What is your highest level of education?

[#8]

Just wondering who on here sought post secondary education, or entered a career earlier.

Closed poll.

[BBbox]

Generally impossible to get a good job without SOME kind of edu after highschool these days...

you not liking your new uni or what?

[#8]

I love university dude. Im pretty much a career student at this point. I went to college for two different things and now Im in Uni to make myself as employable as possible. Might do my post grad concurrently as well.

[natenator]

Business major. Mathematics minor.

Started my own company right out of school as I did not wish to do grunt work while trying to work my way up the ladder.

Have contemplated going back and getting my MBA or Finance Degree as I have several corporate finance courses under my belt already. Both tie in nicely toward future goals (CEO, COO or Executive VP).

[BBbox]

lol you love uni because of the education or because of the girls and partying?

[Durk]

I love university dude. Im pretty much a career student at this point. I went to college for two different things and now Im in Uni to make myself as employable as possible. Might do my post grad concurrently as well.

Where do you find the money? I would love to do that lol.

[kloan]

^^same... if i had the money, id be in school again

[O-Train]

I love university dude. Im pretty much a career student at this point. I went to college for two different things and now Im in Uni to make myself as employable as possible. Might do my post grad concurrently as well.

I think it depends on what you go to University for. I'm well educated but it seems like I'm not qualified to do anything. I find it very frustrating.

[#8]

^^ tell me about it dude. i find the money by working full time while i was in college but now im doing OSAP because i cant handle that shit anymore, its too much stress.

[daande]

^^ tell me about it dude. i find the money by working full time while i was in college but now im doing OSAP because i cant handle that shit anymore, its too much stress.

OSAP is ****ing stressful..Every semester for some reason they don't think you are in school anymore even though you have applied for OSAP for the next semester so they call you like a collection agency. Even the entire process to get OSAP is ridiculous:

-Fill out online app
-Wait to get approved
-Go wait in line to pick it up (usually 2 hour wait)
-Most likely there is a problem with your application so you have to come back
-Go wait in line to pick it up (usually 2 hour wait)
-Repeat until you finally get your application
-Then sign a bunch of shit on the application
-Mail it off at an authorized OSAP postal office
-Collect money
-repeat this twice a semester or twice a year depending on how they are giving it to you

[BBbox]

Id like to know if anyone here went to Law school or Med school or got their MBA or something prestigious like that

[Durk]

I was never qualified for OSAP by the old standards when I went to school. I had to take out a line of credit.

[faller]

K I'll be the dumb **** on here, never finished high school, there i said it...

1977 Tuesday, the day i walked out of school,,, Wed. i went to work and made more money than my teachers.There was not much motivation to keep going to school back than.

[grader]

not sure what catagorie to click so i wont.
i have finished all my trade schooling. its now a matter of getting hours before i have my journeyman welding ticket.
but with the fact theres no ****ing work out there im considering going to university

[monkey]

Degree in Business- major in accounting.
Currently working on getting my professional designation
MBA will most likely follow

Went back to school after roofing and working in hospitality...
Loved hospitality cuz of all the chicks but hated working weekends
Roofing was satisfying but freakin tough if you wanna do that for extended periods of time...plus I almost killed myself a couple times

[natenator]

K I'll be the dumb **** on here, never finished high school, there i said it...

1977 Tuesday, the day i walked out of school,,, Wed. i went to work and made more money than my teachers.There was not much motivation to keep going to school back than.
I can't say there's a ton of motivation today either with the exception being that kids do t want to do manual labour like a skilled trade.

I am lucky that for that past 6 or so years I have made so
e very good money that easily out does what a skilled trades person does otherwise I would have been questioning why I didn't go into tool and die like I was strongly considering.

If lucky for financial success wasn't on my side and I had to do it over again I would nob have went to school per say but rather would have went the trade route which I know would hAve involved some schooling but not as much and my earning curve would have been shortened and higher than when I first came out of school.

FYI: you are certainly no dummy that's for sure.

[BAM]

I think it depends on what you go to University for.

yup..

[steve_d]

Masters - Biostatistics. No desire to go further though (yet).

[natenator]

yup..
I preferred your gym teacher comment. It was funnier

[BAM]

Yeah.. I didnt want to insult any gym teachers so I changed it.

[nii]

Just graduated in May with a Bach. of Sc. in Computer Engineering.

Taking a risk and attempting to go into Finance. Studying for the CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) Level 1 Exam that's in June. Funny thing is, the readings for this stuff is 'fun' compared to engineering material.

[natenator]

Yeah.. I didnt want to insult any gym teachers so I changed it.
Lol since when are you worrying about insulting someo e? ;)

[natenator]

Just graduated in May with a Bach. of Sc. in Computer Engineering.

Taking a risk and attempting to go into Finance. Studying for the CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) Level 1 Exam that's in June. Funny thing is, the readings for this stuff is 'fun' compared to engineering material.
You are a certain kind of ****ed up if you think financial accounting is fi
fun lol

at least with engineering there is logic involved. Accounting is not logical lol

[trainharder]

Did a business undergrad.

Now working in finance.

[C-money]

Allz i know is i like to lift heavy stuffs.....

[faller]

I can't say there's a ton of motivation today either with the exception being that kids do t want to do manual labour like a skilled trade.

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The motivation back than as compared to today are different. Back in the 70's jobs were plentyfull, and they paid good money. I'm serious when i say i made more money than my teachers the day i quit school. If you had a strong back and worked hard you were never out of work..

Today a strong back gives you minimum wage or slighty better and an education is no guarantee of anything either. I don't envy the youth of today, makeing ends meet must be brutal.

I think that in todays environment its not so much an education or strong back that will get you somewhere, its an independant, self motivating, enterpriseing individual that stands the best chance of moveing forward.

[ubcpower]

Yeah.. I didnt want to insult any gym teachers so I changed it.

Im just finishing my Masters in Education, hoping to be an elementary school principal down the line. in my opinion one of the best jobs out there.

With all the new Ministry of ED health initiatives like Daily PE and Nutrition awareness they are scrambling for qualified PE Curriculum Development people in the school boards. These jobs hover around 90-100k/year with a lot of time off. Its not all about bouncing balls and whistles :D

[trainharder]

I'm curious how many of us are "professionals" in the traditional sense of the term here? (doctors, lawyers, chartered accountants, etc) - The level of education on the board well exceeds the average of the population...so much for bodybuilder stereotypes..

[natenator]

I'm curious how many of us are "professionals" in the traditional sense of the term here? (doctors, lawyers, chartered accountants, etc) - The level of education on the board well exceeds the average of the population...so much for bodybuilder stereotypes..
I wager few understand what a "professional" in the traditional sense is.

[nii]

The level of education on the board well exceeds the average of the population...so much for bodybuilder stereotypes..

I dont think this thread represents the board well.

Its obvious that a disproportionate number of pp will respond with their credentials simply for masturbatory purposes.

[CanadianIron]

The motivation back than as compared to today are different. Back in the 70's jobs were plentyfull, and they paid good money. I'm serious when i say i made more money than my teachers the day i quit school. If you had a strong back and worked hard you were never out of work..

Today a strong back gives you minimum wage or slighty better and an education is no guarantee of anything either. I don't envy the youth of today, makeing ends meet must be brutal.

I think that in todays environment its not so much an education or strong back that will get you somewhere, its an independant, self motivating, enterpriseing individual that stands the best chance of moveing forward.


Im gonna have to go ahead and disagree here. A LOT of the guys I know who went into apprenticeships etc are making 80K/year.. if you work hard and have some mechanical apptitude you can make good coin.

The more people wearing white collars the better imo, because when they want their car fixed, they're at your mercy. I know guys who own mechanical shops who make over 100K/year with a highschool education and a mechanics ticket.

Im personally working on an Industrial Mechanic ticket, you can pretty much walk into any decent shop and start making $25-30/hour right away with that ticket. Even if you dont have a ticket, you can get a job doing manual labour for atleast $20. Mind you, people in Ontario are going to think im talking out of my ass, but here in Vancouver where the cost of living is unreal, people have to make that kind of money.

Im not knocking professionals, If I had the time/money Id probably want to be a doctor. But I want babies and lots of them and I dont want to be having babies when im 40, so a decade of schooling is no good in my books.

[buildinthaskinnys]

I can't say there's a ton of motivation today either with the exception being that kids do t want to do manual labour like a skilled trade.

I am lucky that for that past 6 or so years I have made so
e very good money that easily out does what a skilled trades person does otherwise I would have been questioning why I didn't go into tool and die like I was strongly considering.

If lucky for financial success wasn't on my side and I had to do it over again I would nob have went to school per say but rather would have went the trade route which I know would hAve involved some schooling but not as much and my earning curve would have been shortened and higher than when I first came out of school.

FYI: you are certainly no dummy that's for sure.

How much do skilled trade people make per year? And what do you mean by skiled trade?

[waderow]

How much do skilled trade people make per year? And what do you mean by skiled trade?

you can make up to 200k in alberta if you play your cards right and are willing to tough it out in shit (but very safe) conditions

[natenator]

How much do skilled trade people make per year? And what do you mean by skiled trade?
Skilled trade in the sense of a ticketed trade. Tool and die, welding, etc.

Not sure what they make but prob in the $60K-$100K range?

[buildinthaskinnys]

I guess what Im trying to get is, do you compare yourself to someone working for someone else or someone that has their own business?

[natenator]

you can make up to 200k in alberta if you play your cards right and are willing to tough it out in shit (but very safe) conditions
Let's not use Alberta as the standard for trades work lol

it is a wee bit skewed wouldn't you say?

[natenator]

I guess what Im trying to get is, do you compare yourself to someone working for someone else or someone that has their own business?
Is this directed towards me? And in what context ?

[buildinthaskinnys]

you can make up to 200k in alberta if you play your cards right and are willing to tough it out in shit (but very safe) conditions

The patch is only as safe as the retard next to you.

[buildinthaskinnys]

Is this directed towards me? And in what context ?

It was directed at you but i know longer know where im going with this. Im in a bad mood, christmas pisses me off.

[natenator]

It was directed at you but i know longer know where im going with this. Im in a bad mood, christmas pisses me off.
Haha sorry dude! Have some spiced nog ;)

[Ritch]

Grade eleventeen.

[ironwill]

How much do skilled trade people make per year? And what do you mean by skiled trade?

Im a dual ticketed tradesman, with a professional designation......I run a crew of industrial millwrights/welders....In the past i have had pretty much all trades under me....None of my guys will make under 120000 this yr, or very few will at any rate......
I do well in my position.......
CC is going in for her professional designation and she oversees safety for all of the western canada region in our company, she does real well.....

[ironwill]

Let's not use Alberta as the standard for trades work lol

it is a wee bit skewed wouldn't you say?

Supply an demand are the biggest differences in this regard......Ontario has many that will work for less.........But alberta has much higher home prices etc...it all works out pretty close in the end....
Ive worked in all provinces except newfoundland, nova scotia, and pei.....so far...Its pretty close in regard to wages supplied, its the hours worked that are higher in AB, and overtime pay, bonuses and living subsidies...
If you have an interprovincial red seal, you go where you want to go.....
If you have 2 or more tickets, you get asked to go all over.....
If you get in management, the skies the limit...

Good choice for a career CI, you wont be dissappointed in the end....
Lots of good careers on this thread, whatever makes one happy i suppose......

[kidmode]

The patch is only as safe as the retard next to you.

x2

Even if you're not drilling. When I worked underground construction doing pipework, I worked in some pretty shady conditions with some pretty dumb people. The only companies you are gonna see strictly regulated safety conditions are big ones like EllisDon, PCL, . Everyone else is gonna shortcut because they can't afford to work slowly and safely.

All this talk about money makes me wonder why the hell I'm in school. I could have just as easily gone into be an electrician, or gone to the rigs. I'll graduate with a bachelor of science with 2 majors, Applied Mathematics and Statistics. I did research in mathematical finance last summer, and this summer I'm doing research in seismic imaging. Hopefully with a broader field of research I'll be able to find a job somewhere when I graduate. All else fails, I'll start laying pipe again lol (Or go to graduate school :P)

[faller]

Im gonna have to go ahead and disagree here. A LOT of the guys I know who went into apprenticeships etc are making 80K/year.. if you work hard and have some mechanical apptitude you can make good coin.

The more people wearing white collars the better imo, because when they want their car fixed, they're at your mercy. I know guys who own mechanical shops who make over 100K/year with a highschool education and a mechanics ticket.

Im personally working on an Industrial Mechanic ticket, you can pretty much walk into any decent shop and start making $25-30/hour right away with that ticket. Even if you dont have a ticket, you can get a job doing manual labour for atleast $20. Mind you, people in Ontario are going to think im talking out of my ass, but here in Vancouver where the cost of living is unreal, people have to make that kind of money.

Im not knocking professionals, If I had the time/money Id probably want to be a doctor. But I want babies and lots of them and I dont want to be having babies when im 40, so a decade of schooling is no good in my books.

Guess i'll have to disagree also... In 1978 when i went logging i was makeing 18.75hr. That was at the bottom of the heap...No schooling, no debt, no headachs..That was base starting rate where i lived. That was a lot of money when you consider that $25-30 today is considered good, and thats after 4 years of appreticeing. You're not going to make 80K a year working out of home, you will in some camp in Alberta, and thats not the norm, thats the exception.

Don't get me wrong CI, i'm not knocking what you're doing, i think its a great move on your part. But the original topic that you are refering to is what was the incentive for staying in school. And my point was that back than in my circle of influence there was non... I quit school and started to make a lot of money right out of the gate.. You can't do that today. Even with schooling you will have a hard time makeing ends meet.

[dremen]

K I'll be the dumb **** on here, never finished high school, there i said it...

1977 Tuesday, the day i walked out of school,,, Wed. i went to work and made more money than my teachers.There was not much motivation to keep going to school back than.

Same here bro with the exeption i gave university a try. After 3 months i was walking class to class wanting to knock everyone out with a baseball bat...lol

I DO NOT like large crowds and the year i went was the year the University had the most students....lol:(

Besides my sister did her B.A. is psychology and sociology in 3 years with a 4.0 gpa and she still has a hard time finding a good paying job that's not up north, so to be 40k in dept working a job that don't pay much didn't make sense to me.

Got into welding years ago and with the tickets i have i work when i want to and when i do it's for the company who offers the most $$$.

Canada needs trades people so bad right now it's not even funny. I know a few cities right now where first year framers are making over 40k to start...lol

And if I ever get the under water welding course under my belt there is practicly no limit as to how much i will make.

I support the trades:D

[ironwill]

Guess i'll have to disagree also... In 1978 when i went logging i was makeing 18.75hr. That was at the bottom of the heap...No schooling, no debt, no headachs..That was base starting rate where i lived. That was a lot of money when you consider that $25-30 today is considered good, and thats after 4 years of appreticeing. You're not going to make 80K a year working out of home, you will in some camp in Alberta, and thats not the norm, thats the exception.

Don't get me wrong CI, i'm not knocking what you're doing, i think its a great move on your part. But the original topic that you are refering to is what was the incentive for staying in school. And my point was that back than in my circle of influence there was non... I quit school and started to make a lot of money right out of the gate.. You can't do that today. Even with schooling you will have a hard time makeing ends meet.

most welder/industrial mechanic/electrician trade rates are in the mid-upper thirty dollar mark, and higher in some places...........so at 2000 hrs per yr, a base salary of 65 grand is easy, now add in time/half, and double time......doesnt take long to get to 80 plus.....My guys going home every nite will be at 39/hr in the next raise session....
Depending on the trade, and the trade CI was talking about is what im talking about....if that makes sense...I live at home, so do all my guys, and all my trade friends.....Ive done the camp thing most of my career, it wasnt worth it to me.....fun, great experience, but i spent as much as i earned...in my youth...

[CanadianIron]

Guess i'll have to disagree also... In 1978 when i went logging i was makeing 18.75hr. That was at the bottom of the heap...No schooling, no debt, no headachs..That was base starting rate where i lived. That was a lot of money when you consider that $25-30 today is considered good, and thats after 4 years of appreticeing. You're not going to make 80K a year working out of home, you will in some camp in Alberta, and thats not the norm, thats the exception.

Don't get me wrong CI, i'm not knocking what you're doing, i think its a great move on your part. But the original topic that you are refering to is what was the incentive for staying in school. And my point was that back than in my circle of influence there was non... I quit school and started to make a lot of money right out of the gate.. You can't do that today. Even with schooling you will have a hard time makeing ends meet.


I dunno man, I bought a 400K house, and I support 3 people with my income.

Right out of highschool I was making $18/hour and taking home almost $3000/month. If you're just 1 person, after rent and food you can easily bank $2G's/month. So technically a kid could have $100,000 saved by 22 if they start working at 18, that doesnt even account for raises... MOST people blow all their money on cars, cloths and drinks, but IF you applied the same work ethic one would apply to post secondary eductation towards saving money and owning a home, you could easily have $200,000 cash by your 26th birthday. Sure a professional is going to have a higher income, but they also tend to live at a higher standard. A lot of the young people I know that own homes, have them because they're in a trade. Most of the people I know who are trying to be professionals are still in school and have huge debts.

The initial jump into the job market is a HUGE advantage, just concider the huge jump in housing prices, I made 50K off my condo in 1 year ontop of my income, that wouldnt have happened if I was at home and going to college. A coworker of mine bought a condo for $180 and sold it for $350 after 3 years. Your life experience will differ from mine, but from where im sitting people who got in early came out ahead... as of right now atleast. If I hadnt gotten married, Id probably be sitting on a pretty good heap of change right now. Its hard for me to suggest to anyone to go to post secondary when for me, I would be pennieless if I had.

[#8]

one stastistic i found interesting in one of my textbooks claims that a person with a university degree on AVERAGE will earn about $350 000 - $1 000 000 more in their lifetime than someone without.

This is an average and obviously does not apply to all but is interesting none the less.

[Redz]

I did a 2 year business program but am also only 7 or 8 credits shy of an accounting diploma.

[Big D]

I think it depends on what you go to University for. I'm well educated but it seems like I'm not qualified to do anything. I find it very frustrating.

I know the feeling, it sucks.

[BBbox]

Anyone go to/apply for medical school? Thinking of trying for it next year, see how the MCAT goes

[tex]

I know the feeling, it sucks. same here. Ive got enough uni hours to be a goddamn doctor but my credits are in 3 different fields so Ive got jack shit! So I do security and I am a janitor.....surprisingly being a janitor is quite lucrative.....I make around 30/hr

[waderow]

same here. Ive got enough uni hours to be a goddamn doctor but my credits are in 3 different fields so Ive got jack shit! So I do security and I am a janitor.....surprisingly being a janitor is quite lucrative.....I make around 30/hr

if I was a janitor I would spend too much time in the girls shitter

[Durk]

And iv spent enough time in a girls shitter to become a janitor

[Chunk]

I graduated college, but not for what I wanted. I am about 4 classes away from being a computer programmer / analyst...but I hate the work now, so I just basically "threw away" some courses that I'd passed and took the basic certificate I'd earned already.

In hindsight, I wish I had've never went to college, I'd be a liscenced trades person about 5 years out of high school...would have had a house, good bank roll, and probably at least 1 kid by now rather than unemployed, renting, and sans child. Oh well, can't live in the past I guess!

The big problem I have with college and universities, is that you aren't qualified to do shit out of school despite the piece of paper in your hand. Most of the time you end up with a $60 000 diploma and a job at canadian tire. Our generation (people 20-30) were conned into thinking you couldn't make anything of yourself if you didn't go to college...total bullshit!!!!! The only thing we made for ourselves is a lot of ****ing debt, and a lot of unused potential.

**** OSAP, COLLEGE, and UNIVERSITY! haha

[Chunk]

K I'll be the dumb **** on here, never finished high school, there i said it...

1977 Tuesday, the day i walked out of school,,, Wed. i went to work and made more money than my teachers.There was not much motivation to keep going to school back than.

i would argue that there shouldn't be that much motivation now, either. If you are smart enough to get into a trade right out of school, you'll be making 25-30 bucks an hour rather than being 25000-30000 in osap debt once they're done school.

hard work and perseverance > diploma in a lot of cases.

[ironwill]

If one could get a doctorate for time served (grandfather clause) like you used to be able to do with trades....Id be a certified gynecologist by now..:wtf

[CanadianIron]

one stastistic i found interesting in one of my textbooks claims that a person with a university degree on AVERAGE will earn about $350 000 - $1 000 000 more in their lifetime than someone without.

This is an average and obviously does not apply to all but is interesting none the less.

Even that amount, In my opinion, is negligible. Over 50 years of work, thats 7-20K/year and thats being taxed at the highest tax bracket. (almost 50%) So we're talking best case scenario, on average, maybe an extra $1000/month.

Schooling is paid for with taxed income so the true cost is VERY high when you concider how much you pay for it and the earnings you lose during your schooling.

I have no problem with people going to university to become doctors, dentists, engineers etc. But when people go for some business crap and act like they're better than the blue collar guy it drives me nuts, statisticly the uneducated are the highest AND the lowest earners, mostly lowest.

It all boils down to how you work, and whether or not you're really smart. Going to school wont teach you how to work, and being "wise" cannot be taught either. Just do your best.

[Krozone]

Generally impossible to get a good job without SOME kind of edu after highschool these days.......







Bull Shit

I've got a PHD in results! (Anthony Robbins)



I Graduated from High School in Montreal. No post secondary education outside of my professional development.

I make just over 70K a year. (in my 30s now. In my early 20s, I worked for Symantec here in Toronto (Technical Support). While working for them, I had the opportunity to work in Japan for 2 years. I took that opportunity and learned from it.

I know more Bachelor and Master degree recipients who are unemployed then I do those who only have their HS Diplomas and are making over 50K.


If I could go back to school and get a Masters, I would. Not to get a better job ( That's up to me ), I'd like to be better educated and hold a greater wealth of knowledge. But you are sorely mistaken to think that in order to get a good job that you need a University degree. Complete Bull Shit. That assumption is why a LARGE portion of those recipitants live at home with their family; Student Dept.

Trades are the most secure as far as I am concerned. I know some Dumb Fuc|<s that are good to go due to the Trades they are in.


Kro!

[Spyder122]

I graduated from College with a 2 year diploma in Electrical Engineering Technology. I spent total $5000 in tuition and books. It landed me a decent job.

[Canadian Protein.com]

I dont think this thread represents the board well.

Its obvious that a disproportionate number of pp will respond with their credentials

I totally agree with this statement!

[gicantor]

highschool->welding school->welder

[waderow]

Only graduated from highschool but entering a 4year BS next September with a major in Oenology and Viticulture.. Inspiring to have my own vineyard one day... Okanogan here I come!

cool aspirations

when it happens I expect a tour and a tasting

[dremen]

highschool->welding school->welder


What tickets do you hold bro.

Have my flat, horizontal, vertical and overhead plate on carbon steel(gmaw) and (smaw) along with my flat (gtaw) and 2'' carbon steel pipe all positions.

[faller]

most welder/industrial mechanic/electrician trade rates are in the mid-upper thirty dollar mark, and higher in some places...........so at 2000 hrs per yr, a base salary of 65 grand is easy, now add in time/half, and double time......doesnt take long to get to 80 plus.....My guys going home every nite will be at 39/hr in the next raise session....Depending on the trade, and the trade CI was talking about is what im talking about....if that makes sense...I live at home, so do all my guys, and all my trade friends.....Ive done the camp thing most of my career, it wasnt worth it to me.....fun, great experience, but i spent as much as i earned...in my youth...

But thats my point, you're in Alberta which right now is the exception. A lot of that has to do with supply and demand as you stated in another post. Northern BC is probably on par with Alberta but I bet the rest of Canada doesn't come close, but that would be more of a guess on my part..

But regardless you can't go wrong with trades, any trade.. For years now the educator's have been pushing kids towards techology which has left a huge hole in the trade sector......

Unless you're really smart and you go into dentistry. Get this, a while back i had some bridge work done, it was for a total of 10hr work. My portion, which was 20% was $3,000!! Makes a guy wish he did stay in school, lol.

[gicantor]

What tickets do you hold bro.

Have my flat, horizontal, vertical and overhead plate on carbon steel(gmaw) and (smaw) along with my flat (gtaw) and 2'' carbon steel pipe all positions.

G6 pipe(same as yours) 6010 root with 7018 fill and cap
Fluxcore open root all postions
Nuclear code vessels from work SMAW (x-ray welds)

Soon to have my hardwire ticket from work aswell.

3 years and 5 months in the biz

[dremen]

G6 pipe(same as yours) 6010 root with 7018 fill and cap
Fluxcore open root all postions
Nuclear code vessels from work SMAW (x-ray welds)

Soon to have my hardwire ticket from work aswell.

3 years and 5 months in the biz


And your only 23 bro, good job. What u pulling in wage wise gicantor?

Keep adding tickets to your resume bro and you will be making killer cash.

Also make sure ALL your tickets are transferable bro. It's not worth it to have tickets that are only good when working for just that company.

In a few years i would like to start my own shop making shit for homeowners ect.

Ever see that episode of Holmes on Homes where the bar in the basement had steel doors with fancy designs on em? That kind of shit is worth thousands to them fancy ass people who like everything to be pretty...lol

[gicantor]

And your only 23 bro, good job. What u pulling in wage wise gicantor?

Keep adding tickets to your resume bro and you will be making killer cash.

Also make sure ALL your tickets are transferable bro. It's not worth it to have tickets that are only good when working for just that company.

In a few years i would like to start my own shop making shit for homeowners ect.

Ever see that episode of Holmes on Homes where the bar in the basement had steel doors with fancy designs on em? That kind of shit is worth thousands to them fancy ass people who like everything to be pretty...lol

23.00/hr + benefits and rrsp. I'm not rich but I can live comfortably. I'm only doing 5 years in this trade then once I have the experience I'll either become a teacher or start applying for foreman positions. And try to get a education at the same time lol. I still want the college or university experience.

Yeah the ones from work are not transferable.

Never seen that episode but I know there is good money in that kind of work.

[dremen]

23.00/hr + benefits and rrsp. I'm not rich but I can live comfortably. I'm only doing 5 years in this trade then once I have the experience I'll either become a teacher or start applying for foreman positions. And try to get a education at the same time lol.

Yeah the ones from work are not transferable.

Never seen that episode but I know there is good money in that kind of work.


Dude don't go the foreman route. You will get ****ed up the ass with OT and company bullshit OR they will try and put you an salery and make you work 65 hours a week, trust me bro......lol

Look for a Welding Supervisor position or a good company looking for people who can vessel weld like a mofo and you can start upwards of 40-50 bucks per hour.

Shit just this summer i seen a few vessel welding positions on jobbank for 80 something per hour to start PLUS perks like company trucks ect.

Never, EVER let a company talk you into a salery position when it comes to welding/metal fabrication.....EVER.....lol

[kidmode]

You guys should get your pressure welding ticket. When I installed 12,000lb steel pipe at a water treatment plant the welders were making like $2500 between the 2 for every joint. We would lay the pipe, they would follow behind us and weld the 2 pipes together on the outside and inside. We put in 2-3 pipe in everyday for like 12 days lol I guess water treatment plans don't go up everyday and it might be hard to get that contract, but man that would be nice.

[gicantor]

Dude don't go the foreman route. You will get ****ed up the ass with OT and company bullshit OR they will try and put you an salery and make you work 65 hours a week, trust me bro......lol

Look for a Welding Supervisor position or a good company looking for people who can vessel weld like a mofo and you can start upwards of 40-50 bucks per hour.

Shit just this summer i seen a few vessel welding positions on jobbank for 80 something per hour to start PLUS perks like company trucks ect.

Never, EVER let a company talk you into a salery position when it comes to welding/metal fabrication.....EVER.....lol

40-50 an hour? Let me guess you live out west lol. We don't make that kind of money in Ontario

[gicantor]

You guys should get your pressure welding ticket. When I installed 12,000lb steel pipe at a water treatment plant the welders were making like $2500 between the 2 for every joint. We would lay the pipe, they would follow behind us and weld the 2 pipes together on the outside and inside. We put in 2-3 pipe in everyday for like 12 days lol I guess water treatment plans don't go up everyday and it might be hard to get that contract, but man that would be nice.

G6 pipe is 'B' pressure. Not sure if that quailfies. There so many different ticket it's hard to keep track. lol

[dremen]

40-50 an hour? Let me guess you live out west lol. We don't make that kind of money in Ontario

Ummm more central bro and yes to make them big bucks you need to be willing to re-locate.

You would'nt move out of provence for 50 bucks an hour plus all the OT you want?

[BIGABOY]

i got my JM red seal millwright ticket at the age of 23 with a first year welding apprentice, moved to alberta from ontario and i have never looked back, i was jumping jobs cause the other guy would pay me more, and i was able to work 60 plus hours a week, now i am in a very good place where i see my self for 30 plus years, pension, awsome money, my boss is the best that i ever had.

BIGA

[_Ragnar_]

I worked a couple of crappy jobs straight out of high school. I took a job installing soffit and siding 3 and a half years ago and never looked back. I currently make around 45k a year and have the opportunity to own the company I work for in the next few years. Which would put my income well into the area of 200k. People with high school diplomas who don't make money aren't trying hard enough. I am 22 years old, married and am looking at buying a house. Most of my friends who went to university still live at home.

[gicantor]

I worked a couple of crappy jobs straight out of high school. I took a job installing soffit and siding 3 and a half years ago and never looked back. I currently make around 45k a year and have the opportunity to own the company I work for in the next few years. Which would put my income well into the area of 200k. People with high school diplomas who don't make money aren't trying hard enough. I am 22 years old, married and am looking at buying a house. Most of my friends who went to university still live at home.

Congrats dude! I'm putting in a offer on my first house tomorrow. My friends are the same way.Swimming in debt.

[gicantor]

Ummm more central bro and yes to make them big bucks you need to be willing to re-locate.

You would'nt move out of provence for 50 bucks an hour plus all the OT you want?

Not anymore as I am content here. I will make more money it just takes time and experience

[pseclint]

Finishing a Degree myself and have a diploma..... I am very business minded although what Im taking has nothing to do with business......

[vakker]

Finishing my masters

[LD4HW]

Law/Crim....hate my job!LOL

[monkey]

My dad was a machinist all his life.. went into all sorts of trade and ended up being a super intendent. he made good money and was excellent at what he did ( he learned in Germany.. back then that meant a lot I guess.

I was deciding what to do and he said this to me

" Go learn and study. I loved my job and would do it again. Being young, it is good but the older you get, the harder it gets on your body. Most people I know get hurt at somepoint..."

I sit in an office all day. Have to say that up to this day, physical wokr was the most staisfying work I have done.. just not sure if I'd like to do that when I am 50...

[dremen]

My dad was a machinist all his life.. went into all sorts of trade and ended up being a super intendent. he made good money and was excellent at what he did ( he learned in Germany.. back then that meant a lot I guess.

I was deciding what to do and he said this to me

" Go learn and study. I loved my job and would do it again. Being young, it is good but the older you get, the harder it gets on your body. Most people I know get hurt at somepoint..."

I sit in an office all day. Have to say that up to this day, physical wokr was the most staisfying work I have done.. just not sure if I'd like to do that when I am 50...


I find being on at least test really help when it comes to physicaly demanding jobs like welding shop/machine shop ect.

Most things people would get a forklift or crane for i just up and over my head and go where it needs to go....lol

They make fun of me for trying to be tough or something like that where in REALITY im not so ****ing lazy im going to wait 25 minutes for a forklift when i can just move it myself...lol

[Van Zan]

master in eng.

now that its almost over I'm having doubt
I hate my life
I hate everyone
I hate school
I hate working

I need a vacation

[dremen]

master in eng.

now that its almost over I'm having doubt
I hate my life
I hate everyone
I hate school
I hate working

I need a vacation


Change everything then bro and take a ****ing vacation already.

Somewhere sunny where beers are cheap and the woman even cheaper....lol:yeah

[ironwill]

My dad was a machinist all his life.. went into all sorts of trade and ended up being a super intendent. he made good money and was excellent at what he did ( he learned in Germany.. back then that meant a lot I guess.

I was deciding what to do and he said this to me

" Go learn and study. I loved my job and would do it again. Being young, it is good but the older you get, the harder it gets on your body. Most people I know get hurt at somepoint..."

I sit in an office all day. Have to say that up to this day, physical wokr was the most staisfying work I have done.. just not sure if I'd like to do that when I am 50...
Thats why you bust your butt, then gett off tools and become superintendent....You get grieved if you try and do shit then....lol....so you dont do shit....lol..jk, it is many a day id love to just go back to tools and have someone else make the plans and decisions, easier on the body, harder on the stress and brain levels...

[waderow]

master in eng.

now that its almost over I'm having doubt
I hate my life
I hate everyone
I hate school
I hate working

I need a vacation

I envy you. My dream and aptitude was/is civil and structural engineering. To me there is nothing more interesting then designing a structure based on mathematical computations and logic.

[natenator]

I envy you. My dream and aptitude was/is civil and structural engineering. To me there is nothing more interesting then designing a structure based on mathematical computations and logic.
I ex is a civil engineer who owns a consultig engineering firm. While the work may be interestig she would tell you the business side of engineering is not.

[ironwill]

I envy you. My dream and aptitude was/is civil and structural engineering. To me there is nothing more interesting then designing a structure based on mathematical computations and logic.

I was going to be an engineer, but then got on the job, and saw the real story...lol....when you put that ring on your pinkie finger it cuts the blood path to the brain....lolol....
JK, many of my friends are engineers.......But some days, im the one that has to carry out tasks with my crew that they have planned, im often re-planning because they missed a large object in the way of the structure i am to build.....sigh...

[waderow]

My construction experience would make me a gifted p.eng.

Most engineers have only seen a text book and dont know their head from ass on site.

[natenator]

My construction experience would make me a gifted p.eng.

Most engineers have only seen a text book and dont know their head from ass on site.
This is very true. Also true a lot of contractors feel they can change plans onsite without Engineering approval/supervision which force the Engineer to either shut the
down temporarily or make the contractor dig up their work and do it over again.

I've seen more costly mistakes due to contractors not following plans. One reason my ex will only work with contractors whom she approves. Engineers and contractor need to function as a team but sadly both groups have huge egos.

[waderow]

This is very true. Also true a lot of contractors feel they can change plans onsite without Engineering approval/supervision which force the Engineer to either shut the
down temporarily or make the contractor dig up their work and do it over again.

I've seen more costly mistakes due to contractors not following plans. One reason my ex will only work with contractors whom she approves. Engineers and contractor need to function as a team but sadly both groups have huge egos.

I have only seen that on scabby low budget condominium construction.

Industrial shit has too much QC and inspections these days. Some aspects of the work have engineers sitting on chairs watching the workers.

I hear ya though. There has been some pretty brutal shit go down.

[PdH]

I love Uni too. It's great fun and great views.

[drdnj]

12 years of University here..... PhD in neurophysiology.... life in academia....

D

[ironwill]

I have only seen that on scabby low budget condominium construction.

Industrial shit has too much QC and inspections these days. Some aspects of the work have engineers sitting on chairs watching the workers.

I hear ya though. There has been some pretty brutal shit go down.

Yup, in industry it is a total different ball game....not many would understand....where men are men, and sheep are nervous....lol....But honestly, bldg construction, is not even close to what we do....
No ego with most of us, but lots of experience, that many engineers lack.....unfortunately....cant plan from a desk i always say...

[PdH]

I like to do a degree, work for a while, then do another. **** I'm at U of O right now and they pay me $38 an hour to demean first years.

[waderow]

Yup, in industry it is a total different ball game....not many would understand....where men are men, and sheep are nervous....lol....But honestly, bldg construction, is not even close to what we do....
No ego with most of us, but lots of experience, that many engineers lack.....unfortunately....cant plan from a desk i always say...

you need to respect them too. they do not have simple jobs either.

[natenator]

you need to respect them too. they do not have simple jobs either.
Not only is the job not simple but are heavily accountable. Their libability on a project can outlast their lives thus leaving their estate open to lawsuits.

Their liability can rival that of a Doctor.

[waderow]

Not only is the job not simple but are heavily accountable. Their libability on a project can outlast their lives thus leaving their estate open to lawsuits.

Their liability can rival that of a Doctor.

oh yeah. they can lose their professional designation with one numer being wrong..... 3 instead of 8....

[ironwill]

you need to respect them too. they do not have simple jobs either.

umm yeah, it was mostly a joke..... guess you didnt catch it..been doing this for 20 yrs, i dont think id be around or the position i hold if i didnt....no?

[waderow]

umm yeah, it was mostly a joke..... guess you didnt catch it..been doing this for 20 yrs, i dont think id be around or the position i hold if i didnt....no?

lol I know how it is. Yourself excluded, but most everyone in construction thinks engineers do very little, and they complain when an engineer insists something be done a certain way. 90% of the common hands on construction guys probably think they are smarter than the engineers working the job.

[ironwill]

lol I know how it is. Yourself excluded, but most everyone in construction thinks engineers do very little, and they complain when an engineer insists something be done a certain way. 90% of the common hands on construction guys probably think they are smarter than the engineers working the job.

oh yeah, that one is true....lol, many of them think everything except what they do is easy....lol...

[waderow]

engineers were slaving away years before anyone ever knew about the project, and the construction phase is the minor aspect of their involvement

[O-Train]

I envy you. My dream and aptitude was/is civil and structural engineering. To me there is nothing more interesting then designing a structure based on mathematical computations and logic.

That was my original plan also. If I had stayed in Civil Engineering I would have graduated and became a Combat Engineer. Not only the building aspect, but you get to work with a shitload of explosives :). Life plan changed, went into HK/Biological Science.

For me it was a good decision for a number of reasons.

A lot of my high school friends went into engineering. Mechanical, computer, electrical etc...It's all very stressful.

[Bowlcut]

No point going to university unless it is for a professional designation like engineer, accountant, finance, or to prepare for med or law school.

I know people who did 5 years of university to end up with a geography or history degree to realize that they were stalking store shelves.

[natenator]

No point going to university unless it is for a professional designation like engineer, accountant, finance, or to prepare for med or law school.

I know people who did 5 years of university to end up with a geography or history degree to realize that they were stalking store shelves.
Blame the user for picking stupid ****ing studies with virtually no career options other than teacher.

[pseclint]

I have a petroleum Engg Diploma and finishing a Degree....... its awesome, jk

[Durk]

No point going to university unless it is for a professional designation like engineer, accountant, finance, or to prepare for med or law school.

I know people who did 5 years of university to end up with a geography or history degree to realize that they were stalking store shelves.

lol over 50% of the people I know working at chapters have graduated with a degree.

[Bowlcut]

Blame the user for picking stupid ****ing studies with virtually no career options other than teacher.

And blame the government for taking the money you make because you actually got a degree that is beneficial, and then dolling it out so radical leftists can get their women's studies degrees.

I have nothing but utter disdain for the arts and humanities faculty of where I was educated (lets include UQAM as well because the students strike). Spoiled champagne socialists who want people busting their asses to pay for their tuition so they can learn about their "feelings".

Honestly I would love to drive a bulldozer through Concordia, UQAM, HEC, and the rest of the communist filled campuses.

[waderow]

^^^^ it seems that 75% of all professors are commies in all universities....

something about if you cant succeed in it, teach it

[Bowlcut]

^^^^ it seems that 75% of all professors are commies in all universities....

something about if you cant succeed in it, teach it

90% of the economics faculty at a school will be statists. Universities at public institutions know who butters their bread and have nothing but praise for big government.

I did however have a brilliant history professor who worked on Tom Cruise's Valkyrie and he was a staunch conservative who hated all Reds. Former Hitler Jugend I think as well.

[waderow]

90% of the economics faculty at a school will be statists. Universities at public institutions know who butters their bread and have nothing but praise for big government.

I did however have a brilliant history professor who worked on Tom Cruise's Valkyrie and he was a staunch conservative who hated all Reds. Former Hitler Jugend I think as well.

cool guy to chat with I am sure.

[pseclint]

The new bathroom reader has a pretty sweet article on hitler and all the drugs and injects he was taking, very michael jackson like.....

[faller]

^^^^ it seems that 75% of all professors are commies in all universities....

something about if you cant succeed in it, teach it

That also go's for critics, politicians.. If you can't build it up you can always try and tear it down.

[JifeLacket]

I ride a bike really fast, get paid, and get an additional 10k for school each year as long as i need it.. decent..

[drdnj]

lol over 50% of the people I know working at chapters have graduated with a degree.

Underachievers....nothing to do with the degree

[drdnj]

^^^^ it seems that 75% of all professors are commies in all universities....

something about if you cant succeed in it, teach it

Not in the medical sciences.....you have to "succeed in it" to be on faculty. It comes as performance based evaluation: Grants, Publications, Trainees, Teaching awards, etc.

[PdH]

Id like to know if anyone here went to Law school or Med school or got their MBA or something prestigious like that

I have a B.A., M.A., LL.B. and I'm currently doing my Phd. I also have a number of academic publications. Can you see the glint from my perfect shiny white teeth? Law school is the bomb man, more pussy and partying than should be legal. Too much stress so people go nuts. :)

[dremen]

I have a B.A., M.A., LL.B. and I'm currently doing my Phd. I also have a number of academic publications. Can you see the glint from my perfect shiny white teeth? Law school is the bomb man, more pussy and partying than should be legal. Too much stress so people go nuts. :)


Ha ha ha last thing i would want to do is piss of a chick with a education in Law:shock

[deletedandgone]

Did an undergrad with physics major and statistics specialist (basically applied math kinda guy). Currently in grad school doing my MA in computational finance. Working research jobs and with grad school money, as of 2 months ago I payed all my debt off and the next paycheck goes as positive credit.

But I'm sick and tired of school and learning. No time for girls either, which drives me nuts. So I'll be done 8 months from now and I'll start looking for a job in 6 months, probably in finance. Then I have 3 options: work, do PhD or do CFA/MBA program. Right now I'm so burned out from all the coursework that I just don't give a shit about anything - so I'll just go work.

Seriously, after all this work, I envy bus drivers and garbage workers. I really do. I haven't been on a vacation in 5 years, and can't remember the last time I took 2 days on the weekend to do nothing at all. And I really need new clothes. ****, this is depressing...

[natenator]

Did an undergrad with physics major and statistics specialist (basically applied math kinda guy). Currently in grad school doing my MA in computational finance. Working research jobs and with grad school money, as of 2 months ago I payed all my debt off and the next paycheck goes as positive credit.

But I'm sick and tired of school and learning. No time for girls either, which drives me nuts. So I'll be done 8 months from now and I'll start looking for a job in 6 months, probably in finance. Then I have 3 options: work, do PhD or do CFA/MBA program. Right now I'm so burned out from all the coursework that I just don't give a shit about anything - so I'll just go work.

Seriously, after all this work, I envy bus drivers and garbage workers. I really do. I haven't been on a vacation in 5 years, and can't remember the last time I took 2 days on the weekend to do nothing at all. And I really need new clothes. ****, this is depressing...
I don't envy bus drivers and garbage workers.

If I had to rely on their salary I'd feel like I was living in poverty!

[Aaron_37]

3/4 of the way through a BA Honours at the moment. Hoping to pursue either an MBA or a JD/LLB... perhaps both if funds/interest provides for it.

[Redz]

I have a 2 year business diploma and am only about 8 credits shy of another 2 year accounting diploma if I ever decide to finish it.

[Retics]

Highschool , started pipefitting but never was signed as an apprentice till after 3 years working , started subcontracting as an apprentice and best pay was $6,300 every 10 days, with a live out allowance.
Wage is usually 29-34 depending on the company and collective agreements. Not many companies will hire apprentices as sub-contractors though these days.
I am really getting tired of it though, I've worked places where you will put in over 250 hours in 3 weeks and working in -30 isn't fun for me.
Sometimes weighing in personal freedom and happiness isn't worth the money.

I'm looking at going into a certified safety officer position and teaching H2s and fall arrest.
Have also worked bouncing in bars in Fort McMurray and in Edmonton part time and the money can be good if you know how to work the door.

[_Z_]

2.5 years of uni general courses before i decided i liked computers
did a 2yr + practicum diploma program with that, getting additional certifications on the side.

got out of school worked for a phone company for about a year and decided it wasn't for me.

oilpatch is where i settled through both direct and indirect ties.
fell into a decent job and got all my tickets/certifications as quick as i could

i have my own company now and can't say the education was for nothing (mainly because i paid alot for it lol), while not directly involved with what i went to school for, it has certainly allowed me to progress quickly.

i've thought a couple of times of going back and adding an engineering degree to compliment what i do. but by the time i would finish, i would have missed out on so much earning potential that it just doesn't make sense.

[natenator]

2.5 years of uni general courses before i decided i liked computers
did a 2yr + practicum diploma program with that, getting additional certifications on the side.

got out of school worked for a phone company for about a year and decided it wasn't for me.

oilpatch is where i settled through both direct and indirect ties.
fell into a decent job and got all my tickets/certifications as quick as i could

i have my own company now and can't say the education was for nothing (mainly because i paid alot for it lol), while not directly involved with what i went to school for, it has certainly allowed me to progress quickly.

i've thought a couple of times of going back and adding an engineering degree to compliment what i do. but by the time i would finish, i would have missed out on so much earning potential that it just doesn't make sense.
And (at least here in Ontario under PEO) to obtain your certified designation as an Engineer you need to work under one for a period of 5 years believe before you can write the tests to try and get your designation.

School allows you to put B.Eng after your name. P.Eng requires certification which you need to have worked under a professional Engineer.

So I'd agree with you fo sho. Not worth it.

NOT sure how other provinces work.

[_Z_]

And (at least here in Ontario under PEO) to obtain your certified designation as an Engineer you need to work under one for a period of 5 years believe before you can write the tests to try and get your designation.

School allows you to put B.Eng after your name. P.Eng requires certification which you need to have worked under a professional Engineer.

So I'd agree with you fo sho. Not worth it.

NOT sure how other provinces work.

pretty sure it's 5 years here also. it used to be less but they bumped it up a few years back.

[treebuilder]

Bachelor of Science in Forestry with a Minor in Forest Science. Made my last student loan payment last Friday..
Considered as a Forester In Training in BC. This will lead to my RPF designation. (Registered Prfessional Forester)

[Delt King]

Bachelor of Science in Forestry with a Minor in Forest Science. Made my last student loan payment last Friday..
Considered as a Forester In Training in BC. This will lead to my RPF designation. (Registered Prfessional Forester)

Not sure what that is but it does sound cool. :D

[pseclint]

pretty sure it's 5 years here also. it used to be less but they bumped it up a few years back.

you get a B. Engg degree, then you have to put in your hours and write an exam to be a professional engg....... you can do an eng degree course in 4 yrs

[kloan]

I dropped out in Kindergarten. I knew right then and there school wasn't for me.

[faller]

Bachelor of Science in Forestry with a Minor in Forest Science. Made my last student loan payment last Friday..
Considered as a Forester In Training in BC. This will lead to my RPF designation. (Registered Prfessional Forester)

Hows the job prospects? I know quite a few RPF's that are just sitting around, pretty bleak in the forest industry right now.

[faller]

I dropped out in Kindergarten. I knew right then and there school wasn't for me.

Lol kloan.. Hell my father inlaw left school in grade 6 or 7 and he's worth about 3 mil. now. Maybe you're on to something ;)

[treebuilder]

Hows the job prospects? I know quite a few RPF's that are just sitting around, pretty bleak in the forest industry right now.

'Bleak' would be a positive spin. Guys with 15-20 years of exp. are suddenly finding themselves without work. When I started school there was a 90-95% placement rate for our foresters and forest engineers from UNB in BC alone.

Today, the forestry degree is just a gateway degree to do something else (law or business). Very few companies are taking graduates. Luckily I specialized in tree physiology and plant/soil interactions and not forest management. There will be always a demand for seedlings in BC; however, since many of the companies are cutting less, there is a surplus of greenhouse capacity. The nursery business has become very cut-throat.

I keep telling myself that I just need to grow just one "medicinal" crop in one greenhouse and I would be set for life.

[faller]

I keep telling myself that I just need to grow just one "medicinal" crop in one greenhouse and I would be set for life.

Lol, i hear even thats become cut-throat.

[dremen]

I keep telling myself that I just need to grow just one "medicinal" crop in one greenhouse and I would be set for life.

Under pictures, Google "krusty buckets" or "freedom buckets" then. That's the way to get shit done proper:)

[Bowlcut]

Hows the job prospects? I know quite a few RPF's that are just sitting around, pretty bleak in the forest industry right now.

Lumber has rallied pretty good this year, but a slow down in China will obviously reduce prices.

Problem for Canadians is that there is such a glut of homes in the USA that American demand for wood is going to remain low for years to come.

[ironwill]

Lumber has rallied pretty good this year, but a slow down in China will obviously reduce prices.

Problem for Canadians is that there is such a glut of homes in the USA that American demand for wood is going to remain low for years to come.

China has very little to do with our softwood industry.....The reason it is faring better now is the enormous stockpile the U.S had is now pretty much depleted.....Not much softwood goes to China....99.9 percent goes to the U.S, the other.9 percent is here.....or maybe a bit more.....
The sawmills are firing back up once again.....slowly, but surely...For how long who knows, the mighty Canadian dollar is not helping by any means in this regard...

My highest education is 2 months out from professional designation for my career.....
2 Trades tickets, then back to university night classes for 3 yrs, now a capstone Thesis project and 1 more module in my courseload and im all wrapped up!!!!

[ironwill]

I am lucky that for that past 6 or so years I have made so
e very good money that easily out does what a skilled trades person does otherwise I would have been questioning why I didn't go into tool and die like I was strongly considering.

Wow you must do REAL well, congrats...Most trades guys i know are pulling in the mid 150's, and then the foremen and managers are doing quite a bit better than that.....ya rich bugger....Im coming in for a loan....:shock

Unless you mean the shop bound Ontario trades in the auto and manufacturing industry, pulling in the 60-80000 mark....But down there anyone will work for next to dick all and you are competing with folks that live 2-4 families per household etc....I feel bad for those fellas down there....

[Bowlcut]

China has very little to do with our softwood industry.....The reason it is faring better now is the enormous stockpile the U.S had is now pretty much depleted.....Not much softwood goes to China....99.9 percent goes to the U.S, the other.9 percent is here.....or maybe a bit more.....
The sawmills are firing back up once again.....slowly, but surely...For how long who knows, the mighty Canadian dollar is not helping by any means in this regard...

My highest education is 2 months out from professional designation for my career.....
2 Trades tickets, then back to university night classes for 3 yrs, now a capstone Thesis project and 1 more module in my courseload and im all wrapped up!!!!

Lumber is still a globally trade commodity just like oil. Like our lumber our oil almost exclusively goes to the USA, but global prices will have an effect on the price Canadian companies receive for their oil.

On a side note thanks to that douche Chavez Canadian heavy crude is not trading at a substantial discount Texas Intermediate because of the lack of Venezuelan and Mexican output. Lots of oil, too bad most of it is controlled by state owned oil companies.

[ironwill]

Lumber is still a globally trade commodity just like oil. Like our lumber our oil almost exclusively goes to the USA, but global prices will have an effect on the price Canadian companies receive for their oil.

On a side note thanks to that douche Chavez Canadian heavy crude is not trading at a substantial discount Texas Intermediate because of the lack of Venezuelan and Mexican output. Lots of oil, too bad most of it is controlled by state owned oil companies.It is traded globally, but the price is set mostly on american markets...AND, the american stockpile, that is why you are seeing the price strengthen...

[_Z_]

And (at least here in Ontario under PEO) to obtain your certified designation as an Engineer you need to work under one for a period of 5 years believe before you can write the tests to try and get your designation.

School allows you to put B.Eng after your name. P.Eng requires certification which you need to have worked under a professional Engineer.

So I'd agree with you fo sho. Not worth it.

NOT sure how other provinces work.


pretty sure it's 5 years here also. it used to be less but they bumped it up a few years back.


you get a B. Engg degree, then you have to put in your hours and write an exam to be a professional engg....... you can do an eng degree course in 4 yrs



there, had to go to the source. here is what your looking at for alberta now. i thought the work exp time had changed to 5 years like nate mentioned but i guess not


"You need 4 years of experience working under a P.Eng, however I believe you can get credit for up to 12 months for summer jobs while still in school. So if you're able to work for an engineer for 3 four month summer terms, you'd only have to work 3 years after school to get the P.Eng. 4 years is also the minimum for a B.Eng, as I know a lot of programs take 4.5 to 5 years (I personally took 5). Part of that depends on your course load though.

Hope this helps.

Russ"

[Bowlcut]

It is traded globally, but the price is set mostly on american markets...AND, the american stockpile, that is why you are seeing the price strengthen...

I read a research piece where the authors found that worldwide growth in the demand for an industry's product will result in a benefit to all of the industry members.

I am not disputing the role that the reduced stockpiles have played, but lessened demand from China will have a notable effect on lumber.
Forestry is the one industry that has a huge overcapacity due mostly to government subsidies and bailouts.

[evoke]

i've got approximately a year to go, in university.