2010 Games anti-doping efforts hindered

[mayhem]

Olympic officials working to ensure raids of athletes' rooms can be executed

Olympic officials aren't sure whether authorities in Vancouver will be able to legally search athletes' rooms and residences for drugs during the Winter Games because Canada doesn't have anti-doping laws.

Members of the International Olympic Committee are working with Canadian law enforcement authorities to come to an agreement. Arne Ljungqvist, the IOC chairman, said the two sides are co-operating but have not yet resolved the issue.

"Discussions are going on," Ljungqvist told The Associated Press. "They will probably go on until more or less Games time."
The Vancouver 2010 Olympics kick off Feb. 12. The problem-plagued athletes village is slated to open Feb. 4.

Olympic officials said searching athletes' accommodations in Turin, Italy, during the 2006 Games wasn't an issue because Italian police were legally permitted to conduct raids in connection with possible doping.

The IOC is responsible for drug-testing during each Olympics, but relies on police in host countries to share information and help eliminate any smuggling, trafficking and distribution rings associated with the Games.

"This has become more and more important," Ljungqvist said. "We are acting more and more on the basis of intelligence."
Responding to an IOC tip in 2006, Italian police raided the living quarters of the Austrian biathlon and cross-country teams, seizing doping products and equipment.

The IOC and Canadian officials are determining whether the same would be legally permitted in Vancouver.
"We haven't reached that stage," Ljungqvist said. "It remains to be seen if we reach that stage at all. That [Turin] was a unique situation. Further discussions remain to take place."

For future Games, the IOC will put in place a rule forcing host cities to have an acceptable anti-doping law in place, Ljungqvist said.

In the meantime, for the Vancouver Olympics, the IOC is also working with Canadian customs authorities to prevent banned drugs and equipment destined for the Games from coming into the country.

Roughly 2,000 blood and urine tests will be conducted on athletes in Vancouver, an increase of about 500 tests from the last Winter Olympics.

Under international sports rules, Olympic athletes can also be tested anywhere in the world, on any day, at any time. They must specify one hour each day where they can definitely be found for testing. It will be considered a missed test if they can't be located at that hour, Ljungqvist said.

[cog]

So now that they know the cops can crash their pads they will just have safe places to meet up with team doctors.

[JifeLacket]

not sure how they would catch 'smuggling' we are not talking kilos of blow here. And any athlete that keeps his/her gear on them in the first place is setting themselves up for a FAIL.

[RagingRandy]

I suspect the issue at hand is "probable cause" as there is no law being broken. It is beyond me why Canada would entertain a request from an international agency, an athletic agency at that, that would obviously contravene its own constitution. This is not acceptable.



For future Games, the IOC will put in place a rule forcing host cities to have an acceptable anti-doping law in place, Ljungqvist said.


Now everyone stand, extend your right arm, and repeat... All hail the One World Government.

[daande]

Don't they get that every athlete uses some type of performance enhancing drug?

[natenator]

Don't they get that every athlete uses some type of performance enhancing drug?
hence testing...

[daande]

hence testing...

even with the testing they know how long it takes to get shit out of their system and stuff.

[natenator]

even with the testing they know how long it takes to get shit out of their system and stuff.
I am willing to bet there are far less juiced up athletes in terms of anabolic steroids in the Olympics these days than there was 15 years ago.

[CanadianIron]

How would roids help a downhill skier or figure skater? Unless its an endurance sport or game like hockey, what is the advantage?

And like said above, whats going to stop an athlete from training with gear for years and then stopping 2 months before the testing/competition...

I'm still waiting for Spike or someone to host an anything goes Olympics... blow away all the records/times of the real olympics and no one will want to watch the slow naturals anymore.

[tiramisu]

healing, recovery, and strength are huge advantages for any athlete
However, making laws because it's against a sporting organization rule is assinine.

[cog]

How would roids help a downhill skier or figure skater? Unless its an endurance sport or game like hockey, what is the advantage?

And like said above, whats going to stop an athlete from training with gear for years and then stopping 2 months before the testing/competition...

I'm still waiting for Spike or someone to host an anything goes Olympics... blow away all the records/times of the real olympics and no one will want to watch the slow naturals anymore.
Downhill requires huge leg strength.

[Knuckles28]

I've played Hockey while on "gear" i found it a lot harder than if i was "natural", muscles tired out a lot faster and i was sucking more air.. Tired out as in pumped almost to failure kinda thing.. Not too mention tring to still compete while coming off cycle.
In the off season is the only time i could really see a athlete use most types of gear.
Maybe there using what Lance Armstrong used, and epo??
I like CanadianIrons idea but maybe call it "evening the playing field games, get er done"

Is it possible Gene doping may be available??? Christ i hope so..

[JifeLacket]

Dude for recovery an athlete needs to take 1/20th the amount that a BBer uses.. people dont understand.. i see it all the time 'best roid for a sprinter' or w.e and all the bbers are like ya just hop on 500mg test e or some shit.. doesnt work that way it makes you slow as **** at that dose.. some guys may react differently but thats probably why you felt like crap playing hocks.. its an explosive sport, and requires good VO2 max (like interval training). The only sport other then BBing that i could see using those doses is power lifting. Sprinters can get to their size naturally, its the super high volume of work 2x per day that they need help with.

athletes use it to recover, they dont use it to boost the workout itself. (although some does effect next day performance like packing muscles full with insulin, but they try to not use that much, they just want to recover). It would be like training on cocaine and expecting to be as fast off it as on. same with coffee.. or anything like that

CI you are correct.. but athletes dont really do 'cycles' like bbers, unless they need to add 50lb.. they would be in the wrong sport if that were the case. 95% of it is genetics (at least in explosive sports IMO) a few mg of test here and there is just icing on the cake.

[daande]

I could see alot of athletes using things like anavar in the off season to get there strength alot higher than a "natural" athlete.

[rob66679]

How would roids help a downhill skier or figure skater? Unless its an endurance sport or game like hockey, what is the advantage?

And like said above, whats going to stop an athlete from training with gear for years and then stopping 2 months before the testing/competition...

I'm still waiting for Spike or someone to host an anything goes Olympics... blow away all the records/times of the real olympics and no one will want to watch the slow naturals anymore.

Baseball isn't the most physically demanding sport, look what happened with that..... nobody hits 60 HR for 35 years, and suddenly everybody is.
Freaking Luis Gonzalez hit 60 + lol.....

I'm thinking the % of athletes doping is the same as its always been..... The guys testing are always 1 step behind the guys using.
1 word.... BALCO......

[CanadianIron]

What is that stuff that runner take under their tongue called "The clear"... I heard them talking about it on 20/20 a while back...

[cog]

Dude for recovery an athlete needs to take 1/20th the amount that a BBer uses.. people dont understand.. i see it all the time 'best roid for a sprinter' or w.e and all the bbers are like ya just hop on 500mg test e or some shit.. doesnt work that way it makes you slow as **** at that dose.. some guys may react differently but thats probably why you felt like crap playing hocks.. its an explosive sport, and requires good VO2 max (like interval training). The only sport other then BBing that i could see using those doses is power lifting. Sprinters can get to their size naturally, its the super high volume of work 2x per day that they need help with.

athletes use it to recover, they dont use it to boost the workout itself. (although some does effect next day performance like packing muscles full with insulin, but they try to not use that much, they just want to recover). It would be like training on cocaine and expecting to be as fast off it as on. same with coffee.. or anything like that

CI you are correct.. but athletes dont really do 'cycles' like bbers, unless they need to add 50lb.. they would be in the wrong sport if that were the case. 95% of it is genetics (at least in explosive sports IMO) a few mg of test here and there is just icing on the cake.

What about Ben Johnson?

[gregdoucette]

There sure are alot of naive posters here. Sure u can beat a test by comming o whatever amount of days depending on what ur taking but when they can test u out of me at any day at ur home or work or gym its pretty hard to just beat a test. IOC testing out meet is different then just showing up the olympics and gettign tested that day. They are also blood testing now for GH.
As far as steroids not helping skiers of course it would help. Skying is hard work. So is figure skating, And running EPO or blain blood doping makes a huge diff. These athletes are not taking trenbolone every athlete would benefit from the right drug. weather it be effedrine testosterone or whatever. If testing is out of the olympics then sport as we know it would change.

Ben Johnson failed for Winny. Lance armstong never failed for anything so acusing a cancer survivor with no proof is just wrong. Bike racing is hard and Floid Landis I believe failed for elevated testosterone levels likely from test suspension right before the race started to give him extra motivation for a 5 hour race in the mountains. I seriously doubt a bit of extra test is going to slow down a bike racer.

[JifeLacket]

it does more harm then good at mega doses (as in 500mg, even though its not a lot to most in this community) lol

[natenator]

Ben was clean for his 1988 races. Read anything by Charlie Frances or Dick Pound and they confirm he was clean for those races. They don't claim he was clean leading up to the races or in years before but they emphatically say he was absolutely clean for those races.

The theory was that given it was winny and drinkable in solution that it was dropped into something he was drinking before the race.

[rob66679]

Its possible Armstrong is clean..... Its also possible that Usain Bolt is.
But I doubt it IMHO.
Whenever it comes to a sport thats been played for 100 years, and suddenly somebody blows the hell out of all previous records, 99% of the time theres something involved.
Its been proven time and time again.
It comes down to dollars. The best athletes can afford the best drugs, and the best drugs will get them wins. Wins will = sponsorships.
In my mind Balco blew everything wide open, and many that were denying using AAS on their mothers life were proven to be full of shit. Raphael Palmeiro comes to mind, and Marion Jones.
I've heard the same thing Re. Ben Johnson's failed test. Theres a lot of politics in the olympics, I wouldn't doubt someone spiking Bens drink.
The Funniest part of that fiasco I thought was carl Lewis getting all indignant, then it turns out he was using too lol. The ****ing drug olympics, I can't wait for it.....

[Ron Partlow]

I am willing to bet there are far less juiced up athletes in terms of anabolic steroids in the Olympics these days than there was 15 years ago.

I agree. I've known many Canadian Olympic Team members for various sports, and lots of them are totally clean. In fact, lots of them don't even seem to know much about nutrition either, they just eat what they are told.

[cog]

There sure are alot of naive posters here. Sure u can beat a test by comming o whatever amount of days depending on what ur taking but when they can test u out of me at any day at ur home or work or gym its pretty hard to just beat a test. IOC testing out meet is different then just showing up the olympics and gettign tested that day. They are also blood testing now for GH.
As far as steroids not helping skiers of course it would help. Skying is hard work. So is figure skating, And running EPO or blain blood doping makes a huge diff. These athletes are not taking trenbolone every athlete would benefit from the right drug. weather it be effedrine testosterone or whatever. If testing is out of the olympics then sport as we know it would change.

Ben Johnson failed for Winny. Lance armstong never failed for anything so acusing a cancer survivor with no proof is just wrong. Bike racing is hard and Floid Landis I believe failed for elevated testosterone levels likely from test suspension right before the race started to give him extra motivation for a 5 hour race in the mountains. I seriously doubt a bit of extra test is going to slow down a bike racer.

Ben Johnson tested positive for Winny.Does that mean Winny was the only AAS he was using?He was also using test.When he stopped he dropped some extra mass and some traces of the winny became available to the testing.This is the theory of Dr.Mauro DiPasquale and other experts.

[Vitamin S]

beleive it or not drug testing these days is realy hard to beat, i know for a fact few lifters who competed for team usa in the olympic in weightlifting were subject to being tested randomly throughtout the year before the olympics at their home, workplaces, training centers, one dude was even taken to nearest drug center from a 7/11 in his home town. you have to report within 24hours if you are not able to attend that day.

its very harsh and strict enforced by wada and usdpa, not sure if other countries such as the eastern blocs china, russia follow such harsh strict standards.

[Vitamin S]

ben was taking more then winstrol, that was just a shitty deal that really will never become clear, only he knows if he was on it, or it was spiked his urine sample.

[JifeLacket]

The canadian national cycling team is tested all the time.. we are clean, same with great britain, in fact they get BLOOD tests regularly we just piss in a bottle. And GB has been dominating the past few years in sprinting. It can be done, the problem is, once someone is on juice they start forgetting all the little things that matter and feel that the juice is going to do it all for them. GB has spent hours and hours testing positions on the bike, their custom bikes are a mil$ each, nutrition scientists are looking in every nook and cranny for and edge they can gain etc. They can do that when they have 80 mil for 4 years for a handful of athletes.. we have like 150k/year for the same amount.. lol

[cog]

The canadian national cycling team is tested all the time.. we are clean, same with great britain, in fact they get BLOOD tests regularly we just piss in a bottle. And GB has been dominating the past few years in sprinting. It can be done, the problem is, once someone is on juice they start forgetting all the little things that matter and feel that the juice is going to do it all for them. GB has spent hours and hours testing positions on the bike, their custom bikes are a mil$ each, nutrition scientists are looking in every nook and cranny for and edge they can gain etc. They can do that when they have 80 mil for 4 years for a handful of athletes.. we have like 150k/year for the same amount.. lol

What about all the various peptides?Are they legal?

[natenator]

Ben Johnson tested positive for Winny.Does that mean Winny was the only AAS he was using?He was also using test.When he stopped he dropped some extra mass and some traces of the winny became available to the testing.This is the theory of Dr.Mauro DiPasquale and other experts.
That is not accurate according to Charlie Frances and Dick Pound. You need to do some reading my friend.

[cog]

That is not accurate according to Charlie Frances and Dick Pound. You need to do some reading my friend.

This is going back a few years...what it was Charlie Francis said to save his ass I can't remember.IIRC,some of Ben's teamates claimed he was using test just as much for the pure joy of it as working out...wtf does Dick Pound know?IIRC,Ben dropped 7-8 lbs in a short period before the games.Forget the drink getting spiked Nate.I'll take the good doctors explanation.I have the book I just can't find the damned thing at the moment.

[natenator]

What does Dick Pound know? Well he knows he's absolutely against drugs in sport but backs Ben as being clean for the 100m final.

Charlie had no reason to save his ass. The damage to his reputation was done and the info concerning Ben and the above race came out years after the enquirey thus still no reason to lie.

[cog]

The name of the book is Drug Use And Detection In Amateur Sports.Yes,he was clean by "beating the dope test standards".This is what DiPasquale explains in his book.I'll take the words of his teamates.They were out of sport and had nothing to lose.Why would they claim Ben was using test?Maybe Charlie didn't know?I can't recall what Francis had to say about it.

[#8]

How would roids help a downhill skier or figure skater? Unless its an endurance sport or game like hockey, what is the advantage?

And like said above, whats going to stop an athlete from training with gear for years and then stopping 2 months before the testing/competition...

I'm still waiting for Spike or someone to host an anything goes Olympics... blow away all the records/times of the real olympics and no one will want to watch the slow naturals anymore.

greatest idea ever. ive been waiting for these "olympics" for a LONG time. its about time we stopped testing to see what people are REALLY capable of.

[cog]

Dude for recovery an athlete needs to take 1/20th the amount that a BBer uses.. people dont understand.. i see it all the time 'best roid for a sprinter' or w.e and all the bbers are like ya just hop on 500mg test e or some shit.. doesnt work that way it makes you slow as **** at that dose.. some guys may react differently but thats probably why you felt like crap playing hocks.. its an explosive sport, and requires good VO2 max (like interval training). The only sport other then BBing that i could see using those doses is power lifting. Sprinters can get to their size naturally, its the super high volume of work 2x per day that they need help with.

athletes use it to recover, they dont use it to boost the workout itself. (although some does effect next day performance like packing muscles full with insulin, but they try to not use that much, they just want to recover). It would be like training on cocaine and expecting to be as fast off it as on. same with coffee.. or anything like that

CI you are correct.. but athletes dont really do 'cycles' like bbers, unless they need to add 50lb.. they would be in the wrong sport if that were the case. 95% of it is genetics (at least in explosive sports IMO) a few mg of test here and there is just icing on the cake.

Ben's teamates claimed he(and others)were using enough test to improve sexual performance notably.Sprinting is considered anerobic anyhow.