good fat burner???

[ab_chic25]

Ok so I am wanting to start taking a fat burner in the new year, but am lost at what ones really work or are not good for you.

Right now all I take is a daily woman's multi vit, and 200mg Chrome. I was taking 500mg of chrome daily and it helped me out with dropping 55lbs, but then again I also cut out alot of junk. I carry most of my fat around my waist and abs. Just looking for something to give me a bit of help with losing the last 50lbs.


Thanks

[JacktheThriller]

ECA pretty standard for fat burning take each item seperatly first to determine if u have a problem with the drugs ephederine caffeine aspirin

DOSAGES

up to 24mg of ephedrine
up to 400mg of caffeine
up to 325mg of aspirin

Depending on sensitivity

[Chaps]

Ok so I am wanting to start taking a fat burner in the new year, but am lost at what ones really work or are not good for you.

Right now all I take is a daily woman's multi vit, and 200mg Chrome. I was taking 500mg of chrome daily and it helped me out with dropping 55lbs, but then again I also cut out alot of junk. I carry most of my fat around my waist and abs. Just looking for something to give me a bit of help with losing the last 50lbs.


Thanks

Waist and abs would indicate cortisol issues, start taking vitamin c at 1 gram 4 times daily, first thing in the morning and pre/post-workout being the most important as these are times when the stress hormone cortisol is highest. Vitamin C has been shown to lower cortisol 30% it's cheap and effective so why not. Now for a burner something non stimulating would be best as stimulants increase cortisol, best non-stimulant burning i've ever used was USP Labs Recreate I believe pumphouse nutrition carry's it, greaaaaaat product and it squashes cortisol.

[ubcpower]

Try a combo stack of Caffeine (200mg) , Green Tea Extract, Hoodia and Yohimbe

[NACanada]

Ok so I am wanting to start taking a fat burner in the new year, but am lost at what ones really work or are not good for you.

Right now all I take is a daily woman's multi vit, and 200mg Chrome. I was taking 500mg of chrome daily and it helped me out with dropping 55lbs, but then again I also cut out alot of junk. I carry most of my fat around my waist and abs. Just looking for something to give me a bit of help with losing the last 50lbs.


Thanks

Hey ab_chic,

Ripped Freak by PharmaFreak hands down. Best burner I have ever used.

http://www.pumphousenutrition.ca/Fat-Loss/RIPPED-FREAK-60-Caps/30-Day.html

http://www.rippedfreak.com/

PH

[Ritch]

ECA pretty standard for fat burning take each item seperatly first to determine if u have a problem with the drugs ephederine caffeine aspirin

DOSAGES

up to 24mg of ephedrine
up to 400mg of caffeine
up to 325mg of aspirin

Depending on sensitivity

Depending on sensitivity is the key phrase here. It`s also common knowledge now not to use the aspirin. Up to 400 mg of caffeine? Sorry, but that`s just crazy talk... 200 is plenty and would start off with 100mg since she`s a woman and may not need as much. And nobody should start off with 24mg of ephedrine.

Not saying this is the best for her, but I`d give her 100mg of caffeine with 8mg of ephedrine twice a day and go from there. The ephedrine should be taken with food to avoid the nausea that many get.

I haven`t tried any over the counter fat burners in a long time so I can`t comment on any of them.

[Ritch]

Hey ab_chic,

Ripped Freak by PharmaFreak hands down. Best burner I have ever used.

http://www.pumphousenutrition.ca/Fat-Loss/RIPPED-FREAK-60-Caps/30-Day.html

http://www.rippedfreak.com/

PH

Well I`m really out of the otc loop now as the only ingredient I recognize in that formula in the 1,3 dimesomething... I have the caps by primaforce, not what as energizing as some claim.

[JacktheThriller]

Depending on sensitivity is the key phrase here. It`s also common knowledge now not to use the aspirin. Up to 400 mg of caffeine? Sorry, but that`s just crazy talk... 200 is plenty and would start off with 100mg since she`s a woman and may not need as much. And nobody should start off with 24mg of ephedrine.

Not saying this is the best for her, but I`d give her 100mg of caffeine with 8mg of ephedrine twice a day and go from there. The ephedrine should be taken with food to avoid the nausea that many get.

I haven`t tried any over the counter fat burners in a long time so I can`t comment on any of them.


yea ritch i was giving those as an upper limit not as a recommending starting point, i should be more specific with potent meds like that

[Ritch]

yea ritch i was giving those as an upper limit not as a recommending starting point, i should be more specific with potent meds like that

Sure thing! We don`t want people having strokes from advice received on this forum!

[JacktheThriller]

i know the aspirin in the stack has no showed greater fat burning in subjects with lower body fat. but it has shown to stimulate more thermogenesis in obese people, another 50 pds may not be obese but it is a lot of fat i would say experiment with this, but EC is known to work as well so there is no problem if u choose not to experiement with the aspirin. like ritch said start small and build ur dose based on your sensitivity to the drugs

[rickyboy36]

If the shaking from the ECA stack is too much for you,i would suggest you find something with yohimbine in it.Preferably 2.5-5mgs per cap.What this does is raises your temperature slighty and forces your body to "work" to bring it back down.

Or you can use you both and alternate days with them...

[JacktheThriller]

do u really shake when u take ECA ricky??

[rickyboy36]

do u really shake when u take ECA ricky??

Not any more bro cause im use to it now.I can take up to 50mgs of ephedrine and it does nothing for me.Same with the caffeine in high doses.But when i first started off it did.I didnt shake uncontrollably, but you could see it in my hands when id put them up in the air when trying to keep them stable.It was more or less and "anxious" feeling I got.

Now with Clen i had the shakes..but the results were excellent!

[Rhinobolt10]

Umm.... my 2 cents is that the ECA is just not maintainable enough for losing 50lbs...

For example, maybe it'll help for the first 10 or 20, but you can't take it forever and there's a bit of a rebound from it that might make it hard to keep going.

As for the rebound, I can't remember exxactly... so I aplogize for not having that info.

I see 2 options
1- just stick with green tea extract. It's great for sucking out some water weight, and is extremely healthy, antioxidants etc etc... you can take that indefinately. I'd say 1000mgs twice a day.

OR
2- If you really wanna give fat burners a go, cool. The only way I've had success with them working long term is to CYCLE them. IE 3 weeks ECA, 3 weeks ripped freak, 3 weeks something else entirely. all the while taking the green tea extract. Some of the products will have some of the same stuff... but switching them revs things up again.

I had this advice from a friend, and put it to use when I got a pile of free supps one time... like a garbage bag full of fat burners.

PS ripped freak is nuts.. just nuts.. I don't take a full dose or I feel really sick.

[ab_chic25]

Thanks for all the advice. I am going to try a couple of things on here and see what happens.

[Timbo89]

theres this good one, I cant remember the name i thought it was called Diet&Exercise? Anyway, its the only one that i liked.

[NACanada]

theres this good one, I cant remember the name i thought it was called Diet&Exercise? Anyway, its the only one that i liked.

I would hope ppl on here asking for a good burner are using it as an aid on top of exercise and diet...or at least that's what I assume.

[gsxr750]

Can practically guarantee results with this diet if you can commit to 45mins low intensity cardio ( brisk incline walk <120BPM ) every day. I can show you pictures of a girlfriend of mine who did this specifically and lost 35 pounds of blubber in 14 weeks. This was from Dave Palumbo. You could take a fat burner to help motivate you but your results will depend 90% + on your diet / exercise routine

Do one day with meal plan 1, and then 2 days on meal plan 2, and repeat.

Diet #1

Meal #1 - 12 egg whites
Meal #2 - 40g whey protein
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1-cup asparagus or green beans
Meal #4 - 6oz white fish (fluke, flounder, sole, ect.) With a green salad with vinegar & mustard (no olive or macadamia nut oil)
Meal #5 - 35g whey protein or 12 egg whites


Diet #2

Meal #1 - 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 egg whites
Meal #2 - 35g whey protein with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1/4-cup (1oz) cashew nuts, or almonds, or walnuts (vary it)
Meal #4 - 6oz salmon, swordfish, or red meat with a green salad (no tomatoes, red peppers, or carrots) with 1 tablespoon of olive oil or mac nut oil and vinegar
Meal #5 - 35g whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 white


Good luck, plenty of time to do this before summer.

[Ritch]

That diet looks solid GSX! Repped as I think I will hand it to women who ask me for diets.

[ubcpower]

Those protein/veggie days are rough....most girls dont have the will power and will chew through the locked cupboard to get to the peanut butter

[Ritch]

Those protein/veggie days are rough....most girls dont have the will power and will chew through the locked cupboard to get to the peanut butter

Well that`s all I`m gonna give em. Or they can get off their lazy asses and find some other diet... But yeah, of course it`s rough. I can just hear them now " I have to eat that everyday?, what if I have to go have drink with friends after work..."

[rickyboy36]

Can practically guarantee results with this diet if you can commit to 45mins low intensity cardio ( brisk incline walk <120BPM ) every day. I can show you pictures of a girlfriend of mine who did this specifically and lost 35 pounds of blubber in 14 weeks. This was from Dave Palumbo. You could take a fat burner to help motivate you but your results will depend 90% + on your diet / exercise routine

Do one day with meal plan 1, and then 2 days on meal plan 2, and repeat.

Diet #1

Meal #1 - 12 egg whites
Meal #2 - 40g whey protein
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1-cup asparagus or green beans
Meal #4 - 6oz white fish (fluke, flounder, sole, ect.) With a green salad with vinegar & mustard (no olive or macadamia nut oil)
Meal #5 - 35g whey protein or 12 egg whites


Diet #2

Meal #1 - 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 egg whites
Meal #2 - 35g whey protein with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1/4-cup (1oz) cashew nuts, or almonds, or walnuts (vary it)
Meal #4 - 6oz salmon, swordfish, or red meat with a green salad (no tomatoes, red peppers, or carrots) with 1 tablespoon of olive oil or mac nut oil and vinegar
Meal #5 - 35g whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 white


Good luck, plenty of time to do this before summer.

How much did your gf weigh at the time?This would be good for someone who weighs what??

[GYMBRAT]

Ok so I am wanting to start taking a fat burner in the new year, but am lost at what ones really work or are not good for you.

Right now all I take is a daily woman's multi vit, and 200mg Chrome. I was taking 500mg of chrome daily and it helped me out with dropping 55lbs, but then again I also cut out alot of junk. I carry most of my fat around my waist and abs. Just looking for something to give me a bit of help with losing the last 50lbs.


Thanks

sex,sex and more sex!

[melanie tan]

Fat burner, there are different way to burn fats. To lower body fats exercise is one of the natural way to burn it it only requires discipline and effort to do it.

[LD4HW]

How do you create that stack, UBC?

[ab_chic25]

Can practically guarantee results with this diet if you can commit to 45mins low intensity cardio ( brisk incline walk <120BPM ) every day. I can show you pictures of a girlfriend of mine who did this specifically and lost 35 pounds of blubber in 14 weeks. This was from Dave Palumbo. You could take a fat burner to help motivate you but your results will depend 90% + on your diet / exercise routine

Do one day with meal plan 1, and then 2 days on meal plan 2, and repeat.

Diet #1

Meal #1 - 12 egg whites
Meal #2 - 40g whey protein
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1-cup asparagus or green beans
Meal #4 - 6oz white fish (fluke, flounder, sole, ect.) With a green salad with vinegar & mustard (no olive or macadamia nut oil)
Meal #5 - 35g whey protein or 12 egg whites


Diet #2

Meal #1 - 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 egg whites
Meal #2 - 35g whey protein with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1/4-cup (1oz) cashew nuts, or almonds, or walnuts (vary it)
Meal #4 - 6oz salmon, swordfish, or red meat with a green salad (no tomatoes, red peppers, or carrots) with 1 tablespoon of olive oil or mac nut oil and vinegar
Meal #5 - 35g whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 white


Good luck, plenty of time to do this before summer.


hmmm thanks I am going to write this down, could one have some other type of veggie other then asparagus or green beans??? As they are not my favorite ones out there. PLus asparagus is $$$ around my area.

[rickyboy36]

hmmm thanks I am going to write this down, could one have some other type of veggie other then asparagus or green beans??? As they are not my favorite ones out there. PLus asparagus is $$$ around my area.

Broccoli...Greens are fat burners!

[Praetorian]

hmmm thanks I am going to write this down, could one have some other type of veggie other then asparagus or green beans??? As they are not my favorite ones out there. PLus asparagus is $$$ around my area.

Yes you can use other veggies, green beans, cucumber, spinach, romaine etc.
P

[Praetorian]

Broccoli...Greens are fat burners!

Technically broccoli and greens are not fat burners....they just provide a calories deficit...in other words they require more calories to digest then they provide.
P

[countrychic]

Those protein/veggie days are rough....most girls dont have the will power and will chew through the locked cupboard to get to the peanut butter

I didn't find the keto diet that bad.this is what I used for contest.... I will say I LOVED my peanut butter on the days I could have it. Mindset is key. It's a great diet BUT doing a diet like this for the 15 week period then figuring out how to maintain is the only way it will work.

[IronMan]

Technically broccoli and greens are not fat burners....they just provide a calories deficit...in other words they require more calories to digest then they provide.
P

But doesn't Broccoli which is part of the cruciferous vegetalbe family contain indole-3-carbinol (I3C) which lowers bad estrogens like 16 Alpha Hydroxyestrone which is the "bad" estrogen, which causes cancer and increases adipocytes fat cells? So wouldn't eating a ton of Broccoli help in the war against fat? Or would you just take the supplement version of I3C? Or eat Broccoli and take I3C? lol sorry for the weird question.

[fitnurss]

Those protein/veggie days are rough....most girls dont have the will power and will chew through the locked cupboard to get to the peanut butter

LMFAO - mental picture.

[gmoney]

Can practically guarantee results with this diet if you can commit to 45mins low intensity cardio ( brisk incline walk <120BPM ) every day. I can show you pictures of a girlfriend of mine who did this specifically and lost 35 pounds of blubber in 14 weeks. This was from Dave Palumbo. You could take a fat burner to help motivate you but your results will depend 90% + on your diet / exercise routine

Do one day with meal plan 1, and then 2 days on meal plan 2, and repeat.

Diet #1

Meal #1 - 12 egg whites
Meal #2 - 40g whey protein
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1-cup asparagus or green beans
Meal #4 - 6oz white fish (fluke, flounder, sole, ect.) With a green salad with vinegar & mustard (no olive or macadamia nut oil)
Meal #5 - 35g whey protein or 12 egg whites


Diet #2

Meal #1 - 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 egg whites
Meal #2 - 35g whey protein with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1/4-cup (1oz) cashew nuts, or almonds, or walnuts (vary it)
Meal #4 - 6oz salmon, swordfish, or red meat with a green salad (no tomatoes, red peppers, or carrots) with 1 tablespoon of olive oil or mac nut oil and vinegar
Meal #5 - 35g whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 white


Good luck, plenty of time to do this before summer.

noice. i'll definately pass this on to a few people as well.

[ab_chic25]

Yes you can use other veggies, green beans, cucumber, spinach, romaine etc.
P

cool I think this shoudl be fine then for me, as I dont really eat anything different daliy...........plus I happen to like everything on there lol

[Thechamp]

I've tried alot of fat burners out there to cut weight for my fights and the only thing that work for me was the EC Stack and a good clean diet.

[Direwolf]

According to Poliquin's biosignature protocol, fat around the abdomen and waist indicates issues with insulin resistance and cortisol. What may be happening is your carb intake is too high for you and your body might be getting "stressed" which increases cortisol. – Just my opinion –

Cutting carbs to 20g/day might solve everything for you. I would check into that first and for the last 10-15lbs I would go with an ECA stack.

[fitnurss]

According to Poliquin's biosignature protocol, fat around the abdomen and waist indicates issues with insulin resistance and cortisol. What may be happening is your carb intake is too high for you and your body might be getting "stressed" which increases cortisol. – Just my opinion –

Cutting carbs to 20g/day might solve everything for you. I would check into that first and for the last 10-15lbs I would go with an ECA stack.

I was thinking that too...what are your measurements girl?

[fitnurss]

cool I think this shoudl be fine then for me, as I dont really eat anything different daliy...........plus I happen to like everything on there lol

Just based on your fat distribution, I think you would be very impressed with the results from a keto type diet.

[troy_trinity]

According to Poliquin's biosignature protocol, fat around the abdomen and waist indicates issues with insulin resistance and cortisol. What may be happening is your carb intake is too high for you and your body might be getting "stressed" which increases cortisol. – Just my opinion –

Cutting carbs to 20g/day might solve everything for you. I would check into that first and for the last 10-15lbs I would go with an ECA stack.

fat around the abdomen and waist is also a side effect of low gh levels.

I would say get full blood work- if everything is in check then look into Phosphatidylcholine- this way you can be very site specific.

other option is injectable helios which is site specific due to yohimbine hcl. This combined with 2iu's gh before morning cardio will loosen fat cells so you burn fat easier.

just some site specific options open to females without getting into the heavier fat burners.

another good option is albuterol if you don't care about being site specific.

nolva also has great effects on women if you know how to use it properly

[fitnurss]

fat around the abdomen and waist is also a side effect of low gh levels.

I would say get full blood work- if everything is in check then look into Phosphatidylcholine- this way you can be very site specific.

other option is injectable helios which is site specific due to yohimbine hcl. This combined with 2iu's gh before morning cardio will loosen fat cells so you burn fat easier.

just some site specific options open to females without getting into the heavier fat burners.

another good option is albuterol if you don't care about being site specific.

nolva also has great effects on women if you know how to use it properly

Easy tiger, OP is newbie

[countrychic]

Easy tiger, OP is newbie

Thank-you :)

[troy_trinity]

well OP might as well use an effective fat burner...

what's the point of telling OP to go buy some otc crap...

- Phosphatidylcholine injections are done at a medical practice and are completely safe and legal. Great for body shaping.

- helios is just yohimbine and clen... just a stimulant and yohimbine which is a site specific fat burner. Yohimbine is found in many otc crap but it works a hell of a lot better injected and is site specific.

- albuterol is a toned down version of clen and is very very easy on the sides.

- and gh is gh - you can't exactly go wrong with it...

OP- you should look into some of the things I've mentioned if you are serious. First start with a blood panel including igf levels- half the time peoples shit is out of whack and they don't know.

I'm just saying good fat burners since that is what the OP asked for lol. I didn't throw DNP or t3 or some of the "harsher" other weird chem crap out there.

Fitty cent- keto don't fix everything ya ol' fart :)

[fitnurss]

I have to disagree - OP, you have over 50 lbs to lose. Just follow the advice outlined so far and you will make progress I promise. Sure you could pump yourself with illegal compounds, but truth is, when you stop taking it, all the gains you made with them will be lost. Slow and steady wins the race Babygirl, that's what we want.

Sorry Trinity - now get to bed young man, it's a school night.

[troy_trinity]

I have to disagree - OP, you have over 50 lbs to lose. Just follow the advice outlined so far and you will make progress I promise. Sure you could pump yourself with illegal compounds, but truth is, when you stop taking it, all the gains you made with them will be lost. Slow and steady wins the race Babygirl, that's what we want.

Sorry Trinity - now get to bed young man, it's a school night.

what if I don't- you gonna spank me?

ah ol' blue hair calm down :p

the gains made with enhancement will be lost once you stop using the substance? um no.... that's like saying when you come off steroids you won't keep shit all of what you gained.... If you have your ducks in order you keep the results.

I didn't realize the OP still had 50lbs to go though- I'd reccomend a trainer who knows their stuff and can give a good detailed specific diet and training program tailored to you.

once again I answered the OP's question about fat burners. Nothing more- nothing less.

[Ritch]

That sure is an advanced fat burning stack there TT. And crazy advice to give out to a beginner. GH? You`re nuts dude, you think a beginner is going to start giving themselves injections of various compounds when they`re still trying to get the ball rolling? I`m not saying it`s innefective, just not the right advice for the right person here...

And what do you mean hire a trainer to give her a diet? It`s already been done here, and a good one as well.

So no, you did not anwer the op`s question, you just blurted out some compounds that work. If I were her, I`d do the diet outlined and take it from there. Add in ripped freak when the time is right or some low dose ephedrine and caffeine.

[fitnurss]

what if I don't- you gonna spank me?

ah ol' blue hair calm down :p

the gains made with enhancement will be lost once you stop using the substance? um no.... that's like saying when you come off steroids you won't keep shit all of what you gained.... If you have your ducks in order you keep the results.
.

She needs to learn to make changes in her overall lifestyle Trinity, she didn't become 55lbs overweight because she wasn't taking fat burners. We need to address her underlying lifestyle issues to make sustainable changes. Ya her question is about fat burners but I think we need to read between the lines with this one.

[ab_chic25]

OK hmmm most everyone that has replied has given me good feedback, but one thing I should have said right out is I dont want to take roids. Of any kind........I know somethings you can buy in stores are kinda same as them but I dont want to be pushing a needle in my butt..

The measurements I have are a couple months old, I have to get them done again.

here they are:
Arms:13"
chest:41"
waist:34"
Abd_Abs: 41"
hips:45 1/4"
thighs: 25 1/2"
calf: 17 3/4"

I know they have changed because I am almost ten pounds light from then and can fit in to some jeans that didnt then. Will see if I can get them done again when I get to the gym..........going to doctors in AM, hoping I get a all clear, also will ask about getting a blood panel done, maybe something is up there. I mean I used to wear a size 20-22 pants and can now fit in a 13-14. So I know what needs to be done but find the last 50lbs is hardest to lose.. I dont want to lose more then 50 cause I would look like a starving marvin lol

[Tystix]

Can practically guarantee results with this diet if you can commit to 45mins low intensity cardio ( brisk incline walk <120BPM ) every day. I can show you pictures of a girlfriend of mine who did this specifically and lost 35 pounds of blubber in 14 weeks. This was from Dave Palumbo. You could take a fat burner to help motivate you but your results will depend 90% + on your diet / exercise routine

Do one day with meal plan 1, and then 2 days on meal plan 2, and repeat.

Diet #1

Meal #1 - 12 egg whites
Meal #2 - 40g whey protein
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1-cup asparagus or green beans
Meal #4 - 6oz white fish (fluke, flounder, sole, ect.) With a green salad with vinegar & mustard (no olive or macadamia nut oil)
Meal #5 - 35g whey protein or 12 egg whites


Diet #2

Meal #1 - 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 egg whites
Meal #2 - 35g whey protein with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter
Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1/4-cup (1oz) cashew nuts, or almonds, or walnuts (vary it)
Meal #4 - 6oz salmon, swordfish, or red meat with a green salad (no tomatoes, red peppers, or carrots) with 1 tablespoon of olive oil or mac nut oil and vinegar
Meal #5 - 35g whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 white


Good luck, plenty of time to do this before summer.


Is this the right diet for both men and women?

[gsxr750]

Mens is different, that is for women.

[countrychic]

abchic, you have been given great advice. As discussed in another thread introducing morning cardio, switching up your diet, and giving your metabolism a boost will help you get rid of that 50lbs, buckle down girl and away you go :)

[faller]

She needs to learn to make changes in her overall lifestyle Trinity, she didn't become 55lbs overweight because she wasn't taking fat burners. We need to address her underlying lifestyle issues to make sustainable changes. Ya her question is about fat burners but I think we need to read between the lines with this one.

Exactly!! Way too many people out there think every solution comes in either a pill bottle or syringe.. What ever happened to eating accordingly and being persistant and dedicated??.... Oh thats right, thats just for us "blue hair's"..*Sheesh*

[troy_trinity]

That sure is an advanced fat burning stack there TT. And crazy advice to give out to a beginner. GH? You`re nuts dude, you think a beginner is going to start giving themselves injections of various compounds when they`re still trying to get the ball rolling? I`m not saying it`s innefective, just not the right advice for the right person here...

And what do you mean hire a trainer to give her a diet? It`s already been done here, and a good one as well.

So no, you did not anwer the op`s question, you just blurted out some compounds that work. If I were her, I`d do the diet outlined and take it from there. Add in ripped freak when the time is right or some low dose ephedrine and caffeine.

at no point did i mention it as a stack? i mentioned different compounds available.

GH is nuts? lol come on bro are you kidding me? gh is probably the safest shit you can run.

Now whether the advice given is correct for the person is not my choice- I did not read anything past the fact that a woman was looking for a fat burner. I am not exactly a retard who just read some profiles and suggested some compounds I saw. I suggested each thing for a reason and the stuff I mentioned is FAR from harsh.

Why a trainer? People on the internet don't have a ****ing clue what the OP looks like- past- how their body deals with macronutrients etc. She needs someone who is able to oversee everything and adjust it accordingly.

And hate to tell ya but ephedrine is worse than clen :)

I'm not picking a fight with you here- but come on you're making it sound like I told her to grab some DNP.

I do agree the op needs a diet and training but once again I was answering the OPs initial question.

[troy_trinity]

Exactly!! Way too many people out there think every solution comes in either a pill bottle or syringe.. What ever happened to eating accordingly and being persistant and dedicated??.... Oh thats right, thats just for us "blue hair's"..*Sheesh*

all drugs do are speed up the results from HARD EFFORT. At no point did I say it was a replacement to being lazy.

**Diet and training are key**
and the blue hair comment was only directed towards one person- it's an inside joke.

[troy_trinity]

OK hmmm most everyone that has replied has given me good feedback, but one thing I should have said right out is I dont want to take roids. Of any kind........I know somethings you can buy in stores are kinda same as them but I dont want to be pushing a needle in my butt..

The measurements I have are a couple months old, I have to get them done again.

here they are:
Arms:13"
chest:41"
waist:34"
Abd_Abs: 41"
hips:45 1/4"
thighs: 25 1/2"
calf: 17 3/4"

I know they have changed because I am almost ten pounds light from then and can fit in to some jeans that didnt then. Will see if I can get them done again when I get to the gym..........going to doctors in AM, hoping I get a all clear, also will ask about getting a blood panel done, maybe something is up there. I mean I used to wear a size 20-22 pants and can now fit in a 13-14. So I know what needs to be done but find the last 50lbs is hardest to lose.. I dont want to lose more then 50 cause I would look like a starving marvin lol

if you are reffering to my post nothing I mentioned is a steroid.

[troy_trinity]

She needs to learn to make changes in her overall lifestyle Trinity, she didn't become 55lbs overweight because she wasn't taking fat burners. We need to address her underlying lifestyle issues to make sustainable changes. Ya her question is about fat burners but I think we need to read between the lines with this one.

reading between the lines is easy- it amazes me that you of all people are questioning my knowledge of compounds.

Anyways:

1- OP go get bloodwork- it's IMPORTANT- who knows whhat underlying issues there are.

2- OP needs to boost metab by increasing cals for a few days. increase cals by 50% for 3 days and take 3 day off from the gym. won't get fat during this time.

3- it's not always the calories it's the foods you eat. You have to eat for your body that is why I think a personal trainer is a must. We cannot oversee the OP the way a personal trainer can.

[faller]

You sound like you know your stuff troy..... But in this case, as was pointed by fitnurss, OP is a nebie so the KISS principle should apply here.. We should learn to crawl first before going in an all out sprint. 90% of the posters on this board are looking for that quick fix in the bottle, i don't know you, so i assumed too much i guess...

As to the inside joke, there's so much bashing on this board lately i guess i assumed too much again:o

I'm going to finish my cottage cheese and tuna now and shutup before i put my other foot in my mouth.

[fitnurss]

and the blue hair comment was only directed towards one person- it's an inside joke.

you calling me fat again?

[rickyboy36]

abchic, you have been given great advice. As discussed in another thread introducing morning cardio, switching up your diet, and giving your metabolism a boost will help you get rid of that 50lbs, buckle down girl and away you go :)

Exactly.In a nut shell this is what has been suggested:

1-Change up your diet.This can be several things.Add in a lot of good fats like olive oil and fish oil instead.This will help you burn more fat!!Beware of the calories though.Id make a switch and take out some carbs.Add in greens as well which will also make you lose fat.Or try the keto diet like mentioned above.You cant go wrong with that!

2-Cardio.Try different approaches.Most of your cardio should be low intensity cardio but you can always try HIIT.HIIT is interval training where you run for 1 min very quickly,and then 1min slowly to cool down.You can do this for 15-20mins.Vary between both methods so your body doesnt adapt.You can also try cardio in the morning,although id be weary of that if you are not on a keto diet.Some have great success..others swear they lose muscle by doing that.I guess it all depends on your metabolism..

3-Fat burners.Try the ECA stack like mentioned.Start off low dose and work yourself up.Id go with 8mgs of ephedrine alone to start off and then slowly add in some caffeine and up your doses.I would use this later on in your diet when things start to slow down or if you start getting hungry.The ECA stack also suppresses apetite quite alot

Many women also use Yohimbine(caps) with great results.Many have claimed that Yohimbine actually disolves fat in the thighs,butt and legs(horse saddle).Something to do with lowering local hormones in that area.Not sure if this is true but regardless if it is or not you will still burn fat off your body.Again,I would only use it later on when things slow down.Id actually use it in conjuction with the ECA stack where you have a one day on,one day off and alternate.If you are looking for something with yohimbine,im sure one of the sponsors have some.

There is also T3 and Clen but im not sure you are ready to go that route.Clen is not a steroid or an injection and is used for asthma purposes.This would help you maintain muscle alot while losing a lot a good amount of fat.

And t3 is a thyroid medication which can be used safely as well as long as you know what you are doing.Maybe you could research more before trying these out.

Overall,if you have a good attitude,work hard,eat well and sleep enough you will definatley achieve your goals!

Goodluck abchick!!

[Chaps]

Exactly.In a nut shell this is what has been suggested:

1-Change up your diet.This can be several things.Add in a lot of good fats like olive oil and fish oil instead.This will help you burn more fat!!Beware of the calories though.Id make a switch and take out some carbs.Add in greens as well which will also make you lose fat.Or try the keto diet like mentioned above.You cant go wrong with that!

2-Cardio.Try different approaches.Most of your cardio should be low intensity cardio but you can always try HIIT.HIIT is interval training where you run for 1 min very quickly,and then 1min slowly to cool down.You can do this for 15-20mins.Vary between both methods so your body doesnt adapt.You can also try cardio in the morning,although id be weary of that if you are not on a keto diet.Some have great success..others swear they lose muscle by doing that.I guess it all depends on your metabolism..

3-Fat burners.Try the ECA stack like mentioned.Start off low dose and work yourself up.Id go with 8mgs of ephedrine alone to start off and then slowly add in some caffeine and up your doses.I would use this later on in your diet when things start to slow down or if you start getting hungry.The ECA stack also suppresses apetite quite alot

Many women also use Yohimbine(caps) with great results.Many have claimed that Yohimbine actually disolves fat in the thighs,butt and legs(horse saddle).Something to do with lowering local hormones in that area.Not sure if this is true but regardless if it is or not you will still burn fat off your body.Again,I would only use it later on when things slow down.Id actually use it in conjuction with the ECA stack where you have a one day on,one day off and alternate.If you are looking for something with yohimbine,im sure one of the sponsors have some.

There is also T3 and Clen but im not sure you are ready to go that route.Clen is not a steroid or an injection and is used for asthma purposes.This would help you maintain muscle alot while losing a lot a good amount of fat.

And t3 is a thyroid medication which can be used safely as well as long as you know what you are doing.Maybe you could research more before trying these out.

Overall,if you have a good attitude,work hard,eat well and sleep enough you will definatley achieve your goals!

Goodluck abchick!!

Couldn't agree more with the HIT cardio but i'd reduce it to 20-30 second bursts at a higher intensity, this is what Charles Poliquin suggests and your heartrate will go higher in 20 seconds then if you did 1 min of a lower rate, stepper are killer for this type of cardio.

[ab_chic25]

[QUOTE=troy_trinity;332631]



2- OP needs to boost metab by increasing cals for a few days. increase cals by 50% for 3 days and take 3 day off from the gym. won't get fat during this time.

I have been off the gym for 2+ weeks due to a work place injury to my right hand, couldnt bend most of the fingers. Doc also said not to do anything with it really, could only lift 4lbs.........Docs orders, and with being right handed, I listened. But got a all clear today, so back at it Sunday.



I do know that it has to do with the types of foods I am eatting, but slowly changing it. Trying to eat mostly what has been said on here. Hard but I will get it.

One thing everyone must know, is that I don't have "issues" that have caused me to be over-weight, other then over eatting. I like to think I have changed that because I am holding steady at my current weight, even without going to the gym this past few weeks. Also it does have something to do with your family, if they are mostly overweight, then you'll have a harder time at staying skinny. My WHOLE family, even grandparents, etc. are overweight...So yea it is hard to keep on a clean diet..... But I am trying..................Am going to check out some things and see what is going to work with my $$$ right now.....thanks for the help

[troy_trinity]

[QUOTE=troy_trinity;332631]

I have been off the gym for 2+ weeks due to a work place injury to my right hand, couldnt bend most of the fingers. Doc also said not to do anything with it really, could only lift 4lbs.........Docs orders, and with being right handed, I listened. But got a all clear today, so back at it Sunday.



I do know that it has to do with the types of foods I am eatting, but slowly changing it. Trying to eat mostly what has been said on here. Hard but I will get it.

One thing everyone must know, is that I don't have "issues" that have caused me to be over-weight, other then over eatting. I like to think I have changed that because I am holding steady at my current weight, even without going to the gym this past few weeks. Also it does have something to do with your family, if they are mostly overweight, then you'll have a harder time at staying skinny. My WHOLE family, even grandparents, etc. are overweight...So yea it is hard to keep on a clean diet..... But I am trying..................Am going to check out some things and see what is going to work with my $$$ right now.....thanks for the help

did you keep up with the cardio while you were off from the gym?

And it's not just the right kinds of foods. It's the right types of food's FOR YOU. That is why I am trying to push a personal trainer on you.

Look I'm just going to go out and say it- no one in this has a ****ing clue what you should be using for a diet- they may say they do but they do not. (you can all bitch me out afterward if need be- but please read whole thing before doing so.)

See the thing is I can go and post up a pile of different diet approaches that SHOULD all work. But here's the thing- some of them won't work, some will, and some will work a shitload better than others. In theory they should all work but the body is not a machine- you do not press buttons a+b and get the outcome of c. The body is very unique. You can press buttons a+b all you want but your body may just tell you to go **** yourself because it doesn't want to perform outcome "c" because it really wan'ts you to be pushing buttons q+g to equal outcome c.

So we can all tell you to press buttons a+b or h+i or whatever- and in theory it should work but in reality it doesn't.

You need someone to assess your past- and play with your body to get to know which buttons to press to perform which outcomes. It is going to take some trial and error but they will be able to figure out which buttons to push a hell of a lot faster than any of us due to years of experience and closely watching how your body assembles the macro-nutrients.

I can sit here and throw together a keto diet approach with low repitition training sessions and liss cardio; or I can make a TKD diet for you with HIIT training and cardio. It is not hard to do- it is a lot harder to find out which one is going to work better for you.

Every single food is going to effect you differently- and with exception of a glucose monitor and a shitload of testing strips you are not going to know how each food spikes your insulin- and that is just the beginning of the whole dieting world.

And if your training doesn't match your diet than say goodbye to any fat loss; you'll spike cortisol; burn muscle; gain fat. You can't be busting your ass in the gym doing HIIT training when on keto- this is just an example.

I hope that makes sense. And a good online trainer costs like 100 bucks a month. Shit you can get DAVE PALUMBO to oversee your online training for 1,000 bucks a year and he trains some great people. There's even some bro's on here such as Prae who know their shit very well and can train you.

a grand a year is pennies compared to the RESULTS.

I'm going to get flamed to shit probably for saying this to you but it's what I feel you should be hearing so that's why I'm telling you.

P.S.- I'm not a personal trainer so I'm not pushing myself.

-----

Now why everyone seems to be dismissing my notion of full bloodwork is beyong me? It's FREE for all of us up here in Canada and can tell you a shitload about yourself.

You and a trainer can sit and try 9847987987 different training and diet approaches but if your body is not in the "prime state" then you are just spinning your wheels and going nowhere fast.

ie. if your thyroid isn't working properly you are not going to lose fat.

Hope this all makes sense.

[troy_trinity]

You sound like you know your stuff troy..... But in this case, as was pointed by fitnurss, OP is a nebie so the KISS principle should apply here.. We should learn to crawl first before going in an all out sprint. 90% of the posters on this board are looking for that quick fix in the bottle, i don't know you, so i assumed too much i guess...

As to the inside joke, there's so much bashing on this board lately i guess i assumed too much again:o

I'm going to finish my cottage cheese and tuna now and shutup before i put my other foot in my mouth.

no worries bro- all is good- I just try to answer peoples intial questions instead of pushing on them what I feel they should be doing because the majority of people do not respond well to hearing what they do not want to hear.

And yes the quick fix in a bottle is appealing but as most find out there is no such thing.

and cottage cheese? Too much sodium for me :)

[troy_trinity]

whoops double post

[Praetorian]

[QUOTE=ab_chic25;333130]

did you keep up with the cardio while you were off from the gym?

And it's not just the right kinds of foods. It's the right types of food's FOR YOU. That is why I am trying to push a personal trainer on you.

Look I'm just going to go out and say it- no one in this has a ****ing clue what you should be using for a diet- they may say they do but they do not. (you can all bitch me out afterward if need be- but please read whole thing before doing so.)

See the thing is I can go and post up a pile of different diet approaches that SHOULD all work. But here's the thing- some of them won't work, some will, and some will work a shitload better than others. In theory they should all work but the body is not a machine- you do not press buttons a+b and get the outcome of c. The body is very unique. You can press buttons a+b all you want but your body may just tell you to go **** yourself because it doesn't want to perform outcome "c" because it really wan'ts you to be pushing buttons q+g to equal outcome c.

So we can all tell you to press buttons a+b or h+i or whatever- and in theory it should work but in reality it doesn't.

You need someone to assess your past- and play with your body to get to know which buttons to press to perform which outcomes. It is going to take some trial and error but they will be able to figure out which buttons to push a hell of a lot faster than any of us due to years of experience and closely watching how your body assembles the macro-nutrients.

I can sit here and throw together a keto diet approach with low repitition training sessions and liss cardio; or I can make a TKD diet for you with HIIT training and cardio. It is not hard to do- it is a lot harder to find out which one is going to work better for you.

Every single food is going to effect you differently- and with exception of a glucose monitor and a shitload of testing strips you are not going to know how each food spikes your insulin- and that is just the beginning of the whole dieting world.

And if your training doesn't match your diet than say goodbye to any fat loss; you'll spike cortisol; burn muscle; gain fat. You can't be busting your ass in the gym doing HIIT training when on keto- this is just an example.

I hope that makes sense. And a good online trainer costs like 100 bucks a month. Shit you can get DAVE PALUMBO to oversee your online training for 1,000 bucks a year and he trains some great people. There's even some bro's on here such as Prae who know their shit very well and can train you.

a grand a year is pennies compared to the RESULTS.

I'm going to get flamed to shit probably for saying this to you but it's what I feel you should be hearing so that's why I'm telling you.

P.S.- I'm not a personal trainer so I'm not pushing myself.

-----

Now why everyone seems to be dismissing my notion of full bloodwork is beyong me? It's FREE for all of us up here in Canada and can tell you a shitload about yourself.

You and a trainer can sit and try 9847987987 different training and diet approaches but if your body is not in the "prime state" then you are just spinning your wheels and going nowhere fast.

ie. if your thyroid isn't working properly you are not going to lose fat.

Hope this all makes sense.

Please heed this advice...reality sometimes hurts but you dont learn otherwise.
As for the blood work...why has it taken so long to find someone who actually thinks its mandatory if cycling such as I...nice post.
P

[TWEST]

Hey ab_chic,

Ripped Freak by PharmaFreak hands down. Best burner I have ever used.

http://www.pumphousenutrition.ca/Fat-Loss/RIPPED-FREAK-60-Caps/30-Day.html

http://www.rippedfreak.com/

PH


+1

Ripped freak is the best one i've tryed.

[07Zixsix]

I'm considering a fat burner... My only conscern is that I will be on a Keto diet... Some have said to not bother using the Fat burners until the last 6 weeks of the diet... Any suggestions on what I can do?

Thanks,
Jason

[darkrage_user]

Ok so I am wanting to start taking a fat burner in the new year, but am lost at what ones really work or are not good for you.

Right now all I take is a daily woman's multi vit, and 200mg Chrome. I was taking 500mg of chrome daily and it helped me out with dropping 55lbs, but then again I also cut out alot of junk. I carry most of my fat around my waist and abs. Just looking for something to give me a bit of help with losing the last 50lbs.


Thanks


You can try tapout takedown fat burner extreme

[physique]

You can try tapout takedown fat burner extreme

bwahahaha. ya i bet thats a winner. just another company trying to boost there bottom line using there world wide know name (tapout)

you can get there products are shit though.

[519Muscle]

Ok so I am wanting to start taking a fat burner in the new year, but am lost at what ones really work or are not good for you.

Right now all I take is a daily woman's multi vit, and 200mg Chrome. I was taking 500mg of chrome daily and it helped me out with dropping 55lbs, but then again I also cut out alot of junk. I carry most of my fat around my waist and abs. Just looking for something to give me a bit of help with losing the last 50lbs.


Thanks

You can try
ephedrine (or)
caffeine (and)
l carnitine (with)
CLA

Dont forget these r just their to help u ur diet depends on if they will work or not...check out truesupplements.com for good deals on those products.

[btufts]

[QUOTE=519Muscle;343010]You can try
[COLOR=Red]ephedrine (or)
caffeine (and)
l carnitine (with)
CLA



Ephedrine caffeine CLA= greatness.

I added CLA with these two about two weeks ago and it has made all the difference I love it

[519Muscle]

^^^Ya cla(Conjugated linoleic acid) works great to reduce bodyfat, while still maintaining muscle.

[Retics]

I have a hard time with this ECA stack,, a single 8 mg ephedrin , 325 asprin an 200 mg gives me anxiety so bad I have to sit in my room for hours.
Low dose of lipo 6 helped me for awhile but started to make me feel ill.

[White-Tiger]

ECA is known for anxiety and a wired feeling. Some people like it (me) others don't...

Clen is usually much milder in terms of side effects, have you tried that?

[flex3d]

EC (I never took Aspirin with it) is garbage to me. The only thing I noticed when I tried it was appetite suppression. (Ephedrine works the first, maybe 2nd time I take it and its probably placebo)

I am damn near impossible to get energy by stimulant means (caffeine does nothing, ephedrine etc.,) I have even tried Stimulant X which did nothing once again.

[fitnurss]

I always really liked "Thermolean" they're in a clear bottle and the pills are red...not sure who makes it but it's a Canadian product I'm pretty sure.

I've never had any significant results from ECA stacks myself, but just a word of advice, unless you have high blood pressure, the aspirin should be a baby aspirin (81 mg) not a regular Aspirin. I've seen many cardiac patients who've mistakenly been taking full dose aspirin and they've got holes in their stomach linings now as a result. Not pretty...they're ****ed for life now.

[Retics]

Haven't tried Clen yet,, was looking into it but was afraid of dishing out good coin for another crappy jittery pill.

[pseclint]

albuterol or a blend of fat burners using albuterol.... one of the better fat burners out there

[L3]

just plain ephedrine worked fine for me

[tiramisu]

ECA makes me impotent. Now that I'm married I suppose that's not such a big deal but as things go I'll pass.

[murph]

Eca stack worked awsome for me while I was using it this summer. I was working a demanding summer job that included lots of repetitive lifting for hours in the heat of an old feed shed. I found it gave me a ton of energy although the apetite suppressant part sucked.

[Aaron_37]

http://truesupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=81
http://truesupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=97
http://truesupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=53
http://truesupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=12

Any or all of the above. I'm currently using Acetyl L-Carnitine with Caffeine and I drink Green Tea. It's working really well.

[Gilmour]

Crack cocaine has worked for millions.

[rated_rko]

gilmour is right ive seen some beast chicks get hooked on the shit and they lost over a 100 lbs in one summer

[ab_chic25]

Crack cocaine has worked for millions.


interesting but see thats my past and it never worked in fact it was at that point in my life that I got to be 270lbs........So i think i will stay in the now and not do that again. As for the blood work, with my tests they have tested for EVERYTHING, and i am healthy as a horse, so to speak lol. Just picked up some CLA. Will try these for two weeks and see what happens. Been fixing my diet as well so thanks for all the good advice on here.

[MikeyFXD35]

CLA has worked for me in the past but like all fat burners they have a limited useful life before you need to switch it up as your body adapted. Watch your weight closely and when you see nothing changing switch to another compound.

[ab_chic25]

CLA has worked for me in the past but like all fat burners they have a limited useful life before you need to switch it up as your body adapted. Watch your weight closely and when you see nothing changing switch to another compound.

yeah I thought I would try this for a couple weeks then go off and maybe try a EC stack then go back....will see what happens

[Retics]

yeah I thought I would try this for a couple weeks then go off and maybe try a EC stack then go back....will see what happens

Hey Ab Chick,, how's the EC stack working out for you we picked up?