bulking cycle advise

[ares]

Hey guys,

wanted to do a bulking cycle and need your advise.

i am 6"2 215pounds with about 7 years of training.

i did two deca&winny cycles and now wonna try this cycle

Deca: 350mg
Test: 200mg

the goal is to put 20-25 pound in 8-12 weeks

do you guys think its a good bulking cycle? hows the dosage?

let me know your thoughts


thanks.

[gustavo77]

Based on your cycle experience i think it is about time that you finally experienced the power of the granddaddy of all AAS. TEST! Bro, why you have not ran test in any of your cycles i have no idea. Test is the king of growth, well being and libido. 20-25lbs is a lofty goal, you can reach it on cycle but it will be soft gains bro. Shoot for 10-15lbs of hard gains. Whether the gains be hard or soft, it depends on your diet so much more than any AAS. If your diet is on point and you are ready to run a well laid out cycle then this is one option for you:

wk 1-4 D-bol 30mg/day 1 hour pre-workout or in the morning on non-training days
wk 1-12 Test E or C 500-600mg/wk
wk 1-11 Deca 400mg/wk
wk 1-14 Adex 0.5mg ed or 1mg eod
wk 1-(4 days before pct) 250-500iu of HCG 2x per week

PCT (14 days after last shot of test E or C)

Day 1-21 clomid 50mg/day
Day 1-35 Aromasin 25mg/day

There you go bro, I nice simple bulking cycle that will add at least 15lbs if your diet is on and a good pct to help you maintain what you have worked so hard for.

[bigdaddydrew123]

gus is right , thats a great cycle laid out for, im sure youd be happy with results

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I would suggest a cycle like gus did or something similar.

[Big D]

ya man you cant go wrong with what gus suggested

[oster]

ya gus!

[SteveMan]

yeah good cycle gus, but isnt 50mg of clomid really low?

[gustavo77]

yeah good cycle gus, but isnt 50mg of clomid really low?

I actually should have said 50-100mg. You do not need a whack of clomid for it to be effective. Also using HCG during cycles will make PCT much, much easier. HCG will keep the testes working the whole cycle and they will respond very quickly to the LH spike caused clomid supplementation. In any case i believe the use of high doses of clomid is why it has gotten such a bad rep...I have posted this study before, but it just illustrates how little clomid is actually needed for it to be effective.

"Clomiphene Citrate Effects on Testosterone/Estrogen Ratio in Male Hypogonadism
J Sex Med 2005;2:716–721.

ABSTRACT

Aim. Symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism is associated not only with a decline in serum testosterone, but also with a rise in serum estradiol. These endocrine changes negatively affect libido, sexual function, mood, behavior, lean body mass, and bone density. Currently, the most common treatment is exogenous testostosterone therapy. This treatment can be associated with skin irritation, gynecomastia, nipple tenderness, testicular atrophy, and decline in sperm counts. In this study we investigated the efficacy of clomiphene citrate in the treatment of hypogonadism with the objectives of raising endogenous serum testosterone (T) and improving the testosterone/estrogen (T/E) ratio.

Methods. Our cohort consisted of 36 Caucasian men with hypogonadism defined as serum testosterone level less than 300 ng/dL. Each patient was treated with a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate and followed prospectively. Analysis of baseline and follow-up serum levels of testosterone and estradiol levels were performed.

Results. The mean age was 39 years, and the mean pretreatment testosterone and estrogen levels were 247.6 &#177; 39.8 ng/dL and 32.3 &#177; 10.9, respectively. By the first follow-up visit (4&#226;&#226;‚&#172;&#226;€œ6 weeks), the mean testosterone level rose to 610.0 &#177; 178.6 ng/dL (P < 0.00001). Moreover, the T/E ratio improved from 8.7 to 14.2 (P < 0.001). There were no side effects reported by the patients.

Conclusions. Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estadiol ratio in men with hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway."

[simon85]

My last bulking cycle was very successful. I ran a 10weeks cycle and I add ALOT of thickess.

NOT FOR NOOBS/LOW-INTERMEDIATE. Tren/slin/m1t can give you bad/dangerous sides, especially slin.

1-6 tren ace 100mg eod
1-6 dbol 35mg ed
1-6 humalog PW up to 10iu
1-8 hcg 2X250iu
7-10 m1t 40mg ed
1-10 test p 200mg eod
1-10 nac 600mg ed

I gained a nice and lean 15 pounds.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/01/28/123383/profilepic/1097082.jpg

[physique]

My last bulking cycle was very successful. I ran a 10weeks cycle and I add ALOT of thickess.

1-6 tren ace 100mg eod
1-6 dbol 35mg ed
1-6 humalog PW up to 10iu
1-8 hcg 2X250iu
7-10 m1t 40mg ed
1-10 test p 200mg eod
1-10 nac 600mg ed

I gained a nice and lean 15 pounds.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/01/28/123383/profilepic/1097082.jpg

OVERKILL! The original poster said he has used 2 cycles in the past. the cycle you posted isnt what i or i am sure others on this site would consider to be begginer/low intermediate.

Not saying it isnt a decent cycle, but definately not for a NEWBIE!

[gustavo77]

My last bulking cycle was very successful. I ran a 10weeks cycle and I add ALOT of thickess.

1-6 tren ace 100mg eod
1-6 dbol 35mg ed
1-6 humalog PW up to 10iu
1-8 hcg 2X250iu
7-10 m1t 40mg ed
1-10 test p 200mg eod
1-10 nac 600mg ed

I gained a nice and lean 15 pounds.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/01/28/123383/profilepic/1097082.jpg


Definitely NOT a cycle i would recommend for anyone, much less a beginner. Dude 10 weeks of orals????!!!!! 40mg of M1T??!!! Is your liver still intact bro?? By the way you should have gained way, way more than 15lbs on that cycle..I can gain 10lbs on 35mg of d-bol alone. Not sure if you were suggesting this or not but do not suggest these types of cycles here or anywhere for that matter. Do you want someone to f**k themselves up??...not cool dog, not cool at all.

[simon85]

Definitely NOT a cycle i would recommend for anyone, much less a beginner. Dude 10 weeks of orals????!!!!! 40mg of M1T??!!! Is your liver still intact bro?? By the way you should have gained way, way more than 15lbs on that cycle..I can gain 10lbs on 35mg of d-bol alone. Not sure if you were suggesting this or not but do not suggest these types of cycles here or anywhere for that matter. Do you want someone to f**k themselves up??...not cool dog, not cool at all.

I'm not recommending this to a beginner.. I'm just posting my results for the vets here. And a lean 15 pounds is great gains. 30and+ pounds is usually when the guy is not close to his genetic potential(alot of bloating too). Don't forget I'm supplementing NAC, drink 6liter a day and alcohol free.

I wasn't expecting this from you Gustavo. No need to be rude. My blood pressure was high during m1t, but everything's fine right now. Never experienced any back pump.

I'm not popping pills random. Everything was well planned. Your liver won't fail with 10 weeks of orals. Maybe if you're an alcoholic and you already have liver problems. But you definitely need to take a couple of weeks off before doing any orals again.

I was at 225 before and now I'm 240, leaner, at 13&#37; BF.

This cycle definitely worked for me. Alot of improvements was made. I was very surprised with the strength gains on m1t. I never been that strong in my life.

[gustavo77]

I'm not recommending this to a beginner.. I'm just posting my results for the vets here. And a lean 15 pounds is great gains. 30and+ pounds is usually when the guy is not close to his genetic potential(alot of bloating too). Don't forget I'm supplementing NAC, drink 6liter a day and alcohol free.

I wasn't expecting this from you Gustavo. No need to be rude. My blood pressure was high during m1t, but everything's fine right now. Never experienced any back pump.

I'm not popping pills random. Everything was well planned. Your liver won't fail with 10 weeks of orals. Maybe if you're an alcoholic and you already have liver problems. But you definitely need to take a couple of weeks off before doing any orals again.

I was at 225 before and now I'm 240, leaner, at 13% BF.

This cycle definitely worked for me. Alot of improvements was made. I was very surprised with the strength gains on m1t. I never been that strong in my life.


Bro, it is great that you made such wonderful gains on cycle and that you stayed healthy. I understand now that you were not recommending that cycle to ares. I just don't understand the point of posting such an advanced cycle when it is clear that ares does not have a whole lot of AAS experience. I am not trying to be rude, my point is merely that posting something like that in a novice thread is just reckless and dangerous IMHO. Sure ten weeks of orals may not have effected YOU, but how do you know if someone does has a history of liver problems and takes 10 weeks of orals based on your EXAMPLE. Or, someone figures they are not gaining on test and winny and decides to shoot 5iu of slin and goes hypo.

I do apologize if i came off sounding harsh bro but i just think it is imperative for people that are new to AAS get the appropriate info, so they can stay smart and safe. I also think that the more experienced guys should set an example of how to play but play smart and safe.

By the way..i do not drink either. :)

[simon85]

Bro, it is great that you made such wonderful gains on cycle and that you stayed healthy. I understand now that you were not recommending that cycle to ares. I just don't understand the point of posting such an advanced cycle when it is clear that ares does not have a whole lot of AAS experience. I am not trying to be rude, my point is merely that posting something like that in a novice thread is just reckless and dangerous IMHO. Sure ten weeks of orals may not have effected YOU, but how do you know if someone does has a history of liver problems and takes 10 weeks of orals based on your EXAMPLE. Or, someone figures they are not gaining on test and winny and decides to shoot 5iu of slin and goes hypo.

I do apologize if i came off sounding harsh bro but i just think it is imperative for people that are new to AAS get the appropriate info, so they can stay smart and safe. I also think that the more experienced guys should set an example of how to play but play smart and safe.

By the way..i do not drink either. :)

All's good man. I agree with you too. I'm probably PMS'ing with my clomid. lol

I edited my post

[gustavo77]

All's good man. I agree with you too. I'm probably PMS'ing with my clomid. lol

I edited my post

Right on bro, again i apologize if i came off sounded harsh...i know that you would never put something out there for someone to hurt themselves. Peace!

[ares]

ok...thanks a lot guys for all the info...
after reading more and researching i have desided to go with gus's suggestion cycle.

also another question...i got lots of 22 pinz but my friend said to get 25 its way better and dont feel it at all...any tried? any comments?

[gustavo77]

ok...thanks a lot guys for all the info...
after reading more and researching i have desided to go with gus's suggestion cycle.

also another question...i got lots of 22 pinz but my friend said to get 25 its way better and dont feel it at all...any tried? any comments?

I use 22 or 23 to draw and 25 to inject...25 will leave you will less scar tissue and are easy to pin with.

[R.F.S.]

Here's what i would do.
Test e. 500mgs 8-10weeks
Deca 400mgs also 8-10 weeks
Anadrol 50mgs weeks 1-4

keep nolva or arimidex on hand just in case but me personally i never use it during a cycle.

[R.F.S.]

My last bulking cycle was very successful. I ran a 10weeks cycle and I add ALOT of thickess.

NOT FOR NOOBS/LOW-INTERMEDIATE. Tren/slin/m1t can give you bad/dangerous sides, especially slin.

1-6 tren ace 100mg eod
1-6 dbol 35mg ed
1-6 humalog PW up to 10iu
1-8 hcg 2X250iu
7-10 m1t 40mg ed
1-10 test p 200mg eod
1-10 nac 600mg ed

I gained a nice and lean 15 pounds.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/01/28/123383/profilepic/1097082.jpg

How many of those 15lbs did you actually keep after the cycle?

[simon85]

How many of those 15lbs did you actually keep after the cycle?

After 3 weeks, everything. I'm on hrt for life(200mg of cyp), so it help alot!

[Kronis]

After 3 weeks, everything. I'm on hrt for life(200mg of cyp), so it help alot!
Aren't you worried about the side effects of being on HRT @ 22?

Did you make a deposit in the ol' sperm bank before you went on HRT or is it still possible to conveive?

edit: after a quick google I see that it's very possible to still have active swimmers after being on HRT.

I'm surprised you were able to find a doc that would prescribe 200mg/week @ your age. Lucky guy.

[simon85]

Aren't you worried about the side effects of being on HRT @ 22?

Did you make a deposit in the ol' sperm bank before you went on HRT or is it still possible to conveive?

edit: after a quick google I see that it's very possible to still have active swimmers after being on HRT.

I'm surprised you were able to find a doc that would prescribe 200mg/week @ your age. Lucky guy.

My doc told me I should not have problems as long as I'm using hcg and following a good rest of 6-8weeks between my cycle. Blood tests are done during my cruise and yet, all's good.

[simon85]

And also, there is so much pros who had babies after or during their professional carrier. As long you're followed by a specialist, you're fine.

Ronnie just had triplets lol.

[Diesel_250]

wk 1-4 D-bol 40mg ED
wk 1-12 Test E or C 500-600mg/wk
wk 1-11 Deca 400mg/wk

I prefer nolvadex for my PCT, 20mgs ED and taper off. Run trib for the entire cycle and well after. I like to taper the test for 4-6 weeks at the end as well. other than that I pretty much agree with the advice that Gus has given. Cheers