Neck injury - lower or maintain dose?

[kloan]

Still on cycle, approaching week 9... hurt my neck, wasn't that serious.. went to a chiropractor, now the pain is severe and I can't work out (stupid ****er thanks).

Should I lower my dose as I'm taking a time off, or should I maintain the current dose? It kinda seems like a waste to keep injecting the higher volume if I'm not working out, but if I lower it for like a week or so then bump it back up, would that cause any complications with anything?

[Ritch]

Sometimes when you go see a chiro you can feel pain the day of or after, but then you`re fine.

[gicantor]

Still on cycle, approaching week 9... hurt my neck, wasn't that serious.. went to a chiropractor, now the pain is severe and I can't work out (stupid ****er thanks).

Should I lower my dose as I'm taking a time off, or should I maintain the current dose? It kinda seems like a waste to keep injecting the higher volume if I'm not working out, but if I lower it for like a week or so then bump it back up, would that cause any complications with anything?

If your on a long ester I wouldn't bother lowering it for a week. IMO.

And never go to chiro's. I don't trust them at all.

[kloan]

Sometimes when you go see a chiro you can feel pain the day of or after, but then you`re fine.
That's what I was hoping Ritch, but I've seen him 3 times now and each time it got progressively worse.

I wake up now barely able to move my left side because it hurts so much.. ****ing pain extends from my neck into my shoulder. I just don't trust this guy... he presses in one spot, makes an adjustment, asks if it hurts, I say yes, does another 'adjustment' (not even cracking, just some pressing) then presses in a slightly different spot, and asks if it still hurts... the spot he presses doesn't hurt as much so I say no, not as much and voila he thinks I think he actually did something helpful.

I'm wondering if doing the cracking thing can make an injury worse depending on where and what the injury is. He did this one 'adjustment' where I leaned back into him with my hands on my head and my neck cracked... it causes 15 mins of temporary relief, so when he asked me if it felt better, I said yes, because it did... then 20 mins later I'm driving home the pain starts to come back, and by night time I can barely move without it catching and seizing and feeling like someone's stabbing me in the ****ing neck.

So anyway.. sorry for the rambling rant.. I'm just pissed off with the whole thing.

But I guess I'll just keep with the same dose.... and I'm just gonna extend my cycle to make up for this set back.


If your on a long ester I wouldn't bother lowering it for a week. IMO.

And never go to chiro's. I don't trust them at all.

Yeah, me neither man. Even more so now.

[cog]

If he's lost your trust this could be worse,you won't relax as he's making adjustments and this could be bad....ask him why you're not feeling better.

[kloan]

Well, I was relaxed when he made the adjustment, because I do know that's important when they're crackin my spine. But, I gave it 3 visits... made my decision the last day I went (Friday).

I think the problem is he's not taking what I'm telling him seriously... it seems like he's treating it as though it's a minor pain in the neck, from what he thinks is because of misalignment in my spine.

The problem with that is that this is a real injury, not some minor discomfort.. so whatever 'adjustments' he's doing to my lower spine isn't going to do shit to relieve the pain in my neck, because it's most likely something like a torn muscle. All these guys say the same thing... you're hurting here because this is out of place down here, blah blah blah... well actually, no.. it's hurting because I did shrugs and the weight was too heavy. Meanwhile, $50 every visit only to feel worse after is just not something I'm comfortable with.

If I were still in Canada, I'd go get scans done to see what's really going on in there. I can't even imagine how much that'd cost down here though.

[Ritch]

I feel your pain though with chiro`s. I saw one for about a year and a half (about $1500later) without much improvement with my hip pain. Saw another for weeks on end with the same results. I think memo here had some success with the trueback device that he lays on. You can buy one for about what you`re paying now for a visit. I don`t know if you have a foam roller, but those are great just to lie on and roll down the spine as well. But **** do those treatments get expensive fast. You have to be realistic and tell yourself that any serious problem will take a good 10 visits to take care of. And that`s if you`re lucky. My Dr Ho electrostimulation device works good at easing up muscle pain as well. Not a bad device for $220 delivered to your door.

[cog]

Your shrugs were too heavy and your upper spine could not maintain form.It is true that some chiros have a prejudice that more problems are caused by a certain area not having correct curvature.Some are good with upper back,some with the neck...He may be correct that your problems begin with a certain area...Were you going extra heavy?I kind of doubt anything is actually torn,although you may feel different at the moment.Obviously something is not right kloan,you repeatedly have these problems...maybe a trainer would be a better investment once you feel better?I think you should switch to db shrugs.

[Ritch]

^^^ Dumbell shrugs for sure!

[kloan]

yeah its possible other areas could be contributing to the problem, but i dont think anything he's done for me has helped. and yeah this is the same area i had problems with before. DB shrugs would be ideal, but my powerblocks only go up to 50lbs... $200 to get the add-on weights is a bit steep. a personal trainer is something i really want to look into next year. there are some lifts i think i could use some help with, mainly compound lifts. i want to work with someone good though, and that's $$$$$$$. worth the investment though, to avoid shit like this.. though common sense (ie: stop going too heavy) would do wonders as well... lol.

[BAM]

What is your neck flexibility like? Can you turn your head from side to side? Is it seized up?

Pinched nerve?

Have you tried ibuprofin & muscle relaxers?

[O-Train]

Do you have an idea what the problem is? How soon after hurting yourself did you go see a chiropracter? Is your head protracted forward, does it hurt when you tuck your chin, are the muscles in your upper back/neck overly tight? Have you at least been putting ice on it?

[kloan]

What is your neck flexibility like? Can you turn your head from side to side? Is it seized up?

Pinched nerve?

Have you tried ibuprofin & muscle relaxers?

Can't move it very far in either direction before it starts to hurt, depending on how I'm sitting it seizes up when I move. I've been taking ibuprofen every day so I can at least move about without as much pain.. haven't tried muscle relaxers.


Do you have an idea what the problem is? How soon after hurting yourself did you go see a chiropracter? Is your head protracted forward, does it hurt when you tuck your chin, are the muscles in your upper back/neck overly tight? Have you at least been putting ice on it?
Last time this happened, another chiropractor told me it was a torn muscle. I worked my back/shoulders last Saturday, was hurting only a little bit Sunday and on Monday I saw the chiro for the first time. Tues I worked my arms, and I think doing the pulls downs for my tris might have made the injury worse somehow, because it was pretty heavy weight.. might have put stress on that area trying to keep a steady form.

I'm not sure if my head is protracted forward, it might be a little bit.. hurts when I tuck my chin, muscles do feel tight in neck/shoulders when I'm standing. It seems to hurt more sitting in a chair, or sitting up in my bed... when I'm standing, the pain isn't quite as bad, except when I bend forward, reaching, etc.

The pain's originating from the bone at the base of the neck (the one that sticks out slightly).. just to the left, behind it. The it spreads out from there into my left neck muscles, and into my shoulder (shoulder was ****ed from before).

[O-Train]

What is your neck flexibility like? Can you turn your head from side to side? Is it seized up?

Pinched nerve?

Have you tried ibuprofin & muscle relaxers?

With my issue (as far as I can tell/have been told it's a strained/sprained facet joint). What happens is the the cervical vertebrae are able to shift slightly so all of the muscles in the surrounding area seize up to stablize the joint. I found the last time it recently happened that taking methocarbamol (muscle relexant) actually delayed the healing process and made the pain worse. For me ice and ibuprofen worked the best during the first few days.

It's hard to give him advice when he doesn't have an idea of what the problem is.

Going to a chiropracter right after suffering an acute injury like this is NOT a good idea. If it's serious, obviously go to the hospital. Otherwise do what you can to reduce inflammation. Having someone work on your neck right after an injury is a very bad idea and could easily lead to further, more serious injury.

[O-Train]

Can't move it very far in either direction before it starts to hurt, depending on how I'm sitting it seizes up when I move. I've been taking ibuprofen every day so I can at least move about without as much pain.. haven't tried muscle relaxers.


Last time this happened, another chiropractor told me it was a torn muscle. I worked my back/shoulders last Saturday, was hurting only a little bit Sunday and on Monday I saw the chiro for the first time. Tues I worked my arms, and I think doing the pulls downs for my tris might have made the injury worse somehow, because it was pretty heavy weight.. might have put stress on that area trying to keep a steady form.

I'm not sure if my head is protracted forward, it might be a little bit.. hurts when I tuck my chin, muscles do feel tight in neck/shoulders when I'm standing. It seems to hurt more sitting in a chair, or sitting up in my bed... when I'm standing, the pain isn't quite as bad, except when I bend forward, reaching, etc.

The pain's originating from the bone at the base of the neck (the one that sticks out slightly).. just to the left, behind it. The it spreads out from there into my left neck muscles, and into my shoulder (shoulder was ****ed from before).

I can't really tell you much. Just try to be aware of what hurts and when/why it hurts so when a healthcare professional asks you can give them a better idea of what the problem is. A physiotherapist or a sports medicine doctor would be able to tell you what the problem is. I would assume a chiropracter could also so it's very possible that you have partially torn a muscle. From the description probably the upper portion of your trapezius but that's a guess.

I bet it hurts a lot when you're lying down and try to change positions...I hate neck injuries, they really suck.

[BAM]

I'm thinking pinched nerve.

Try muscle relaxers .

[monkey]

A friend of mine is a doctor ( almost a surgeon by now).

He clearly stated that Chiropractors are the most useless individuals in the health care profession. Whatever they do does not work and if it does it is a placebo effect.He had some good arguments and even stats relating to placebo effects etc.
He also stated that this is a created profession ( without a actual need ) and that he would never go to one.
This came straight from a doc..

( He also told me that cough sirups are bs and that ineffective medication is often given to clients to stimulate the placebo effect and shut them up

[grifter]

I have been recently nursing a sore rotator cuff (infra sponadis?) I have been seeing an ART certified sports physiotherapist. I have to say that this ART stuff hurts!! It's very effective at getting to the source of the pain, but hurts. He has also added in some accupuncture with some electrodes. But, until Im better I can do any upper body pressing movements, laterals, pulldowns/pullups.......very depressing!

[natenator]

A friend of mine is a doctor ( almost a surgeon by now).

He clearly stated that Chiropractors are the most useless individuals in the health care profession. Whatever they do does not work and if it does it is a placebo effect.He had some good arguments and even stats relating to placebo effects etc.
He also stated that this is a created profession ( without a actual need ) and that he would never go to one.
This came straight from a doc..

( He also told me that cough sirups are bs and that ineffective medication is often given to clients to stimulate the placebo effect and shut them up
and Doctors with their BMI spouting mouths are just as trustworthy as politicians...

[faller]

Yup, what nate said... The fact that he's a Doc has just given him less credability.

It is hard finding a good Chiro, i went through four of them before i finally found a good one... But shit kloan, if he didn't do anything for you the first time you should have walked and looked for another one right away.. As helpful as they can be, a shitty one could **** you up.

[AlladdinSane]

So much "Yes" and "No" in this thread...

Yes to what O-train said, "Ice and Anti-inflammatories (ibuprofen)"
Yes to what Nate said. Doctors (MDs) are quacks.
Yes to what faller said about having to go through four (4) chiro's before finding a good one.

No to you thinking ALL chiro's are evil. If a slick salesman sold you a car that turned out to be a lemon, would you never drive again? Just because the first couple chiro's that you've tried are "lemons" doesn't mean they are all trash.
No to you still lifting after posting a new injury every week. Take some time, man. Get better.