testothate 400 advice

[ride22]

hey, ive searched and found mixed info on this but not exactly straight answers.
What I have is the 200/enanthate-200/decanoate variety and am looking for best possible gains in strength and size considering I have a very hard time putting on weight without a little help. This is my first inject in several years but heard it was good gear. Anyways,
-is it better to do 1/2 ml twice a week or 1ml once a week?(I've heard some guys do 2 smaller doses because of pain)
-Any protection I should be taking?
-PCT?

I appreciate any help guys.

[nisser]

You should definitely be wearing a condom; you never know what could happen and protection is best.

[PdH]

2x a week minimum. EOD is better for stable blood levels but you're on a pretty low dose so that might not be practical. You should try heating your gear to help with pain but I would imagine that concentration is going to hurt like a bitch either way. PCT of nolva or clomid 2 weeks after your last shot. :)

[ride22]

lol

[bongd]

Not a fan of high dosed shit. Sure you'll save a couple dollars at the end of the month, but you could use something that's not as painful and just pay whatever pocket change it happens to be.

[ride22]

PdH, thanks for the reply and sorry but

-heat the loaded pin in warm water?
-I have some nolva but how much/how long ?

Also, I have winni tabs I am saving for a cut cycle and was wondering how long to wait after the bulk cycle.

[gicantor]

PdH, thanks for the reply and sorry but

-heat the loaded pin in warm water?
-I have some nolva but how much/how long ?

Also, I have winni tabs I am saving for a cut cycle and was wondering how long to wait after the bulk cycle.

Heat the pin to thin out the oil makes for smoother injection.

Nolva 40/40/20/20

You should have AI's on hand and extra nolva.

[PdH]

PdH, thanks for the reply and sorry but
-heat the loaded pin in warm water?
-I have some nolva but how much/how long ?
Also, I have winni tabs I am saving for a cut cycle and was wondering how long to wait after the bulk cycle.

You can either place the vial in some hot water for awhile or run the loaded syringe under warm water. If you choose the latter you should change the sharp before you inject.

Run the Nolva for 5 weeks at the following daily dosages 40\20\20\20\10. Some will have different views on dosage and timeframes, I'm providing a protocol that works well for me with minimal sides.

If you're going to run a cutting cycle you should wait at least 4 months after your last cycle to allow your body to create a new set point for your increased weight. IMO winny is not particularly good for simply cutting. It's a finishing drug used for hardening before a show. It will make your joints sore and make you susceptible to injury. Also, I hope you're not thinking of running an oral only cycle as they are not productive. If I was cutting I'd be using Test-e and EQ or Deca, and maybe some Var. Cutting is all about diet and proper cardio. Gear helps you to retain muscle while dieting and hardens you.

I don't know how much experience you have but you should consider doing some more research before you jump on again. A little knowledge goes a long way, particularly with your health. :)

[GYMBRAT]

x2, read ,read and read some more just to be safe ;)

[ride22]

Thanks , that is all great info. Research is why i'm here :)

Diet and cardio is right!!Was just thinking winny because i happen to have some lying around but maybe i'll just end up scrapping it and going with some eq . Ive done tabs before (dbol) and agree with orals being non productive, not to mention toxic.

I am not a hardcore body builder but just want to get over a hump and see some gains at the gym again.

[GYMBRAT]

no need for gear if thats your goal, to be honest. Just good food and strict training is basically all your gonna need to get over that hump...trust me, we all started out ah natural :)

[pseclint]

gear is a compliment to a great diet and workout regime..... its not a miracle drug, research everything first then gear

[ride22]

Absolutely. I've been around so I know what your saying, Just away from the "program" for over a decade and catching up on new gear and techniques.

Thanks guys :)

[bongd]

Heat the oil, acquire 1 eye of newt, 500g of dragon's toenails, 13 wizards pubics and recite 10 Hail Mary's.. Jesus, you guys!! lol

What's the deal with all these unnecessary steps to inject your gear? If you can't pin it, don't pin it. Cut it with another oil if it's too painful or unload it on a friend who's more tolerant. I know some guys that are a little sensitive to certain oils and solvents but damn. Never heard of such complicated steps for injecting until I came onto this forum.

I'm scared for you guys. What are you injecting into your body?? I sincerely hope you guys are careful. :(

[GYMBRAT]

x2, 18g x 1" for all injects here! raaaawwww NAH J/K ya'll

[ride22]

Heat the oil, acquire 1 eye of newt, 500g of dragon's toenails, 13 wizards pubics and recite 10 Hail Mary's.. Jesus, you guys!! lol

What's the deal with all these unnecessary steps to inject your gear? If you can't pin it, don't pin it. Cut it with another oil if it's too painful or unload it on a friend who's more tolerant. I know some guys that are a little sensitive to certain oils and solvents but damn. Never heard of such complicated steps for injecting until I came onto this forum.

I'm scared for you guys. What are you injecting into your body?? I sincerely hope you guys are careful. :(

I hear what your'e saying bongd but i'm not complaining about pins or pain because pain don't hurt. Just getting advice on frequency/dosage for best results. I mentioned the pain thing because it always seems to come up in the threads I searched previously but i'm not going to cry about it on here if it happens.

Your comment is definitely food for thought though, thanks :)

[PdH]

Heat the oil, acquire 1 eye of newt, 500g of dragon's toenails, 13 wizards pubics and recite 10 Hail Mary's.. Jesus, you guys!! lol

What's the deal with all these unnecessary steps to inject your gear? If you can't pin it, don't pin it. Cut it with another oil if it's too painful or unload it on a friend who's more tolerant. I know some guys that are a little sensitive to certain oils and solvents but damn. Never heard of such complicated steps for injecting until I came onto this forum.

I'm scared for you guys. What are you injecting into your body?? I sincerely hope you guys are careful. :(

You don't heat your gear? Fine. You don't change your sharps? Fine. I'm thinking maybe you're the one that needs to be careful.

[z83]

T400...pain !

[bongd]

You don't heat your gear? Fine. You don't change your sharps? Fine. I'm thinking maybe you're the one that needs to be careful.

I change my needle after drawing; that's solely for comfort and to avoid the build up of scar tissue. How many doctors change pins when they give you an injection though? It's not mandatory and some would even argue that handling the pin exposes you to greater risk.

The more you handle and play around with your shit though, the more you're exposing yourself to risk. Sterilize yourself and your ancillaries, draw, switch pins and bang back your gear. After that, store your shit somewhere clean, safe and isolated. It's as simple as that.

No need to pull the intestines out of a sheep's stomach and sacrifice a virgin to appease the Gods every time you pin, that's all I'm saying.

[Praetorian]

Not a fan of high dosed shit. Sure you'll save a couple dollars at the end of the month, but you could use something that's not as painful and just pay whatever pocket change it happens to be.

Ditto...have you ever seen real pharm test at 400mg/ml....never.
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[Praetorian]

I change my needle after drawing; that's solely for comfort and to avoid the build up of scar tissue. How many doctors change pins when they give you an injection though? It's not mandatory and some would even argue that handling the pin exposes you to greater risk.

The more you handle and play around with your shit though, the more you're exposing yourself to risk. Sterilize yourself and your ancillaries, draw, switch pins and bang back your gear. After that, store your shit somewhere clean, safe and isolated. It's as simple as that.

No need to pull the intestines out of a sheep's stomach and sacrifice a virgin to appease the Gods every time you pin, that's all I'm saying.

True...in 15 years ive never heated my gear...if that is necessary than I would look for an alternate source.
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[Ritch]

True...in 15 years ive never heated my gear...if that is necessary than I would look for an alternate source.
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I`m just curious why if heating the gear is needed, it`s a bad sign. I couldn`t even draw the gear out of the vials I had and this was from 2 different "companies." So heating was absolutely necessary. They were all dosed high, the lowest was 300mg per cc equipoise, the other was high potency 400mg per cc test blend.

[Praetorian]

I`m just curious why if heating the gear is needed, it`s a bad sign. I couldn`t even draw the gear out of the vials I had and this was from 2 different "companies." So heating was absolutely necessary. They were all dosed high, the lowest was 300mg per cc equipoise, the other was high potency 400mg per cc test blend.

Use an 18g to withdraw...easy.
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[Ritch]

Use an 18g to withdraw...easy.
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O.k. I for some reason, thought you were hinting about if an oil needs to be heated, there`s something wrong with the product. So that`s not the case, good to know. But I find heating makes for a smoother injection with less trouble pressing down, being better for someone like me who`s not that good at injecting... But for sure,18 gauge makes for an easy draw... Thanks p!

[Rrrrolla]

I dont know about all this high dose stuff. I know that anything near 400mg/ml has an aweful lot of powder, a bunch of bb and ba, and not much oil at all! But 200mg/ml has about 3 times as much actual oil in the product. I tried high dose stuff once, didnt work very well. It was so painful it was just silly, I couldnt even walk for a week. And that was just test e (which is dam near liquid at room temp), if it was going to be a mix of test e and cyp, oh my god, I can just imagine! High dose stuff crashes way too easy inside the muscle, I always stick with the lowest dosed stuff I can find. Pretty much all of the long ester steroids are not going to need to be heated if they are 250mg/ml or less.

[Ritch]

^^^ I really had no pain at all from injecting t-400 or equi 300. I`d heat the oil and really took my time injecting. I`d push a little bit on the plunger, wait 10 seconds, and repeat that like 6 times. After the shot, I`d massage the area well and the only pain I ever felt was from the first 2-3 weeks which is kind of normal I hear when you start pinning...

[Rrrrolla]

^^^ I really had no pain at all from injecting t-400 or equi 300. I`d heat the oil and really took my time injecting. I`d push a little bit on the plunger, wait 10 seconds, and repeat that like 6 times. After the shot, I`d massage the area well and the only pain I ever felt was from the first 2-3 weeks which is kind of normal I hear when you start pinning...

In your case, I would question the validity of the 400mg/ml claim. I think some labs use some kinda pain killer additave, so that might have helped in your case. As was said beofre, there is a good reason why no pharmacy sells test or deca over 250mg/ml.

[Ritch]

In your case, I would question the validity of the 400mg/ml claim. I think some labs use some kinda pain killer additave, so that might have helped in your case. As was said beofre, there is a good reason why no pharmacy sells test or deca over 250mg/ml.

Making 400mg test is a possibility as any homebrewer will tell you... Why pharmacy`s don`t make it, I have no clue.

[Rrrrolla]

Making 400mg test is a possibility as any homebrewer will tell you... Why pharmacy`s don`t make it, I have no clue.

Being a homebrewer I can tell you that there is NOT enough oil in the mix. You COULD make it as high as 900mg/ml, and once you add your ba and bb, there will be NO room left for oil. This would work for deca, teste and of course eq. Personally, I have found that anything less than 60% oil starts to hurt really bad. I dont see the point of making your gear so rich that you have to add your own oil to the shot. I think labs should just make their stuff low dosed so the average guy doesnt have to be in so much pain.

[Ritch]

Being a homebrewer I can tell you that there is NOT enough oil in the mix. You COULD make it as high as 900mg/ml, and once you add your ba and bb, there will be NO room left for oil. This would work for deca, teste and of course eq. Personally, I have found that anything less than 60% oil starts to hurt really bad. I dont see the point of making your gear so rich that you have to add your own oil to the shot. I think labs should just make their stuff low dosed so the average guy doesnt have to be in so much pain.

If I`m not mistaken somebody here did make some t-500!!! Another source makes it at 450mg per cc and gets good reviews. I don`t know what to say as I`m only saying what I read. I just find it odd reading what you`ve said now after the high potency products have been out for so long. Why was this never said before if it`s true? Can anyone clearify this?

[Redz]

I have used painful high concentration gear and painless ones, there is more to it then simply the amount of oil and power.

[Mr Ontario]

Taken out of context....nothing wrong with heating for the purpose to help it dissipate quicker in the muscle to help avoid possible lumps especially if your injecting allot. :)


I`m just curious why if heating the gear is needed, it`s a bad sign. I couldn`t even draw the gear out of the vials I had and this was from 2 different "companies." So heating was absolutely necessary. They were all dosed high, the lowest was 300mg per cc equipoise, the other was high potency 400mg per cc test blend.

[Rrrrolla]

I have used painful high concentration gear and painless ones, there is more to it then simply the amount of oil and power.

So have I. I remember my second or third cycle was Black Label (one of the frist underground labs from the states), and it was only mildly painful, but there was no way it was 750mg/ml! I thought when I bought it that I was getting a btter deal cause they put more stuff in it. Stupid me!

Most powders in their melted states equate to approximately 1gram measuring 1ml. So if your product is around 500mg/ml, that must mean that there is .5ml of pure powder in every ml of oil. Now I dont use EO, so I dont know the in's and out's of how that might work to make it thinner and less painful, maybe thats what they are doing, I really dont know. I keep my receipes very simple.

Take it for what its worth, its my experience telling me that if its high dosed and doesnt hurt like motherfuker, its probably not that high dosed. All I'm saying is if you have gear you need to heat up cause its high dosed, why not buy the lower dosed stuff for less money and know you are avoiding those kinda problems.

[Memo]

something like Equitest 450 "250testE and 200 EQ", if its not painfull and no soreness, should i be worried about the real potency of my product?

[Rrrrolla]

something like Equitest 450 "250testE and 200 EQ", if its not painfull and no soreness, should i be worried about the real potency of my product?


As long as it works the way it should, who cares, but the lab must know something I dont (and that wouldnt take much!) about suspending a large amount of gear in a small amount of oil. Cudos to them.

[Memo]

maybe they hire chemist