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About 20 years ago my doctor gave me a shot for a problem with my bicep.If anybody in Calgary remembers old EK in Westbrook,maybe they have a clue.I've been trying to figure just what it was,because I don't believe it was what the label said,Deca Durabolin.It came in one of those mini aliquots( 2 ml)but it didn't have the plastic cap on it....I think maybe it was a mix...I was immediately stronger the next day,libido was very high for a couple of days and then went to nil.Strength gains were good,I was adding 10 kg to major lifts every 48 hrs,zero muscle soreness.Lasted strong for a week,tapered off in 10 days.Any guesses?
MMASTAR
10-12-2009, 10:13 PM
cortizone (spelling??) is often giving in a shot for musle/tendon problems... it numbs the pain but that doesn't explain the strengh gains or the libido..guess i was no help...sorry
vakker
10-12-2009, 10:24 PM
About 20 years ago my doctor gave me a shot for a problem with my bicep.If anybody in Calgary remembers old EK in Westbrook,maybe they have a clue.I've been trying to figure just what it was,because I don't believe it was what the label said,Deca Durabolin.It came in one of those mini aliquots(250 mg?)but it didn't have the plastic cap on it....I think maybe it was a mix...I was immediately stronger the next day,libido was very high for a couple of days and then went to nil.Strength gains were good,I was adding 10 kg to major lifts every 48 hrs,zero muscle soreness.Lasted strong for a week,tapered off in 10 days.Any guesses?
placebo?
No,not a placebo,bicep got much better,eating every hour and a half at night,nasty temperment.
A one or two ml vial.Likely two.
nitrous
11-12-2009, 12:23 AM
there are tons of HG stuff that come in 1 ml vials so that doesnt really narrow it down..
i did hear NPP use to be used a long time ago and has been coming around more recently.. perhaps it was NPP.. or maybe it was deca with a bit of a short ester test that you were fealing.. if it kicked in that quickly it wasnt deca..
C-money
11-12-2009, 01:03 AM
im thinking cortizone, and it was a placebo effect..
TryGear
11-12-2009, 07:01 AM
Cortizone if often mixed with a painkiller like lidocaine, so that may have been the mix.
dremen
11-12-2009, 04:54 PM
About 20 years ago my doctor gave me a shot for a problem with my bicep.If anybody in Calgary remembers old EK in Westbrook,maybe they have a clue.I've been trying to figure just what it was,because I don't believe it was what the label said,Deca Durabolin.It came in one of those mini aliquots( 2 ml)but it didn't have the plastic cap on it....I think maybe it was a mix...I was immediately stronger the next day,libido was very high for a couple of days and then went to nil.Strength gains were good,I was adding 10 kg to major lifts every 48 hrs,zero muscle soreness.Lasted strong for a week,tapered off in 10 days.Any guesses?
20 years ago, ya most likely cortizone mixed with a painkiller.
Your blood thinned out a bit and you had pain meds in ya so your pumps would have been larger with less soreness.
When im natty with NO supps in me i notice a get way better pumps if i take ibuprofen and tylanol pre-workout. Had a headache once and took a hand full to kill it pre-workout so don't think im an addict....lol
20 years ago, ya most likely cortizone mixed with a painkiller.
Your blood thinned out a bit and you had pain meds in ya so your pumps would have been larger with less soreness.
When im natty with NO supps in me i notice a get way better pumps if i take ibuprofen and tylanol pre-workout. Had a headache once and took a hand full to kill it pre-workout so don't think im an addict....lol
Well,actually I requested something anabolic to aid in the repair of the bicep:D.He told me it was deca...for those that didn't know EK,he was popular with the wrestlers in town.He was also an anesthesiologist,which I believe led to his sudden departure....he was nearing retirement anyhow.After 10 days strength started dropping back somewhat...
bongd
11-12-2009, 07:01 PM
I can't see why he'd give you deca, especially considering how it'd likely be durabolin. HG deca comes in low ass concentrations like 50mg a ml so 100mg of a long acting steroid for an injury? Doesn't make sense. It's being phased out too, IIRC. Not even burn patients are getting deca anymore.
It was cortisone and the rest was just placebo. He probably brushed it off when you asked for an anabolic steroid and just gave you a "steroid" - cortisone.
No,I read the bottle.(Additional charge as well)The strength increases came at a time that I had plateaued.Couldn't sleep for a damn.Ravenously hungry day and night.Went up 5 pounds in a week.EK was well known...
tums1000
11-12-2009, 11:07 PM
def not deca ,deca has a long ass ester..so it would take a while to build up in you system
gregdoucette
11-12-2009, 11:10 PM
agreed definetely not deca and probably cortizone, and eatign all the time would have maxed ur glycogen storage and allowed for better pumps. Don't underestimate the power of a placebo and if placebo works then who cares power of the mind can do wonderful things.
dremen
12-12-2009, 01:14 AM
Well,actually I requested something anabolic to aid in the repair of the bicep:D.He told me it was deca...for those that didn't know EK,he was popular with the wrestlers in town.He was also an anesthesiologist,which I believe led to his sudden departure....he was nearing retirement anyhow.After 10 days strength started dropping back somewhat...
Well for 20 years ago you sure as shit seem to remember the details very well:ne
Maybe u got a shot of test-prop. When i've been off for a while i can feel prop-ace 24 hours after inject....not much, but enough to know im on....lol
I think maybe it was npp+prop.I added 40 kg to hack slides in 10 days....don't think that's a placebo....my memory is pretty good for some things..unless it's something my wife said.:)
dremen
12-12-2009, 11:55 AM
I think maybe it was npp+prop.I added 40 kg to hack slides in 10 days....don't think that's a placebo....my memory is pretty good for some things..unless it's something my wife said.:)
Dude im not sure there would be a test-prop/npp combo mix pharma grade 20 years ago....or even today....lol
Could be wrong though:)
Dremen,as I said,this doc was well known in wrestler circles.The cap was off.He could have put together his own mix...He liked to do it for himself...:D
C-money
12-12-2009, 04:05 PM
like greg said the mind is a powerful thing... no offence but there isnt one AAS out there thats gonna give you gains like that from 1 shot.
Rrrrolla
12-12-2009, 04:15 PM
like greg said the mind is a powerful thing... no offence but there isnt one AAS out there thats gonna give you gains like that from 1 shot.
Gains of that kind in 10 days? Maybe from 100mg of dbol ed for 10 days. From one shot? I dont think even a 10ml shot of tren would have time to give you those kinda gains in just 10 days. Who knows though...
bongd
12-12-2009, 05:47 PM
Sorry, man. Even if you are vehemently opposed to the idea of it being cortisone, it certainly was NOT a magical wonder drug. It was NOT prop and NPP. Why in the blue hell would the doctor give you that??
There aren't any other injectable steroids that would be appropriate for this situation. Not anabolic androgenic steroids for that matter.
:beat
like greg said the mind is a powerful thing... no offence but there isnt one AAS out there thats gonna give you gains like that from 1 shot.
You sure about that C-money?In the early 80's I used to read,iirc,Powerlifting USA mag,every month they would review a new compound.What the writer had to say in this column was that on average the East Bloc..RELEASED to the western world on average one new compound per month.Some of these compounds were developed for strength athletes,and in the words of the writer would literally make you stronger over night.They were developed because the Russians noted that the Asiatic races of eastern Russia seemed to be capable of storing more energy in their muscles,note the Sherpas for instance.What do we have today,20-30 choices?Mostly aimed at mass.
Sorry, man. Even if you are vehemently opposed to the idea of it being cortisone, it certainly was NOT a magical wonder drug. It was NOT prop and NPP. Why in the blue hell would the doctor give you that??
There aren't any other injectable steroids that would be appropriate for this situation. Not anabolic androgenic steroids for that matter.
:beat
Collagen synthesis.Anti inflammatory.How do you figure steroids don't help in healing injuries bongd?About a dozen years ago an NFL team doctor wrote a book on his experiences,wish I could remember the name,very interesting stuff....unbelievable dosages for the guys on the line.How do you think these guys used to get over their injuries so quickly?
buildinthaskinnys
12-12-2009, 09:45 PM
My first dabble with the juice was taking 100 mg of nandrolone decanoate once a week for 4 weeks before upping to about 200 mg, then going to 300 mg for the last 4 weeks, within a week of shooting all of my joint pain was eliminated, and my endurance went way up, I could do set after set and never get tired, strength was up a little, it would have been better had I been training and eating alot more efficiently, bad thing when you dont know what you are doing, I overtrained like crazy in this time. Still I brang my weight up from 148 to 182 in three months, but before starting I had been sick and went from about 170 pounds down to 145 lbs months before.
gregdoucette
12-12-2009, 10:23 PM
hope this does not turn into another "I gained 35 lbs of muscle in 1 year" Doesn't anybody know the difference between fat and muscle anymore. no one gains 35 lbs of muscle in 3 months. I dont care if u were in a concentration camp for 3 years and then took everydrug on the plannet ur still not goign to gain 35 lbs of muscle in 3 months. The body simoply can't build muscle that fast.
Ur strength on the other hand can go through the roof in 3 months.
C-money
13-12-2009, 01:31 AM
You sure about that C-money?In the early 80's I used to read,iirc,Powerlifting USA mag,every month they would review a new compound.What the writer had to say in this column was that on average the East Bloc..RELEASED to the western world on average one new compound per month.Some of these compounds were developed for strength athletes,and in the words of the writer would literally make you stronger over night.They were developed because the Russians noted that the Asiatic races of eastern Russia seemed to be capable of storing more energy in their muscles,note the Sherpas for instance.What do we have today,20-30 choices?Mostly aimed at mass.
You seem to know about this mystery shot more than us... youre oppose to what we may think it is... why the **** you asking us then? lol... cortizone+high glycogen levels+placebo effect = mystery shot:popc2
You seem to know about this mystery shot more than us... youre oppose to what we may think it is... why the **** you asking us then? lol... cortizone+high glycogen levels+placebo effect = mystery shot:popc2
Sorry,I missed the part about cortisone bringing about large strength increases.Did I mention that it was a glute shot,not a site shot?I was maxxed out natty at the time,the sudden strength increases are impossible to ignore,as well as the near complete loss of sleep and volcanic temper.:)
bongd
14-12-2009, 05:17 PM
Collagen synthesis.Anti inflammatory.How do you figure steroids don't help in healing injuries bongd?About a dozen years ago an NFL team doctor wrote a book on his experiences,wish I could remember the name,very interesting stuff....unbelievable dosages for the guys on the line.How do you think these guys used to get over their injuries so quickly?
These guys don't get over their injuries quickly, they mask the pain and the injury is simply tolerated. They never fully recuperate.
But lets not argue semantics. Bottom line is that 2mls of any wonder drug isn't going to produce the affects that were described. It can only be chalked up to placebo and/or coincidence. I'm sincerely happy that the you felt better after leaving the doctor's office, but I think you needs to stop chasing the dragon.
Like a dope addict laying tracks in his arm, none of us are going to find a steroid that does that in a single injection. If there were a drug out there that fantastic, we'd all be running it.
it was probably some morphine and you hallucinated everything else.
These guys don't get over their injuries quickly, they mask the pain and the injury is simply tolerated. They never fully recuperate.
But lets not argue semantics. Bottom line is that 2mls of any wonder drug isn't going to produce the affects that were described. It can only be chalked up to placebo and/or coincidence. I'm sincerely happy that the you felt better after leaving the doctor's office, but I think you needs to stop chasing the dragon.
Like a dope addict laying tracks in his arm, none of us are going to find a steroid that does that in a single injection. If there were a drug out there that fantastic, we'd all be running it.
I didn't leave the office feeling better.Next day my arm started feeling better,and continued feeling better each day.He offered me another a week later but I declined because of the lack of sleep.Then followed within a few days a new appreciation for the phrase"feeling like a lazy bag of shit"Took me about two and a half weeks to start feeling normal.
Ritch
14-12-2009, 09:18 PM
I`ve never used this smiley yet, but now seems like a good time to do so:
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