Critque My Cycle and PCT please

[steve_o]

Hey guys,

This is my first time diving into the world of AAS but I wanted some advice before I start my cycle in February.

Age - 25
Weight - 188lbs
BF% - 10%
Lifting Experience - 7 years

Pre Load - Hawthorne Berry for 2 weeks

Cycle -
Week 1 - 6 - Tbol 40mg/day
Week 1 - 12 - Test E 500mg/week 250mg monday and 250mg thurs
Week 3 - 13 - HcG 250iu e3d day on cycle (stop one week before PCT) Inject on Sunday and Wednesdays
Arimidex .5mg EOD throughout cycle

During Cycle
LIV52 and Cycle Assist by CEL
Joint Formula, Vitamin C, Multi, EFA,

PCT
Day 1 -7 - Clomid 100 Nolva 40
Day 8-14 - Clomid 50 Nolva 40
Day 15 - 21 - Clomid 50 Nolva 20
Day 22-28 - Clomid 25 Nolva 20

BioForge for 6 weeks 4 caps per day along with T911 (natty Test booster)

Questions

1. Is my HcG protocol okay? I wanted to run it throughout the cycle as I have had some issues in the past with shutdown.
2. Is my PCT strong enough for this cycle or would you change anything?
3. Do I need to use a Natty Test booster if I am already going to be taking clomid and nolva for PCT?
4. Should I front load PCT with clomid 200 and Nolva 60 on day 1?

[theboss]

personally i would start Tbol @ week 4.....or use it the last 4 weeks of the cycle up until PCT starts.
i wouldnt bother with Arimidex unless i needed it...but keep it handy
use HCG to the day before you start PCT...i prefer 500iu twice a week....
you could drop the nolva to 20mg for the 2nd week as well.
no idea what bioforge is...and you probably dont need T911 or whatever when using HCG, clomid and nolva

[vakker]

I'd use dbol instead of tbol for your first cycle (that is just me, as I found dbol to be much more effective). I would also not use the armidex unless you feel you really need it, just have nolva on hand.

That is just my opinion though.

[steve_o]

personally i would start Tbol @ week 4.....or use it the last 4 weeks of the cycle up until PCT starts.
i wouldnt bother with Arimidex unless i needed it...but keep it handy
use HCG to the day before you start PCT...i prefer 500iu twice a week....
you could drop the nolva to 20mg for the 2nd week as well.
no idea what bioforge is...and you probably dont need T911 or whatever when using HCG, clomid and nolva

Is there a particular a reason why you would use the Tbol 4 weeks in or start week 10 until PCT?

I thought it was better to kickstart a test cycle with an oral but I have Tbol not Dbol so I am not sure at this point.

Thanks for the advice I really appreciate it. I just want to have everything on hand before I start.

23 guage for drawing 25guage 1 and 1.5 inch for injecting, thighs and glutes

[steve_o]

I'd use dbol instead of tbol for your first cycle (that is just me, as I found dbol to be much more effective). I would also not use the armidex unless you feel you really need it, just have nolva on hand.

That is just my opinion though.

I already have oral turinabol on hand so that is why I am going to go with this. The other reason is I would prefer lean mass over the bloated water weight look that is sometimes customary with Dbol.

[theboss]

tbol would be more effective when the test has already kicked in...and since Tbol is a 'lean gainer' in comparison to Dbol (which I love & prefer) i would use it at the end to help solidify gains (if thats possible).

i use 18 or 21 g depending to draw...and 1.5" 25g to inj....but it really depends on the product and how thick it is.

if you want an effective kickstart to a cycle...use Test Prop.
orals for that reason IMO are a waist.

[steve_o]

tbol would be more effective when the test has already kicked in...and since Tbol is a 'lean gainer' in comparison to Dbol (which I love & prefer) i would use it at the end to help solidify gains (if thats possible).

i use 18 or 21 g depending to draw...and 1.5" 25g to inj....but it really depends on the product and how thick it is.

if you want an effective kickstart to a cycle...use Test Prop.
orals for that reason IMO are a waist.

Thanks again BOSS! I am going to run the T bol for 6 weeks at 40mg/day starting at week 8 and since the Test E is in my system for 2 weeks after last injection anyways.

I am looking at gaining around 15 pounds with this cycle if that is possible. I think I will do Test Prop, Dbol and Test E next cycle in the Fall.

[theboss]

its all in the diet

[steve_o]

If I were to add in something to this cycle would you add in Dbol or Test Prop and at what dosage?

[theboss]

first cycle.....i would use Test E only...maybe Dbol (instead of Tbol)

[steve_o]

first cycle.....i would use Test E only...maybe Dbol (instead of Tbol)

And put it in the same place as suggested 4 weeks in or last 6 weeks?

Sounds good to me. I appreciate the help.

[vakker]

And put it in the same place as suggested 4 weeks in or last 6 weeks?

Sounds good to me. I appreciate the help.

I've tried both and prefer to run the dbol at the start.

[gicantor]

first cycle.....i would use Test E only...maybe Dbol (instead of Tbol)

^this...keep it simple

[steve_o]

Thanks again guys for the help. Cycle is going to start in February!

[PdH]

Nice to see someone heeding experienced advice. :)

[steve_o]

Nice to see someone heeding experienced advice. :)

Research only gets you so far and then I find that you have to ask people who have the "field" experience. I knew if I posted my cycle I would get some great advice.

[beretta96]

You mention for your hcg protocol that you've had shutdown before but this is your first cycle. How did you get shutdown?

IMHO natty test boosters are BS. I've tried them all before actually doing a cycle. I've tried tribulus, maca root etc... I'll bet I've spent close to a grand in "test boosters" wether natural or not and I've not had a single iota of difference wether it be libido or recovery or strength. That's what prompted me to try aas. When you think of it, all that OCT stuff you buy and eat, what are you really putting in your system?

[steve_o]

I ended up getting shutdown from being on Methyl Test by Nxlabs and Tribulus 3g/day for 8 weeks straight and then not doing a PCT. On the boxes it says it does not affect natural test production but it shut my down pretty hard and I had do some clomid and arimidex to bring myself back.

I guess I reacted differently to natty test boosters or there was more in the Methyl Test then I figured and I was on too long. I guess the combo of both was too much and my natural test levels started to decrease.