate says shoulders behind the bar.

Ripp says that bar goes straight up and down
Tate says pull the bar back.

Rip says shins touching
Tate says not (watch wss and he means when standing - so no difference here)

A guy could get confused. I don't really believe there are 2 efficient starting positions for the deadlift. I've heard people claim that the shoulders in front is the starting position for the clean so it is easier to teach one starting position but that is definitely not what ripp has written or said.

Neither ripp nor tate appear to want to address this discrapancy directly.

[waderow]

I think I pull okay, but I honestly would love to see a good video on DL.

Anyone know of any?

Unfortunately Daves video I saw sucked

[tiramisu]

rippetoes got a few decent ones on youtube but his technique recommendations are different.

i've got several of the westside videos. I'll see if I can find the relevant ones.

[tiramisu]

wss tape 3 at about 50 minutes is a visual but it from the front rather than the side and the guy lifting appears to line up the bar around mid-foot and shoulders over despite Tate claiming that it's over the toes and shoulders behind.

I need a side view.

This is it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr2_mCh2dUI&feature=player_embedded

and this is rippetoe's take
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht363HslwnM&feature=player_embedded

[tex]

so heres my take on this.....when I lift I want to move the weight as EASY as possible.....for my body-type that means sumo and pulling back and my shoulders are rounded when I lockout.....the bar never touches my shins cuz this is just not efficient for me.....to succeed in powerlifting you must lift the heaviest weight possible the easiest way possible.....get in the gym and experiment with what works for you!!!!!!!!!!

[tiramisu]

Here's a great view of Konstantinov just to confuse things further

http://www.gometal.com/videot/konstantin_deadlift_430.wmv

[tiramisu]

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[waderow]

Here's a great view of Konstantinov just to confuse things further

http://www.gometal.com/videot/konstantin_deadlift_430.wmv

hardcore

946 pounds

[Rhinobolt10]

Daves article is a little confusing for sure... take point 8 and 10... how can u have your hips at optimal height and your shoulders behind the bar at the same time? short answer is you can't if you don't have the right proportions.

I'm positive if you met Dave in person he could clear it up pretty quick, it's one of the problems with articles...

Konstantinov pulls exactly like Rippetoe would recomend except he pulls round back... but his lower back isn't all that bad.

Konstantin has done interviews where he states he couldn't pull over 700 until he started pulling round back, and he's also never had a lower back problem... tho he has had injuries in other places.

Reality is, nobody pulls a big conventional with good form... end of story. People can pull big with acceptable form, but I've never seen anyone pull a true 100% single conventional and not have their form look like complete shit.

Just keep the back static, lower back tight, shoulders slightly rounded and you're good. Sooner or later some douche that can't pull 405 is gonna run up and tell you your form is terrible... it's happened to me... but that's the game.

Sumo, is a whole different animal though... your form should look pretty good on that, and just from the position you start in, it's a lot easier.

[Rhinobolt10]

deadlifting basically frustrates the hell out of me... stuff like this comes up and ppl get all pissy when I just roll my eyes as they try to give deadlifting advice...

[btufts]

Daves article is a little confusing for sure... take point 8 and 10... how can u have your hips at optimal height and your shoulders behind the bar at the same time? short answer is you can't if you don't have the right proportions.

I'm positive if you met Dave in person he could clear it up pretty quick, it's one of the problems with articles...

Konstantinov pulls exactly like Rippetoe would recomend except he pulls round back... but his lower back isn't all that bad.

Konstantin has done interviews where he states he couldn't pull over 700 until he started pulling round back, and he's also never had a lower back problem... tho he has had injuries in other places.

Reality is, nobody pulls a big conventional with good form... end of story. People can pull big with acceptable form, but I've never seen anyone pull a true 100% single conventional and not have their form look like complete shit.

Just keep the back static, lower back tight, shoulders slightly rounded and you're good. Sooner or later some douche that can't pull 405 is gonna run up and tell you your form is terrible... it's happened to me... but that's the game.

Sumo, is a whole different animal though... your form should look pretty good on that, and just from the position you start in, it's a lot easier.


I have trouble with my deadlifting, what do you mean static? those points are a bit confusing but it makes sense from a physics side of it being the main point to pull the weight backwards with as little motion

[Talo]

The deadlift isn't an Olympic lift and shouldn't be started like one.

I did a seminar with Dr. Mel Siff at one of his Supertraining camps (one of the best investments you can ever make!) and we showed the difference between the two positions. For the Olympic lifts you want the shoulders in front of the bar; for the deadlift you want them behind the bar. Period. The amount of misinformation out there about this is incredible.



For the confusion on the sholders

[Talo]

Something I personally need to work on is standing up between sets and not just deloading. i think that will help a lot not only in form but in quantity.

[Thorgrim]

That might be something I should do as well. I used to do continuous reps until I realized that only the first rep was a "dead" lift. Now I deload between reps. It's worth a try I guess to see if standing up between reps will have benefits for me.

[waderow]

Something I personally need to work on is standing up between sets and not just deloading. i think that will help a lot not only in form but in quantity.

for power lifting training perhaps.... are you bodybuilding or powerlifting?

[tiramisu]

I have been standing up between reps and resetting each one for a few months now. I'm finding it helps my form a lot. When I was bouncing/touching the bar between reps my form would get worse with each rep.

[Talo]

for power lifting training perhaps.... are you bodybuilding or powerlifting?

I'm powerlifting.

I also think I would / will only reset if and when I train over 75-80% of my 1RM for sets. Anything under is light enough ( for me ) to just do a deload and keep good form.

[Rhinobolt10]

I have trouble with my deadlifting, what do you mean static? those points are a bit confusing but it makes sense from a physics side of it being the main point to pull the weight backwards with as little motion

Static means a fixed position, like you can have a rounded back, but it can't round further when you're lifting.

[faller]

Some great info being thrown around here.. I love this shit!!

[dremen]

Im built for pulling more then pushing it seems.

Shit right now im down to 215lbs and i can still deadlift 5 plates per side for 5-6 reps COLD yet other guys with 30 pounds on me are still huffin and puffin with 3 plates a side....lol

For shrugs i warm up with 2 plates per side then go to 3 then 4. At 4 i kill myself for a few sets then drop it back down to 2 per side and get some really good form in there doing em slow. My bench is stuck at 3 plates per side and has been for a while now so that sucks.

My entire life i've done nothing but hard labour so i think my body is more suited to powerlifting then bodybuilding? I've never really though about powerlifting much, but it seems i like it in the gym....lol

I can go in the gym cold and deadlift 5 plates per side 4-5 reps and feel fine, like no problems at all. I've never pulled anything before really and it seems it takes a lot to break me thus saying maybe im better suited as a powerlifter?

In the gym i think i have the best form for deads out of all my lifts.

Deadlifts just feel natural to me like im programed to do em or something?

[waderow]

Im built for pulling more then pushing it seems.

Shit right now im down to 215lbs and i can still deadlift 5 plates per side for 5-6 reps COLD yet other guys with 30 pounds on me are still huffin and puffin with 3 plates a side....lol

For shrugs i warm up with 2 plates per side then go to 3 then 4. At 4 i kill myself for a few sets then drop it back down to 2 per side and get some really good form in there doing em slow. My bench is stuck at 3 plates per side and has been for a while now so that sucks.

My entire life i've done nothing but hard labour so i think my body is more suited to powerlifting then bodybuilding? I've never really though about powerlifting much, but it seems i like it in the gym....lol

I can go in the gym cold and deadlift 5 plates per side 4-5 reps and feel fine, like no problems at all. I've never pulled anything before really and it seems it takes a lot to break me thus saying maybe im better suited as a powerlifter?

In the gym i think i have the best form for deads out of all my lifts.

Deadlifts just feel natural to me like im programed to do em or something?

powerlifting is bodybuilding but only doing it fat LOL

(just kidding all you ****ers who about to shit bricks)

[CanadianIron]

Good thread, all 10 points made pretty good sense to me, I expect to add some poundage to my dead with this advice.

Interesting point about starting deads off the rack, I've tried this before and starting with a negative definately makes the reps easier, going off the floor is hard. I can imagine doing reps and resetting after each one being very difficult. The first rep is always the hardest.

[dremen]

The first rep is always the hardest.

See this is where im confused when it comes to deads and squats? I can lift more weight when lifting cold when doing squats n deads, but if i do a few warm up sets with good weight i struggle when doing my max lifts.

I can start off with 5 plates a side and do 3 sets/4-6 reps then drop to 4 and repeat sets/reps then drop dow again to 3 plates/side and start going a few more reps. I then up the weight again and push out a few more sets till i get a really good back pumps. I always go off the floor and hardly ever slam the weights down.

[waderow]

See this is where im confused when it comes to deads and squats? I can lift more weight when lifting cold when doing squats n deads, but if i do a few warm up sets with good weight i struggle when doing my max lifts.

I can start off with 5 plates a side and do 3 sets/4-6 reps then drop to 4 and repeat sets/reps then drop dow again to 3 plates/side and start going a few more reps. I then up the weight again and push out a few more sets till i get a really good back pumps. I always go off the floor and hardly ever slam the weights down.

video required Dremen.

I will attempt to suck my own cock if you can walk up to 495 on the ground cold and dead lift 3 sets/4-6 reps then drop to 4 and repeat sets/reps then drop down again to 3 plates/side and start going a few more reps. I then up the weight again and push out a few more sets till you get a really good back pumps.

[natenator]

video required Dremen.

I will attempt to suck my own cock if you can walk up to 495 on the ground cold and dead lift 3 sets/4-6 reps then drop to 4 and repeat sets/reps then drop down again to 3 plates/side and start going a few more reps. I then up the weight again and push out a few more sets till you get a really good back pumps.
x2

[L3]

just make sure the camera is still recording... and you dont eat 1/4 of your shorts and not be able to prove it

[waderow]

just make sure the camera is still recording... and you dont eat 1/4 of your shorts and not be able to prove it

lol I am not going to give Dremen 2 weeks of 200mg per day Dbol to make the lift LOLOLOL

[dremen]

video required Dremen.

I will attempt to suck my own cock if you.......

As if you don't try on yer own at home everyday anyways wade.....lol

You're acting like i walk around here saying all my lift are insane and im a superhero or something when in REALITY i have just said i seem to be good at pulling rather then pushing.

I have NOTHING to prove to you and Nate bro. Shit i can't even say what my weight is without you guys asking for a pic of me on the scale.....lol

As IF i honestly give a rats ass if you believe me or not:moon

[natenator]

I pulled 1500lbs last night and I won't post a video because I don't give a rats ass whether anyone believes me or not. I know what I did!

[cog]

lol I am not going to give Dremen 2 weeks of 200mg per day Dbol to make the lift LOLOLOL

:rofl

[L3]

http://www.viddler.com/explore/failblog/videos/392/

[Talo]

video required Dremen.

I will attempt to suck my own cock if you can walk up to 495 on the ground cold and dead lift 3 sets/4-6 reps then drop to 4 and repeat sets/reps then drop down again to 3 plates/side and start going a few more reps. I then up the weight again and push out a few more sets till you get a really good back pumps.

What he said

[tiramisu]

when good threads go bad.

[C-money]

http://www.viddler.com/explore/failblog/videos/392/

OMFG that is awesome ha ha ha ha

[waderow]

http://www.viddler.com/explore/failblog/videos/392/

lololol even looks like dremen

[Rhinobolt10]

Im built for pulling more then pushing it seems.

Shit right now im down to 215lbs and i can still deadlift 5 plates per side for 5-6 reps COLD yet other guys with 30 pounds on me are still huffin and puffin with 3 plates a side....lol

For shrugs i warm up with 2 plates per side then go to 3 then 4. At 4 i kill myself for a few sets then drop it back down to 2 per side and get some really good form in there doing em slow. My bench is stuck at 3 plates per side and has been for a while now so that sucks.

My entire life i've done nothing but hard labour so i think my body is more suited to powerlifting then bodybuilding? I've never really though about powerlifting much, but it seems i like it in the gym....lol

I can go in the gym cold and deadlift 5 plates per side 4-5 reps and feel fine, like no problems at all. I've never pulled anything before really and it seems it takes a lot to break me thus saying maybe im better suited as a powerlifter?

In the gym i think i have the best form for deads out of all my lifts.

Deadlifts just feel natural to me like im programed to do em or something?


Dude, all that means is that you have a short torso and long arms down to your knees or something.

Makes pulling easy and benching pretty hard, as you don't have to pull as far as someone with regular or short arms, but when it comes to benching you have to press it further than most.

The squat's the one that tells the true story, like if you're still squatting 315 then you're built to pull.

Actually me and another guy who's pulled 700+ and a couple other 600 pullers actually lost to this kid in a jeep deadlift... the kids pr deadlift was low 400s. He was just on the short side, with arms to his knees and literally lifted the jeep 2 inches to lockout... it was pretty funny actually.

And warm ups are funny... I used to freak out during strongman comps where the only piece of warm up equipment was a 135 pound barbell, then you've gotta stroll up and deadlift 250 a hand farmers and take a run... but it's not that bad.

[tex]

dremen is gonna leave his colon on the floor when he tries to squat 500 with no warmup......vids please....

[monkey]

Im built for pulling more then pushing it seems.

Shit right now im down to 215lbs and i can still deadlift 5 plates per side for 5-6 reps COLD yet other guys with 30 pounds on me are still huffin and puffin with 3 plates a side....lol

For shrugs i warm up with 2 plates per side then go to 3 then 4. At 4 i kill myself for a few sets then drop it back down to 2 per side and get some really good form in there doing em slow. My bench is stuck at 3 plates per side and has been for a while now so that sucks.

My entire life i've done nothing but hard labour so i think my body is more suited to powerlifting then bodybuilding? I've never really though about powerlifting much, but it seems i like it in the gym....lol

I can go in the gym cold and deadlift 5 plates per side 4-5 reps and feel fine, like no problems at all. I've never pulled anything before really and it seems it takes a lot to break me thus saying maybe im better suited as a powerlifter?

In the gym i think i have the best form for deads out of all my lifts.

Deadlifts just feel natural to me like im programed to do em or something?

You'd simply be lifting such a ton of weight/reps for your body weight that you should be SOO proud and simply post a vid. Nobody would laugh at you if you do this.. its just a good ( wel the cold part is dumb) test of strenght... and if you can do it... then post it!!
Seriously... there should be no reason why you dont post this vid if you can;t do it.. or???

I want to see a video as well....

[faller]

when good threads go bad.

Yup, no ****ing surprices there.

[CanadianIron]

Im built for pulling more then pushing it seems.

Shit right now im down to 215lbs and i can still deadlift 5 plates per side for 5-6 reps COLD yet other guys with 30 pounds on me are still huffin and puffin with 3 plates a side....lol

For shrugs i warm up with 2 plates per side then go to 3 then 4. At 4 i kill myself for a few sets then drop it back down to 2 per side and get some really good form in there doing em slow. My bench is stuck at 3 plates per side and has been for a while now so that sucks.

My entire life i've done nothing but hard labour so i think my body is more suited to powerlifting then bodybuilding? I've never really though about powerlifting much, but it seems i like it in the gym....lol

I can go in the gym cold and deadlift 5 plates per side 4-5 reps and feel fine, like no problems at all. I've never pulled anything before really and it seems it takes a lot to break me thus saying maybe im better suited as a powerlifter?

In the gym i think i have the best form for deads out of all my lifts.

Deadlifts just feel natural to me like im programed to do em or something?

Impressive but like the OP states, you should be going dead after every rep. There is a guy at my gym with a pretty thick build and he'll walk up and dead 5-6 plates without much of warmup, so I know you can do it. However there is something seriously up when you can lift more cold then warmed up. You should be doing a couple warm up reps and going for more weight if you're just throwing 500lbs around like its nothing. IMO, you lift 500lbs like most people lift 225, so I would expect 1rms in the 700+ range from you. Unless that is you're BSing, or you were talking about 25lb plates.

If you want credibility on this site, you either post vids are dont post bs numbers.

[Talo]

dremen is gonna leave his colon on the floor when he tries to squat 500 with no warmup......vids please....

Deadlift that is. :)

[O-Train]

Impressive but like the OP states, you should be going dead after every rep. There is a guy at my gym with a pretty thick build and he'll walk up and dead 5-6 plates without much of warmup, so I know you can do it. However there is something seriously up when you can lift more cold then warmed up. You should be doing a couple warm up reps and going for more weight if you're just throwing 500lbs around like its nothing. IMO, you lift 500lbs like most people lift 225, so I would expect 1rms in the 700+ range from you. Unless that is you're BSing, or you were talking about 25lb plates.

If you want credibility on this site, you either post vids are dont post bs numbers.

700+?

Welcome to Fantasy Island.

[waderow]

here are pics of the guy who cold walks up to 500 and dead lifts 3 sets for 6, then drop sets to 405,315 and walks out of the gym (assumed)

[CanadianIron]

700+?

Welcome to Fantasy Island.

Im not saying I believe he can, Im just saying, a guy who can walk up to 500lbs cold and do 3 sets of 6 reps should have a 1rm between 6-700lbs.

[O-Train]

Im not saying I believe he can, Im just saying, a guy who can walk up to 500lbs cold and do 3 sets of 6 reps should have a 1rm between 6-700lbs.

I know what you mean. Although once you start getting up in weight adding 100lbs makes a big difference. It would depend a lot on how the person trains. I doubt he could pull 600.

[waderow]

I know what you mean. Although once you start getting up in weight adding 100lbs makes a big difference. It would depend a lot on how the person trains. I doubt he could pull 600.

I doubt he can pull 405 for 6

[C-money]

I know what you mean. Although once you start getting up in weight adding 100lbs makes a big difference. It would depend a lot on how the person trains. I doubt he could pull 600.

Right now im pulling 495 10 to 11 reps, 6-8 touch n go, then the last few i have to regrip and pause at the bottom, my max dead is 600 or slightly over right now.. once you start getting up to even 500, the extra 100 is a HUGE difference.. and no way in hell would i try and do 495 cold, even with the ability to do it 10 or more times

[Dallas Hogan]

So............is there going to be a vid or no? WTF?

[tex]

bump for vids of the master-puller at work ;)

[natenator]

bump for vids of the master-puller at work ;)
I love you

[tex]

lmao....

[Talo]

He wont post one and who cares after listening to him talk I know he's full of it.

[CanadianIron]

I hate e-staters, there are members you can just take their word for, and their are members you can't. Dremen is a cant now... I dont see the problem getting the video, everyone called me out and I posted a vid within 2-3 days, took like 15 seconds to do it.

[tex]

bumping for vids has become a moot point but i still want to see the stone cold deadlifter at work ;)

[natenator]

funny how Dremen has suddenly disappeared from this thread :D

[buildinthaskinnys]

I dont even know why I care to post this, but dremen claims to pull close to 2.5x his body weight which is pretty damn good, but not spectacular, anyone that trains hard should easily be able to pull 2x body weight and if one is dedicated 2.5x is not that far out of reach, its 3x and up that is elusive, few people can claim to do this. I trained the dead lift hard for 10 months from the beginning of last year and maxed out at 405 for 5 and that is when I weighed 180 (p.s. Im fatter now) If you use the 1 rm calculator this translated to a hypothetical 2.5x bodyweight, but I burnt out hard, I deadlifted too much and started to degress, I dont think I was training my back enough, I did zercher squats and box squats to beat hell but I should have been doing more goodmornings And on top of that I wasnt training consistently for a number of months before due to work, I could have been just out of shape I dont know. If anyone wants to call me out on this be prepared to put your money where your mouth is.:moon

[Millennium Drop]

OMFG that is awesome ha ha ha ha

That is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time!

[Talo]

Sure but everyone is built different.

I'm 240 lbs ( currently cutting and dropping ) and I struggle at 520-30lbs . Just having a hard time getting my numbers up. I've done 535 once.

I'm not on any close to what Dreman is taking , but still. If he's going to post some numbers then take a video.

[buildinthaskinnys]

Sure but everyone is built different.

I'm 240 lbs ( currently cutting and dropping ) and I struggle at 520-30lbs . Just having a hard time getting my numbers up. I've done 535 once.

I'm not on any close to what Dreman is taking , but still. If he's going to post some numbers then take a video.

Of course Talo,
But you are not far off, once you lose a bit more weight it will become easyier as your leverage increases.

My deadlift is great but everything else sucks, I pulled 405 for 5 but at the same time I was benching 225 for 1 or 2 lol, something is wrong when you deadlift twice as much as you bench lol, as I have gotten heavier, my bench has gone up, but I haven pulled seriously for a long time so time will tell in that area.

[tex]

Of course Talo,
But you are not far off, once you lose a bit more weight it will become easyier as your leverage increases.

My deadlift is great but everything else sucks, I pulled 405 for 5 but at the same time I was benching 225 for 1 or 2 lol, something is wrong when you deadlift twice as much as you bench lol, as I have gotten heavier, my bench has gone up, but I haven pulled seriously for a long time so time will tell in that area. good mornings from the bottom position. good mornings for a rep record. seated good mornings. good mornings with the cambered bar.....rotate them every week with box squats, front box squats, zercher squats, cambered bar box squats etc........hammer those every week and i bet you pull 3x bodyweight

[buildinthaskinnys]

good mornings from the bottom position. good mornings for a rep record. seated good mornings. good mornings with the cambered bar.....rotate them every week with box squats, front box squats, zercher squats, cambered bar box squats etc........hammer those every week and i bet you pull 3x bodyweight

These are things I want to be doing now, I never thought of cambered bar goodmornings though thanks, unfortunately my back has been all "brawled" up and this is leaving me feel very shitty, I loved training the deadlift, and I did well even though I wasnt training very intelligently, as I noted before I think I was deadlifting too much. last workout I did squats oly style and some leg presses and ham curls and felt fine, this last workout today, not so good, 5 minutes into the warmup I got a headache then before I even started my set my left side of my lower back pinched up, the trooper that I am, I performed a set and while I did set a pr for reps, could not countinue on with the rest of the workout ended up doing two sets of seated gm's in agony, slogged out a set of ham curls that I had to trade out for the multiple sets of gm's I was going to do but couldnt. fun times. Bench day is next, funny thing I traded bench day for squats and deads as my favorite day because of my back and now my bench is going up and up (yeah right).:bch

[Talo]

good mornings from the bottom position. good mornings for a rep record. seated good mornings. good mornings with the cambered bar.....rotate them every week with box squats, front box squats, zercher squats, cambered bar box squats etc........hammer those every week and i bet you pull 3x bodyweight

I'm going to be putting this to the test. Since my knee/tendon is messed up it's hard for me to dead proper with lockout and all. I've always heard from the Elite guys that you don't have to deadlift to increase your deadlift. GM's will now replace my ME dead days until I'm better.

[dremen]

Of course Talo,
But you are not far off, once you lose a bit more weight it will become easyier as your leverage increases.

My deadlift is great but everything else sucks, I pulled 405 for 5 but at the same time I was benching 225 for 1 or 2 lol, something is wrong when you deadlift twice as much as you bench lol, as I have gotten heavier, my bench has gone up, but I haven pulled seriously for a long time so time will tell in that area.

This is what im talking about bro. Im by NO means a huge guy and my bench/squat suck weight wise, but i can pull up a lot of weight off the floor. Im really good at that one lift, JUST that one lift and people can't even let me have that and feel good about myself.

Im pulling more weight now @215lbs then when i was 235lbs AND im just on test/masteron compared to the cocktail i was on before, but then again @235lbs it was REALLY hard to breath after the 20 minute mark.

And if everyone want's to see a vid i guess i will buy some weights one day soon and do it in my basement cause there is NO way in hell im going to take a vid at my gym....and the reason for that is because there are ALREADY enough people in my town who know my buisness because of the ****ing ex-gf so a vid to back that up is NOT what i need right now.

If people here can't understand my situation and would have me risk my personal life just for a stupid vid then they can piss off....lol

There is nothing i would love more then to make people here eat there ****ing words:) BOO HOO, dremen has a good deadlift.....get over it.

[CanadianIron]

Its a lot easier to make a cell phone vid at the gym rather than purchasing $500 of weights to make the vid at home... if people in your town dont respect you, than who cares.

I perched a camera on a barbell at my gym it took all of 30 seconds to make a vid, no one noticed. If you do 3 sets of deadlifts, all you have to do is hide the camera somewhere and go through your sets, shouldnt take more than 10 mins and you can speed up the time between sets.

[dremen]

Its a lot easier to make a cell phone vid at the gym rather than purchasing $500 of weights to make the vid at home...

This is true i will give u that, but last thing i need to happen is for me to lose my new job because i posted a vid. I will get one up soon, in the meantime i will try and get my max up a bit more just to shut people up for good.

What do i have to do to make this vid count CanadianIron? 5 plates per side for how many reps, 4 plates per side for hom many reps??? I would like to know so i can give exactly what is asked for.

Thanks.

[CanadianIron]

I can start off with 5 plates a side and do 3 sets/4-6 reps then drop to 4 and repeat sets/reps then drop dow again to 3 plates/side and start going a few more reps. I then up the weight again and push out a few more sets till i get a really good back pumps. I always go off the floor and hardly ever slam the weights down.



Id like to see this^

Its hard to prove you didnt do warm up sets, but we can get past that. We dont know what your face looks like so dont post it in the vid, just film from the side/back and wear a hat. Finger the camera between sets and we'll know its you :friday

[dremen]

Id like to see this^

Its hard to prove you didnt do warm up sets, but we can get past that. We dont know what your face looks like so dont post it in the vid, just film from the side/back and wear a hat. Finger the camera between sets and we'll know its you :friday

Ok bro.

I MIGHT try and post a vid of my bench as well to get some feedback from u guys about my form or how i can improve it.

[cog]

*

[Talo]

And if everyone want's to see a vid i guess i will buy some weights one day soon and do it in my basement cause there is NO way in hell im going to take a vid at my gym....

Who gives a **** what they think. If they say anything ( which I don't think they will ) you say it's because you want to check out your form and make improvements and you think they should do the samething.

[Dallas Hogan]

WOW! what's the big deal about filming a lift?

[dremen]

WOW! what's the big deal about filming a lift?

What's the big deal asshole is i ALREADY lost a good job because people found out i use gear and if you think im going to lose the job i have right now for some ****ing stupid video for some stupid ****ing assholes who need to see it to believe it then you are WRONG sir.

Im in a small town and with my luck chances are someone will notice my gym and who I am and then dremen is connected to ME in reality and in NO way do i need that kind of heat right now.

Give me a month and i will have 600'lbs worth of weights in the basement and a vid to shut you ****s up. Honestly i CAN'T believe you assholes would have me risk my livelyhood for some ****ing video. **** you guys man......i will do 495lbs for 8 reps then 315 for 6 reps then 405 for 20 reps with no more then 30 seconds between lifts THEN pull 500 for 3 sets @3 reps.

P.s. If you can't deadlift 500lbs COLD you ****ing suck ass. God FORBID i can lift anything more then you guys.

I hope you ****ers choke on yer own words. ****ing lil kids man....

[tex]

i will do 495lbs for 8 reps then 315 for 6 reps then 405 for 20 reps with no more then 30 seconds between lifts THEN pull 500 for 3 sets @3 reps.

i think that you are gonna have to ban yourself from the site cuz theres no chance that you are gonna pull 405 for 20 after those other pulls......

[buildinthaskinnys]

i think that you are gonna have to ban yourself from the site cuz theres no chance that you are gonna pull 405 for 20 after those other pulls......

Yeh dremen, stick to the 500 lb pull for reps and leave it at that, or else this might happen to you.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af5_1259891015&c=1

[waderow]

Ha ha
Dremen. U prob got fired cause ur a moron. Not roids

[C-money]

i live in a small town.. people assume im juice up big time.. i make vids.. people usually stand around and watch a big lift... i fail to see the problem here lol

[natenator]

What's the big deal asshole is i ALREADY lost a good job because people found out i use gear and if you think im going to lose the job i have right now for some ****ing stupid video for some stupid ****ing assholes who need to see it to believe it then you are WRONG sir.

Im in a small town and with my luck chances are someone will notice my gym and who I am and then dremen is connected to ME in reality and in NO way do i need that kind of heat right now.

Give me a month and i will have 600'lbs worth of weights in the basement and a vid to shut you ****s up. Honestly i CAN'T believe you assholes would have me risk my livelyhood for some ****ing video. **** you guys man......i will do 495lbs for 8 reps then 315 for 6 reps then 405 for 20 reps with no more then 30 seconds between lifts THEN pull 500 for 3 sets @3 reps.

P.s. If you can't deadlift 500lbs COLD you ****ing suck ass. God FORBID i can lift anything more then you guys.

I hope you ****ers choke on yer own words. ****ing lil kids man....
I personally think you should have said to your former boss when he accused you... "does THIS look like the body of someone who uses steroids?"

If we can't tell your on and you've posted pics how the **** would the common person think it?

[O-Train]

I used rack pulls for my ME Squat Day. Need a new exercise for this rotation. I have trouble with the weight off the floor so I was thinking pulling from a deficit. Thoughts?

Note: I don't have any bands or chains so I can't do any exercises involving them.

[ironwill]

i live in a small town.. people assume im juice up big time.. i make vids.. people usually stand around and watch a big lift... i fail to see the problem here lol

I see your point........BUT, ill speak for myself and a guy that had to dress according to a certain code because some folks felt intimidated at work that worked on my crew...It is a reality, and it does suck...Not sure if you are in a management position, but everything truly changes when not in an hourly role, judgement becomes a problem and when in a small town it is a bigger problem, especially if in a union environment and have to deal with performance issues, anything and everything gets thrown at you by union exec when you are trying to curb an issue...or set expectations that need to be delivered upon and you hold your workers accountable..........
CC was accused of using steroids in the gym by a jealous bitch that she blew away in contest, and she is in a management position and it got back to work and we were questioned by peers...LMAO....I have been accused several times, and dress way down at work, everyone knows im a big bitch, no-one knows what it looks like ...except a few times ive been up town and then you hear about it...lol
People are generally ignorant, My company just brought in drug testing for certain incidents, and CC had to deliver it to the hourly and management folks, Guys get scared and then want steroids to be tested for as well...lol...slowly you see all heads turn toward me when mentioned...Seriously most folk are clueless about the hormone subject and thinking your an addict rager if using....Now me bringing a camera in to the redneck gym i go to would make the front page....Guaranteed, and then id be a roid raged, egotistical ass hole recordin himself....lol....
Perception is reality, and unil i experienced many moves myself to many communities did i truly start to see it, in my hometown i am known and accepted, most people dont understand the Harassment and predjudice some of us face daily...
I seiously had to wear loose fitting dress shirts at one of the last places i worked as there were to many complaints of intimidation when wearing a t-shirt type fit shirt....I quit 4 months later...But its absolutely real...

On the other hand, i really dont think a snow shovelling company would pinch a snowshoveller for juicing, maybe a raise should be given in such instance...lol.....;)

[C-money]

and i thought my gym was redneck IW lol.. all i would say is your filming just to check your form on your big lifts.. but either way that situation would suck

[buildinthaskinnys]

I used rack pulls for my ME Squat Day. Need a new exercise for this rotation. I have trouble with the weight off the floor so I was thinking pulling from a deficit. Thoughts?

Note: I don't have any bands or chains so I can't do any exercises involving them.

Pull off a box 4 inches (or so) off the floor, it will build the start and finish.

[Adonis13]

this thread has a lot of good feedback, question for bodybuilders. when i do my deads i don't let the weight touch the floor, i come to about 1-2 inches, when i go real heavy maybe 3 inches from the floor. i guess in my head i have it ingrained that time under tension is paramount. does anyone else do this or warm up like this? i havent seen anyone do it yet, but noone deadlifts at my gym really either. some feedback would be great from powerlifters too i guess, maybe if you do it to warm up?

[tiramisu]

Time under tension is a secondary concept to increasing the weight with good form.

You can pump light weights for an infinite amount of time and not get bigger or stronger.

Time under tension within the context of a correct lift is significant BUT it is dependent on your work capacity. Somewhere between 80% & 100% of your 1RM is going to be an optimal weight that provides strength increases and myofibral hypertrophy. For most of us that's somewhere between the 5 and 12 rep range.

Time under tension is important when you are lifting within a constructive stimulus range. If you don't apply adequate volume within the contructive stimulus range then you are not stimulating as many fibres as possible. Depending on the percentage of 1RM and training level (elite athletes can use their strength more effectively) the Time under tension, reps, will vary from just a few to 20 rep widow makers. For me effective TUT equates to around 15-20 working reps within the deadlift. Any more requires that I lift ineffective weight or crushes my recovery ability.


The idea of partial deadlifts to affect time under tension is not an appropriate application of the concept. If you like partial deadlifts as an exercise then that is certainly your choice but personally I like to work the whole range of a movement.

[O-Train]

Pull off a box 4 inches (or so) off the floor, it will build the start and finish.

I was thinking something along those lines. Or maybe good mornings and start at the bottom. I just got finished reading a couple articles that have helped with my decision but I'll post them in a different thread.

[dremen]

I see your point........BUT, ill speak for myself and a guy that had to dress according to a certain code because some folks felt intimidated at work that worked on my crew...It is a reality, and it does suck...Not sure if you are in a management position, but everything truly changes when not in an hourly role, judgement becomes a problem and when in a small town it is a bigger problem, especially if in a union environment and have to deal with performance issues, anything and everything gets thrown at you by union exec when you are trying to curb an issue...or set expectations that need to be delivered upon and you hold your workers accountable..........
CC was accused of using steroids in the gym by a jealous bitch that she blew away in contest, and she is in a management position and it got back to work and we were questioned by peers...LMAO....I have been accused several times, and dress way down at work, everyone knows im a big bitch, no-one knows what it looks like ...except a few times ive been up town and then you hear about it...lol
People are generally ignorant, My company just brought in drug testing for certain incidents, and CC had to deliver it to the hourly and management folks, Guys get scared and then want steroids to be tested for as well...lol...slowly you see all heads turn toward me when mentioned...Seriously most folk are clueless about the hormone subject and thinking your an addict rager if using....Now me bringing a camera in to the redneck gym i go to would make the front page....Guaranteed, and then id be a roid raged, egotistical ass hole recordin himself....lol....
Perception is reality, and unil i experienced many moves myself to many communities did i truly start to see it, in my hometown i am known and accepted, most people dont understand the Harassment and predjudice some of us face daily...
I seiously had to wear loose fitting dress shirts at one of the last places i worked as there were to many complaints of intimidation when wearing a t-shirt type fit shirt....I quit 4 months later...But its absolutely real...

On the other hand, i really dont think a snow shovelling company would pinch a snowshoveller for juicing, maybe a raise should be given in such instance...lol.....;)


No they might not fire me, but i can't take that chance right now bro. I need to eat right and if i lose this job im in big trouble.

Your reply was nothing short of awesome bro. Im glad u can understand big or not people will STILL think shit and when roids are mentioned people DO get scared and think we might go on a killing spree er something in a fit of roid rage.

It's not fair at all as people in my town constantly drink n drive, beat there wifes and children and get stabbed in the daytime, but that's nothing i guess where as if u use steroids OMFG BEWARE!!!!!

[Dallas Hogan]

Post the ****ing video "super tuff"

[natenator]

Post the ****ing video "super tuff"
he's not going to. He's a lying douche.

[Dallas Hogan]

Ahhh one of those guys eh? He should put up or shut up! However, I really loved the way he snapped a few posts back. It really made my day, I havent laughed like that in a long time.:laugh

[Dallas Hogan]

What's the big deal asshole is i ALREADY lost a good job because people found out i use gear and if you think im going to lose the job i have right now for some ****ing stupid video for some stupid ****ing assholes who need to see it to believe it then you are WRONG sir.

Im in a small town and with my luck chances are someone will notice my gym and who I am and then dremen is connected to ME in reality and in NO way do i need that kind of heat right now.

Give me a month and i will have 600'lbs worth of weights in the basement and a vid to shut you ****s up. Honestly i CAN'T believe you assholes would have me risk my livelyhood for some ****ing video. **** you guys man......i will do 495lbs for 8 reps then 315 for 6 reps then 405 for 20 reps with no more then 30 seconds between lifts THEN pull 500 for 3 sets @3 reps.

P.s. If you can't deadlift 500lbs COLD you ****ing suck ass. God FORBID i can lift anything more then you guys.

I hope you ****ers choke on yer own words. ****ing lil kids man....

This was the post I was refering to incase anyone missed it. Can you say: ****TARD? By the way, I deal with kids like you everyday in my field of work and by the sounds of it you have a lot of inner anger you need to work on. WEIRDO

[natenator]

This was the post I was refering to incase anyone missed it. Can you say: ****TARD? By the way, I deal with kids like you everyday in my field of work and by the sounds of it you have a lot of inner anger you need to work on. WEIRDO
lolol.

you make me giggle.

By the way, I think Dremen is in his 30's...

[waderow]

lolol.

you make me giggle.

By the way, I think Dremen is in his 30's...

I peg him at 20 or 21. Still thinks you need to talk big to be big.

[waderow]

all I know is if he could pull those numbers there would be a video up because he would need to brag. There will never be a video

Dremen doesnt know what it feels like to have 500 in your hands on ANY lift. It is a whole new world from the 225 he is used to

[tex]

lmao.....i think his mouth cut a check that went nsf.....

[Talo]

$75 service charge , lol !

[Diesel_250]

all I know is if he could pull those numbers there would be a video up because he would need to brag. There will never be a video

Dremen doesnt know what it feels like to have 500 in your hands on ANY lift. It is a whole new world from the 225 he is used to


So true. I say be proud of your accomplishment for what they are. I don't understand why people go around saying I can do this or I can do that but have no proof to back it up. I have a vid out there of a 455 deadlift, its all I got but it is a PR for me. I don't go around saying I can pull this or that to make myself look like Da Man when I'm not.

[natenator]

all I know is if he could pull those numbers there would be a video up because he would need to brag. There will never be a video

Dremen doesnt know what it feels like to have 500 in your hands on ANY lift. It is a whole new world from the 225 he is used to
Some people haven't learned that this sport is not about what someone else does or did. It's about what you do and are doing - your progression.

When I see guys in the gym trying to lift more than I know they can I tell them to lower the weight, focus on form and forget who is around. In here the only barometer or success is the one you see in the mirror looking back at you. No one cares about what you lift so you shouldn't care about what someone else lifts. Just do your thing, do it right and you'll get stronger and progress.

People have way to big of an ego.

[Diesel_250]

Some people haven't learned that this sport is not about what someone else does or did. It's about what you do and are doing - your progression.

When I see guys in the gym trying to lift more than I know they can I tell them to lower the weight, focus on form and forget who is around. In here the only barometer or success is the one you see in the mirror looking back at you. No one cares about what you lift so you shouldn't care about what someone else lifts. Just do your thing, do it right and you'll get stronger and progress.

People have way to big of an ego.

Very well put Nate.

[519Muscle]

Some people haven't learned that this sport is not about what someone else does or did. It's about what you do and are doing - your progression.

When I see guys in the gym trying to lift more than I know they can I tell them to lower the weight, focus on form and forget who is around. In here the only barometer or success is the one you see in the mirror looking back at you. No one cares about what you lift so you shouldn't care about what someone else lifts. Just do your thing, do it right and you'll get stronger and progress.

People have way to big of an ego.

Some really good points in their...I found out the hard way about 8moths ago i suffered a lower back lumbar strain while dl the worst pain i have ever experienced. Now before every workout i leave my ego at the door...

[beretta96]

Some really good points in their...I found out the hard way about 8moths ago i suffered a lower back lumbar strain while dl the worst pain i have ever experienced. Now before every workout i leave my ego at the door...

I think I did what you mentioned yesterday. I was doing dl's and was reviewing this thread to see if I followed the points at the beginning. I'm not really in pain, just very tender this morning and if I move a certain way it pinches. Lesson learned, LEAVE EGO AT HOME!

[Max 750]

Good info

[Maria]

Great thread at the beginning!!! I was just talking to my training partner a few days ago about deadlifting and about technique.

Then this thread started going bad with dremen telling everyone how he can deadlift so much cold. It was rather amusing really.

Then I read another thread about metalchick doing a pr with a video and the comment that dremen left on how to correct her form. dremen, you've got some nerve to sit there and tell her how to correct her form on a PR when you won't post a video. Yeah, yeah I read the crap about you possibly losing your job if you post a video blah, blah, blah. If I was metalchick I would be telling you where to go. :D

Sorry dremen I know I don't know you but that just burns me when someone does crap like that. She didn't ask for your critic. She did a great job so leave it at that!

[CanadianIron]

I love how quickly people pick up on Dremen being full of shit... its just that obvious.

[Talo]

LMAO !!

[waderow]

you guys should pay the dude some respect..... he warms up with your max afterall

[CanadianIron]

I warmup with his bench 1rm, in each arm.

[waderow]

I warmup with his bench 1rm, in each arm.

lol so do I probably

[Talo]

you guys should pay the dude some respect..... he warms up with your max afterall


Very true

[Adonis13]

so is there really no one here whose read this thread that doesn't let the weight touch the floor?

[tiramisu]

so is there really no one here whose read this thread that doesn't let the weight touch the floor?

I read this 3 times and I'm still not sure I've parsed it correctly.

Is there someone here who let's the weight touch the floor?

or

Is the someone here who doesn't let the weight touch the floor?


I need a linguist.

[Adonis13]

im asking if anyone does a deadlift and keeps the weight 2 inches from the floor?

[ironwill]

im asking if anyone does a deadlift and keeps the weight 2 inches from the floor?

Me......I never touch the floor, and i get peeved at the 145 lbers that lift and drop it to the floor...It takes all my might and patience to not wrap the barbell around their necks.....Nothing worse than psyching up for a big lift and some dipshit behind you slamming 2 -45 lb plates/side down to the ground and then lifting them up again....Like they just did 500 lbs....
Then they peacock strut around and see who is looking...

[waderow]

I touch the floor.

lightly (ironwill :P)

[waderow]

BTW....where is dremens video?

****... where is dremen?

[Talo]

I touch the floor . I am starting to reset my self on every lift now.

[natenator]

I touch the floor . I am starting to reset my self on every lift now.
ditto and **** anyone who gets pissy with me touching the floor.

[C-money]

i do a combo of full resets.. touch n go, stop before touching the floor.. its good to do all variations

[ironwill]

ditto and **** anyone who gets pissy with me touching the floor.

bwahahahaha.......Touching is one thing, slamming is idiotic, not sure where you would fit in.....

[waderow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGDrV_2ehI

[Talo]

"Could not load video "

[Adonis13]

"Could not load video "

don't try lol

[Talo]

Lol , now I'm curious .

[tex]

bwahahahaha.......Touching is one thing, slamming is idiotic, not sure where you would fit in..... i let it fall.....my hands are still on the bar for appearances but they are just providing a bit of resistance.....if my gym had a lifting platform id just drop it and step back.....

[ironwill]

i let it fall.....my hands are still on the bar for appearances but they are just providing a bit of resistance.....if my gym had a lifting platform id just drop it and step back.....

figured....:)

[tex]

figured....:)

:sexy

[ironwill]

:sexy

smooches:shock

[waderow]

you guys who drop the bar.... you do not see any benefit to the negative aspect of the lift?

[tiramisu]

I don't see much benefit to the injury involved in a negative with a heavy deadlift.

[waderow]

I don't see much benefit to the injury involved in a negative with a heavy deadlift.

??? could you explain how the negative will injure you?

[tiramisu]

I use deadlift as a strength exercise. Triples, doubles and singles. I can't maintain good form on the negative and it screws with my lower and mid back.

It also gives me a back pump and makes it difficult for me to focus on strength.


I focus on the negative with my romanian deadlifts when I'm trying to tire out my hams and lower back on purpose.

[tex]

negative wastes my energy.....cuz after i pull i will be doing heavy pull throughs or ghr or kettlebell swings.....id rather save my energy to maximize my assistance lifts.....

[waderow]

I would think that:

1. you should not be training to max every time you do dead lift, and those days you are not, you should be doing controlled positive and negative

2. negative aspect of working out should not be considered a waste of energy. I think it may be as important as the positive. I have read many articles that state the negative is what really builds muscle.

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8s17YIbSY this guy can control 837 pounds. Just sayin

4. save the dropping of the bar for the PL competition date

[tiramisu]

1. I deadlift once every 3 weeks so I see no problem with it being my max effort day.
Controlled negative on max effort day - I think not.

2. I'm pretty sure both tex and I stated this is a strength exercise for us rather than a bodybuilding exercise.

3. Konstantinov rocks like Maiden!

4. I personally don't drop the bar as it scares too many people and might ruin the bar but it's going down and I'm not going to fight for any kind of negative.

IF you are using deadlifts as a bodybuilding exercise then you have a point. Using 60-80% of you max and reps in the 12-15 range might very well make sense BUT...
I have other exercises for that. For ME the Deadlift and the Squat are STRENGTH exercises. Meanwhile I treat the Bench press as a bodybuilding exercise. Go figure.

[waderow]

1. I deadlift once every 3 weeks so I see no problem with it being my max effort day.
Controlled negative on max effort day - I think not.

2. I'm pretty sure both tex and I stated this is a strength exercise for us rather than a bodybuilding exercise.

3. Konstantinov rocks like Maiden!

4. I personally don't drop the bar as it scares too many people and might ruin the bar but it's going down and I'm not going to fight for any kind of negative.

IF you are using deadlifts as a bodybuilding exercise then you have a point. Using 60-80% of you max and reps in the 12-15 range might very well make sense BUT...
I have other exercises for that. For ME the Deadlift and the Squat are STRENGTH exercises. Meanwhile I treat the Bench press as a bodybuilding exercise. Go figure.

I suppose you have your logic behind it, and of course there ar4e many ways. My mentality is that muscle makes strength, and getting a neg will build muscle, thus strength. My opinion of course, and I am no world class dead lifter. I would like to get Greg Doucette or the ****ing man KK to comment on it.

[tiramisu]

You may want to look at a few westside type templates that mix a speed day, a max effort day and an endurance day as part of the program rather than periodizing in phases.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with endurance type work, yes the negative does induce hypertrophy but both speed work and max effort work are a part of the strength equation.

I tend to walk the line between powerlifting and bodybuilding. I really find programs like DC and Dorian's version of HIT personally appealing. I also find Tate's 5/3/1 and Westside extremely appealing.

Seeing as I'll never be a successful competitive bodybuilder I can pretty much pick and choose what I want out of the strength sports. I like the powerclean and the snatch and use them as part of my lifting programs. If I ever get my shoulders unbuggered I'd love to play with some strongman routines but so far my joints are just too delicate for the manhandling kind of work that they like to do for play.

[tex]

i lift for a combo of absolute strength and speed.....this equates to maximum poundage....i only do a full deadlift maybe once a month and it is always to a 1rm ( i do speed pulls twice a month with 60-75% of my max).....as far as saving the droppin for comp date...well you cant drop it at comp....negative needs to "appear" to be controlled....now for good mornings I will use a super controlled negative cuz otherwise id be leaving the gym on a stretcher :)

[L3]

wheres the viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddd.......




What's the big deal asshole is i ALREADY lost a good job because people found out i use gear and if you think im going to lose the job i have right now for some ****ing stupid video for some stupid ****ing assholes who need to see it to believe it then you are WRONG sir.

Im in a small town and with my luck chances are someone will notice my gym and who I am and then dremen is connected to ME in reality and in NO way do i need that kind of heat right now.

Give me a month and i will have 600'lbs worth of weights in the basement and a vid to shut you ****s up. Honestly i CAN'T believe you assholes would have me risk my livelyhood for some ****ing video. **** you guys man......i will do 495lbs for 8 reps then 315 for 6 reps then 405 for 20 reps with no more then 30 seconds between lifts THEN pull 500 for 3 sets @3 reps.
P.s. If you can't deadlift 500lbs COLD you ****ing suck ass. God FORBID i can lift anything more then you guys.

I hope you ****ers choke on yer own words. ****ing lil kids man....

[buildinthaskinnys]

I'm really starting to like this place.

p.s. must spread some green around before giving to L3 again. LMAO.

[buildinthaskinnys]

:puff

[CanadianIron]

wheres the viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddd.......

Hahah, awesome.. I totally forgot about this.

[waderow]

wheres the viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddd.......

maybe he thinks 45's are 100's?

[natenator]

maybe he thinks 45's are 100's?
Dremen doesn't think so that would not be possible.

[Bodybuilder1]

The biggest muscle building mistake you can make is doing routines from muscle magazines. Most of those guys don’t train naturally, are genetically gifted and
never started training that way.