4 cops ambushed at donut shop

[BAM]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34194122/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[Gilmour]

Here we go........

[waderow]

it would seem without knowing the circumstances that it is senseless bullshit violence by some useless members of society who will hopefully get whats coming to them in a hail of bullets.

but, there are bad cops, who do corrupt things that could warrants a hit of this nature...

any way you look at it, there are a lot of sad people today

[cog]

it would seem without knowing the circumstances that it is senseless bullshit violence by some useless members of society who will hopefully get whats coming to them in a hail of bullets.

but, there are bad cops, who do corrupt things that could warrants a hit of this nature...

any way you look at it, there are a lot of sad people today

My bet is random convenience.

[marino]

I know alot of people on this board have mixed feelings towards law enforcement but even with that in mind, this was a disgusting act ruining four family's

[champcar99]

It's terrible, I can't say I feel sorry for the cops...I have no respect for them at all...

[tex]

It's terrible, I can't say I feel sorry for the cops...I have no respect for them at all...
why is that?

[trainharder]

To be precise (and just in case the subject is meant to target a certain stereotype), the officers were NOT murdered in a donut shop.

http://www.forzacoffeecompany.com/

RIP.

[BAM]

ah.. the stigma of the donut shop

[trainharder]

So where were they MURDERED then?

In a coffee shop.

That coffee shop doesn't even serve donuts:

"We are a specialty coffee company serving espresso drinks, specialty coffee beverages, teas, soft drinks, smoothies, fresh pastries, sandwiches, salads and whole bean coffee."

[BAM]

In a coffee shop.

That coffee shop doesn't even serve donuts:

"We are a specialty coffee company serving espresso drinks, specialty coffee beverages, teas, soft drinks, smoothies, fresh pastries, sandwiches, salads and whole bean coffee."


ah.. the stigma of the donut shop

Yes, I realized what you meant thus the edit.. but, on a side note.. your speedquoting skills are second to none.

[trainharder]

Yes, I realized what you meant thus the edit.. but, on a side note.. your speedquoting skills are second to none.

Slow night, what can I say :D

[champcar99]

why is that?

I hate ****ing pigs...

[BAM]

I hope it becomes a new trend.

[Gilmour]

As an ex cop I can say that some of the best and worst people I have ever known wore the same uniform as I did. The good far outweigh the bad. Not an easy job. Some I'd like to kill fopr personal reasons, not because of what they do. I still party with one or two of them. Great guys and gals.

[CanadianIron]

I hope it becomes a new trend.

Are you kidding?

...This was a pretty sick incident, I hope WA still has the death penalty, because they should use it in this situation when they find the guy.

[marino]

I hate ****ing pigs...


I hope it becomes a new trend.

like with any job out there judge the person not the uniform. I guess this means you guys were cheering 9/11 when all the emergency personel (police) were killed responding to the towers

[CanadianIron]

Who cares about the people... NO ONE deserves to be gunned down like this ever.. I cant imagine anything these cops could have ever done to have deserved that... im gonna go on a limb here and guess they did nothing and were targetted for their uniforms.

[marino]

I agree with you CI they were targeted for their uniforms for sure. I find it surprising the level of ignorance I see on this board some times in regards to the value of human life

[Gilmour]

I agree with you CI they were targeted for their uniforms for sure. I find it surprising the level of ignorance I see on this board some times in regards to the value of human life


Internet personas. Cops are the same dirty pigs who people call whenever they can't sort something out themselves.

[tex]

Internet personas. Cops are the same dirty pigs who people call whenever they can't sort something out themselves.
exactly. everyone's a bad ass on the internet.....

[Gilmour]

exactly. everyone's a bad ass on the internet.....


And I have learned that in the presence of LE very few actually are. Talk is cheap. At any rate, RIP to these cops and my thoughts are with their families.

[BAM]

Maybe cops will stop abusing their power now and stop victimizing people.


..since they are fighting back now

[champcar99]

Maybe cops will stop abusing their power now and stop victimizing people.


..since they are fighting back now

Bam hit it on the head...I have been a victim of there bullshit and lies too many ****ing times...I am not saying i am a perfect citizen i am by far not.
But the police as of in the last few years are getting carried away with the bullshit they do..

you can push the people around for so long and somethings going to give..

[BAM]

And I have learned that in the presence of LE very few actually are. Talk is cheap. At any rate, RIP to these cops and my thoughts are with their families.

You mean when they have me outnumbered and are armed and I am not?
..or when they are off duty and by themself? ;)

[waderow]

Internet personas. Cops are the same dirty pigs who people call whenever they can't sort something out themselves.

this is the truth. the ones who enjoy this sort of thing are either criminals and were too dumb to not get caught, or are just talking big, becase when it comes to it, and they need help, they're dialling 911

[waderow]

You mean when they have me outnumbered and are armed and I am not?
..or when they are off duty and by themself? ;)

this theory might surprise you one day bam, and you will get your ass handed to you by a guy 50 pounds lighter.

you want to be a bully and intimidate smaller men, you will see how karma works. I will bet my life that you didnt approach an off duty cop who was bigger then you, or even your size. I call guys like that PUSSIES.

[natenator]

this theory might surprise you one day bam, and you will get your ass handed to you by a guy 50 pounds lighter.

you want to be a bully and intimidate smaller men, you will see how karma works. I will bet my life that you didnt approach an off duty cop who was bigger then you, or even your size. I call guys like that PUSSIES.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to waderow again.

[Chunk]

i see how this works...murder is okay because some cops abuse their power. there is a lesson to be learned here that people shouldn't bully because someday they might get shot by a lowlife? awesome thought process! character is a hell of a thing. where is the negative rep?!

i got hassled by the man, so maybe a murder will help me not get hassled next time...do you not realize how ****ing stupid and inhumane that is?!

[RagingRandy]

My issue is the immediate outcry for the death penalty, especially from the cops, when a cop gets killed, as if their life is worth more than any other.

Do I have an issue with cops.....yep
Do I think most are arrogant bastards.....yep
Do I think they should be murdered......nope

[natenator]

My issue is the immediate outcry for the death penalty, especially from the cops, when a cop gets killed, as if their life is worth more than any other.

Do I have an issue with cops.....yep
Do I think most are arrogant bastards.....yep
Do I think they should be murdered......nope
the reason for the death penalty is to try and deter cop killing. It's the same reason people who kill politicians, judges, etc receive the death penalty.

[dremen]

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3039/mauriceclemmonsjpg92993.jpg

^ Dude that shot the 4 cops.


http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8094/elvintribideauxnow.jpg

^ Dude from The Cosby Show.


??????????????????????;)

[RagingRandy]

the reason for the death penalty is to try and deter cop killing. It's the same reason people who kill politicians, judges, etc receive the death penalty.

I have no issue with the death penalty. I agree with it. I just think that it should be applied universally. I do not believe your job makes your life of any greater value.

[natenator]

I have no issue with the death penalty. I agree with it. I just think that it should be applied universally. I do not believe your job makes your life of any greater value.
the job no, but people tend to have a hate on for the people I just mentioned therefore are a more likely target of people wishing them harm than joe citizen

[Timbo89]

fresh pastries could include donuts.

[Timbo89]

just trying to brighten the mood. lol.

[CanadianIron]

My issue is the immediate outcry for the death penalty, especially from the cops, when a cop gets killed, as if their life is worth more than any other.

Do I have an issue with cops.....yep
Do I think most are arrogant bastards.....yep
Do I think they should be murdered......nope

It isnt because they were cops, its because they were targetted and "slaughtered" for what they are...

Imagine 4 gay men, 4 black people, 4 feminists etc... Cops get categorized and segregated worse than almost any minority out there today, people hate them and are almost permitted to hate them for what they do. I dont see the correlation between 1 cop being an asshole and these guys all being assumed ass holes. I have a cousin who is RCMP for 4 years and he hasnt given out a single speeding ticket, not all cops are power trippers.

I dont see how you guys think that because they wear uniforms they should be "nice" all the time, they just do their job. The job WE pay them to do. If you want to kill people because you got nailed for breaking the law, murder the politicians who put the laws in place. Better yet, murder innocent men and women who voted them into power. Better yet, kill yourself.

[Gilmour]

You mean when they have me outnumbered and are armed and I am not?
..or when they are off duty and by themself? ;)


On duty by themselves or off duty. Either one. No asshole evr challenged me until I was off duty and I beat the shit out of him when he tried suckering me. He sure was tough when he knew I couldn't do shit to him on camera.

[Gilmour]

Maybe cops will stop abusing their power now and stop victimizing people.


..since they are fighting back now


LOL. You think some random killing by some guy is fighting back? You play too many video games , as evidenced by your tough guy avatar.

[PdH]

I have a cousin who is RCMP for 4 years and he hasnt given out a single speeding ticket, not all cops are power trippers.


Then he's obviously not a traffic cop, or if he is he's the worst one ever. Personally I would think traffic act offenses to be the least of our worries when it comes to power-tripping cops.

[PdH]

LOL. You think some random killing by some guy is fighting back? You play too many video games , as evidenced by your tough guy avatar.

Or maybe he's been victimized by some of those mandated to protect the citizenry and uphold the Charter.

[Gilmour]

Then he's obviously not a traffic cop, or if he is he's the worst one ever. Personally I would think traffic act offenses to be the least of our worries when it comes to power-tripping cops.
Wrong. I wasn't a traffic cop and I gave out tickets. Has nothing to do with power tripping either. I see a dude doing 60 in a school zone and he's getting a ticket. Anywhere else he got a warning. I waited until someone was doing minimum 35km over a posted limit before I gave out a ticket and it was always knocked down as far as I could, no points deducted. Rookie cops don't have a quota but since they can't have their superiors riding around in the car with them to evaluate them they have to fullfil a quota of sorts. Prove they aren't just riding around. Vets don't have to do shit, which is what this guy might have been. Either that or he was stuck behind a desk.

[Gilmour]

Or maybe he's been victimized by some of those mandated to protect the citizenry and uphold the Charter.
I had a 8 year civil suit against dirty cops. I have been victimized by dirty cops probably more so than anyone here but I don't wish death upon anyone of them, especially 4 sitting have coffee. Cowardly act if there ever was one. Most cops are good people out to get a pay cheque with job security. That's all that was in it for me, besides liking people and not having the same day twice. There are shitty cops, doctors, teachers, lawyers, mechanics, carpenters etc. Most I met were good people. Very few were douchebags but unfortunately they ruin it for all.
As a sidenote, I and my roomates had our house continously robbed by black men years ago. Should I wish death upon all blacks? Did they represent all blacks? I still went to Jamaica for vacation:)

[PdH]

I had a 8 year civil suit against dirty cops. I have been victimized by dirty cops probably more so than anyone here but I don't wish death upon anyone of them, especially 4 sitting have coffee. Cowardly act if there ever was one. Most cops are good people out to get a pay cheque with job security. That's all that was in it for me, besides liking people and not having the same day twice. There are shitty cops, doctors, teachers, lawyers, mechanics, carpenters etc. Most I met were good people. Very few were douchebags but unfortunately they ruin it for all.
As a sidenote, I and my roomates had our house continously robbed by black men years ago. Should I wish death upon all blacks? Did they represent all blacks? I still went to Jamaica for vacation:)

I'm not suggesting they should be killed. My point is that the bad cops provide a target for all, and your little 'brotherhood' as well as police unions, which have far too much control, protect the bad at any cost. As for you 'seeing' someone doing 60 in a school zone and issuing a ticket for it, we both know better than that don't we.

[Gilmour]

I'm not suggesting they should be killed. My point is that the bad cops provide a target for all, and your little 'brotherhood' as well as police unions, which have far too much control, protect the bad at any cost. As for you 'seeing' someone doing 60 in a school zone and issuing a ticket for it, we both know better than that don't we.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I never pulled anyone over without radar and my rule was to ask if they wanted to see the radar. No way to argue against it that way. If I didn't have my radar on it was a warning. That's how I did things. But you seem to know different. Funny I didn't see anyone sitting next to me.
LOL. I sued my union. Strong my ass.

[Gilmour]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/03/03/rcmpalert050303.html

These 4 pigs sure deserved what they got. They should have left that poor convicted pedophile alone to molest more 10 year olds. Fight the power.

[PdH]

I have no idea what you are talking about. I never pulled anyone over without radar and my rule was to ask if they wanted to see the radar. No way to argue against it that way. If I didn't have my radar on it was a warning. That's how I did things. But you seem to know different. Funny I didn't see anyone sitting next to me.
LOL. I sued my union. Strong my ass.

That's exactly my point. If you've got your radar on you're acting as a traffic cop. Not all cops act as traffic cops do they? As for your warning, it's simply a formality, that may or may not be justified. You don't know exactly how fast they were going, you presume they're speeding, yet you pull them over anyway to assert your authority with your 'warning'. You don't have the evidence to do so, yet you detain people and that's what pisses people off. On top of it all, you've always got the public safety bullshit argument to justify any detainment, legal or illegal.

[BAM]

this theory might surprise you one day bam, and you will get your ass handed to you by a guy 50 pounds lighter.

you want to be a bully and intimidate smaller men, you will see how karma works. I will bet my life that you didnt approach an off duty cop who was bigger then you, or even your size. I call guys like that PUSSIES.

You would be wrong. None of the ones I'd love to pound the shit out of are smaller than I. Not worried about it at all. I handle myself quite well in combat. Lots of practice.

2ndly.. I only approach the ones that wronged me or someone close to me. And trust me, they are very nervous when I do.
I don't bother assaulting them, I'd just end up in their world.. i choose to ride the line of the law and intimidate them as much as possible, whether that includes embarassing them in public opr whatever. They are shit to me.

3rdly my avatar is not a tough guy avatar. Guns do not make you tough, they are mostly for cowards (cops etc). My avatar only represents how I feel about cops.


On duty by themselves or off duty. Either one. No asshole evr challenged me until I was off duty and I beat the shit out of him when he tried suckering me. He sure was tough when he knew I couldn't do shit to him on camera.

I welcome the opportunity. I choked the **** out of one before and it felt good. You were probably one of the jackoff cops I'm speaking about since you no longer are employed in that area. You probably got fired for being a ****up or perhaps your penis was too large to be in law enforcement so they had to let you go.

[BAM]

Or maybe he's been victimized by some of those mandated to protect the citizenry and uphold the Charter.

Exactly!

[Gilmour]

That's exactly my point. If you've got your radar on you're acting as a traffic cop. Not all cops act as traffic cops do they? As for your warning, it's simply a formality, that may or may not be justified. You don't know exactly how fast they were going, you presume they're speeding, yet you pull them over anyway to assert your authority with your 'warning'. You don't have the evidence to do so, yet you detain people and that's what pisses people off. On top of it all, you've always got the public safety bullshit argument to justify any detainment, legal or illegal.
So I should just not warn the guy and the next time a dickhead cop will write him up for every penny? I ALWAYS told anyone I pulled over that the next guy might not be so nice and I was usually right about that cuz my partner was a dickhead. And no, if my radar was on, which it was supposed to be at all time when you had it in your cruiser, I was not acting as a traffic cop. We had one of those per shift who did nothing but. If I got a call and it was sexualy assault I had to take it as my own investigation. That did not make me a sexual assault investigator, it was part of my everyday duties, as was making traffic stops. What makes you think you know ANYTHING about how a cop is deployed or what he/she is required to do on a daily basis? I investigated every tyoe of call you can imagine. Suicides, car wrecks, sexual assaults, even a murder. And I wrote a few tickets that I wish I didn't have to. I was paid to do all those things and I never once did something I regretted or felt ashamed about. I was ashamed to work with some people, the people who were kicked around on the playground and were getting back at the wrold. Those folks do exist but in my judgement, and I have been on both sides of the argument with my law suit, most cops are not this way. I think I am smart enough and objective enough to know the difference. My experiences leave me with the notion that cops should not be trusted, but not hated either. Hate the individual, not the uniform.

[Gilmour]

Exactly!
Do tell. It's an anymous board and so far you are that.

[Gilmour]

You would be wrong. None of the ones I'd love to pound the shit out of are smaller than I. Not worried about it at all. I handle myself quite well in combat. Lots of practice.

2ndly.. I only approach the ones that wronged me or someone close to me. And trust me, they are very nervous when I do.
I don't bother assaulting them, I'd just end up in their world.. i choose to ride the line of the law and intimidate them as much as possible, whether that includes embarassing them in public opr whatever. They are shit to me.

3rdly my avatar is not a tough guy avatar. Guns do not make you tough, they are mostly for cowards (cops etc). My avatar only represents how I feel about cops.



I welcome the opportunity. I choked the **** out of one before and it felt good. You were probably one of the jackoff cops I'm speaking about since you no longer are employed in that area. You probably got fired for being a ****up or perhaps your penis was too large to be in law enforcement so they had to let you go.


LOL. You've been going on about this choking incident for years now. Please, more info is needed. And yes, my penis was far too large for LE and i have a better paying gig now anyway. I wasn't enough of a jackoff to be employed by the bigger jackoffs but I won the suit and got well paid for it.

BTW- still working out at the YMCA here? When are you gonna be man enough to introduce yourself? You have stated at CJM that you know who I am yet you have never wanted to say hello for some reason.

[PdH]

So I should just not warn the guy and the next time a dickhead cop will write him up for every penny? I ALWAYS told anyone I pulled over that the next guy might not be so nice and I was usually right about that cuz my partner was a dickhead.

You're attempting to evade the issue at hand. You stated if you didn't have your radar on you would issue a warning. The point is if you didn't have your radar on or were not able to gauge their speed with the speed of your own vehicle, you have no evidence with which to issue a ticket, yet you detain the individual anyway in order to assert your authority. Do you see a problem with that?

[natenator]

You're attempting to evade the issue at hand. You stated if you didn't have your radar on you would issue a warning. The point is if you didn't have your radar on or were not able to gauge their speed with the speed of your own vehicle, you have no evidence with which to issue a ticket, yet you detain the individual anyway in order to assert your authority. Do you see a problem with that?
Most ppl will not ask to see the radar gun output. And most ppl know when they have been speeding especially when you are on city streets or in a school zone. I have no problem with a cop pulling me over to tell me to be careful with my speed. None what so ever.

Pretty sure most would be very appreciative of having not been given a ticket even though they don't know the gun wasn't actually on.

[trainharder]

You're attempting to evade the issue at hand. You stated if you didn't have your radar on you would issue a warning. The point is if you didn't have your radar on or were not able to gauge their speed with the speed of your own vehicle, you have no evidence with which to issue a ticket, yet you detain the individual anyway in order to assert your authority. Do you see a problem with that?

I don't disagree with you that some cops (just like any other profession) abuse their trust and power.

At the same time, I personally don't have any problem with cops issuing warnings to motorists speeding in school zones.

Traffic tickets suck but I've personally never been pulled over for speeding when I wasn't in fact speeding.

[BAM]

LOL. You've been going on about this choking incident for years now. Please, more info is needed. And yes, my penis was far too large for LE and i have a better paying gig now anyway. I wasn't enough of a jackoff to be employed by the bigger jackoffs but I won the suit and got well paid for it.

BTW- still working out at the YMCA here? When are you gonna be man enough to introduce yourself? You have stated at CJM that you know who I am yet you have never wanted to say hello for some reason.


Clearly you have me mistaken with sombody else.

[tex]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Gilmour again.

[PdH]

Most ppl will not ask to see the radar gun output. And most ppl know when they have been speeding especially when you are on city streets or in a school zone. I have no problem with a cop pulling me over to tell me to be careful with my speed. None what so ever.

Pretty sure most would be very appreciative of having not been given a ticket even though they don't know the gun wasn't actually on.

Police are not required by law to show the radar output. However, they are required by law to have valid grounds for detaining someone, whether that someone is appreciative or not. Don't you find it to be the height of hypocrisy that some of those who are mandated to enforce the law, flagrantly violate it in order to either discharge their mandate or provide a sense of personal empowerment, and are fiercely protected by their brethren for doing so?

[PdH]

I don't disagree with you that some cops (just like any other profession) abuse their trust and power.

At the same time, I personally don't have any problem with cops issuing warnings to motorists speeding in school zones.

Traffic tickets suck but I've personally never been pulled over for speeding when I wasn't in fact speeding.

I don't have a problem with police issuing tickets when it's legally justified. So turn your ****in radar on, can't be too complicated, can it? What I have a problem with is those who illegally detain people knowing full well that they are doing so.

[natenator]

Police are not required by law to show the radar output. However, they are required by law to have valid grounds for detaining someone, whether that someone is appreciative or not. Don't you find it to be the height of hypocrisy that some of those who are mandated to enforce the law, flagrantly violate it in order to either discharge their mandate or provide a sense of personal empowerment, and are fiercely protected by their brethren for doing so?
Absolutely, cops speeding, cops flashing lights to go through a red, cops getting caught driving drunk but not hauled in and the list goes on. That? Yes I have a problem with.

In the context that we're discussing? Nope. I'm fine with it. When it has the potential to save a life in the future I am perfectly fine with it.

[PdH]

Absolutely, cops speeding, cops flashing lights to go through a red, cops getting caught driving drunk but not hauled in and the list goes on. That? Yes I have a problem with. In the context that we're discussing? Nope. I'm fine with it. When it has the potential to save a life in the future I am perfectly fine with it.

So the context we're discussing is what a cop presumes to be speeding right?My point is it's analogous to many other things that are unacceptable, which do occur under the guise of public safety. So, a couple cops are out patrolling and they see a couple of people that they presume are up to no good because of their clothes or the colour of their skin, so they detain them without probable cause. That's an illegal detainment in the eyes of the law.

The cops know it's illegal, but they have this little out they can use, guised as public safety. They can simple say they were checking for unlicensed drivers to make an illegal detainment all nice and tidy. The ramifications of illegal detainments goes far beyond school zone speeding.

[musclehead123]

Its hard to say whether those cops deserve it or not I only caught a little bit about it on CNN.

Now if these cops were drug dealers where they would bust people take their money and the drugs and then resell the drugs and then give the original dealer a warning and let them go. How would this ambush be any different from a organized crime killing?

I do think that a lot of cops are power hungry and a small amount are level headed. I have a few friends that are friends (since childhood) with cops. We were all out one night and I asked the girl that was a cop how she liked it. She responded, "I love it, I have so much power. If I don't like the way someone looks I can pull them out of their car throw them around, handcuff them, just because I feel like it." Then she went on to say, "A lot of cops will tell people that the power is a very little part of the reason why they became cops, but we all love it." Now I'm not implying this applies to all cops because the cop that used to frequent our highschool was a very nice level headed guy, but I also believe that he is one guy that knew how to communicate with others and that was the reason for his level head.

What about those cops that tazered the Polish guy repeatedly? Could they not have used mace and batons to put him on the ground rather than use their tazers. Or the cop that killed someones dog because it was dark and could not see if the dog was tied up, could the cop not have tazered the dog? Or how about the VPD officers that beat up the taxi driver while they were off duty? Or the group of cops that beat up the guy delivering papers and when asked why are u doing this the cops said, "because we dont like your people" or something to that effect. What punishments happened to these cops? (I really dont know I never followed these stories).

Don't get me wrong I do feel sorry for the families of those cops that died. Because the fact is they were people.

[natenator]

So the context we're discussing is what a cop presumes to be speeding right?My point is it's analogous to many other things that are unacceptable, which do occur under the guise of public safety. So, a couple cops are out patrolling and they see a couple of people that they presume are up to no good because of their clothes or the colour of their skin, so they detain them without probable cause. That's an illegal detainment in the eyes of the law.

The cops know it's illegal, but they have this little out they can use, guised as public safety. They can simple say they were checking for unlicensed drivers to make an illegal detainment all nice and tidy. The ramifications of illegal detainments goes far beyond school zone speeding.
I know what you're getting at. Not completely dumb but I still don't care. Haul my ass over in a school zone if you know or suspect me speeding lol

[BAM]

Why do cops always seem to die in groups of four?

They should start hanging out in three's or perhaps five's :)

[trainharder]

For those of you who have had such negative prior dealings with cops, do you mind sharing what happened?

I have no record and haven't had many dealings with them but have generally found that so long as you are calm and respectful, they are reasonable for the most part.

[Chunk]

this guy could commit double homicide and still think the cops are assholes for taking him to jail judging by the reaction he's giving.

[L3]

my negative experience:

3 am sunday evening, driving my buddy home after his birthday. im sober hes half in the bag. lives in a ghetto area of the city... lots of cop cars around that night, posted at different intersections..clearly looking for someone. drop my buddy off @ his building, head home, drive by some more cops, get a call from my buddy as asking to pick up cigarettes...i oblige it was his birthday, take a side street to the convinience store. 1 cop car lines up behind me. 2 cop cars. flashign lights. pulled over:
C -"what are you doing here, where do you live"
L - "dropped my buddy off, now he wants smokes, so im going to the store"
C - "stay here"
3 more cop cars shows up. they all get out. im ****ing surrounded by cops.
C - "one probnlem with your story there bud, i didnt see anyone in the car with you earlier"
uh oh..
L - "i just dropped my buddy off at home, i dont know waht to tell you."

after half an hour and a phone call to my friend, they let me go. not before kicking my truck to see if it was full of stolen goodies.

dicks

[waderow]

You would be wrong. None of the ones I'd love to pound the shit out of are smaller than I. Not worried about it at all. I handle myself quite well in combat. Lots of practice.

2ndly.. I only approach the ones that wronged me or someone close to me. And trust me, they are very nervous when I do.
I don't bother assaulting them, I'd just end up in their world.. i choose to ride the line of the law and intimidate them as much as possible, whether that includes embarassing them in public opr whatever. They are shit to me.

3rdly my avatar is not a tough guy avatar. Guns do not make you tough, they are mostly for cowards (cops etc). My avatar only represents how I feel about cops.



I welcome the opportunity. I choked the **** out of one before and it felt good. You were probably one of the jackoff cops I'm speaking about since you no longer are employed in that area. You probably got fired for being a ****up or perhaps your penis was too large to be in law enforcement so they had to let you go.

Whats your stormfront handle Bam? Combat???? LOL **** you crack me up. Just like why you need to wear boots right.... for combat. Its right out of the skinhead manual. And in my experience, skinheads are just a big group of pussies who got picked on their whole life and now hate jews for it....


Sop then you always go up to the off duty cops who have wronged you or your fellow skinhead faggot friend, and you intimidate the off duty cop and make him feel uncomfortable eh? So you embarrassed them did ya? LOL
Bam good buddy... I am sure from a bystanders point of view, you looked like a fool, and the only one who should be embarrassed is you.

You walk around with a chip on your shoulder trying to play the tough guy to cops, and you get your ass handed to you from time to time, and now you are this big tough cop hater who guts cops, and could beat them all up. LOLOLOL

I feel sorry for your wife. She really need a more mature breadwinner.

[gsxr750]

RIP

[champcar99]

Its hard to say whether those cops deserve it or not I only caught a little bit about it on CNN.

Now if these cops were drug dealers where they would bust people take their money and the drugs and then resell the drugs and then give the original dealer a warning and let them go. How would this ambush be any different from a organized crime killing?

I do think that a lot of cops are power hungry and a small amount are level headed. I have a few friends that are friends (since childhood) with cops. We were all out one night and I asked the girl that was a cop how she liked it. She responded, "I love it, I have so much power. If I don't like the way someone looks I can pull them out of their car throw them around, handcuff them, just because I feel like it." Then she went on to say, "A lot of cops will tell people that the power is a very little part of the reason why they became cops, but we all love it." Now I'm not implying this applies to all cops because the cop that used to frequent our highschool was a very nice level headed guy, but I also believe that he is one guy that knew how to communicate with others and that was the reason for his level head.

What about those cops that tazered the Polish guy repeatedly? Could they not have used mace and batons to put him on the ground rather than use their tazers. Or the cop that killed someones dog because it was dark and could not see if the dog was tied up, could the cop not have tazered the dog? Or how about the VPD officers that beat up the taxi driver while they were off duty? Or the group of cops that beat up the guy delivering papers and when asked why are u doing this the cops said, "because we dont like your people" or something to that effect. What punishments happened to these cops? (I really dont know I never followed these stories).

Don't get me wrong I do feel sorry for the families of those cops that died. Because the fact is they were people.

lets not forget the native guy the cops killed by dragging his drunk ass from a cell to the freezing cold outside while passed out and leaving him in a ally to die,,they lied to the bitter end about it,,UNTIL A VIDEO SHOWED THEM DOING IT..

Or the young guy who lived in huston BC was cought drinking at a hockey game lied about who he was ..was taken into custody and ends up with a bullet in the BACK OF THE HEAD .. a INTERNAL investagation finds the cop not quilty...

or the VPD picks up a few guys from the streets takes them to stanley park kicks the shit out of all them breaks one guys nose..COPS LIED about it until the victim gets a lawyer then all of a sudden they come clean and one of the pigs was a supervisor that didnt say shit until the the charges were laid...

[BAM]

Whats your stormfront handle Bam? Combat???? LOL **** you crack me up. Just like why you need to wear boots right.... for combat. Its right out of the skinhead manual. And in my experience, skinheads are just a big group of pussies who got picked on their whole life and now hate jews for it....


Sop then you always go up to the off duty cops who have wronged you or your fellow skinhead faggot friend, and you intimidate the off duty cop and make him feel uncomfortable eh? So you embarrassed them did ya? LOL
Bam good buddy... I am sure from a bystanders point of view, you looked like a fool, and the only one who should be embarrassed is you.

You walk around with a chip on your shoulder trying to play the tough guy to cops, and you get your ass handed to you from time to time, and now you are this big tough cop hate who guts cops, and could beat them all up. LOLOLOL

I feel sorry for your wife. She really need a more mature breadwinner.

You certinly make alot of asinine assumptions Wade:

Stormfront.. wrong
Skinhead...wrong
Boots... wrong
ass handed to me .. wrong
married... wrong

Cops are borderine 105 iq robots at best. They abuse people and the only reason they into law enforcement is because they want to have power over other people. They probably felt powerless their whole life growing up and fyi, when I say I try to embarrass the cop, I do it when its just him and I there as I don't want any witnesses anyway. I embarrass the cop in front of "himself", because when he shows his cowardice, he has to go home and live with it (just like he did when he was a kid)

Personally, I think society as a whole needs to raise the bar when recruting cops so that the psychological wimps of the world with acute penis envy are no longer handed badges and guns so easily.

With regard to my opinion about Jews... It comes from my own observations as well as much research. Perhaps if you were not such an ignorant lemming of a person, you'd investigate some of my accusations about Jews and you'd see that I am bang on the money. Your rsponse is quite typical as when someone says anything about Jews... that I somehow must be skinhead thug. lol

If I was to use the same logic that you used to define me, I would ascertain from your posts that you must be
a Jewboy with ties to Law enforcement

Try to stay on topic Wade. ;)

[natenator]

I'm actually shocked that there's a union out there that BAM thinks is useless :D

[PdH]

or the VPD picks up a few guys from the streets takes them to stanley park kicks the shit out of all them breaks one guys nose..COPS LIED about it until the victim gets a lawyer then all of a sudden they come clean and one of the pigs was a supervisor that didnt say shit until the the charges were laid...

When I was in Van I went out for a couple of drinks then while I was driving afterward I slid into the back of another car. No one was hurt, there was very little damage, and I was not impaired. I just slid in the rain. Kojima is the cop who shows up. I say to him "I'm not going to give a statement until I speak to counsel" in a polite manner. The ****er says to me "Oh no" and grabs my head and slams my face on the roof.

We get to the station to do an impaired test. One of the best lawyers in Van is on my my thesis committee and I say I want to speak to him and I'm not giving a statement or blowing until I do. He ****s off with some other cop, then comes back and says "I'm just going to write you a 24 hour licence suspension b/c if you're impaired insurance won't cover the damage". No need for counsel with a 24 hour suspension. I may or may not have contributed to his termination as a cop.

I have other examples from my youth but they're kind of irrelevant, however, I do know many people that have been victimized by police.

Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner British Columbia, CANADA
Public Hearings

PH04-01 Constable Gabriel Kojima Constable Duncan Gemmel Vancouver Police Department Adjudicator: The Honourable Donald L. Clancy Commission Counsel: Dana Urban,Q.C. Respondent Counsel: E. David Crossin, Q.C. Respondent Counsel: David G. Butcher T

This Public Hearing arose from an incident that occurred in Stanley Park in Vancouver on January 14th, 2003. It was alleged that six members of the Vancouver Police Department apprehended four individuals on the Granville Mall, and “breached” three of the males to an area known as Third Beach, dropping off a female en route. Once at Stanley Park, these officers allegedly assaulted the three males.

The officers were charged criminally, pled guilty in Provincial Court and were sentenced. They were subsequently also disciplined by Vancouver Police Chief Graham following a Disciplinary Hearing on January 28th, 2004. Cst. Duncan Gemmell and Cst. Gabriel Kojima were dismissed as police officers and their colleagues, Cst. James Kenney, Cst. Chris Cronmiller, Cst. Raymond Gardner and Cst. Brandon Steele received lesser discipline.

On February 17th and 25th, 2004 respectively, counsel for Constables Gemmell and Kojima requested that the Police Complaint Commissioner arrange for a Public Hearing for their clients who had been dismissed. Following a review of the entire matter, on June 9th, 2004, the Police Compliant Commissioner confirmed Chief Graham’s decision.

However, Counsel for Constable Gemmell and Constable Kojima requested a Public Hearing and the Police Complaint Commissioner is required by the statute to arrange for a Public Hearing if so requested by Respondents who receive discipline greater than a written reprimand. Accordingly a Public Hearing was arranged to be held before Adjudicator Donald Clancy, a retired Supreme Court Justice.

[CanadianIron]

Where are you guys interacting with police in such a negative manner? The only time I ever interact with them is when im getting a speeding ticket, which hasnt been for 5 years. Generally if you dislike cops, its probably because you're doing something wrong in the first place, cops dont "pick on" people that are doing good and minding their own business. The fact that you would even challenge a cop physically attests to the fact that you have no respect for the law. You shouldnt be fighting with people in the first place. Some of you guys sound like drunk bar brawlers, its hard to imagine normal people hating on cops so much.

[tex]

I have never been hassled by cops in this country or when i lived in the states. law-abiding people dont have problems with police. the only time i ever got in trouble with police was because I did something wrong......

[Durk]

Cops seem to like me for some reason. They have always been pleasent to me and believed my side of the story. I can remember punching a wigger out a few years ago fairly badly because I caught him and one of his friends trying to jump a friend of mine. He didnt even leave a mark on me. I guess they took one look at me guy wearing a golf shirt clean cut with jeans that fit, then some wanabe tough guy wankster who was probably well known to them as being asshole and made their own assumptions.

[PdH]

its hard to imagine normal people hating on cops so much.

Do you really think that the majority of Canadians trust or respect police?

[BAM]

Where are you guys interacting with police in such a negative manner? The only time I ever interact with them is when im getting a speeding ticket, which hasnt been for 5 years. Generally if you dislike cops, its probably because you're doing something wrong in the first place, cops dont "pick on" people that are doing good and minding their own business. The fact that you would even challenge a cop physically attests to the fact that you have no respect for the law. You shouldnt be fighting with people in the first place. Some of you guys sound like drunk bar brawlers, its hard to imagine normal people hating on cops so much.

As you admit, you have had limited experience with law enforcement so based on that, have you considered that you don't know enough about them and the behavior they are capable of to come to an informed conclusion?

[trainharder]

As you admit, you have had limited experience with law enforcement so based on that, have you considered that you don't know enough about them and the behavior they are capable of to come to an informed conclusion?

Ever considered you might want to change your lifestyle if you have such frequent encounters with cops??

[natenator]

Ever considered you might want to change your lifestyle if you have such frequent encounters with cops??
lmao!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to trainharder again. :(

[PdH]

I gave a personal story about a cop committing assault and then trying to weasel out of it. On a professional level I'm a lawyer/criminologist and I come across quite a bit of wrongdoing by cops, more than most of you would be willing to believe. My opinions are formed from experience, those who have no interaction or knowledge about police form their opinions on presumption.

[natenator]

I gave a personal story about a cop committing assault and then trying to weasel out of it. On a professional level I'm a lawyer/criminologist and I come across quite a bit of wrongdoing by cops, more than most of you would be willing to believe. My opinions are formed from experience, those who have no interaction or knowledge about police form their opinions on presumption.
I've had plenty of run ins in my youger days. I dislike cops in general but do have some friends who are cops and ARE good guys on and off duty.

I still do not wish to see cops killed as a few here have suggested is perfectly acceptable.

[trainharder]

I gave a personal story about a cop committing assault and then trying to weasel out of it. On a professional level I'm a lawyer/criminologist and I come across quite a bit of wrongdoing by cops, more than most of you would be willing to believe. My opinions are formed from experience, those who have no interaction or knowledge about police form their opinions on presumption.

By virtue of your work, you will meet a disproportionately higher amount of "bad" cops.

I know you're a smart guy and I am surprised that you don't seem to appreciate that for every bad apple out there, there are a lot of good cops that are really just trying to do their jobs, and wish nothing more than to safely return to their families at the end of their shifts.

I work in the legal field as well so I understand how easy it can be to become jaded with the system..but you have to remember (and I'll make this assumption based on my experience) that you only get a call and become involved when something has gone wrong.. no one calls you when a cop helps someone or is fair..so it's especially easy to be left with that feeling that all cops are assholes when it's really not the case.

[Gilmour]

I gave a personal story about a cop committing assault and then trying to weasel out of it. On a professional level I'm a lawyer/criminologist and I come across quite a bit of wrongdoing by cops, more than most of you would be willing to believe. My opinions are formed from experience, those who have no interaction or knowledge about police form their opinions on presumption.
LOL. You are a lawyer. You guys are no different than cops. People hate them until they need them. I hated lawyers until I needed one. Mine was great and he both fought against the cops (for em) and defended them. Wherever the money lead him to. My police service charged several diffferent lawyers for evrything from domestic assault to impaired driving to fraud. They always got off , just like the cops.
Look man. I have no beef with you or with lawyers. I don't pretend to know how you do your job and you know little about how cops do theirs. You only see the worst of them, and I will be the first to say there is plenty of bad ones. They are, however, not the majority, as I am sure the majority of lawyers aren't going to hell, if you believe in that nonsense.

[Gilmour]

Do you really think that the majority of Canadians trust or respect police?
I read a recent poll of visible minorities in Toronto that said they did, and that city has some of the worst cops around. Can't find it now. What evidence do you have to the contrary?

BTW- I have a degree in Criminology too. Not just your typical meathead cop/ex cop.

[trainharder]

I read a recent poll of visible minorities in Toronto that said they did, and that city has some of the worst cops around. Can't find it now. What evidence do you have to the contrary?

BTW- I have a degree in Criminology too. Not just your typical meathead cop/ex cop.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060319/profession_jobs060319/20060319?hub=Canada



The occupations most-trusted by Canadians, according to a poll by Leger Marketing:

.... Police Officers: 81%

[BAM]

Ever considered you might want to change your lifestyle if you have such frequent encounters with cops??

I have not had a criminal encounter with the police since I was a young man. I have a good memory though, so when God delivers one of these idiots to me offduty in a supermarket or whatever, I take advantage of it because it doesn't happen that often.

[natenator]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060319/profession_jobs060319/20060319?hub=Canada



The occupations most-trusted by Canadians, according to a poll by Leger Marketing:

.... Police Officers: 81%

Hey BAM... Unionists are trusted 38% by the Canadian Population. Now I really have statistical reasoning to distrust you, what you say and all that you stand for which really only seems to be killing jews and cops.

[Gilmour]

Clearly you have me mistaken with sombody else.
Clearly I DO NOT. I have done plenty of research on you and my memory is quite good.. I have known you since CJM, 8 years ago. Here's what I know about you:

You train in Kingston at the YMCA
You hate Jews
You were banned from MN
You claim to only use DBs because of injuries
You have been bragging about choking a cop out in Deseronto for years now. You are the only person on the internet I know who has continually gone one about " choking a cop out " on 3 different boards
You fantasize about ' gutting ' people, usually cops
Your old lady trains with you
You have long arms, which is your excuse for a shitty bench
You have even pmed me on CJM and admitted you know who I am but when asked to come over and say hello you chose not to. One would presume because you have no balls to back your internet persona tough guy act up. I told you I wouldn't do anything but put my hand out and shake it but still nothing
Despite lots of cycles you said you didn't want to be as big as me because your GF liked a more athletic look. So you are smaller than me, which is sad.
You used to wear gloves , dunno if you still do
You are trained in karate
You love MMA

All these are from your posts at MN and CJM and this board. If I am wrong then by all means post up a pic of yourself in front of your gym. ****, you can throw me off and post up a fake one. Thing is, I know you live and train here. It's only a matter of time before we meet. The choice is yours tough guy.

If I ever figure out who you are I will take a pic and post it up here so everyone can have a good laugh. I presume you are skinny as **** cuz you don't bench, deadlift or squat. If you are man enough to admit who you are and put your hand out I'll offer up mine as a gesture of good will. If you wanna fight an ex cop and live to tell about it instead then go for it. You are the karate trained MMA fan with the big m outh and the hatred for cops. You'd be a hero to many and since you say I am bigger than you then you have nothing at all to lose.

[kloan]

What a fun thread!

So.... do we know why this guy killed the 4 cops yet?

[Gilmour]

Why do cops always seem to die in groups of four?

They should start hanging out in three's or perhaps five's :)
I will admit that is funny. Credit where credit is due.

[BAM]

Hey BAM... Unionists are trusted 38% by the Canadian Population. Now I really have statistical reasoning to distrust you, what you say and all that you stand for which really only seems to be killing jews and cops.

I promote killing Jews and cops?

I don't remember saying anything promoting the killing anyone.

[kloan]

Clearly I DO NOT. I have done plenty of research on you and my memory is quite good.. I have known you since CJM, 8 years ago. Here's what I know about you:

You train in Kingston at the YMCA
You hate Jews
You were banned from MN
You claim to only use DBs because of injuries
You have been bragging about choking a cop out in Deseronto for years now. You are the only person on the internet I know who has continually gone one about " choking a cop out " on 3 different boards
You fantasize about ' gutting ' people, usually cops
Your old lady trains with you
You have long arms, which is your excuse for a shitty bench
You have even pmed me on CJM and admitted you know who I am but when asked to come over and say hello you chose not to. One would presume because you have no balls to back your internet persona tough guy act up. I told you I wouldn't do anything but put my hand out and shake it but still nothing
Despite lots of cycles you said you didn't want to be as big as me because your GF liked a more athletic look. So you are smaller than me, which is sad.
You used to wear gloves , dunno if you still do
You are trained in karate
You love MMA

All these are from your posts at MN and CJM and this board. If I am wrong then by all means post up a pic of yourself in front of your gym. ****, you can throw me off and post up a fake one. Thing is, I know you live and train here. It's only a matter of time before we meet. The choice is yours tough guy.

If I ever figure out who you are I will take a pic and post it up here so everyone can have a good laugh. I presume you are skinny as **** cuz you don't bench, deadlift or squat. If you are man enough to admit who you are and put your hand out I'll offer up mine as a gesture of good will. If you wanna fight an ex cop and live to tell about it instead then go for it. You are the karate trained MMA fan with the big m outh and the hatred for cops. You'd be a hero to many and since you say I am bigger than you then you have nothing at all to lose.
Hey, what kind of gloves? :D

[Gilmour]

You're attempting to evade the issue at hand. You stated if you didn't have your radar on you would issue a warning. The point is if you didn't have your radar on or were not able to gauge their speed with the speed of your own vehicle, you have no evidence with which to issue a ticket, yet you detain the individual anyway in order to assert your authority. Do you see a problem with that?
I am not attempting to evade anything. Number one, I never gave out a ticket or warning when my vehicle was moving. Too hard to gauge speed. When I was at a stationary position and didn't have my radar on I could tell what was really fast, what was way over the speed limit. No training is necessary to figure out that one car out of 60 is travelling much faster than the others and common sense would dictate that those other 59 are probably doing near the limit. Seems pretty non intrusive to stop the guy and say he should slow down. Every single person I EVER stopped to issue a warning thanked me and admitted they were speeding. I never felt bad about it cuz I wasn't being an asshole, like the next guy could have been.
If you feel I did something bad by being cordial and possibly saving a guy a ticket the next time around then I can no longer have a normal discussion with you. If you have had the experience of seeing young kids living in squalor, being physically and sexually abused, seeing teens hanging from the rafters in the basement, notifying people of the death of their loved ones or keeping predators off the streets then by all means you have every right to criticize what a cop does. I did all those things and laid a few tickets. That was my job and I did it because I was paid to, not because I woke up every morning wanting to. If you wanna dwell on the do's and don'ts of pulling a car over and how unjustified enforcing the HTA (law) is when cops weild their authority on motorists then fill your boots. You can make a good living doing so. God knows if any group has the right to set the moral compass in this world it's lawyers.

[Gilmour]

Hey, what kind of gloves? :D
LOL. Did you get them yet?

[Gilmour]

Police are not required by law to show the radar output. However, they are required by law to have valid grounds for detaining someone, whether that someone is appreciative or not. Don't you find it to be the height of hypocrisy that some of those who are mandated to enforce the law, flagrantly violate it in order to either discharge their mandate or provide a sense of personal empowerment, and are fiercely protected by their brethren for doing so?


Yet I clearly stated I always gave the driver the option of seeing the radar. Some wanted to see it, most didn't care because I set the radar so high that they had to be going 30+ Km/hr over the limit. Most guys I WORKED WITH did the same. Our policy, which I liked. Personal empowerment? LOL. No, just doing my job. If I wanted to be a big shot I would've gone to law school instead. More money and better looking women.

I am curious about what exactly you do. You say you are a lawyer/Criminologist yet you haven't offered up whether or not you work for a firm or are one of those flunkies who taught me in University that a pedophile can be cured under the right circumstances.

[BAM]

Clearly I DO NOT. I have done plenty of research on you and my memory is quite good.. I have known you since CJM, 8 years ago. Here's what I know about you:

You train in Kingston at the YMCA
You hate Jews
You were banned from MN
You claim to only use DBs because of injuries
You have been bragging about choking a cop out in Deseronto for years now. You are the only person on the internet I know who has continually gone one about " choking a cop out " on 3 different boards
You fantasize about ' gutting ' people, usually cops
Your old lady trains with you
You have long arms, which is your excuse for a shitty bench
You have even pmed me on CJM and admitted you know who I am but when asked to come over and say hello you chose not to. One would presume because you have no balls to back your internet persona tough guy act up. I told you I wouldn't do anything but put my hand out and shake it but still nothing
Despite lots of cycles you said you didn't want to be as big as me because your GF liked a more athletic look. So you are smaller than me, which is sad.
You used to wear gloves , dunno if you still do
You are trained in karate
You love MMA

All these are from your posts at MN and CJM and this board. If I am wrong then by all means post up a pic of yourself in front of your gym. ****, you can throw me off and post up a fake one. Thing is, I know you live and train here. It's only a matter of time before we meet. The choice is yours tough guy.

If I ever figure out who you are I will take a pic and post it up here so everyone can have a good laugh. I presume you are skinny as **** cuz you don't bench, deadlift or squat. If you are man enough to admit who you are and put your hand out I'll offer up mine as a gesture of good will. If you wanna fight an ex cop and live to tell about it instead then go for it. You are the karate trained MMA fan with the big m outh and the hatred for cops. You'd be a hero to many and since you say I am bigger than you then you have nothing at all to lose.

LOL.. Thats some funny shit

You must have been in the CSI division with your razor sharp powers of deduction. Haha

I did some research on you too:

-works out on the monkey bars at the park
-complains of vaginitis on occasion
-tiny feet
-head like a watermelon
-face like a can of smashed arseholes
-bitch tits
-one crooked eye
-unibrow
-pen guard
-poor taste in music
-wears one glove
-frequent masterbater

[waderow]

Clearly I DO NOT. I have done plenty of research on you and my memory is quite good.. I have known you since CJM, 8 years ago. Here's what I know about you:

You train in Kingston at the YMCA
You hate Jews
You were banned from MN
You claim to only use DBs because of injuries
You have been bragging about choking a cop out in Deseronto for years now. You are the only person on the internet I know who has continually gone one about " choking a cop out " on 3 different boards
You fantasize about ' gutting ' people, usually cops
Your old lady trains with you
You have long arms, which is your excuse for a shitty bench
You have even pmed me on CJM and admitted you know who I am but when asked to come over and say hello you chose not to. One would presume because you have no balls to back your internet persona tough guy act up. I told you I wouldn't do anything but put my hand out and shake it but still nothing
Despite lots of cycles you said you didn't want to be as big as me because your GF liked a more athletic look. So you are smaller than me, which is sad.
You used to wear gloves , dunno if you still do
You are trained in karate
You love MMA

All these are from your posts at MN and CJM and this board. If I am wrong then by all means post up a pic of yourself in front of your gym. ****, you can throw me off and post up a fake one. Thing is, I know you live and train here. It's only a matter of time before we meet. The choice is yours tough guy.

If I ever figure out who you are I will take a pic and post it up here so everyone can have a good laugh. I presume you are skinny as **** cuz you don't bench, deadlift or squat. If you are man enough to admit who you are and put your hand out I'll offer up mine as a gesture of good will. If you wanna fight an ex cop and live to tell about it instead then go for it. You are the karate trained MMA fan with the big m outh and the hatred for cops. You'd be a hero to many and since you say I am bigger than you then you have nothing at all to lose.

OUCH!!! Bam, I think you better embarrass Gilmour in front of himself

[CanadianIron]

As you admit, you have had limited experience with law enforcement so based on that, have you considered that you don't know enough about them and the behavior they are capable of to come to an informed conclusion?

I was a volunteer cop for 2 years homie.

The people cops deal with are usually complete idiots and deserve WAY worse than what they get from 99% of the cops out there. MOST people in Canada respect and obey the law. This site is populated by people who break the law on a daily basis, so I wouldnt expect too many people on here to agree.

[Gilmour]

LOL.. Thats some funny shit

You must have been in the CSI division with your razor sharp powers of deduction. Haha

I did some research on you too:

-works out on the monkey bars at the park
-complains of vaginitis on occasion
-tiny feet
-head like a watermelon
-face like a can of smashed arseholes
-bitch tits
-one crooked eye
-unibrow
-pen guard
-poor taste in music
-wears one glove
-frequent masterbater


So I know exactly who you are yet you are so chickenshit you sated earlier in this thread I have the wrong guy. Epic cowardice. You KNOW who I am yet you won't come and introduce yourself. Maybe your gf will. If I ever find out who either of you are you'll both have your faces shown right here, seeing as you haven't denied any of the facts I just listed. Or you could man up and say hello. I highly doubt it. BTW - Thursday I will be in at around 8 pm. Come on over with your posse and say hello.

[BAM]

Go ahead and take a picture of me.. I'm a sex ****er

or just come over and beat me up.

Thats cool too :)

Wtf? Should I be intimidated?

[Gilmour]

OUCH!!! Bam, I think you better embarrass Gilmour in front of himself


This epic chickenshit has had 8 years to do so. He won't do it now. I'll probably get another pm with him kissing my ass telling me I am too big or something, just like the one at CJM when I was known as FreakyFloyd. I'd shit myself with surprise if he ever came up to me.

[Gilmour]

Go ahead and take a picture of me.. I'm a sex ****er
But I have no idea who you are because you are too much of a yellow goof to meet me. How the **** would I be able to do so? If I figure out who you are I will ignore the YMCA's policy on cameras and I will take that pic for all to see. And if I find out who your old lady is she'll get the same treatment. Maybe then you'll be crying to the cops cuz you sure as shit don't have the balls to do anything about it. For all I know you've probably talked to me and asked me for a spot on the squat ra......... wait. No you haven't.

[Gilmour]

I was a volunteer cop for 2 years homie.

The people cops deal with are usually complete idiots and deserve WAY worse than what they get from 99% of the cops out there. MOST people in Canada respect and obey the law. This site is populated by people who break the law on a daily basis, so I wouldnt expect too many people on here to agree.


99% of the people here are solid as **** bro. I don't judge any of them by having or nor having records or breaking the law. I juice here and there and that makes me a lawbreaker.

[Gilmour]

When I was in Van I went out for a couple of drinks then while I was driving afterward I slid into the back of another car. No one was hurt, there was very little damage, and I was not impaired. I just slid in the rain. Kojima is the cop who shows up. I say to him "I'm not going to give a statement until I speak to counsel" in a polite manner. The ****er says to me "Oh no" and grabs my head and slams my face on the roof.

We get to the station to do an impaired test. One of the best lawyers in Van is on my my thesis committee and I say I want to speak to him and I'm not giving a statement or blowing until I do. He ****s off with some other cop, then comes back and says "I'm just going to write you a 24 hour licence suspension b/c if you're impaired insurance won't cover the damage". No need for counsel with a 24 hour suspension. I may or may not have contributed to his termination as a cop.

I have other examples from my youth but they're kind of irrelevant, however, I do know many people that have been victimized by police.

Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner British Columbia, CANADA
Public Hearings

PH04-01 Constable Gabriel Kojima Constable Duncan Gemmel Vancouver Police Department Adjudicator: The Honourable Donald L. Clancy Commission Counsel: Dana Urban,Q.C. Respondent Counsel: E. David Crossin, Q.C. Respondent Counsel: David G. Butcher T

This Public Hearing arose from an incident that occurred in Stanley Park in Vancouver on January 14th, 2003. It was alleged that six members of the Vancouver Police Department apprehended four individuals on the Granville Mall, and “breached” three of the males to an area known as Third Beach, dropping off a female en route. Once at Stanley Park, these officers allegedly assaulted the three males.

The officers were charged criminally, pled guilty in Provincial Court and were sentenced. They were subsequently also disciplined by Vancouver Police Chief Graham following a Disciplinary Hearing on January 28th, 2004. Cst. Duncan Gemmell and Cst. Gabriel Kojima were dismissed as police officers and their colleagues, Cst. James Kenney, Cst. Chris Cronmiller, Cst. Raymond Gardner and Cst. Brandon Steele received lesser discipline.

On February 17th and 25th, 2004 respectively, counsel for Constables Gemmell and Kojima requested that the Police Complaint Commissioner arrange for a Public Hearing for their clients who had been dismissed. Following a review of the entire matter, on June 9th, 2004, the Police Compliant Commissioner confirmed Chief Graham’s decision.

However, Counsel for Constable Gemmell and Constable Kojima requested a Public Hearing and the Police Complaint Commissioner is required by the statute to arrange for a Public Hearing if so requested by Respondents who receive discipline greater than a written reprimand. Accordingly a Public Hearing was arranged to be held before Adjudicator Donald Clancy, a retired Supreme Court Justice.
http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sweetvalley/210/how_crooked_lawyers_dodge_justice.html
Angels

[trainharder]

Gilmour: I hope never to get on your bad side bro lol

Your very first day on this board, you exposed Cheesesteak as the lying welfare-leeching scumbag he is, and you've just turned BAM into your bitch lol

I can't think of a better picture but this:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p180/metallica2k1/internet_serious_business.jpg

[Gilmour]

Go ahead and take a picture of me.. I'm a sex ****er

or just come over and beat me up.

Thats cool too :)

Wtf? Should I be intimidated?

If you aren't intimidated then by all means say hello. Did I say I would hit you? You are the karate trained guy who likes choking people out. If you are not intimidated then why'd you say I had the guy when I did not? The ball is in your court tough guy. If I am bigger than you, like that matters against your training and propensity for violence, then you have nothing to lose by confronting me. You are the one who knows who I am. I am not going up to every other guy in the gym and asking him if he goes by BAM on the internet. Your move fella.

[trainharder]

If you aren't intimidated then by all means say hello. Did I say I would hit you? You are the karate trained guy who likes choking people out. If you are not intimidated then why'd you say I had the guy when I did not? The ball is in your court tough guy. If I am bigger than you, like that matters against your training and propensity for violence, then you have nothing to lose by confronting me. You are the one who knows who I am. I am not going up to every other guy in the gym and asking him if he goes by BAM on the internet. Your move fella.

Sounds fair to me..ball is in your court BAM! :popc:popc

[Gilmour]

Gilmour: I hope never to get on your bad side bro lol

Your very first day on this board, you exposed Cheesesteak as the lying welfare-leeching scumbag he is, and you've just turned BAM into your bitch lol

I can't think of a better picture but this:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p180/metallica2k1/internet_serious_business.jpg


I am not, and never have been, a tough guy who goes looking for trouble. Cheesesteak needed to be outed and i saved some people here some money. I hate welfare bums. BAM is a loudmouth chickenshit goof who might have did some time in the local bucket when he was younger. He wishes he was a tough guy but the fact is that his internet persona doesn't match up. He is a coward and will always be one.

[kloan]

LOL. Did you get them yet?

lol, yeah.. ordered a pair off eBay.. some Harbingers.

[Gilmour]

lol, yeah.. ordered a pair off eBay.. some Harbingers.
Well if your bench goes up I will be the first in line to buy a pair. How much?

[kloan]

Well if your bench goes up I will be the first in line to buy a pair. How much?
$15 shipped

bench is most likely gonna be down for a little while i try to accommodate my shoulder with a new form... but do your hands normally hurt when you bench?

[GYMBRAT]

crazy ass shit!

[buildinthaskinnys]

I like to make my own decisons about someones character myself, and based on life experience I would say 50 % of cops are powertripping selfserving bastards. As for the new recruits, well I have met a few, and they all shared the same traits, hungry for power, looked down on minoritys and I generally got the feeling that they thought they were better than me. Of course I dont really know if any were actually hired on, But my roomate of a year who was in the process of becoming a cop had already passed preliminary screening was a gem of a person thats for sure, he lied constantly, would try and manipulate people to get them to do what they wanted, walked around with an air of superficial confidence that he could do anything he wanted, get any girl he wanted, he stole little things of small value if he needed something, and would openly belittle people for no reason except to maybe make himself look a little better. Oh and took whatever chance he could to rat people out.

There is alot of corruption in the rcmp that is a fact, and I personally dont trust cops because of past issues with them. Really I get the feeling that they look at everyone as potential criminals, and I dont blame them for having to think this way because that is their job, but I only respect them for what they can do to me, not for who they are or who they work for because most of them that I know personally arent great people.

[BDH]

Well... Gilmour... I love you... but, you already knew that...

[69challenger]

I have nothing against PO's. I sure as hell wouldn't want to do their job. Some of my clients are officers and I'd trust them with my life....good people. I'm sure that there are bad ones in the bunch (as there are in any profession), but I've never had to deal with them. My heart goes out to the families/friends of the murdered officers.

[69challenger]

Well... Gilmour... I love you... but, you already knew that...

awwwww......I thought you loved me??????

[BDH]

awwwww......I thought you loved me??????Oh, you're always #1 to me... when are we gonna tell everyone about us???

[Gilmour]

$15 shipped

bench is most likely gonna be down for a little while i try to accommodate my shoulder with a new form... but do your hands normally hurt when you bench?
No, sometimes my elbows do though. I may try some wraps someday soon.

[Gilmour]

I like to make my own decisons about someones character myself, and based on life experience I would say 50 % of cops are powertripping selfserving bastards. As for the new recruits, well I have met a few, and they all shared the same traits, hungry for power, looked down on minoritys and I generally got the feeling that they thought they were better than me. Of course I dont really know if any were actually hired on, But my roomate of a year who was in the process of becoming a cop had already passed preliminary screening was a gem of a person thats for sure, he lied constantly, would try and manipulate people to get them to do what they wanted, walked around with an air of superficial confidence that he could do anything he wanted, get any girl he wanted, he stole little things of small value if he needed something, and would openly belittle people for no reason except to maybe make himself look a little better. Oh and took whatever chance he could to rat people out.

There is alot of corruption in the rcmp that is a fact, and I personally dont trust cops because of past issues with them. Really I get the feeling that they look at everyone as potential criminals, and I dont blame them for having to think this way because that is their job, but I only respect them for what they can do to me, not for who they are or who they work for because most of them that I know personally arent great people.

Hiring practices are getting worse and I agree 100% that it is a good thing to not trust cops. I always said perfect paranoia is perfect awareness. And yes, most young ones are arrogant as hell. They usually lose that when they figure out they can't change the world.

[Gilmour]

Well... Gilmour... I love you... but, you already knew that...
As I do you. This Rush hating business has never thwarted my attempts to have you some fine day.

[massabsamurai]

cheers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qgN1_26S8I&feature=sub

[Gilmour]

cheers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qgN1_26S8I&feature=sub
Awesome. I give him credit. Should have the charges dropped based on stupidity of arrestong cops.

[kloan]

cheers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qgN1_26S8I&feature=sub
lol, that was funny

[BAM]

So when is this beating since you apparently know who I am. Kick my head in good you piece of shit..

lol

[Bowlcut]

As I do you. This Rush hating business has never thwarted my attempts to have you some fine day.

Include Saner into the mix. For some reason who fails to appreciate Geddy Lee.

[PdH]

You only see the worst of them, and I will be the first to say there is plenty of bad ones. They are, however, not the majority, as I am sure the majority of lawyers aren't going to hell, if you believe in that nonsense.

I'm not sure exactly where you concluded that I suggested bad cops are the majority. I believe I said I don't think they should be killed and I don't like cops who break the law, particularly when they know full well they are doing so. Then I provided some obvious examples that occur on a regular basis. I've come across good and bad and I have an issue with those that abuse state mandated authority. Maybe you should re-read my posts before coming to such hasty conclusions.

[PdH]

http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sweetvalley/210/how_crooked_lawyers_dodge_justice.html
Angels

What's your point with displaying this? Someone asked for personal examples, I gave one of my own and provided supporting evidence as to the nature of the individual involved. You seem to have a pattern of trying to divert attention from the primary issue, as if the fact that others break the law somehow mitigates the culpability of police wrongdoing. You say you have a Uni degree?

[PdH]

No training is necessary to figure out that one car out of 60 is travelling much faster than the others and common sense would dictate that those other 59 are probably doing near the limit. Seems pretty non intrusive to stop the guy and say he should slow down. Every single person I EVER stopped to issue a warning thanked me and admitted they were speeding. I never felt bad about it cuz I wasn't being an asshole, like the next guy could have been. If you feel I did something bad by being cordial and possibly saving a guy a ticket the next time around then I can no longer have a normal discussion with you. If you have had the experience of seeing young kids living in squalor, being physically and sexually abused, seeing teens hanging from the rafters in the basement, notifying people of the death of their loved ones or keeping predators off the streets then by all means you have every right to criticize what a cop does. I did all those things and laid a few tickets. That was my job and I did it because I was paid to, not because I woke up every morning wanting to. If you wanna dwell on the do's and don'ts of pulling a car over and how unjustified enforcing the HTA (law) is when cops weild their authority on motorists then fill your boots. You can make a good living doing so. God knows if any group has the right to set the moral compass in this world it's lawyers.

You' re right, no training is needed to determine whether someone is going fast or not, but once again you're trying to divert. The point is that you'd never get a conviction on 'it looked like he was speeding', so you justify an illegal detainment by saying it's non-intrusive and everybody thanked me. An illegal detainment is an illegal detainment. I don't know what you're going on about here with the traumatic working conditions stuff, but it just seems like a further attempt to deviate from the topic.

[PdH]

Yet I clearly stated I always gave the driver the option of seeing the radar. Some wanted to see it, most didn't care because I set the radar so high that they had to be going 30+ Km/hr over the limit. Most guys I WORKED WITH did the same. Our policy, which I liked. Personal empowerment? LOL. No, just doing my job. If I wanted to be a big shot I would've gone to law school instead. More money and better looking women.
I am curious about what exactly you do. You say you are a lawyer/Criminologist yet you haven't offered up whether or not you work for a firm or are one of those flunkies who taught me in University that a pedophile can be cured under the right circumstances.

Actually the post that prompted your response here was directed to Nate. You seem a little defensive.

By the way, I don't think adult pedos can be cured, I think they should be chemically castrated.

[O-Train]

Whats your stormfront handle Bam? Combat???? LOL **** you crack me up. Just like why you need to wear boots right.... for combat. Its right out of the skinhead manual. And in my experience, skinheads are just a big group of pussies who got picked on their whole life and now hate jews for it....


Sop then you always go up to the off duty cops who have wronged you or your fellow skinhead faggot friend, and you intimidate the off duty cop and make him feel uncomfortable eh? So you embarrassed them did ya? LOL
Bam good buddy... I am sure from a bystanders point of view, you looked like a fool, and the only one who should be embarrassed is you.

You walk around with a chip on your shoulder trying to play the tough guy to cops, and you get your ass handed to you from time to time, and now you are this big tough cop hater who guts cops, and could beat them all up. LOLOLOL

I feel sorry for your wife. She really need a more mature breadwinner.

I always thought BAM was a homosexual garbage man who eats cheetos and talks on the internet all day long. My mistake.

[guym]

The vast majority of people out there have almost similar feelings about "Bodybuilders"

-Loud, rude, aggressive brain dead morons who throw their weight around for no reason, meatheads who powertrip, narccists who let their physical power go to their heads...etc...etc...

All you people who hate cops: Be constructive! How would YOU fix things? The system?

Somalia has no cops. No rules! Nice place...

[BAM]

I always thought BAM was a homosexual garbage man who eats cheetos and talks on the internet all day long. My mistake.

Cheetos man?
Thats harsh... Why didn't you just shoot me in the genitals with a .45 :)

[O-Train]

Cheetos man?
Thats harsh... Why didn't you just shoot me in the genitals with a .45 :)

Lol, and I figured you would take offense to the gay comment. I kinda wish I still lived in Kingston, this would be way more fun. Although it was too windy for my taste.

I can actually understand why people living there would dislike cops. If I remember correctly the stretch of road going up past RMC was patrolled by 3 different police forces (including the MP's)? I'm not sure it that's possible but it's what I remember.

Interesting fact, Kingston has the most PHD's per capita. The city I live in now is #2.

[O-Train]

The vast majority of people out there have almost similar feelings about "Bodybuilders"

-Loud, rude, aggressive brain dead morons who throw their weight around for no reason, meatheads who powertrip, narccists who let their physical power go to their heads...etc...etc...

All you people who hate cops: Be constructive! How would YOU fix things? The system?

Somalia has no cops. No rules! Nice place...

Did you guys see the episode of South Park where they go to Somalia and become pirates? Not to change the subject, but that would be awesome. Maybe just as a summer job to gain life skills, but still awesome.

[kloan]

k-town is no place i wanna live... too negative from my experience there

[PdH]

Did you guys see the episode of South Park where they go to Somalia and become pirates? Not to change the subject, but that would be awesome. Maybe just as a summer job to gain life skills, but still awesome.

What's it called Hurley? I wanna watch it.

[kloan]

Season 13, Episode 7 - Fatbeard

[PdH]

Season 13, Episode 7 - Fatbeard

Thanks Bro. :)

[kloan]

Thanks Bro. :)
np, i love south park

[BAM]

Oh.. I found out what I think just might be this callout he speaks of.


Clearly I DO NOT. I have done plenty of research on you and my memory is quite good.. I have known you since CJM, 8 years ago. Here's what I know about you:

-i have only been working out for 5 years so there is your first full shit moment and you just got started

You train in Kingston at the YMCA

-Incorrect I used to

You hate Jews

- incorrect I see them for what they are

You were banned from MN

- correct it was a sad site shilling empire garbage

You claim to only use DBs because of injuries

- when i was injured, I only used dumbells

You have been bragging about choking a cop out in Deseronto for years now. You are the only person on the internet I know who has continually gone one about " choking a cop out " on 3 different boards

-what can I say.. It was orgasmic

You fantasize about ' gutting ' people, usually cops

-true

Your old lady trains with you

-false she hates my guts

You have long arms, which is your excuse for a shitty bench -

-not overly, but yeah, I'm no powerlifter however,I look better than one

You have even pmed me on CJM and admitted you know who I am but when asked to come over and say hello you chose not to. One would presume because you have no balls to back your internet persona tough guy act up. I told you I wouldn't do anything but put my hand out and shake it but still nothing

- First of all I don't PM to ex-cop boneheads so you are mistaken on this one
you told me you wouldn't do anything? wtf? lol blow me

Despite lots of cycles you said you didn't want to be as big as me because your GF liked a more athletic look. So you are smaller than me, which is sad.

-First of all, I have no idea who you are so I can not judge if I am bigger than you or not, but since you were a cop, I can only assume I am bigger in the penis department.

You used to wear gloves , dunno if you still do

-yes sometimes

You are trained in karate

-negative I have no martial arts training

You love MMA

-what other sport is there

All these are from your posts at MN and CJM and this board. If I am wrong then by all means post up a pic of yourself in front of your gym. ****, you can throw me off and post up a fake one. Thing is, I know you live and train here. It's only a matter of time before we meet. The choice is yours tough guy.

-ummm? Is this where I tremble etc?

If I ever figure out who you are I will take a pic and post it up here so everyone can have a good laugh.

- I doubt they'd be laughing I look pretty good

I presume you are skinny as **** cuz you don't bench, deadlift or squat.

-untrue

If you are man enough to admit who you are and put your hand out I'll offer up mine as a gesture of good will.

-no thanks, I'd rather not be your friend. You are a goof




There, now you can update your database Gilbert. Oh and btw.. I drink guiness and I like to ****. You should add that.

[Gilmour]

So when is this beating since you apparently know who I am. Kick my head in good you piece of shit..

lol


Actually I don't know who you are. otherwise I'd introduce myself to you. Are you able to read or are you just avoiding the truth here. You know who I am. You have said so in a PM on CJM. I am too big for your gf's tastes. She likes smaller guys like you. These are your words bro. I thought I may have figured it out years ago but apparently I was wrong. You've had 8 years to show your face. I never said I'd kick your head in, did I? Not my style. You are the MMA karate trained choke out expert, not me. I just want to embarass the **** out of you in front of your old lady and this whole board. I will do that. I promise you. So come on over and meet me you gutless ****. I wanna show the fellas here how not to use steroids.

[Gilmour]

Oh.. I found out what I think just might be this callout he speaks of.




...


All lame attempts at avoiding putting up or shutting up. I really like the one about you looking good. I bet you weigh well under 200 lbs. You did pm me at CJM and kissed my ass about how much bigger I was than you and you bitched about how Empire was shitty gear and how you got ripped off. BDH remembers who you are, but like me he can't recall your username. You still live in Kingston and train at the YMCA. We both know it. Nice try at avoiding any confrontation you gutless ****. How convenient that you aren't there anymore. Let's see a pic of you training at this other gym you speak of.

[Gilmour]

Actually the post that prompted your response here was directed to Nate. You seem a little defensive.

By the way, I don't think adult pedos can be cured, I think they should be chemically castrated.
Chemical castration doesn't work. Actual castration does.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

This thread closed.