how hard do you push yourselves?

[beretta96]

Lately, probably from the strike we're in, I've been pushing myself harder than normal. I've been feeling like I'm going to barf after. I usually only feel this way after legs, but lately it's every workout. Is this excessive or do you guys push like this?

[AlladdinSane]

It's only excessive if you aren't taking care of your recovery aids (sleep, food, supplements, etc.).

I push hard.

[GYMBRAT]

I lift like an animal and have been for 20+ yrs, I often take a wk long break for a breather than back at it like an animal again......my bodies telling me as of late to slow down a bit (so I will) but it will be hard for me as I am insanely stubborn!!! One learns to read the body and listen or else that's when you get injured ;)

[troy_trinity]

usually until i see black dots... seriously

[gsxr750]

Until I know I have nothing left in me. Greg D said on here he asks himself if someone paid him $2000 could he do another rep? Seems to help me push more when normally I wouldn't even attempt another rep.

[Bowlcut]

Hard enough that I need to take naps in the afternoon.

[rickyboy36]

I was layed off from work about 3 months ago and decided to take advantage of this and diet hard and go down to a bodyfat% level I have never been to before.Since the last week of September Ive been training twice a day,7 days a week(I may of missed 6 training sessions overall) and benefiting greatly from this time off from work.And i plan on continuing this all through the holidays until about the last week of january where im expected to go back to work.But like it was said in another post there are many things to consider when pushing yourself like this.In my case its SLEEP and i can get up to 11hrs of it a day just to recuperate...

[jsv22]

It's only excessive if you aren't taking care of your recovery aids (sleep, food, supplements, etc.).

I push hard.

great post, 100% agree.

[C-money]

It's only excessive if you aren't taking care of your recovery aids (sleep, food, supplements, etc.).

I push hard.
great advice!

[beretta96]

glad to see this is fine. Keep pushing!

[kloan]

Well I'm gonna go against the current as disagree with the comments before me.

I eat very well, take plenty of supplements, get a lot of sleep, but if I push myself too hard (which I'm catching on that I have been) I feel completely run down and dragged out. There is such a thing as overtraining, and anyone who disagrees is full of shit (no offense). ;)

The fact that some people can kill themselves in the gym and still feel fine week after week with only nutrition and rest after doesn't mean other people can't pull that off.

Whatever happened to 'deloading'?? I'm surprised no one mentioned that!

Hell, when doing that I've still felt dragged out. BUT, that can be attributed to other contributing factors such as adrenal fatigue (from preworkout drinks) to thyroid problems, etc.

I just hate seeing you guys say there's no such thing as overdoing it, when that couldn't be further from the truth. We're all built differently and not everyone can recover from massive routines with food and rest alone. Some of us need adjusted routines to compensate for the body's inability to put up with constant beatings.

[natenator]

Well I'm gonna go against the current as disagree with the comments before me.

I eat very well, take plenty of supplements, get a lot of sleep, but if I push myself too hard (which I'm catching on that I have been) I feel completely run down and dragged out. There is such a thing as overtraining, and anyone who disagrees is full of shit (no offense). ;)

The fact that some people can kill themselves in the gym and still feel fine week after week with only nutrition and rest after doesn't mean other people can't pull that off.

Whatever happened to 'deloading'?? I'm surprised no one mentioned that!

Hell, when doing that I've still felt dragged out. BUT, that can be attributed to other contributing factors such as adrenal fatigue (from preworkout drinks) to thyroid problems, etc.

I just hate seeing you guys say there's no such thing as overdoing it, when that couldn't be further from the truth. We're all built differently and not everyone can recover from massive routines with food and rest alone. Some of us need adjusted routines to compensate for the body's inability to put up with constant beatings.
if you are eating to support your training then overtraining is not generally a problem.

Deloading is just a common thing amongst those who have experience and/or follow structured strength training programs.

[kloan]

Well I gotta say I disagree. I noticed an improvement with the way I've felt the next day after a workout when I lowered the volume of my routines. Since cutting back, I've felt better the next day with more motivation and feeling less shitty. I always eat very well when I train, so I'm pretty sure the onus lies with too high volume.

While I'm new to the concept of deloading, I think it's beneficial for anyone who pushes themselves hard week after week.

Personally, I've found alternating between high volume and high intensity gives me the best of both worlds, without getting burnt out of either one. Or maybe I'm not making any sense at all... it's almost 6am and I haven't gone to sleep yet.

[natenator]

Well I gotta say I disagree. I noticed an improvement with the way I've felt the next day after a workout when I lowered the volume of my routines. Since cutting back, I've felt better the next day with more motivation and feeling less shitty. I always eat very well when I train, so I'm pretty sure the onus lies with too high volume.

While I'm new to the concept of deloading, I think it's beneficial for anyone who pushes themselves hard week after week.

Personally, I've found alternating between high volume and high intensity gives me the best of both worlds, without getting burnt out of either one. Or maybe I'm not making any sense at all... it's almost 6am and I haven't gone to sleep yet.
you disagree because you haven't discovered what it means to eat for real growth.

Those of us who says overtraining is usually a lack of under eating have the experience to back this up. Yes there are and could be other factors for sure but diet/quantity of food is generally the first reason. It's not eating "very well". It's about eating the calories of food to support the style of training that you are doing.

As for rest... haven't you admitted that you generally don't sleep much? If I recall that to be true then you can't say you are resting well enough to support extremely intense training.

[btufts]

Overtraining is very hard when you're getting enough calories, I would have to agree that sleep is also i great factor. I have experienced this the first couple years training when a structured meal plan was nonexistant and i would find myself really sore and exhausted for days after a workout. But for training intensity I go until i puke, which i have, plenty of times. it sucks but i guess you can't go any further than that lol.

[faller]

I've never trained untill i puked, got very light headed but no vomit...

"Stimulation not annihilation"...That was someones sig. on here, i liked it..

[tiramisu]

Overtraining is easy. Under eating can do it but both too much volume or too much intensity over time.

Over training does not happen in a single session but is rather cumulative. Personally my workouts are extremely intense but are also brief and I tend to workout 3 days a weeks and some times 2.

Over the years I have overtrained on high volume, high frequency programs (splites) and I have over trained on the starting strength program once my strength got high enough that the volume X intensity was higher than my ability to recuperate no matter how many calories I consumed.

In general I find that it takes about 3 months of self abuse for me to dig any kind of meaningful overtraining hole.

That said I'm not certain that over training is necessarily a bad thing if you don't mind taking mini-vacations from lifting. Again personally I prefer a program where I don't take breaks as I find exercise very easy to stop and tough to start.

The original question of should you worry about working to hard?

I think that the vast majority 99.9% of people in the gym have never worked too hard. If you pass out or puke more than 2 work outs in a row I would guess you are working out too hard but generally I can't make myself want to lie down on the ground and die more than twice a week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45I-cZtsgno&feature=player_embedded

[Praetorian]

Pushing to the limit is key...but dont mistake pushing (intensity) with volume these are two separate things. As well overtraining is a central nervous system issue and it can happen irregardless of eating habits.
Just like everything else in our bodies, the central nervous system needs fuel to keep it going. If that system is running low on fuel, then performance-including muscle function-is hampered. Specifically, the function of the neurotransmitters-which are responsible for sending signals from the brain to the muscles-are impaired. Limitless high intensity training will depelete these neurotransmitters and lead to adrenal fatigue and its symptoms. The conjugate method and periodization is helpful in preventing overtraining...and injuries.
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[beretta96]

So am I to assume if food, rest and supplements are in check then one should know his body and when the signs show up like possible nausea then it's best to call it a day before an injury occurs?

Sounds logical and I can understand that. Thanks guys.

[fitnurss]

So am I to assume if food, rest and supplements are in check then one should know his body and when the signs show up like possible nausea then it's best to call it a day before an injury occurs?

Sounds logical and I can understand that. Thanks guys.

I dont know there's a trainer I know who has a puke bucket right outside of his studio for that very reason. Legend has it they puke and continue on with their workouts...

[kloan]

Pushing to the limit is key...but dont mistake pushing (intensity) with volume these are two separate things. As well overtraining is a central nervous system issue and it can happen irregardless of eating habits.
Just like everything else in our bodies, the central nervous system needs fuel to keep it going. If that system is running low on fuel, then performance-including muscle function-is hampered. Specifically, the function of the neurotransmitters-which are responsible for sending signals from the brain to the muscles-are impaired. Limitless high intensity training will depelete these neurotransmitters and lead to adrenal fatigue and its symptoms. The conjugate method and periodization is helpful in preventing overtraining...and injuries.
P

Thanks P well put as always.

Nate, once again your post reflects ignorance
based on assumptions. I'm not even going to bother replying to specific points in your condescending post. No point, you obviously still think you know more about me than I know myself, so really why bother.

[natenator]

Thanks P well put as always.

Nate, once again your post reflects ignorance
based on assumptions. I'm not even going to bother replying to specific points in your condescending post. No point, you obviously still think you know more about me than I know myself, so really why bother.
Actually it wasn't condescending at all. Simply trying to offer some help based on the odd thing here or there that you've disclosed to us. eg: sleeping being a problem for you which DOES have an impact on recovery and adrenal fatigue thus creating problems when intense, hard training is involved.

Believe what you will. I really don't care.

[kloan]

Actually it wasn't condescending at all. Simply trying to offer some help based on the odd thing here or there that you've disclosed to us. eg: sleeping being a problem for you which DOES have an impact on recovery and adrenal fatigue thus creating problems when intense, hard training is involved.

Believe what you will. I really don't care.

im grumpy when i first get up so maybe i misinterpreted your tone. im just not sure why you seem to think i dont have the experience or knowledge of eating properly. by eating well i mean i eat a shitload of food (good food), enough for recovery.. any more and im getting fat. what did you think i meant by 'eating well', that i eat big salads? i eat enough to grow, so i must be doing something right.

i have mentioned ive got sleep problems. it takes a while to fall asleep and i wake up frequently. however, i sleep deeply and usually still get 8-9 hour sleep. so do we need 8-9 hours solid, uninterrupted sleep in order to recover properly? if so then my sleep issues could be impeding my recovery.

[Praetorian]

Guys, it was once common place to see overtraining viewed specifically as a muscular issue. And Nate is correct in that increased calories would normally alleviate this issue. Recently however after much anecdotal evidence with high level athletes it has been shown that CNS fatigue is the main contributor to symptoms of overtraining. This is why periodization is so important...its not about training harder, its about training smarter.
P

[kloan]

Right, I assumed we were all talking about CNS fatigue when overtraining was mentioned... guess that explains the eating comments. There's more going on than just muscle recovery. Shit, I've got that down fine... I've enough off n on years experience to account for that. It's all the other things that come with training hard that I'm still learning how to cope with.

[trainharder]

Actually it wasn't condescending at all. Simply trying to offer some help based on the odd thing here or there that you've disclosed to us. eg: sleeping being a problem for you which DOES have an impact on recovery and adrenal fatigue thus creating problems when intense, hard training is involved.

Believe what you will. I really don't care.

God damn it - I'm trying to cut and everytime I read your posts, your username reminds me of Wendy's Baconator...sooo hungry.

http://blog.news-record.com/staff/culture/Baconator%20Ad.jpg

[deletedandgone]

Say someone does chest, so 15 min warm-up on treadmill, some stretches, arm rotations, light push-ups. Then the particular chest day consists of:
Flat Bench
Incline Bench
Flat Dumbbell
Incline Dumbbell
Cable fly, standing upright
Dips, feet kicked back
Finish with 5-15 minutes of non-stop ab work.

I would like a very specific definition of intensity. I read about CNS fatigue before, but I know there are a few definitions of intensity floating around:
1) intensity = sum of number of reps times weight over each set.
2) How hard last set was pushed
3) How many sets were done with maximum weight to fatigue
4) others

My buddy keeps telling me that it's the overall intensity that matters, so the sum of number of reps times weight over all sets on all exercises performed. Is this true?

Also, say someone is doing the first exercise (flat bench) like so:
First set: 10 reps with 45s
Second set: 10 reps with 55s
Third set: 10 reps with 65s (fatigued at 10-th rep)
Fourth set: 8 reps with 75s (fatigued at 8-th rep)

Does this mean that only 2 real sets were done, third and fourth? Should the person have started with 55s and went up 2 sets with 75s, or just added another set with 75s?

[warlock]

Say someone does chest, so 15 min warm-up on treadmill, some stretches, arm rotations, light push-ups. Then the particular chest day consists of:
Flat Bench
Incline Bench
Flat Dumbbell
Incline Dumbbell
Cable fly, standing upright
Dips, feet kicked back
Finish with 5-15 minutes of non-stop ab work.

I would like a very specific definition of intensity. I read about CNS fatigue before, but I know there are a few definitions of intensity floating around:
1) intensity = sum of number of reps times weight over each set.
2) How hard last set was pushed
3) How many sets were done with maximum weight to fatigue
4) others

My buddy keeps telling me that it's the overall intensity that matters, so the sum of number of reps times weight over all sets on all exercises performed. Is this true?

Also, say someone is doing the first exercise (flat bench) like so:
First set: 10 reps with 45s
Second set: 10 reps with 55s
Third set: 10 reps with 65s (fatigued at 10-th rep)
Fourth set: 8 reps with 75s (fatigued at 8-th rep)

Does this mean that only 2 real sets were done, third and fourth? Should the person have started with 55s and went up 2 sets with 75s, or just added another set with 75s?

Intensity = % 1 RM.

The rest is ignorance!

Loading parameters are depending on the type of training (strength, endurance, hypertrophy etc...)

[warlock]

i have mentioned ive got sleep problems. it takes a while to fall asleep and i wake up frequently. however, i sleep deeply and usually still get 8-9 hour sleep. so do we need 8-9 hours solid, uninterrupted sleep in order to recover properly? if so then my sleep issues could be impeding my recovery.

The fat that you spent 8 hours in bed asleep doesn't mean necessarily that you are recovering well.

The further from 10 pm you go to bed less efficient your results will be.

The more noise, light, electromagnetic field etc the less efficient.

If you have disturbing dreams worse.

The list goes on.

I have been fighting low quality sleep for years. Pm me if you want more info.

[warlock]

Personally I just train ball to walls.

If I feel that my body is not responding well that given day I stretch, meditate or do any other sort of recovery aiding activity

[Gemini]

I always try to push myself to the limit. Working out without pushing yourself to the limit shouldn't be call a "workout". I mean you're only going to benefit from your workout if you break through every barrier. If you always stay with the same weight, do the same number of sets without ever turning it up a notch, you won't see any real improvements; unless of course, you're goal is to maintain a status quo. If you push yourself to the limit and you can keep up with the recovery process, you're set! If you are able to get enough sleep, eat the right foods, eat at the right time and maintain a healthy lifestyle, GO FOR IT PUSH YOURSELF TO THE LIMIT! I find that the recovery process is always the hardest part of working out hard and whenever I neglect in any form the recovery process, whether it's be the slightest meal I skip, that's when I feel sore 2 days after.

[Gemini]

The further from 10 pm you go to bed less efficient your results will be.


How is that? I'd like to know. Thanks

[deletedandgone]

Loading parameters are depending on the type of training (strength, endurance, hypertrophy etc...)

For maximum volume / mass (hypertrophy), what are the exact parameters in the example that I described (flat benchpress)?

[warlock]

For maximum volume / mass (hypertrophy), what are the exact parameters in the example that I described (flat benchpress)?

Most people work using 8-12 rep range 70-85% RM

[warlock]

How is that? I'd like to know. Thanks

10 pm until 2am = endocrine system recovery (cortisol is flushed out of the body)

2 am until 6 am = physical recovery (in the absence of cortisol the muscles can repair properly)


If you go to bed at 1 am your body doesn't have time to recover from cortisol exposure, the adrenals don't get a break and them when you wake up yur adrenals are overworked ad you have a ton of stress hormone causing havoc before your day starts

You can get a more in dept answer researching , corsisol, adrenal fatigue and circadian cycles

[Gemini]

10 pm until 2am = endocrine system recovery (cortisol is flushed out of the body)

2 am until 6 am = physical recovery (in the absence of cortisol the muscles can repair properly)


If you go to bed at 1 am your body doesn't have time to recover from cortisol exposure, the adrenals don't get a break and them when you wake up yur adrenals are overworked ad you have a ton of stress hormone causing havoc before your day starts

You can get a more in dept answer researching , corsisol, adrenal fatigue and circadian cycles

Thanks a lot, I've been trying to find information on the subject. I've been telling my brother for the longest time that he doesn't get result at the gym because he doesn't go to bed at the right time. He always replied that he still gets at least 9 hours every night: going to bed at 1am and waking up at 10am. Do you know if I can find any other good articles on the subject so I can finally show it to him as proof!

[agingtechie]

10 pm until 2am = endocrine system recovery (cortisol is flushed out of the body)

2 am until 6 am = physical recovery (in the absence of cortisol the muscles can repair properly)


If you go to bed at 1 am your body doesn't have time to recover from cortisol exposure, the adrenals don't get a break and them when you wake up yur adrenals are overworked ad you have a ton of stress hormone causing havoc before your day starts

You can get a more in dept answer researching , corsisol, adrenal fatigue and circadian cycles

I have to find more info about this too. My recovery time is way to hit and miss. And, from what I have read your life depends on this stuff as you get older.

[deletedandgone]

Most people work using 8-12 rep range 70-85% RM

Right, but you would first pyramid up to this weight, then do how many sets using this weight? 3? And like you said, 70-85% 1RM, so the weight can be changed during those last sets as long as it stays in 70-85% 1RM, am I correct?

[tex]

Say someone does chest, so 15 min warm-up on treadmill, some stretches, arm rotations, light push-ups. Then the particular chest day consists of:
Flat Bench
Incline Bench
Flat Dumbbell
Incline Dumbbell
Cable fly, standing upright
Dips, feet kicked back
Finish with 5-15 minutes of non-stop ab work.

I would like a very specific definition of intensity. I read about CNS fatigue before, but I know there are a few definitions of intensity floating around:
1) intensity = sum of number of reps times weight over each set.
2) How hard last set was pushed
3) How many sets were done with maximum weight to fatigue
4) others

My buddy keeps telling me that it's the overall intensity that matters, so the sum of number of reps times weight over all sets on all exercises performed. Is this true?

Also, say someone is doing the first exercise (flat bench) like so:
First set: 10 reps with 45s
Second set: 10 reps with 55s
Third set: 10 reps with 65s (fatigued at 10-th rep)
Fourth set: 8 reps with 75s (fatigued at 8-th rep)

Does this mean that only 2 real sets were done, third and fourth? Should the person have started with 55s and went up 2 sets with 75s, or just added another set with 75s?
you're doing too much....you need 2-3 only....

[btufts]

I've found over time that 3 sets for 3 exercises per muscle group works perfectly for myself, although on my last set i may do a drop set or compound set with an isolation exercise.

[519Muscle]

i find that i have to push myself harder to get in all my meals then i do my workouts.

[kloan]

10 pm until 2am = endocrine system recovery (cortisol is flushed out of the body)

2 am until 6 am = physical recovery (in the absence of cortisol the muscles can repair properly)


If you go to bed at 1 am your body doesn't have time to recover from cortisol exposure, the adrenals don't get a break and them when you wake up yur adrenals are overworked ad you have a ton of stress hormone causing havoc before your day starts

You can get a more in dept answer researching , corsisol, adrenal fatigue and circadian cycles
well then im quite ****ed.

i get to sleep somewhere around 5am and get up around 2pm. i hate it, but im completely stuck in a very bad pattern. seeing this has given me another reason to try harder to fix my ****ed up sleep schedule.

[kloan]

The fat that you spent 8 hours in bed asleep doesn't mean necessarily that you are recovering well.

The further from 10 pm you go to bed less efficient your results will be.

The more noise, light, electromagnetic field etc the less efficient.

If you have disturbing dreams worse.

The list goes on.

I have been fighting low quality sleep for years. Pm me if you want more info.
Saw this post after the one I quoted.

It's interesting you mention dreams, since most of mine could be defined as 'disturbing'. Most are usually pretty stressful in one way or another. I always have REM sleep, every night, and dreams are always vivid. Probably another reason why I wake up feeling wiped out.

I did check out the audio thing you told me about before, but I didn't really give it a chance. I think I'll load it up on my iPod again and see if I can dedicate some time with it.

Another thing I'm going to try using to help me with falling asleep sooner/quicker is Ashwagandha. It's supposedly very useful in aiding with sleep, so I hope it'll help.

Been taking an adrenal support supplement, Palo Alto Labs Reset-A.D. So far I haven't noticed any improvements in anything except caffeine sensitivity.

[beretta96]

Hey Kloan, your sleep problems could seriously affect your health if not taken care of. About a year and a half ago, I was working nights 12 hour shifts and almost got killed changing a 600 volt fuse with the power on! My sleep pattern was a mess like yours. I could literally fall asleep in 20 seconds or less with lights out and quiet. I had high blood pressure, migrain headaches in the mornings eating imitrex like candy, and constant fatigue.

I ended up going to a sleep clinic in Parry Sound, he's the best in Ontario. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea. During the sleep study, it was revealed that I would quit breathing 20 to 30 times an hour and between 5 to 20 seconds in length. I had no idea this was going on! I now have to sleep with a CPAP for the rest of my life. It was very hard to deal with at first since I'm only 36 but I tell you, after a week of good sleep it's worth it.

I'm not suggesting you have apnea, your symptoms don't sound right, but I would recommend talking to a sleep doctor. You definitely feel like a freak getting wired up for bed, it's very disturbing at least for me anyways, but it is worth it in the end.

In my case, when I would quit breathing, my body would release adrenalin to wake me up to start breathing again, then fall asleep and repeat this pattern. So much adrenalin and endorphins cursing through your body at night when you're CNS is suppose to be recharging is just so taxing on your blood pressure and since you're not charging, hence the constant fatigue.

It's well worth the look.

[deletedandgone]

I took one of those sleep tests once, my thing is purely stress-related, but I have no sleep apnea. I do have reduced REM sleep time, so I'm looking into this right now. I get a bit drowsy in the late afternoon.

Kloan - getting a sleep study done is a good idea. At least in Canada it's free - in the States you're looking at $2K US.

[jamex]

Hehe gotcha beat. I forget the frequency of apnea events but it was something ridiculous... but the REAL killer was that it was approaching 2 minutes of arrested breathing...I'm guessing that still included some struggled breath to get in but they measure the time it takes to jump back into a regular breathing rythmn. Got the severe apnea diagnosis and picked up a CPAP. That was years ago and to this day I've never been able to stay on the damn machine for more than a few weeks without retiring it for months before trying it again. :( Any time I have insomnia and I'm wearing the mask I'm inclined to blame the machine which is more than likely not responsible. FWIW my apnea has probably improved dramatically since I stopped drinking. Alcohol will wreak havoc on your airways while trying to sleep.

[Rhinobolt10]

I train as hard as is required to meet my goals for that session.

I've heard lots of different theories, some top level guys say to train like it's your job, completely emotionless and they feel that getting too amped up is going to be overly draining in the long run. That's from a top level canadian powerlifter and former champ weightlifter who knows his stuff. That's more for power lifting tho where your nervous system plays a key roll.

Then I see other guys I train with on a regular basis who are just freaking animals, headbutting bars, talking to themselves, yadda yadda, it doesn't seem to hurt them too much.


Buuuut.... if you feel like throwing up after an upper body workout... that would be a red light for me these days... lower body, kay cool, that happens.. but upper body, unless you're a top level bodybuilder who's body is responsible for his livelihood.... then I'd be a touch concerned.

Really.

Last time I was throwing up during workouts I wound up in the hospital a month later, I chalked it up to just pushing harder than usual, more stress yadda yadda...

So I guess, really be honest with yourself and ask if you're pushing it that hard? like have you just not been doing your cardio? Or is it something else...

My 2 cents man.

[kloan]

Hey Kloan, your sleep problems could seriously affect your health if not taken care of. About a year and a half ago, I was working nights 12 hour shifts and almost got killed changing a 600 volt fuse with the power on! My sleep pattern was a mess like yours. I could literally fall asleep in 20 seconds or less with lights out and quiet. I had high blood pressure, migrain headaches in the mornings eating imitrex like candy, and constant fatigue.

I ended up going to a sleep clinic in Parry Sound, he's the best in Ontario. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea. During the sleep study, it was revealed that I would quit breathing 20 to 30 times an hour and between 5 to 20 seconds in length. I had no idea this was going on! I now have to sleep with a CPAP for the rest of my life. It was very hard to deal with at first since I'm only 36 but I tell you, after a week of good sleep it's worth it.

I'm not suggesting you have apnea, your symptoms don't sound right, but I would recommend talking to a sleep doctor. You definitely feel like a freak getting wired up for bed, it's very disturbing at least for me anyways, but it is worth it in the end.

In my case, when I would quit breathing, my body would release adrenalin to wake me up to start breathing again, then fall asleep and repeat this pattern. So much adrenalin and endorphins cursing through your body at night when you're CNS is suppose to be recharging is just so taxing on your blood pressure and since you're not charging, hence the constant fatigue.

It's well worth the look.

I have experienced sleep anea before, and I could very well be suffering from it more than I am aware of. I have awoken basically gasping for breath.. heart racing, sweating, feel like I had been holding my breath. It doesn't happen all the time though. Not sure I like the idea of having to wear a device while I sleep.. seems like it would interfere.. but I'm open to going to a sleep clinic. Considering I have never, ever felt rested from sleep.. something's definitely up.

As far as my insomnia goes... right now I think the gear and caffeine's mostly to blame. Gonna order the sleep aid stuff from Trueprotein when I get my funds in order... I have to order more protein as well anyway.. wish I hadn't missed their holiday sale. :(

[jamex]

I have experienced sleep anea before, and I could very well be suffering from it more than I am aware of. I have awoken basically gasping for breath.. heart racing, sweating, feel like I had been holding my breath. It doesn't happen all the time though. Not sure I like the idea of having to wear a device while I sleep.. seems like it would interfere.. but I'm open to going to a sleep clinic. Considering I have never, ever felt rested from sleep.. something's definitely up.

As far as my insomnia goes... right now I think the gear and caffeine's mostly to blame. Gonna order the sleep aid stuff from Trueprotein when I get my funds in order... I have to order more protein as well anyway.. wish I hadn't missed their holiday sale. :(

chances are its still happening even when you don't think it is. my gf had to tell me that i stopped breathing in my sleep otherwise i would never have known any different. she was concerned enough she researched it to death and diagnosed me with apnea before i even hit the sleep clinic heh. and yeah wearing a mask thats pushing air into you while you sleep sucks dude...but then so does constant adrenal fatigue and lack of quality sleep and early onset of cardiac problems ;)

[ironwill]

I've never trained untill i puked, got very light headed but no vomit...

"Stimulation not annihilation"...That was someones sig. on here, i liked it..

Quote from Lee Haney...stimulate, dont annihilate...

[ironwill]

Guys, it was once common place to see overtraining viewed specifically as a muscular issue. And Nate is correct in that increased calories would normally alleviate this issue. Recently however after much anecdotal evidence with high level athletes it has been shown that CNS fatigue is the main contributor to symptoms of overtraining. This is why periodization is so important...its not about training harder, its about training smarter.
P

100 percent agreed here........Its a big part of DC trng, cns recovery and periodization.......

[beretta96]

The machine I have now is the ResMed Elite II nasal CPAP. It's a much smaller unit, it comes with a humidifier if needed and the beauty of this guy is when you exhale through your nose, the machine realizes the backpressure and ramps down quickly to it's lowest setpoint so you're not pushing against the full pressure that's required for your needs.

I don't wear a large mask, it's a small nasal unit although the hose is still 3/8". Rolling over at night sometimes moves the mask and you have to adjust but you do get use to it very easily, at least I did.

My wife's plan paid half so for my output was $600. Not cheap but worth it for health's sake.

[HULK]

Balls to the wall every time...otherwise whats the point...
On some occassions, especially after a leg work, I have to lie down on the floor...