need help with slin and gh

[physique]

humalog with the gh what do u reccomend for a dextrose drink ? or what do u reccomend ? im gonna do them both pw....

this is a exact email from a friend and i dont know dick about slin, so can the masses give him a answer

thanks

[piller01]

Found this somewhere else, thought i would share

Slin and IGF are incorporated into this but here it is
fellas....straight from Gavin

Let me know your take.....





Question: I have read all your articles on growth hormone, insulin,
and finally igf, but I am still having a hard time putting all
three together in a protocol for bulking. Can you outline a simple
program for me, something that lists dosages, timing, and optimal
use? I have done many cycles of anabolics, as well as insulin and
gh, but now I am looking forward to adding in some igf to the mix.
Thanks in advance for helping a guy out.


Answer:

I am happy to help you out bro as it is critical to get the timing
sequence down for optimal growth. I have been personally testing
different protocols with igf use, having done over 20 different
cycles and timing schedules. I also have a few competitive
bodybuilders and test subjects off-season testing my new protocols.
I have nailed down what I feel is the best protocol at this time,
though everything is subject to change as I keep researching.

For now I have found that less is more. I highly recommend using a
minimal schedule for all short chain sequence peptides, which
include igf, insulin and even gh. I recommend using no more than 3
days per week, 2 days is fine, but no more than 3. The reason for
this is that we are trying to prevent cell over-saturation and
closure. All three products should be used in a similar manner.

The protocol is as follows; inject all products post workout,
preferably after training large muscle groups which cause the most
glycogen depletion, hence providing faster uptake of peptides. A
sample layout is to inject Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Immediately post-workout inject 10-15iu of growth hormone IM, using
a insulin pin and inject in any small muscle group such as delts,
triceps, or biceps. Wait 20 minutes for the half-life clearance and
conversion to igf to begin its sequence from the growth hormone and
then inject a small dose of igf to create a synergistic super
charge of the conversion process. I would recommend no more than
30mcg at this time. 10 minutes later you will take Humalog insulin
only, and inject 5iu. I recommend starting with 5iu because Humalog
has a very rapid onset and is easy to control with sugar. In
conjunction with igf, you will be hyper-sensitive to insulin so
start small and slowly work your way up to a maximum dose of 12iu
post-workout. You will want to have around 80-100 grams of simple
sugars such as dextrose and grape juice and an additional 60 grams
of whey protein at the same time as your insulin. You will then eat
another moderate glycemic index meal one hour after your high
glycemic shake.

The reason for the high dose growth hormone is to take what would
normally be your one week intake of gh and spread it out into 3
equal doses, injected pwo. This will create a truly anabolic rich
environment and you will also benefit from full uptake due to your
pwo depleted state.

So there is our post-workout regime, 3 days per week. Certainly you
should take more than this, shouldn't you? For most lifters, this
protocol will be sufficient for growth. For someone with at least 6
months of gh use, 5 or more cycles of insulin and who no longer
responds to typical igf protocols, the following regime may be
followed: In addition to the above outline post-workout method, you
may add additional doses of igf as well as insulin on the same day
as your post-workout injection.

I would highly recommend you take 15mcg igf an additional two times
per day. By taking less igf more often you will prevent cell over-
saturation as well as receptor down-regulation. Creating a cell
rich environment that saturates the cells infrequently will target
massive cell proliferation. In addition you will take insulin 20
minutes after the igf on those 2 additional injections creating an
anabolic rich environment that will last all day, 3 days per week.

For a sample protocol for someone that works out after work, I
would recommend you do the following: Take 15mcg upon rising in the
morning, followed by 10iu Humulin R or Humalog 20 minutes later.
Immediately eat a carbohydrate rich meal with quality protein and
low fat such as bananas, oatmeal and egg whites.

For lunch, take another 15mcg igf with 10iu insulin and have
another moderate glycemic carbohydrate meal and protein with
minimal fats. Follow the above listed pwo protocol to complete your
three time injection schedule which will be used three times per
week.

If you follow the outline laid out for you above to the letter, you
will put on a massive amount of lean mass with a minimal amount of
fat. You will need an anabolic and androgen rich environment to
complete the schedule such as testosterone and tren in addition to
the peptide products. T3 and T4 will not be necessary on this
schedule as your thyroid levels will not be affected.

add this as well.......


Jesus guys are you reading the other threads, especially the one's
Gavin already wrote? He's answered these specific questions about a
dozen times already.

No you don't need to take insulin with the GH/ IGF-1 combo you'll
still get gains from it.

Yes you will retain what you have and can add some quality muscle
using the 3/week GH schedule, not to sound conceited but that
wasn't even Gavin's thing I brought that to this board from someone
who gave it to me. Simply put take your usual weekly total of GH
you use when using it daily, Dasco456 you said you use 4ius/day 5
on/2 off so you use 20ius/week, use 1/3 of that 3 times a week use
it post workout and try to spread it out by a day in between.
Another words do a workout say Monday and shoot 7ius post workout,
then Wednesday workout and do 7ius post workout and then Friday or
Saturday do the same thing. You could even go up to say 10ius post
workout if your already doing 7ius 3/week to make it easier.

Bulking and lean mass mean the same thing when it comes to 3 x week
GH dosing. The difference on your body will depend on how much and
what type of food your eating, if your eating a bulking diet you'll
get bigger like Dbol gains that stay though, if your eating clean
while doing it you'll get more quality type gains like those made
when using EQ, Winny or say Tren.

Remember when using GH daily you use a smaller amount per day and
do it daily so you get more gains like fat burning, skin and hair
rejuvenation, and a small amount of new muscle. When using GH in
large but infrequent dosages you get more muscle than the other
stuff, although you will still get some hair/skin benefits and some
small amount of fat burning.

[physique]

good post. christ thats alot of gh they suggest in it though.

I need more exact though as i dont want him to **** himself up from this.

anyone else?

[mcgee]

when i use slin with or without hgh post workout, I consume a drink containing 15 grams of dextrose per iu of humalog along with 50 grams of whey (any flavor).
This drink is taken right after injection. (i prepare drink before shot)
One hour later I have meal containing oatmeal and a meat or fish product along with 5 grams of sugar per iu of slin used.

when i use humalog pre workout I follow the above but have a gatorade drink to sip throughout the workout .

[mcgee]

i buy the pure dextrose from a wine brew shop or superstore, its cheap

[physique]

perfect thats what i am looking for

[Sean Summers]

You can get dextrose at the Bulk Barn. If you feel bloated with it go with Waxy Maize/Vitargo or my fav Vextrago from PVL. You don't need the shake though...if you kcals are high enough with food then you will be fine. Just make sure you take the slin with a meal. You'd better be fairly lean already before you use slin and also be on test.
SS

[gustavo77]

Tell him to start with 1-2iu of slin and access his tolerance...only then move it up 1iu at a time over the course of 2-3 weeks till he reaches 4-5iu post-workout. Tell him that he should have some glucose tabs on hand for any sign of hypoglycemia...also tell him DO NOT fall asleep for 4 hours after injecting the slin. Also tell him not to consume ANY fats within 4 hrs of injection. 10-15iu of sugar per iu of slin is the general recommendation. Post workout drink containing carbs and protein should be taken within minutes of injection, preferably 5-10 before injection.

[BigWheel]

humalog with the gh what do u reccomend for a dextrose drink ? or what do u reccomend ? im gonna do them both pw....

this is a exact email from a friend and i dont know dick about slin, so can the masses give him a answer

thanks

I recomend that he gets off his ass and does a few months of research for himself. Slin is serious shit and he needs to know exactly what to do. Even the most well planned out protocols are not fool proof, eventually he will have a scare or close call and will need to know what to do.

[physique]

he is like most guys though. he DOESNT LISTEN! Its like trying to tell the young newbies that are on each site not to juice.

best i can do for him is give him some sound advice from the masses to try and prevent him from hurting himself.

[Sean Summers]

Anyone who has used slin knows that the glucose tabs you get in the diabetic section don't do shit. Have OJ on hand in case something goes bad. Know the signs - sweating, lips going numb...etc. If his diet isn't on point then he shouldn't be doing slin.
SS

[Sean Summers]

Oh yeah....the most important piece of info ---> MAKE SURE HE KNOWS HOW TO READ AN INSULIN SYRINGE!!!! How many ****ing guys inject 40 iu instead or 4 iu thinking that it looks too small to be right.
SS

[physique]

Thanks SS

[BigWheel]

he is like most guys though. he DOESNT LISTEN! Its like trying to tell the young newbies that are on each site not to juice.

best i can do for him is give him some sound advice from the masses to try and prevent him from hurting himself.

Fair enough bro, as you know shit like this can be frustrating.

[Rrrrolla]

I use 12 to 15iu 3 times a week. I take 3 scoops of quickmass and 1 scoop of regular protien. There are lots of simple and complex carbs in my shake and it works very well. I have not had a crash since I started using this method. And I HAVE crashed HARD before using just dextrose. Dextrose is way too quick to absorb and then you are left with nothing as the slin peaks. I much prefer a drink with both simple and complex carbs. Works like a charm!

[shithead]

I am thinking of running 2-3 iu of gh a day for a year straight. I am planning on using humalog and igf for 3-4 week bursts post work out during that year.

[Mr Ontario]

LoL :)


Oh yeah....the most important piece of info ---> MAKE SURE HE KNOWS HOW TO READ AN INSULIN SYRINGE!!!! How many ****ing guys inject 40 iu instead or 4 iu thinking that it looks too small to be right.
SS

[rottin]

i buy the pure dextrose from a wine brew shop or superstore, its cheap

why the hell didnt i think of that ???

[MuSuLPhReAk]

In Montreal I buy dextrose from La Cuve Du Vin. Very cheap.

[bigdaddydrew123]

I use 12 to 15iu 3 times a week. I take 3 scoops of quickmass and 1 scoop of regular protien. There are lots of simple and complex carbs in my shake and it works very well. I have not had a crash since I started using this method. And I HAVE crashed HARD before using just dextrose. Dextrose is way too quick to absorb and then you are left with nothing as the slin peaks. I much prefer a drink with both simple and complex carbs. Works like a charm!
found that out myself. you dont get the crash as you do with pure dextrose , but you gotta figure out what works for you ,just keep dextrose drinks ready for when you need them