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GYMBRAT
15-12-2009, 10:01 PM
A friend has a female half Rotti, half Brindal Pittbull pup to give me.......but does anyone know of that mix of temperament between the two?

Just curious for my 4 yr old and 2 yr old kids as they love to do MMA LOL......Thanks

O-Train
15-12-2009, 10:17 PM
I don't know a lot about those breeds but I work with dogs. I would say it depends a lot on the owners and how the animals are handled/treated. Also some dogs are just naturally anxious, some are friendly and docile, some are very high energy and some are naturally more aggressive than others (male and female). In general females are not as agressive, but not always.

Have you had a lot of dogs in the past? Are you comfortable with having a large dog around your small children? Bringing the dog in as a puppy would help the situation a lot. The dog should get accustomed to your family and your kids. Although like you said if the children are playing rough with a puppy they may get chewed on and puppy teeth are sharp.

tiramisu
15-12-2009, 10:22 PM
Extremely hard to tell without the pedigree of the bully.

In general...

The terriers tend to be animal aggressive but people loving. TRAINING and LEADERSHIP is required they are a pack animal and you definitely have to be the boss.

There have been efforts to breed the aggression out of the bully's in some of the lines but it is in their nature not to back down and not to stop once they get going which is why they have such a bad rep.

The reason why their owners love them so much is that they are smart, loyal, loving, and good with children BUT an untrained dog will bite to protect and may very well eat the neighbors cat or dog if not properly trained from an early age.

This is not going to be a low maintenance dog or even an easy dog to own.

BUT If I lived outside of the city and had the room it would be on my list of dogs to own. I have a weakness for Labs and Golden Retrievers but the Bully's are darn fine working animals.

GYMBRAT
15-12-2009, 10:39 PM
thanks guys!
I have owned Pit bulls through out my life as one of my best bros used to breed them. Also have had friends with Rottis and have found that they can be awesome family dogs (bullies) as well.....we have a large yard in town, and I love bigger dogs, always have. I also do believe it is all in how they are raised that determines what their outcome is in life (aggressive or none aggressive)

guest
15-12-2009, 11:46 PM
in my experience the majority of 'pitt bull' attacks you read about are pittbull crosses, especially lab crosses.

ab_chic25
15-12-2009, 11:59 PM
in my experience the majority of 'pitt bull' attacks you read about are pittbull crosses, especially lab crosses.

Not true, yeah sure some are crosses but honestly there are just as many Rottie, Dobi and all other type of dogs that attack each year. But because bullies have a bad rep they are the ones that make the news.

Gymbrat: If the pup is under 3mths then it will be the best time to bring it in the family. As most dogs have a basic idea of what they can and can not do by then. I mean my lab x I have now is great, but my old shep x man she was a B!!tch. She would go after anyone if they got to near me or wasnt white(yep she was racist). Only kid she let near enough her to touch her was my niece , and thats only because I brought her around her as a pup.

tiramisu
16-12-2009, 03:30 AM
Bullies have a bad rep because when they bite they don't let go and they don't stop. As dogs go this is fairly unusual behavior and generally scares the shit out of anyone who has seen it.

Love the dogs but they aren't for people who aren't Dog people.

guest
16-12-2009, 04:05 AM
Not true, yeah sure some are crosses but honestly there are just as many Rottie, Dobi and all other type of dogs that attack each year. But because bullies have a bad rep they are the ones that make the news.

Gymbrat: If the pup is under 3mths then it will be the best time to bring it in the family. As most dogs have a basic idea of what they can and can not do by then. I mean my lab x I have now is great, but my old shep x man she was a B!!tch. She would go after anyone if they got to near me or wasnt white(yep she was racist). Only kid she let near enough her to touch her was my niece , and thats only because I brought her around her as a pup.

let me clear up any misconceptions. i had an amstaff for 13yrs and just put him down this summer. i am a SUPPORTER of the breed.

now on to what i said in my post - yes it is true. being hassled as an amstaff owner by bullshit newspaper reporting and general ignorance i actually began to look into these articles and reports, i had a meeting with a mayor, i called reporters and talked to them directly. MOST 'pittbull attacks' that happened in my neck of the woods were actually pittxlab mixes. now i know you dont breed a shepard with a poodle and call it a poodle, so why call a lab cross a pittbull? that was my point ab_chic as he was asking about the temperament of a pitty cross and i agree with you, there are many attacks by many breeds which are not reported.

MMASTAR
16-12-2009, 06:16 AM
i think this would be a great cross, very loyal and a great companion. I also think this would be the kind of dog who needs your around quite a bit and to always be the alpha male. Be sure to socialize him as a pupy with other puppys and children. Proper obedience training would be required to i think. I would love to see a few pics if you could. I think this would be a great cross.

C-money
16-12-2009, 10:07 AM
Hey GB me and my ex had one a few years back, hes an awesome dog! Very loyal/smart! id own another one

waderow
16-12-2009, 10:09 AM
why risk it? YOu have kids to think about...also you need to think about the kids friends that come over. etc etc. Personally I think it would be retarded to bring a POTENTIALLY vicious dog into your household.... and whether you pitbull lovers want to believe it or not, the dogs have short fuses and can be dangerous.... A bite or nip from another dog becomes an all out mauling once the pittbull temperment comes out.

get a boxer or some other mild tempered dog.

_Ragnar_
16-12-2009, 10:23 AM
German Shepard FTW

guest
16-12-2009, 10:34 PM
why risk it? YOu have kids to think about...also you need to think about the kids friends that come over. etc etc. Personally I think it would be retarded to bring a POTENTIALLY vicious dog into your household.... and whether you pitbull lovers want to believe it or not, the dogs have short fuses and can be dangerous.... A bite or nip from another dog becomes an all out mauling once the pittbull temperment comes out.

get a boxer or some other mild tempered dog.

a boxer is without a doubt a mild tempered dog with no chance of attacking? based on what? your years of experience in dog breed psychology? check it out, do a search, talk to a vet, you might surprise yourself.

the pittbull side of a cross breed turns a nip into a maul? is that kind of like how the frosted side of a miniwheat is sweet? or maybe if your father beat your mother you will be genetically set to beat your own wife regardless if you want to or not.

i can agree that it is not wise to introduce a potentially dangerous animal to the ones you love but one has to realize what a potentially dangerous animal is.

waderow
16-12-2009, 10:36 PM
a boxer is without a doubt a mild tempered dog with no chance of attacking? based on what? your years of experience in dog breed psychology? check it out, do a search, talk to a vet, you might surprise yourself.

the pittbull side of a cross breed turns a nip into a maul? is that kind of like how the frosted side of a miniwheat is sweet? or maybe if your father beat your mother you will be genetically set to beat your own wife regardless if you want to or not.

i can agree that it is not wise to introduce a potentially dangerous animal to the ones you love but one has to realize what a potentially dangerous animal is.

ahhhh, a pit bull apologist. there is a reason why they are banned in so many places... people just didnt make that shit up

waderow
16-12-2009, 10:38 PM
and p.s. if your father beat your mother, you will likely abuse your significant other.,... not genetics...but behavioural

guest
16-12-2009, 10:44 PM
German Shepard FTW

BTW my father's purebred shepard attacked 3 strangers without provocation. not a nip but punctured skin and blood requiring bandaging in 2 cases. strangely no one insisted he be put down. if it had been my amstaff the news cameras would have been there and my dog would have been euthanized. the shepard also bit my dog more than a few times and my staff did nothing, just walked away from him. this is in a 13 yr span......doesnt quite fit the mold does it?

i like shepards, they can be great. they can also be not so great....just like any other breed. did you know they are also the 2nd hardest biting breed next to a rottie?

waderow
16-12-2009, 10:47 PM
yes, shepards bit a fair bit too

the difference is that a pit bull is 1000 times more vicious and doesnt quit

that is why there is a stigma

BBbox
16-12-2009, 10:50 PM
well the fact that rotties and pitbulls are considered the two most dangerous dogs... would prolly make me re-consider having one around small children

(they litterally made it as # 1 and 2 on Americas "top 10 most dangerous dog breeds" list)

This is why pitbulls are the main dogs used in dog fights, and rotties are largely used as guard dogs

guest
16-12-2009, 10:53 PM
ahhhh, a pit bull apologist. there is a reason why they are banned in so many places... people just didnt make that shit up

the sorry fact is that yes, they do make up a lot of that shit. is it so surprising that the media would blow other subjects out of proportion but not this? seriously man, i can understand why you are thinking the way you are but please stop for a second and just for the hell of it try and look at it from the other side. check out boxers.....

"and p.s. if your father beat your mother, you will likely abuse your significant other.,... not genetics...but behavioural" - exactly, thank you. this is why people take the time to train and socialize dogs.

waderow
16-12-2009, 10:55 PM
there are statistics, and pit bulls LOSE. again... the shit is not fiction

BBbox
16-12-2009, 10:56 PM
Pitbulls have an a large inbred instinct to attack ANYTHING they see as a "slight" threat... they are responsible for 67% human fatalities from dogs (55% of which were people under 18)

Next is rottie, because they are very territorial and this makes them tend to be more aggressive... responsible for 12%

O-Train
16-12-2009, 10:57 PM
BTW my father's purebred shepard attacked 3 strangers without provocation. not a nip but punctured skin and blood requiring bandaging in 2 cases. strangely no one insisted he be put down. if it had been my amstaff the news cameras would have been there and my dog would have been euthanized. the shepard also bit my dog more than a few times and my staff did nothing, just walked away from him. this is in a 13 yr span......doesnt quite fit the mold does it?

i like shepards, they can be great. they can also be not so great....just like any other breed. did you know they are also the 2nd hardest biting breed next to a rottie?

A mastiff has a much, much stronger bite than both a german shepard and a rottweiler. It has to do with the size of the head and jaw. Although I agree about German Shepards in that they can be agressive and tempermental.

waderow
16-12-2009, 11:02 PM
a must read for the pit bull apologists... read the whole thing

guest
16-12-2009, 11:03 PM
there are statistics, and pit bulls LOSE. again... the shit is not fiction

ah, statistics.... well then, they are never wrong, biased or skewed.

waderow
16-12-2009, 11:07 PM
ah, statistics.... well then, they are never wrong, biased or skewed.

get ****ing real. these are real stats based on reported dog attacks by breed which include maiming, death, child, adult factors. How can you just ignore it?
I hope your kids never get mauled by a pit, because **** would you look stupid

guest
16-12-2009, 11:08 PM
a must read for the pit bull apologists... read the whole thing

did you read the whole thing? did you come across this when you were researching boxers? as you recommended them as a safe family pet.

waderow
16-12-2009, 11:08 PM
another thing to consider is the demographics... there are far less pitbulls then the other breeds with high numbers.

the pit bull breed should be eradicated

guest
16-12-2009, 11:11 PM
the pit bull breed should be eradicated


are you getting upset?

waderow
16-12-2009, 11:14 PM
are you getting upset?

no, i dont give a shit as I have not personally been affected by a pit yet, but if I am ever, the irresponsible ****head owner is going to be ruined, and the dog will be dead

guest
17-12-2009, 12:08 AM
no, i dont give a shit as I have not personally been affected by a pit yet, but if I am ever, the irresponsible ****head owner is going to be ruined, and the dog will be dead

fair enough and rightly so.

i on the other-hand do give a shit. having owned and loved an amstaff for close to a decade and a half, i feel disappointed when people make generalizations and believe everything they hear. it affected my daily life for a long time. these people have no experience, they read 'facts' or watch the news. it's like someone that has never had kids or any interaction with them writing a book on how to properly raise a child.

i usually agree with your points of view and its not hard to see how you could view this topic the way you do.

c'est la vie.

ab_chic25
17-12-2009, 12:46 AM
Pitbulls have an a large inbred instinct to attack ANYTHING they see as a "slight" threat... they are responsible for 67% human fatalities from dogs (55% of which were people under 18)

Next is rottie, because they are very territorial and this makes them tend to be more aggressive... responsible for 12%


Ok so my dog isnt a pitt, but he gives chase to cats and other small animals outside...............does that mean he is a "bad breed"..nope
If he was to eat a small animal or get a cat, then of course he will be dealt with in a proper manner. If you wanna get a nice dog, looks like a pitt but is pure white, can kill a wild boar and was bred for fighting?? Get a Dogo...It says the dogo should be the only dog in the house as well as no cats or other small animals due to the hunting instinct. But guess what, everyone I know that has one has a cat or some other small animal, has the dog tried to kill it??? Nope, it comes down to how the dog is raised by the owner. Yes I wanted a mean dog years ago, so I raised a mean dog. My dogs are always raised with love, care and respect. Like my dog now I know if someone was to try and hurt me, I hope they can run..... But then if I was to let you in my house, he will be your best friend.

Also its like saying "ok,here is a pitt, it will bite you, no matter how it is raised". WTF, ok so they bite, all dogs bite. My grandma's standered POODLE had to be put down cause she bit 3 ppl in a year. A golden ret, and blue heeler almost killed my cousin years ago, all for playing in the backyard..

sorry about the long post.......lol......... I hate it most of all when ppl blame dogs just because of the breed...its the same as saying, your white, your ok, but you the native are not. When yet we came to their land.

MMASTAR
17-12-2009, 02:06 AM
its all how they are raised, there is only bad owners not bad dogs, some breeds require more attention than others, you shouldnt get a dog like this unless you are willing to put in the time and effort it takes to properply train him/her. This being said i love staffies and rottis, two of the most loyal breeds.

MMASTAR
17-12-2009, 02:20 AM
dogo looks like a very nice breed BTW..also not for beginers..just wanted to say that i got a rotti same time my son was born, we had her until he was 2, she was the best dog ever for him, if she was sleeping on the floor and he decided to walk over jump on her and pretend she was a horse, she would wake up see what was going on and stay laing down without moving, she let him pull on her ears as reins and everything. By 1 she was wearing a harness and pulling him in a sleigh, they were great for each other, never an issue, proper socilization is a must.

_Ragnar_
17-12-2009, 09:58 AM
BTW my father's purebred shepard attacked 3 strangers without provocation. not a nip but punctured skin and blood requiring bandaging in 2 cases. strangely no one insisted he be put down. if it had been my amstaff the news cameras would have been there and my dog would have been euthanized. the shepard also bit my dog more than a few times and my staff did nothing, just walked away from him. this is in a 13 yr span......doesnt quite fit the mold does it?

i like shepards, they can be great. they can also be not so great....just like any other breed. did you know they are also the 2nd hardest biting breed next to a rottie?

I know there are bad dogs in every breed. I have had shepards my whole life and have never seen one even come close to attacking a person unprovoked. The are however EXTREMELY protective of their owners. If they feel you are being threatened look out. My brother and his friend were boxing in the front yard and my dog knocked my brothers friend to the ground and stood on his chest growling in his face until my brother had a chance to get him off.


I wouldn't think twice about letting my baby (not that i have one) play with my parents german shepard. My mom runs a daycare and the small children play with him all the time. If they had a pitty (i love them BTW) that would never happen.

waderow
17-12-2009, 10:08 AM
fair enough and rightly so.

i on the other-hand do give a shit. having owned and loved an amstaff for close to a decade and a half, i feel disappointed when people make generalizations and believe everything they hear. it affected my daily life for a long time. these people have no experience, they read 'facts' or watch the news. it's like someone that has never had kids or any interaction with them writing a book on how to properly raise a child.

i usually agree with your points of view and its not hard to see how you could view this topic the way you do.

c'est la vie.

its not a generalization. It is a fact. thats the problem. Youre like a pot head that says pot is good. Your like a drunk who says I can drive just as good over .08. You are biased because you love your dog, and good for you bro. Animal lovers are great people. But I am NOT biased. I stay on top of current events, and read up on statistics, have heard first hand dog attack stories involving pits. The breed is not a family pet worthy breed. Plain and simple. Honestly ask yourself what would happen if the 2yo next door neighbor entered your yard, ran up to your pit, and tried to give it a big kiss on the snout. I shutter to think about the consequences. Now you say many breeds would possibly bite in a situation like that, and youre right. BUT, the difference is the pit will kill the toddler, and a shepard or a poodle, or a lab will bite the kids face, and then that will be the end of it. Still a horrible tragedy, but better than being ripped apart.

GYMBRAT
17-12-2009, 11:48 AM
whaaaa,whaaaaa, was a good thread.......everything has to be an argument eh!

...in the end imo it is all bout how they are raised, all dogs bite if provoked!

waderow
17-12-2009, 12:23 PM
whaaaa,whaaaaa, was a good thread.......everything has to be an argument eh!

...in the end imo it is all bout how they are raised, all dogs bite if provoked!

and pits kill

GYMBRAT
17-12-2009, 06:22 PM
so do I :D......I do agree they are more prone to the aggressive way than most and that is why I asked the original question and have decided to not go with the pup, nothing is more important than my lil shits LOL

gicantor
17-12-2009, 06:38 PM
^^^nice signature ;)

GYMBRAT
17-12-2009, 06:41 PM
had to score it, love that lil verse haha, thanks good buddy ;)

_Ragnar_
17-12-2009, 07:49 PM
What is the male Gymbrat?

GYMBRAT
17-12-2009, 09:45 PM
He's a Brindal Bully bro

guest
18-12-2009, 05:44 AM
and pits kill

people kill. it's true, check the statistics......

i thought you said you didnt give a shit about this? i think we are beating a dead horse here bro.

.......and you do realize you recommended a child killer and a leader in biting statistics (the .pdf you posted) as a mild tempered family pet right?



get a boxer or some other mild tempered dog.

waderow
18-12-2009, 09:59 AM
people kill. it's true, check the statistics......

i thought you said you didnt give a shit about this? i think we are beating a dead horse here bro.

.......and you do realize you recommended a child killer and a leader in biting statistics (the .pdf you posted) as a mild tempered family pet right?

this isnt about people.

pitbulls account for a significant portion of attacks and worse yet, fatalities yet have an estimated population of ~3% of all dogs.
do the math

and the one boxer death youre referring to involved a rotty. They both get pinned with the same fatality stat

guest
18-12-2009, 09:12 PM
this isnt about people.

pitbulls account for a significant portion of attacks and worse yet, fatalities yet have an estimated population of ~3% of all dogs.
do the math

and the one boxer death youre referring to involved a rotty. They both get pinned with the same fatality stat

boxers kill children bro, it's a 'fact'. all you know is that a rottie was there when it happened, if you draw more than that from it you are skewing the data. you are either with the stats or not.

waderow
18-12-2009, 10:14 PM
boxers kill children bro, it's a 'fact'. all you know is that a rottie was there when it happened, if you draw more than that from it you are skewing the data. you are either with the stats or not.

what are you...a teenager?

guest
18-12-2009, 11:36 PM
what are you...a teenager?

i was emulating you.