Amount of steroids you do.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Alright, before this gets out of hand, I think it's time to start a thread like this.

There seems to be a growing trend of guys on a bunch of stuff just to grow no matter what weight they are at. There are those that don't care and those that do.

I for one don't think anyone without years of training experience should ever think of doing AAS.

I don't think someone that is 6 feet and 160lbs should be using AAS as they don't have the skills yet to gain weight correctly and will be wasting a lot of money and turning steroid use into abuse. They are usually the ones with the more is better attitude.

My advice is get your training and diet in check. Do it for a number of years until you plateau. If you can't grow past 180lbs at an average height, you haven't got your diet in check or you just haven't been at it long enough.

For all those that do these super big beginner cycles, it's pointless. A basic 500mgs of test per week and maybe some dbol will be just as good.

If you are under the age of 18 and are considering using AAS, DON'T. Even a bit over 18 is still too young imo. At that age, you have so much test in you, it's so easy to grow naturally. Slows down in early to mid 20's.


If you're some young guy who weighs 150lbs and been training for 3 months and your bud can score some gear to make you HUGE and all the girls will dig you and you can take your shirt off at the clubs, well....you're an idiot.

You can hurt yourself with this stuff. Not immediately but over time. You can ruin your health. Educate yourself, be patient, train and diet hard. Be responsible, it's your body. You only get one chance at this life with it. Don't go ruin it just because you wanted a short cut.

Now those that have something to say, this is the thread for it. Keep it mature please.

[gicantor]

Sounds about right.

[declan]

Is it possible to gain just by injecting grams of AAS and not follow a solid diet/exercise plan? In my opinion AAS shouldn't be looked at as a short cut since it is not, there are people who take in massive amounts of test and workout consistently and they can only gain 5-10lbs of lean muscle on their first years of cycling. So for my fellow beginners who view AAS as an easy way out, I'm sorry to burst your bubbles you will only screw up your health instead of magically gaining 20lbs of muscle per cycle.

I haven't been on this game long enough and only have a couple of cycles under my belt, so this is from a beginner's point of view.

[Rrrrolla]

I feel it that everything has to be ramped up over time. If you dont have the muscle to require a high dose, all you are going to get is more sides, its pointless. In order to get to the point where you need huge doses to grow, you have to eat, train juice and sleep for a long long time. I'm not all that big, a lean 230 at 5'8", and I no longer need anti-e's on anything less than 1500mg of test a week. But when I first started out, I had major issues with bitch tits on just 500mg/week. It has taken me 7 years of growing with streoids to get to this point though. If some young guy tried to do what I do, he would pack on some muscle, but the sides would be crippling, and he wouldnt grow any faster than if he took 500mg/wk anyways. What some dont realize is that its a cumulative thing, my body needs those doses to grow, but a guy with way less muscle certainly doesnt.

[Ritch]

180 lbs at an average height is being very, very generous to consider someone being ready to juice MP!

[JacktheThriller]

i can't actually believe that some people on this site r on steriods, people need to change there program into something that actually works best, not just works, trial and error till you find your zone for training, after you spend some serious years in that zone building muscle and making weekly gains, i dont know how u can justify going for juice, if i were to use any steriod i would use one to help me get cut, getting big just takes time

[Talo]

Nice thread.

I'm 31 , almost 240 lbs , 6'1" and I started weight training at 14-15 prob 160lbs . Now, I didn't started training it serious until about 5 years ago and that includes diet . also I didn't start lifting heavy (powerlifting) until about 2 years ago. With all this I still see myself gaining strength and even weight.

I've never been against doing AAS , but I've always said once I don't see anymore gains is when I will start. Still haven't touched it , yet. Maybe I won't and maybe I will ( prob will later in life to maintain when my natural levels are low).

I've seen many people repeat this saying " it's not a race it's it's a marathon" just have some patience. You will grow if you eat and train for it.

[BIGABOY]

I was 23 and been lifting since i was 16 , when i started i was 225lbs, i finsished at 230 but leaned out and filled out in my shoulders and back alot, and alot of help with my diet and training which made a big differenace from IW, I did 14 weeks of test I ramped it up from 350mg a week to 500 a week then i tapered I am already planning my next one after i sell my condo and move closer to work, then it will be balls to the walls to lean out. my next one is test and eq

BIGA

[Rrrrolla]

i can't actually believe that some people on this site r on steriods, people need to change there program into something that actually works best, not just works, trial and error till you find your zone for training, after you spend some serious years in that zone building muscle and making weekly gains, i dont know how u can justify going for juice, if i were to use any steriod i would use one to help me get cut, getting big just takes time

We dont use steroids to get cut bro. We use products like winny, tren, masteron, and even test or whatever, while we diet to hold muscle while the diet and stimulants take off the fat. If you dont care how much muscle you have, just get some stims (clen, or whatever is legal) and diet just like we do. Now some of the steroids out there make us more vascular and dry and some make us more watery and bigger looking, but they all really do the same thing, they help us grow (or not shrink I guess during diet phases).

[#8]

never run more than 2 compounds at a time (at relatively low doses), but i do it to lean out and not waste away. didnt touch anything till i was almost 22.

[#8]

We dont use steroids to get cut bro. We use products like winny, tren, masteron, and even test or whatever, while we diet to hold muscle while the diet and stimulants take off the fat. If you dont care how much muscle you have, just get some stims (clen, or whatever is legal) and diet just like we do. Now some of the steroids out there make us more vascular and dry and some make us more watery and bigger looking, but they all really do the same thing, they help us grow (or not shrink I guess during diet phases).

i think what he meant was that some of the people on here dont LOOK like they are on sauce even though they are. not the fact that they are actually doing it.

no worries.

[JacktheThriller]

^^

exactly

I dont think see the wow factor in a lot of guys that should be present with the amount of money they are spending

I think they don't know how to train. 5 month transformation shows like a leaner arm and a 20pd gain in compound lift WTF

[JacktheThriller]

These best cutting steroids are generally derived from dihydrotestosterone. A DHT-derived steroid does not convert to estrogen, or the female hormone that is known to cause fat and water retention on steroid users. Because of this characteristic, the best cutting steroids are popular with athletes who compete in weight classes since they can gain lean yet powerful build with minimal weight gain.

When you’re bulking, you gain both muscle and fat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat) because of your high-calorie diet. After bulking, you want to get rid of that body fat and keep the lean mass and this is the purpose of the best cutting steroids. Ideally, a bodybuilder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodybuilder) should get 7lbs of muscle for every 10lbs of weight he gains – the three pounds is the undesirable body fat. That three pounds can be shed off with the help of the best cutting steroids.

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but my point was diet without loss

[O-Train]

I find it really irritating when people start talking about their gains slowing or plateauing. The people who talk about this stuff don't know anything about genetic potential and certainly havn't come anywhere close. So not making gains is probbaly never a reason for taking steroids. When guys turn to AAS instead of fixing problems with diet, training, rest/recovery etc...it acts like a crutch. There are too many guys hobbling around on crutches not having a clue what the **** they're doing.

[JacktheThriller]

good point O-Train its like there are missing a key component be it diet training or rest and they are replacing one of them with roids. so now its training roids rest, or diet roids rest and sometimes just roids and rest for the jokers

[Big J]

Hey i am 6'2", 260 and I plan on juicing in the spring. I plan on doing a very small amount of steroids since I am only 20. My gains are going strong but I want to see how far I can take my body. Just like any bodybuilder.

[JacktheThriller]

Big J what is your LBM, saying ur 260 u could be a fat guy at 6'2 u wouldnt need much lean mass plus fat to get to 260. But its a personal choice, so do ur research! If u r 260 and fairly lean u clearly dont need steriods, unless for performance ei football or whatever.

[tex]

I am nearing 32....6'3" 250 as of tonight....I am on nothing....if I were to use gear Id probably run 500mg/wk of test and thats it.....

[Big J]

I don't know what me lean body mass is. I can still see my upper abs. I am a really lanky guy so I need alot of muscle in places like my legs and back to look filled out.

[Solo59]

It's not going to be this way (too late now), but aside from competitive bodybuilders and powerlifters, I think no one should be using roids unless they really have maxed out with diet, authentic iron workouts, & legal supplements like protein. You're adding to Nature and you don't want to do that if you don't have to.

I never used anything until the years caught up with me and I found I was getting tired way too quickly, lifting much less weight all the time, and taking longer to recover. But by then I was in my late forties, so trying a prohormone like androdiol was a real help. Of course, it wasn't long before I crossed the line & decided to just say "**** aging gracefully", so I ended up doing my first cycle (a poorly planned six-weeker) just after turning 50. Not much to lose at my age, I figured.

Since then I've not looked back and only this year have begun HRT. IMO, it's us more mature gentlemen who really need AAS & GH and I think the ****ing medical community should begin writing prescriptions for them and giving them to us OTC;).

Solo59

[faller]

Agreed solo! Another thing that i've noticed lately and find a bit unsettling is young men, late 20's, early 30's, going on "HRT".... Unless they have been to a doctor and found their test to be below the norm, don't call it HRT... Its called "never wanting to come off"... Big difference.

[ironwill]

I was 23 and been lifting since i was 16 , when i started i was 225lbs, i finsished at 230 but leaned out and filled out in my shoulders and back alot, and alot of help with my diet and training which made a big differenace from IW, I did 14 weeks of test I ramped it up from 350mg a week to 500 a week then i tapered I am already planning my next one after i sell my condo and move closer to work, then it will be balls to the walls to lean out. my next one is test and eq

BIGA
Good stuff....I cant wait to see you next yr bro..
Same story with another fellow ive been helping out from my gym....Younger guy, when he approached me for advices, he was doing close to 2 grams and feeling and looking like crap...I gave him a diet to follow, a trng routine to go along with it...He is 6 foot 7, big tall fellow, he was 220ish when we met, now he is 268 and thick and lean as ****....unreal....On 500 mgs per week test, and then added in some tren at the end at 70 mg eod......A true freakazoid.....He is healthier, looks better, feels better, saving money, and now gets bloodwork done and is being responsible....
2 other fellas are MMa fighters i help out with trng and diet...same story.....

So as a repeat, get your diet down, find out what works etc...Then go exploring on the other side, when you know you can make it to the gym 4 or 5 times a week, and eat right and be dedicated....
Personally at my largest ive not come close to a gram in offseason....and that was six foot, 270.......I just dont get it...But i do enjoy helping guys get better...

[daande]

I was going to do steroids back when I was 16. I had even bought some dbol. However, I decided not to after getting advice from people on another message board. I waited until I was 24 and then did my first cycle. I have been lifting since I was 14 and I am 24 now.

[Andre]

180 lbs at an average height is being very, very generous to consider someone being ready to juice MP!

A solid 180lbs... in other words 180lbs with visible abs...

[natenator]

A solid 180lbs... in other words 180lbs with visible abs...
at 5'8 maybe.

[trainharder]

A solid 180lbs... in other words 180lbs with visible abs...

Exactly...seems there is a tendency to ignore bodyfat levels..

You see some guys bragging about being 6'1 and 230lbs...but once you see the pictures, their bodyfats are 20%+ ....that's not impressive.

[C-money]

at 5'8 maybe.
AKA Garden gnome.. :D Im 5'7" and i was a lean 185 /bulky 210 before i juiced.. glad i waited and got 8ish plus years natty training in before.. learned lots about my body and what works in that time

[ironwill]

AKA Garden gnome.. :D Im 5'7" and i was a lean 185 /bulky 210 before i juiced.. glad i waited and got 8ish plus years natty training in before.. learned lots about my body and what works in that time

And, you can see it now........:beer good work

[Ritch]

at 5'8 maybe.

That`s the range...

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I was going to do steroids back when I was 16. I had even bought some dbol. However, I decided not to after getting advice from people on another message board. I waited until I was 24 and then did my first cycle. I have been lifting since I was 14 and I am 24 now.

Thank goodness for message boards. What happens in gyms is almost pitiful. You have guys in there giving stuff to others telling them take this, and this and that and not having a clue what they are doing themselves. Just to make a quick buck. I know a few guys in my youth that got gyno. It was before message board times and one guy in particular thought he had breast cancer.

[C-money]

Thank goodness for message boards. What happens in gyms is almost pitiful. You have guys in there giving stuff to others telling them take this, and this and that and not having a clue what they are doing themselves. Just to make a quick buck. I know a few guys in my youth that got gyno. It was before message board times and one guy in particular thought he had breast cancer.

Ya it is sad.. my buddys nephew lives in a small city by us.. his nephew got convinced to do the winny only cycle, i think hes like 17, i guess lots of guys from his school are doing it.. lots of the worst advice comes from the local gymrats... in the end its all about making a quick buck

[ironwill]

winnie only rules......:popc

[waderow]

when I was younger winny was considered "the shit"

cutting cycle was winny only. Pretty much all you could ever get from the dealers was test, and winny

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Ya it is sad.. my buddys nephew lives in a small city by us.. his nephew got convinced to do the winny only cycle, i think hes like 17, i guess lots of guys from his school are doing it.. lots of the worst advice comes from the local gymrats... in the end its all about making a quick buck

This is what is causing the heat with steroids. Kids are taking them. And to top it off, most are doing it in a very irresponsible manner.

To the general population, a bodybuilder that competes or a man/women that takes them for aesthetic reasons is already bad. It's already abuse.

For a teen/kid to be taking taking them, infuriates the general population and they want to see people burned at the stake for it (thus the witch hunt). Add pharm companies in the mix, cheating at sports and you have all the justification needed that the general population will not think twice if someone using for bodybuilding or aesthetic reasons will sit in a cell because of it. The government and media has already painted the picture of what steroids are and how evil they are for the masses. Even doctors with phd's that speak for steroids are drowned out by the media machine. They are just anomalies or quacks to the world.

I'm not condoning the use of steroids or saying they are safe, I am just against the demonizing of them by the media to create sensationalism. It's rather sad. Maybe in 100 years from now, they'll look back at this point and say that was the witch hunt of the early 21st century while they sit with a testosterone implant under their skin at 40 feeling as if they were 18 again.

[ironwill]

This is what is causing the heat with steroids. Kids are taking them. And to top it off, most are doing it in a very irresponsible manner.

To the general population, a bodybuilder that competes or a man/women that takes them for aesthetic reasons is already bad. It's already abuse.

For a teen/kid to be taking taking them, infuriates the general population and they want to see people burned at the stake for it (thus the witch hunt). Add pharm companies in the mix, cheating at sports and you have all the justification needed that the general population will not think twice if someone using for bodybuilding or aesthetic reasons will sit in a cell because of it. The government and media has already painted the picture of what steroids are and how evil they are for the masses. Even doctors with phd's that speak for steroids are drowned out by the media machine. They are just anomalies or quacks to the world.

I'm not condoning the use of steroids or saying they are safe, I am just against the demonizing of them by the media to create sensationalism. It's rather sad. Maybe in 100 years from now, they'll look back at this point and say that was the witch hunt of the early 21st century while they sit with a testosterone implant under their skin at 40 feeling as if they were 18 again.

Agreed, kind of like the big hype movie about Maryjane, i believe its called grass....i own the dvd, it is incredible that the views they had a short few decades ago...I believe we will see the same things with AAS...

[GYMBRAT]

I get asked constantly from local punks in the gym and or from my sons friends on where to get "the juice".....when they walk away they are usually disappointed (but educated) on the lecture's I give them on why not to use them and how important it is to stay natty training with an awesome diet/training before even thinking about gear ;)

[declan]

I get asked constantly from local punks in the gym and or from my sons friends on where to get "the juice".....when they walk away they are usually disappointed (but educated) on the lecture's I give them on why not to use them and how important it is to stay natty training with an awesome diet/training before even thinking about gear ;)

Good man, now take them to the gym and make them puke doing squats :D

[GYMBRAT]

t/y, I do when they are not on x-box etc....LOL ....My son loves training (once a yr) haha

[bongd]

I get asked constantly from local punks in the gym and or from my sons friends on where to get "the juice".....when they walk away they are usually disappointed (but educated) on the lecture's I give them on why not to use them and how important it is to stay natty training with an awesome diet/training before even thinking about gear ;)

Rip the label off some creatine monohydrate and tell them that banned in Canada and hard to come by.

Make sure they're taking like 5 tablespoons a day so they get jacked up from all the "weight" they're putting on. You could make a fortune. Just say it's raw anadrol powder or something so if anyone does some epic Google research they'll attribute the water weight to that. :D

[nitrous]

25yo.. 5'5-6.. 182lbs here

[AlladdinSane]

Agreed, kind of like the big hype movie about Maryjane, i believe its called grass....i own the dvd, it is incredible that the views they had a short few decades ago...I believe we will see the same things with AAS...

"REEFER MADNESS!!!"

[gmoney]

i'm 6'1 200lbs. 21yrs old. probably gonna push it as hard as I can for the next two-three years and see where I get. Probably try a cycle when I'm 23-24. I want to compete in bodybuilding eventually.

[MikeyFXD35]

I consider AAS when I was younger but never did anything until this year when the doc put me on HRT and it has been life changing. AAS have a lot of good qualities when used correctly. This is why I never judge anyone are doing them. Its a personal decision that you need to live with. My only regret is I didn't start sooner as I am sure my test level has been low for years. There is enough information out there to make an informed choice.

[rob66679]

Agreed, kind of like the big hype movie about Maryjane, i believe its called grass....i own the dvd, it is incredible that the views they had a short few decades ago...I believe we will see the same things with AAS...

Seen it many times, Woody Harrelson narrates it right? It presents undeniable fact after undeniable fact.
Many similarities between AAS and pot in terms of neither are really damaging if used responsibly. Also similar in that Politicans try to score political points being tough on it when theres no need to.
I think the media is starting to pick up on the fact AAS dangers are being overstated, 60 minutes did a good story and Bigger Stronger Faster didn't hurt.