A question for Iron Will..

[rickyboy36]

Hey bro..i know you have trained under alot of GOOD TRAINERS like Dante,Phil Hernon and now MountainDog and made significant gains with all of them.In your opinion which one gave you the best gains and which onwe would you recommend ?Also,where you fortunate enough to do a contest preperation with them?If so,which one in your opinion was better for you.

If you could go by "amount of pounds" gained in one year which one was gave you the most? I know MD is new,but im sure you can give a good estimite on how things will be..

Thanks man!

[JifeLacket]

send him a PM maybe? ;)

[rickyboy36]

send him a PM maybe? ;)

Why?Wouldnt you like to know what "method" worked best for him??Im sure he followed everything to a tee and his imput would most certainley be valuable.

DC training versus high volume versus HIT or what have you?We can learn a lot from what he has to say bro and maybe incorporate that into our own training programs.Same with the nutrtition part.

[Talo]

I'm interested.

[JonnyO]

I'll add my experiences as well, I've worked with DC and John Meadows (MD) for offseason. Scott Abel and George Farrah for contest prep. Currently with MD offseason right now and he will lead me into my contest prep for my next show in August.

I added the most size working with DC. I started with him I was about 226-228, he cleaned me out and I went down to about 218 for about 4 months before we began blasting away. Within 4 months I was up to 256lbs. It wasnt a very hard weight and held higher bodyfat (for me anyways), but I was pretty large and strong as hell. I dieted down for a contest and weighed in at 203lbs, thats a 53lb loss in weight, quite a bit. I won my weight class in one of the bigger NPC National qualifier shows though so I was on cloud nine.

Contest prep, Abel was pretty good. George Farrah was good as well, very strict, no cheat meals. Both guys were poor communicators I found as far as them answering my questions. Farrah didnt send me a single workout. Farrah was also the most expensive and my results werent anything I couldnt have done on my own. I thought I'd learn a thing or two, but I didnt really. I did pick up some last week tips and carb up tips that worked for me though.

MD is by far the best! He sends me workouts every week, he answers my questions when I have any which is rare because he is very well in detailing what he has me doing. He actually cares about me and my progress and wants his clients to succeed. I dont need to remind him of where I am and what I am doing or how far out I am and crap like that. My weight isnt as high as its been in the past but I am bigger and harder and will not have to drop much weight to get dialed in for my next show.

Any more questions I can answer feel free to ask.

[kloan]

So all this work with the trainers is done online?

[rickyboy36]

I'll add my experiences as well, I've worked with DC and John Meadows (MD) for offseason. Scott Abel and George Farrah for contest prep. Currently with MD offseason right now and he will lead me into my contest prep for my next show in August.

I added the most size working with DC. I started with him I was about 226-228, he cleaned me out and I went down to about 218 for about 4 months before we began blasting away. Within 4 months I was up to 256lbs. It wasnt a very hard weight and held higher bodyfat (for me anyways), but I was pretty large and strong as hell. I dieted down for a contest and weighed in at 203lbs, thats a 53lb loss in weight, quite a bit. I won my weight class in one of the bigger NPC National qualifier shows though so I was on cloud nine.

Contest prep, Abel was pretty good. George Farrah was good as well, very strict, no cheat meals. Both guys were poor communicators I found as far as them answering my questions. Farrah didnt send me a single workout. Farrah was also the most expensive and my results werent anything I couldnt have done on my own. I thought I'd learn a thing or two, but I didnt really. I did pick up some last week tips and carb up tips that worked for me though.

MD is by far the best! He sends me workouts every week, he answers my questions when I have any which is rare because he is very well in detailing what he has me doing. He actually cares about me and my progress and wants his clients to succeed. I dont need to remind him of where I am and what I am doing or how far out I am and crap like that. My weight isnt as high as its been in the past but I am bigger and harder and will not have to drop much weight to get dialed in for my next show.

Any more questions I can answer feel free to ask.

Wow,congrats on your win bro!!!

As for DC you dieted 4 months and lost 10lbs?Or was this just a "cruise" period to let your body recuperate bit?Did you continue to use your log book to beat previous records?And the 38lbs that you gained in 4 months how much was this actual muscle?

As for MD,what is it you like about him so much?His communication compared to others?At the end of things do you think you will put on as much as muscle as you did with DC?

It seems like for many people MD style dieting really makes a difference "hard wise" on the body.Did you feel this with the other trainers?Do you feel this with him?

And finally,if you had such great results with DC,why not continue with him?Is it because you want to test the waters with other trainers?Will you go back eventually to DC?

Thanks!

[JonnyO]

As for DC you dieted 4 months and lost 10lbs?Or was this just a "cruise" period to let your body recuperate bit?Did you continue to use your log book to beat previous records?And the 38lbs that you gained in 4 months how much was this actual muscle?

No I didnt diet, I came off all "super supps" and gave my body a break from everything. I used a log book then. I think I put on 10lbs stage weight from the year before.


As for MD,what is it you like about him so much?His communication compared to others?At the end of things do you think you will put on as much as muscle as you did with DC?

I like the training and the diets good, clean eating. Things have just started so I cant say how things will end up yet.


It seems like for many people MD style dieting really makes a difference "hard wise" on the body.Did you feel this with the other trainers?Do you feel this with him?

his diet is very clean, I havent worked with other offseason so cant say for them, DC eating wasnt exactly clean like this. Its takes discipline, its close to contest dieting actually, just more calories.


And finally,if you had such great results with DC,why not continue with him?Is it because you want to test the waters with other trainers?Will you go back eventually to DC?

I was in a car accident and messed up my shoulder, and I can no longer do rest pause exercises for chest and shoulders or back anymore. DC training revolves around RP's, but I do use some of his concepts in other aspects of my training such as widow makers and in my leg training.
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[ironwill]

Hey bro..i know you have trained under alot of GOOD TRAINERS like Dante,Phil Hernon and now MountainDog and made significant gains with all of them.In your opinion which one gave you the best gains and which onwe would you recommend ?Also,where you fortunate enough to do a contest preperation with them?If so,which one in your opinion was better for you.

If you could go by "amount of pounds" gained in one year which one was gave you the most? I know MD is new,but im sure you can give a good estimite on how things will be..

Thanks man!Thanks for taking the time JohnnyO....Its funny, we didnt used to know each other yet JO, and i were on the same course with same trainers quite a bit of the time....
Good stuff....

My favorite trng, and the strongest, largest i ever was .....was when i was doing DC, and i will go back to that trng someday soon......The diet was good as well, i find however now that i am getting older and much more focused on health now.....So im much more concietuous about what i put in my body nutrition wise etc.......

I got up to 270 ish with him, i was squatting 6 plates/side benching over 4 plates /side, deads were good as well etc.........I was a big strong boy, eating a shitload of calories good and bad....But it worked big time....Wasnt competing at the time, i just did an anabolic diet by DC to get leaner....i broke out real bad and didnt feel good doing the blast/cruise type of anabolic administration.....Got down to 250, and looked pretty damn good IMO.....

Hernon was good, i didnt have very good chemistry with him....Im not a needy fellow by any means, but if you asked a question the typical answer would be....because i said so....lol...He was old school rocky coach kind of guy....
I liked his trng style a lot, 3 on 1 off, high weights, low volume......I did pretty well, but for my body, the diet wasnt great for me, to many fruits etc...Not enough whole foods, and complex carbs, my body seems to respond to......I will try bhis trng out someday with Mountain dogs diet, and i think ill do real well.....

Now my favorite so far is ....john Meadows....His diet is kicking ass for me right now....Only 1-2 shakws per day, a whack of whole foods, that are very nutrient dense, and his whole focus is on improvements, and health......
My weight dropped a bit, then went up, now its holding fairly steady, and my calories bumped up this week.......again....He pays attention, answers all questions in detail, sends you pics of his family, new workouts weekly, correspondance almost daily......The guy is incredible and really, really cares....He remembers everything he has you doing, and doesnt have to ask where we are....lol...DC was real good at that as well, both guys get back to you within minutes sometimes, with full answers explaining things ive asked.....
Im looking forward to doing a contest diet with him also....
He has much, much more volume than anyone i have ever worked with prior, and switches the workouts up all the time...
Hes a ripped bigmofo so i can see he practices what he preaches big time as well......
Hope this helps you out.....Whoever said take it to pm, i hope you arent reading this....lollll

These are good questions for the board, i love hearing guys first hand experiences, this is Bodybuilding is it not???
Everyone learns from someone else, no-one is a pioneer in this field, as much as we think we are, they tire hits the pavement with real experiences....
Typically from others who are sharing and helping...

[rickyboy36]

Wow..great post there Iron.Indeed,we learn alot from guys like you and Johnny-O and I thank you both for taking the time to share this with us.

As far as training and dieting with DC what was it that you found hard with the Anabolic Diet?The food or was it trying to beat the log book in a calorie restricted environment that made it harder??In comparison to other trainers diets,what is the big difference with his.

Ive heard the same things regarding Hernon.His training is good,but his diets make alot of people soft.Health wise,he does give you a diet focusing on eating healthy..right?And i agree with you 100% that the older we get the more we take into consideration the right foods we put in our body.Ive been focusing on that alot as well.wish i would of started when i was younger though..ohh well..loll

And yes,MD seems to be a really good choice right now.All i hear are good things about him.And like you said,he has the body to "back up" his preaching so to speak.
With MD though,do you PROGRESS with weights like you did with DC..or is it just a lot of high volume training.Is it a 2 day on 1 day off split?And caloirie wise,are you eating more than you were with DC and Hernon?

Thanks again bro!!

[ironwill]

Wow..great post there Iron.Indeed,we learn alot from guys like you and Johnny-O and I thank you both for taking the time to share this with us.

As far as training and dieting with DC what was it that you found hard with the Anabolic Diet?The food or was it trying to beat the log book in a calorie restricted environment that made it harder??In comparison to other trainers diets,what is the big difference with his.

Ive heard the same things regarding Hernon.His training is good,but his diets make alot of people soft.Health wise,he does give you a diet focusing on eating healthy..right?And i agree with you 100% that the older we get the more we take into consideration the right foods we put in our body.Ive been focusing on that alot as well.wish i would of started when i was younger though..ohh well..loll

And yes,MD seems to be a really good choice right now.All i hear are good things about him.And like you said,he has the body to "back up" his preaching so to speak.
With MD though,do you PROGRESS with weights like you did with DC..or is it just a lot of high volume training.Is it a 2 day on 1 day off split?And caloirie wise,are you eating more than you were with DC and Hernon?

Thanks again bro!!

The anabolic diet wasnt a by the book one, it was just a cutter to help me lean out, to around 10 percent or a bit less.....And hold muscle.....it was a very high protein, moderate fat, and low carb approach, with very little cardio, just a bit higher volume in th workouts....I didnt really find it to be hard, i quite enjoyed it....I didnt lose to much strngth, but didnt gain any more in the way of strength either...As when i was doing dc it was weekly strength gains, and size gains were crazy as well, a bit more fat than i liked, but i may have had to many junkfood meals, as he said if you want junk, eat it...just be sure to down 2 -3 scoops of prtein powder and watr first....I did a lot of that....lol

As far as healthy, and Hernon, yes he was focused on that aspect for sure......I am going to try his trng methods, and MDs diet together.....
As MDs trng isnt about beating a logbook, or continuos improvements with weights....
Its often much lower weight because you just did 2 major exercises for that bodypart prior to doing bench press for example, so the weight moved per rep is compromised, but you just move it a hell of a lot more times, and when you think you are done, you do 2 drop sets....lol...Good amnt of volume for sure, and not much time in between...Im gtting pretty good at it now, i was sucking wind the first couple of times through, but now im cranking it out big time....

For example, in legs, we did 5 sets of extensions, 3 sets of leg presses, then 2 sets of 8-4-2, with 5 second breaks.....Then you go do squats, ass to grass on one rep, then come up and back down 3/4 of the way and back up again, this is one rep....He wants 15 of these suckers, after all the other work....Then you have to do seated leg curls 3 sets of 20, then 2 sets of 8-4-2 with 5 second breaks, Then stiff-legged deads 5 sets ramping up the weight the whole time, lots of other twists etc he throws in.....
Ill see how it goes trng like this for awhile longer......Il really need to go with it through my whole off season, and do my contest diet to see the differences...But now im figuring out what diets work best for me, on and offseason....And what trng works best, then ill see what happens in the future...

[kloan]

So all this work with the trainers is done online?

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[ironwill]

Sorry, Yes......^^^^

[kloan]

Sorry, Yes......^^^^

tnx :)

[physique]

what kind of cost is invloved from trainer to trainer?

[JonnyO]

For example, in legs, we did 5 sets of extensions, 3 sets of leg presses, then 2 sets of 8-4-2, with 5 second breaks.....Then you go do squats, ass to grass on one rep, then come up and back down 3/4 of the way and back up again, this is one rep....He wants 15 of these suckers, after all the other work....Then you have to do seated leg curls 3 sets of 20, then 2 sets of 8-4-2 with 5 second breaks, Then stiff-legged deads 5 sets ramping up the weight the whole time, lots of other twists etc he throws in.....


Damn you got off lucky bro, lol. I am pre exhausting legs with hams, then leg extensions. Then leg press, no set amount of sets, just keep going and adding weight until I cant do 10 reps anymore, usually 7-8 sets for me with 2 warm up sets of 25 reps, then move on to some type of squatting. Then this and that and deads, lol.

Another thing John has us do is focus a lot on Time Under Tension. SLow negatives, resting the bar on our chest before pressing up, etc.

[ironwill]

Damn you got off lucky bro, lol. I am pre exhausting legs with hams, then leg extensions. Then leg press, no set amount of sets, just keep going and adding weight until I cant do 10 reps anymore, usually 7-8 sets for me with 2 warm up sets of 25 reps, then move on to some type of squatting. Then this and that and deads, lol.

Another thing John has us do is focus a lot on Time Under Tension. SLow negatives, resting the bar on our chest before pressing up, etc.

lol, thats just my last one bro........I did the style you typed 2 weeks ago...He said enjoy the lower volume, next week will be brutal, its in my email, i havent looked at it yet....damn masochist he is....

Physique, the prices were all different...One guy took all pmnt for a 20 week run, the next guy does monthly pmnts, and some guys do a sign up, then monthly pmnts as long as you want to stick with them.....

[RagingRandy]

what kind of cost is invloved from trainer to trainer?

I would like to know the answer too. Especially interested in MD. Link would be good too.

[ironwill]

Physique, the prices were all different...One guy took all pmnt for a 20 week run, the next guy does monthly pmnts, and some guys do a sign up, then monthly pmnts as long as you want to stick with them.....

[RagingRandy]

^^^^ I got that but that does not tell me if it is $20\month or $2000\month on average.

[rickyboy36]

^^^^ I got that but that does not tell me if it is $20\month or $2000\month on average.

Bro,maybe he doesnt want to tell you for personal reasons.But if you go to Promuscle.com all 3 trainers are there:Doggcrapp,Phil Hernon and Mountain Dog

[ironwill]

^^^^ I got that but that does not tell me if it is $20\month or $2000\month on average.

well then you will have to ask these trainers....Sorry, their prices are not to be discussed......I believe everyone gats different prices depending upon what they require, contest is one price, off season is another...No big secret really.....I was told when i recvd my acceptance, prices not to be discussed....sorry....:)

[RagingRandy]

OK..not an issue. I will contact them directly. Thanks.