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JonnyO
02-12-2009, 03:02 PM
I got this email from a friend of mine:

Thought you might be interested in this. I have a paid subscription to consumberlab.com where they test supplements…they send periodic updates on testing they are performing. They sent me this one today on Milk Thistle..there's a lot of crap out there…be careful if you are taking.

I think your best bet is to go with the Trueprotein brand if you use this supplement…

I actually like ALA and Live 52 the best for liver protection. Trueprotein and Puritan.com carry the 300mg ALA. The Liv52 I get is called Livercare and is made by Himalaya. I have seen liver enzymes out of whack with these two. Anyways, just wanted to share…



JM







What CL Found:
Ten milk thistle supplements were selected for testing. Two products, 1Fast400 Milk Thistle and Pure Milk Thistle (Pharmex), failed to meet the FDA labeling requirement of indicating the part of the milk thistle plant used (typically seed) and, consequently, were disqualified from further review. Labeling on 1Fast400 Milk Thistle was also found to be inconsistent from jar to jar from the same lot: a one-quarter teaspoon serving was listed to provide 600 mg of milk thistle extract on one jar but 560 mg on another jar.

Among the remaining eight supplements tested, seven failed to provide the standardized amount of silymarin listed on the respective labels. Each of the following products claimed to provide an extract that was 80% silymarin, but the silymarin content was found to actually be much lower:

* Enzymatic Therapy™ Milk Thistle X — 52% silymarin

* Finest Natural Milk Thistle — 47% silymarin

* Natural Factors Milk Thistle — 67% silymarin

* Nature's Plus Herbal Actives Milk Thistle — 62% silymarin

* Smart Basics Milk Thistle Extract — 52% silymarin

* Whole Foods™ Milk Thistle — 54% silymarin

Nutrilite Milk Thistle And Dandelion was found to contain enough silymarin to meet its claim of an 80% silymarin milk thistle extract. However, it also claimed to contain 76 mg of a “silybin extract complex,” but no additional silybin was found in the product to support this claim.


The only product to be approved for quality was Jarrow Formulas Milk Thistle. This product claimed to provide a milk thistle extract that was 80% flavonoids – the larger family of compounds which includes silymarin. As the amount of silymarin was not specified, ConsumerLab.com held the product to an industry minimum standard of 70% silymarin, and the product met this standard.

RagingRandy
02-12-2009, 03:09 PM
How does this conclude that Trueprotein has a superior product? Did I miss the Trueprotein test results? Or is it just the pretty blue letters that make it special?

natenator
02-12-2009, 03:12 PM
How does this conclude that Trueprotein has a superior product? Did I miss the Trueprotein test results? Or is it just the pretty blue letters that make it special?
Beat me to it.

JonnyO
02-12-2009, 03:17 PM
How does this conclude that Trueprotein has a superior product?

Thats right!

natenator
02-12-2009, 03:20 PM
Thats right!
Having trouble reading?

Looks like someone is a sponsored athlete and is shilling...

RagingRandy
02-12-2009, 03:22 PM
Having trouble reading?

Looks like someone is a sponsored athlete and is shilling...

OK...Now you beat me to it....LOL

JonnyO
02-12-2009, 03:22 PM
Having trouble reading?

Looks like someone is a sponsored athlete and is shilling...

shut up!

waderow
02-12-2009, 04:16 PM
this is getting to be too much

JonnyO
02-12-2009, 04:19 PM
I posted something that may benefit you all if your into buying milk thistle. If you dont like the high lighted trueprotein igonore it. I also use the Himalayan Liv52 its a great product...Oooops there I go again....

kloan
02-12-2009, 04:24 PM
*le sigh*......

Durk
02-12-2009, 04:41 PM
Not to knock your marketing Johnny, but special reports need to be atleast 8 posts long because their importantness cannot be contained in just one post.....

Duh...


hehe <3

CanadianIron
02-12-2009, 04:46 PM
Milk Thistle is for babies, i support my liver with Superdrol.

Krozone
02-12-2009, 04:50 PM
Am I missing something or is this just a Waste of time?


Considering the data you've provided, I understand that "the only product approved for quality was Jarrow Formulas Milk Thistle."



USE Jarrow Formulas Milk Thistle. It's the only one which is good to go apparently.

CanadianIron
02-12-2009, 04:53 PM
Concidering the data, i'd say they all contained a substantial amount of what you're looking for... price is going to reflect content, if you bought cheap shit, just double up the dosage.

MuSuLPhReAk
02-12-2009, 04:54 PM
Moved it to the TP forum.

Ogrew
02-12-2009, 06:35 PM
i love my primaforce ProLiver

JonnyO
02-12-2009, 07:27 PM
Concidering the data, i'd say they all contained a substantial amount of what you're looking for... price is going to reflect content, if you bought cheap shit, just double up the dosage.

Would you do the same with the gear you take or would you rather get what you pay for???

ironwill
02-12-2009, 07:59 PM
I need to get some liver protectant.....Ive actually never used any prior, but think im going to give it a whirl....Does liv-52 etc., help with higher CK values??? from muscle damage, ...My ALT, and AST levels are fine, i asked my doc, he didnt know....MY ck is high....

JonnyO
02-12-2009, 11:05 PM
Im not sure about the CK levels IW, but you def want to get those dropped, but there are also many factors that can elevate these levels prior to getting tested.

CanadianIron
02-12-2009, 11:09 PM
Would you do the same with the gear you take or would you rather get what you pay for???

You have to concider mg/$

If one compound has 200mg/ml and is $5 and the other has 300mg/ml and is $10, you'd buy the first one... same goes for this..

If the walmart brand has 25% less of the active ingredient, but its half the price, its better IMO.

JonnyO
02-12-2009, 11:20 PM
**** that, I want a product that contains what the label claims, and Im sure most people do too.

#8
02-12-2009, 11:48 PM
one of the best products ive found that did WONDERS on my liver (proven with bloodwork at the time) was an herb called Turmeric.

New Chapter makes a liquid cap version that is extremely potent, much moreso than most powder versions. Look into taking TURMERIC if you want some serious liver support / detox.

:)

kloan
03-12-2009, 12:03 AM
turmeric for liver support?? had no idea it was useful for anything other than anti-inflammatory properties... interesting, i'll start taking it again.

PdH
03-12-2009, 03:13 AM
Just do a coffee enema goddammit! :)

http://www.healingdaily.com/liver-detoxification/coffee-enema.htm

JonnyO
03-12-2009, 03:19 AM
Just do a coffee enema goddammit! :)

http://www.healingdaily.com/liver-detoxification/coffee-enema.htm

Could one just use some caffeine pills as a suppository and get the same benefits? Coffee gives me heart burn.

PdH
03-12-2009, 11:52 AM
Could one just use some caffeine pills as a suppository and get the same benefits? Coffee gives me heart burn.

Why not. :)

L3
03-12-2009, 03:19 PM
MY ck is high....

want low CK, stop working out :)

my doc no longer tests for it

ironwill
03-12-2009, 03:43 PM
CK levels are present in brain, skeletal muscle, heart and kidney tissue....
My doc figures my numbers are high due to working out and muscle damage, but they are very high...So im going for an ECG just to be sure heart is good...yay another test....sigh.........Never really worried about it much in the past and liver enzymes were always good, still are , but getn older and time to use a liver support aid, its on the way for my d-bol attack...wooot...;)

Talo
03-12-2009, 05:26 PM
I receives a similar email. The company I was warned about was Bulk Nutrition (1fast400). Actually they have had so many problems that they arnt even looking at them anymore.


Example: They have sent in 2 identical products that were labelled wrong . So if a company can't even get their labelling right how can they be trusted.

jsv22
03-12-2009, 08:22 PM
Could one just use some caffeine pills as a suppository and get the same benefits? Coffee gives me heart burn.

no it's something else in the coffee....

Mr.Meat
04-12-2009, 10:33 PM
**** that, I want a product that contains what the label claims, and Im sure most people do too.

So how does the report you posted prove that Trueprotein Milk Tissle acually meets lable claims?:moon

JonnyO
05-12-2009, 01:38 AM
So how does the report you posted prove that Trueprotein Milk Tissle acually meets lable claims?:moon

buy some get it tested and you'll frigging find out.

Seriously why ask crap like that? I wouldnt stand behind a product that doesnt meet or exceed requirements. Nor would many top guys.

wan2lrn
05-12-2009, 09:10 AM
CK levels are present in brain, skeletal muscle, heart and kidney tissue....
My doc figures my numbers are high due to working out and muscle damage, but they are very high...So im going for an ECG just to be sure heart is good...yay another test....sigh.........Never really worried about it much in the past and liver enzymes were always good, still are , but getn older and time to use a liver support aid, its on the way for my d-bol attack...wooot...;)

My CK levels were 259 which was above normal. Doc told me to do no exercise for 3 days and to come back and have it retested. 104 after the 3 day rest. Our levels will usually be above normal.

ironwill
05-12-2009, 01:20 PM
Try having 665.....lol....thats what mine are at.....Absolutely everything else in my blood tests were perfect, except this little bastard......

Doggcrapp
07-12-2009, 09:50 PM
Here you go.

Another very interesting compound is Tauroursodeoxycholic acid

juced_porkchop
10-12-2009, 05:08 AM
I had bought tp milkthistle , I use it in my smoothy i add 0.5g-1g.
i assume it workes lol. dotn wan to pull out liver and look.

I dont drink (as in 2-3 glasses of wine a week) and am genrally healthy so i should be ok anyway but why not add it in for the extra help :-P