UPDATE: To important question plz read!!!

[daande]

Okay here is the latest. Things are looking bad (at best). Here is an email convo from today:

I said: Wats ur dealio
She said: Not much just working away! And you?
I said: Just wondering why you didnt msg me! How was your workout? (She msges me good morning every morning)
She said: It was really good thanks.

I think I didn’t message you because I am trying to distance myself because I don’t want to lead you on.. I have really thought about it.. and I don’t want to get back together with you.. Nothing has changed from when we did date… I can just see us being friends.. I understand if you don’t want to talk..

This will change our dynamics.. I don’t think it will be appropriate for me to sleep at your house or engage in the other activities..

I said: Just give it a chance I have talked to someone who has told me some stuff. It would be really sad if you already made up your mind. I am actually considering seeking professional help because I now have honestly acknowledged that what I do is not normal. I think that I get jealous when you go out because you had fun without me. I know that isnt normal. Before when I said I changed what I did, I did change what I thought was the problem. Before when we dated it was a trust issue. However, I dealt with that and now its like im jealous you had fun without me. You may not understand this problem, I think that now since I am aware I can put in the effort to make this adjustment because I truely do not want to be that guy. I want you to go out and have fun without me. I want to go out and have fun without you. All I am asking is you dont make up your mind just yet.

She said: I am sorry but I honestly think I have already made my mind up..

I am really happy to hear that you have been talking to someone who has been making you see these things.. which will make your next relationship even better J You need to do it for yourself. I can’t stand your jealousy and your trust issues.. I am willing to be your friend but nothing else.. I have really been thinking about it.. you always want more from me and I don’t want to deal with that.. I don’t think I would be happy with you. You will find someone else who loves you for you..

I never did anything to you for you to have a trust issue with me.. so I am glad you can fix that for your next relationship because its not fair to a person not to trust them when they have never done anything to you.

All I can offer is to be your friend..

I said: You are saying this now because of the last like 2 weeks where I have been a weirdo. If you ever do one thing for me again I need you to unmake up your mind. I could never forgive myself if this was it. I am not asking you to throw yourself at me. I am asking you to just go with the flow and see.

She said: I am sorry but I don’t want to be with you.. I want to be your friend. And that is it.

It hasn’t been just the last 2 weeks.. sure it has gotten worse in the last 2 weeks but we went back to the same bad habits.. we do not have a healthy relationship I am not going to get into this again. Nothing is going to change.. if it was going to it would have changed when we first started hanging out but it didn’t. You are an amazing person but I don’t think I will ever love you like that again.. I will always love you as a friend but that is it..

I want to be happiest I can be.. I don’t want to have to worry about anything I do. And I definitely don’t want to be in a controlling relationship.

You can let me know if you want to be friends or not.. but that is all..

Stop saying this stuff about you could never forgive yourself.. I have been telling you all along we are not together..

I said: It is going to change. I am telling you. You won't believe me until you see it. So at least give yourself the chance to see it.

She said: I’ve made up my mind.

Do not think that we are going to be anything more than friends… Spending this time has shown me that I do not love you in that way.. I’ll always love you as a friend but that it is.


I am going to try to hang out with her and see if I can make the change. If not then I guess its not going to workout and I will have to move on. I probably should have listened to the majority of my friends when her and I started hanging out again.

[theboss]

i say move on and see what happens.

I know you care for her..i have been there..but you can make someone want to be with you and change. All that can happen is her get more angry for not respecting her wishes and charge you with stalking or something. Give it time...just be friends and leave it at that. It sucks but who knows...maybe she will see the changes in you and want to be back with you and you will live happily ever after.

[daande]

i say move on and see what happens.

I know you care for her..i have been there..but you can make someone want to be with you and change. All that can happen is her get more angry for not respecting her wishes and charge you with stalking or something. Give it time...just be friends and leave it at that. It sucks but who knows...maybe she will see the changes in you and want to be back with you and you will live happily ever after.

Does just be friends mean to hang out with her still or are you meaning just say be friends and never hang out?

[natenator]

In my experience getting back together with someone you were once with is never a good idea. I tried it this summer and my gut instincts told me this wasn't a good idea and guess what? It wasn't.

[natenator]

Does just be friends mean to hang out with her still or are you meaning just say be friends and never hang out?
I've never been one who could go from romantic relationship with feelings involved to a friendship where feelings are still involved but no romance and dealing with the fact the other person is likely going out with others and "having fun".

My brain won't allow me to be that way so generally it's just best I cut off ties with those people.

[theboss]

Does just be friends mean to hang out with her still or are you meaning just say be friends and never hang out?

i saw give it some time and go from there...dont press anything.
and i do agree with nate....i have tried..just ends up bad again and again.

[daande]

I've never been one who could go from romantic relationship with feelings involved to a friendship where feelings are still involved but no romance and dealing with the fact the other person is likely going out with others and "having fun".

My brain won't allow me to be that way so generally it's just best I cut off ties with those people.

I will most likely have to cut her off if I find out forsure this is it. Its only been two weeks I have been a douche she says longer but shes just saying this now because of the last 2 weeks.

[waderow]

The most important part here Daande:

youre still trying to control her!


Tell her you are sorry, and yes, it would be a shame to never talk to her again, but resign to the fact that it is likely over. Go to counseling, and maybe in time, she will see that you have in fact changed. But right now, you are trying to make her change her mind.
WALK, but dont lose touch

[BBbox]

Do you want to change for yourself or for her?

If you really want to change, you should do so, whether she is a part of your life or not.

Then, there may come a time when you get back together, or maybe not...

But if this is REALLY something you want to do you should follow through regardless of whether you think she will take you back or not. If you just go back to your old ways... well then your promises to change were clearly unfounded and only based on wanting HER not wanting to actually be a better person. In which case you are better off not together anyways.

I recommend against being friends you will probably only be more hurt by spending time with someone who doesnt return the feelings you have

[gicantor]

ouch bro. I've was just down a similar road. If she doesn't take you back I recommend cutting all ties it will make it easier.

[daande]

I do wanna fix this problem because I realize its not normal at all. I think I can overcome it now that I realize its a problem. You can't make someone love you, so if she truely doesn't love me then I guess thats that. I am going to be her friend because I do enjoy hanging out with her. If it gets to hard for me to do that then I guess I will have to completely stop talking to her which is what we did for 4 months, we stopped talking at all except for maybe a few txt msges once a month or so. These types of situations really do blow. I am on a cycle right now and today I do not feel at all like hitting the gym..I think it is because the weather is also completely garbage outside (rain/fog/dark). I am now contemplating to stop bulking up and hop on the t3/clen and cut out all carbs for the remainder of my cycle to get completely shredded out.

[BBbox]

gunna go back to all the sluts now? should we anticipate some stories to come?

[daande]

gunna go back to all the sluts now? should we anticipate some stories to come?

I dunno man I find when you go out and look for a slut thats what you find. I am going to try to surround myself with normal girls. Which right now isnt looking like there are many out there. There may be some stories but maybe not. I am going to try not to **** rando's.

[tex]

I am going to try not to **** rando's. bro....this is easy....keep your cock in your pants!

[LonelyBedouin]

I do wanna fix this problem because I realize its not normal at all. I think I can overcome it now that I realize its a problem. You can't make someone love you, so if she truely doesn't love me then I guess thats that. I am going to be her friend because I do enjoy hanging out with her. If it gets to hard for me to do that then I guess I will have to completely stop talking to her which is what we did for 4 months, we stopped talking at all except for maybe a few txt msges once a month or so. These types of situations really do blow. I am on a cycle right now and today I do not feel at all like hitting the gym..I think it is because the weather is also completely garbage outside (rain/fog/dark). I am now contemplating to stop bulking up and hop on the t3/clen and cut out all carbs for the remainder of my cycle to get completely shredded out.

Your best bet is to pack up and move on, I still had feelings for a Ex of mine and unfortunately she felt the same was to me as your ex does to you, nothing more than friendship. I tried hanging out with her but it was to weird because I always wanted more. It led to nothing good, just awkward conversations.

[Durk]

I would give her a lot of space. Chasing her more will just dig yourself further into a hole to the point of being that crazy stalker ex B/F, that chicks talk about.

Someone like you should know that when the guy is doing 100% of the chasing hes got no chance. The only way I see it happening is if you take away all of your needyness from her and she sees you as a completely grounded person with normal relationships she might regain her attraction for you.

When you really could care less, she will want you the most its sad but true.

The chances of even this working is on the border of a fairy tail disney movie ending. Its a long shot, but it is your best shot.

I really think you should work your issues out for yourself if you really do care about changing them, so that future relationships do not suffer. To be honest I think you burned that bridge dude.

My prescription is to atleast bang 4 randoms just to get her out of your head a bit so you can think a little clearer, then work on yourself from there. Stay friends if you can handle respecting her boundries or that hole will just keep getting deeper.

[monkey]

Whatever you do.. stop asking her to come back..

My guess is that she most likely kinda means what she said.. The most important thing is that you are probably annoying her by asking her to come back snf trying ot krrp touch up.
She is used to you being around and she will miss you... if you make her miss you. I am not saying that you never talk to her again, but drop the drama, just ask her how she's doing, tell her about your progress .

nobody enjoys drama and chances are that she doesn't want to see you crushed either..

SHe might come back or not, but I believe that moving on ( or at least kinda pretending) and making her miss you is a better option then trying to force her to come back ( forcing in a subtle way, eg. ) ..

Obviously dificult to give you advice without knowing you tho..

[Pullverisor]

In my experience getting back together with someone you were once with is never a good idea. I tried it this summer and my gut instincts told me this wasn't a good idea and guess what? It wasn't.
Agreed totally. It almost never works just as it didn't the first time. Unless the circumstances that previously broke you apart have been completely rectified and resolved... what's the sense of it? Why would those issues magically not be a factor this time around? Ask any divorce attorney how many couples they've seen try this and fail miserably. Let go of the past in order to make yourself open for the new. There's that saying "learn from the past or you're doomed to repeat it."

[PdH]

My prescription is to atleast bang 4 randoms just to get her out of your head a bit so you can think a little clearer, then work on yourself from there.

Now that your collaborator has given you the standard dysfunctional advice, I'll chime in. Banging 4 randoms is something a child would do because they aren't strong enough to deal with their own emotional pain, so they think someone else can remedy it for them. It's not a remedy though, it's a temporary reprieve, exactly like a drug addict looking for escape from themselves by shooting shit in their tired deteriorating veins. You can't escape yourself though, and banging randoms doesn't fix anything, it just shoves your issues deeper into your festering pit of despair, which will have to deal with at some point.

If you go bang randoms as your coping mechanism, you fall right back into the same behaviour that you apparently want to change. Think of it like an addict who thinks they can just do one more hit and then quit. If you want to change, then be a man and deal with your pain, instead of using others to try and escape it. Eventually you'll find you can deal with it, and you won't have to escape it, but for the time being feel every ****ing agonizing bit of it. Escape is for weak child-men looking for surrogate mothers to make it all better for them.

[daande]

Update again, this is a good thing. I know it doesnt mean much and still does not have a great outlook and I am not getting my hopes up but its definitely a step forward from yesterday and the day before.

I said: Goodmorning what's up?
She said: Hey!

Just got to work a bit ago! And yourself?
I said: I'm just heading to [place]. How was ur drive today?
I said: Sooo I have a proposition for you. During my meditation last night i
thought ofthis. We pick one day/night of the week for example Saturday where
we hang out. Obviously if one of us had something we could move the day for
that week. I think this will either become something we look foreward to
each week or something we resent having to do each week. What are your
thoughts?
She said: Wow that is really early for you lol! How is [place] going??

My drive to work was fine!

She said: Sure we could do something one time per week. That sounds fine to me.. but I
don't want to commit to a day.

I said:
I think it's a fantastic idea. I wish I started meditating sooner than 2
nights ago. I think it will be a very constructive and positive thing for
both of us! How do you suggest we choose a day? Like at the begining of the
week or what?

She said: For you.. there is no us.. I don't know.. I am really busy right now.. so
will just have to go with the flow.

I said (she is going away shopping this weekend): I know there is no us. I understand if you are too busy this week we can
just start this next week.

She said:Yah ill see... If I can get together tonight ill msg you.

A bunch of random unimportang emails were exchanged

I said: What time is ur soccer tonight?

She said: I just checked and it is 7.. I don't want to get together this week.. soo we
can get together sometime next week.. sound good

I said: Yup that's fine with me I didn't think I'd see you this week anyways.

She said: Okay perfect!! What are you working on at [place] today?

I said:Hanging doors..

She said: Sounds fun lol.. are you having an open house this weekend?

I said:No the kitchen isn't getting put in until Tuesday.

She said: Oooooh!

Then I did not say anything back and about an hour later she sent me another email which sparked another conversation

[Pec]

Leave it to her to initiate the conversations... don't talk to her everyday, and definitely do not hound her on when she can get together next week, if she doesn't bring it up, you shouldn't either.

[daande]

Leave it to her to initiate the conversations... don't talk to her everyday, and definitely do not hound her on when she can get together next week, if she doesn't bring it up, you shouldn't either.

I dont think I was hounding her on when to hang out at all during the conversation.

[AlladdinSane]

I dont think I was hounding her on when to hang out at all during the conversation.

You didn't...


...buuuut perception is everything. You initiated the convo = she felt hounded. How she feels about the contact you two have with one another is everything.

COMPLETELY LEAVE HER ALONE.

[BBbox]

i think she really just wants to be friends dude

its going to be hard for you to deal when she starts seeing other people

[natenator]

You didn't...


...buuuut perception is everything. You initiated the convo = she felt hounded. How she feels about the contact you two have with one another is everything.

COMPLETELY LEAVE HER ALONE.
Agreed. Stop txting, everything. When she asks what's up (and she will) just say you gave what she said some thought and she was right - time to back away.

The fact she had to remind you that there is no "us" says something...

[theboss]

Agreed. Stop txting, everything. When she asks what's up (and she will) just say you gave what she said some thought and she was right - time to back away.

The fact she had to remind you that there is no "us" says something...


TRUE WORDS HERE.

distance yourself unless she initiates conversation or meeting..you DONT do it.
hang out with your guy friends, get your life sorted out if you have other issues or problems to deal with and eventually start dating OTHER girls.

[natenator]

TRUE WORDS HERE.

distance yourself unless she initiates conversation or meeting..you DONT do it.
hang out with your guy friends, get your life sorted out if you have other issues or problems to deal with and eventually start dating OTHER girls.
keyword: dating.

Not ****ing randoms.

[Durk]

Now that your collaborator has given you the standard dysfunctional advice, I'll chime in. Banging 4 randoms is something a child would do because they aren't strong enough to deal with their own emotional pain, so they think someone else can remedy it for them. It's not a remedy though, it's a temporary reprieve, exactly like a drug addict looking for escape from themselves by shooting shit in their tired deteriorating veins. You can't escape yourself though, and banging randoms doesn't fix anything, it just shoves your issues deeper into your festering pit of despair, which will have to deal with at some point.

If you go bang randoms as your coping mechanism, you fall right back into the same behaviour that you apparently want to change. Think of it like an addict who thinks they can just do one more hit and then quit. If you want to change, then be a man and deal with your pain, instead of using others to try and escape it. Eventually you'll find you can deal with it, and you won't have to escape it, but for the time being feel every ****ing agonizing bit of it. Escape is for weak child-men looking for surrogate mothers to make it all better for them.

blah blah blah who doesnt have a little fun after something serious falls appart. Even girls do it now. If he thinks its that big of a problem for him then he can disregard the last part.

[natenator]

blah blah blah who doesnt have a little fun after something serious falls appart. Even girls do it now. If he thinks its that big of a problem for him then he can disregard the last part.
the serious part fell apart 4 months ago and he went out andf did what you just suggested. The fact he said he doesn't want to do that suggests he knows it to be empty. Feel good about yourself for 5 mins and shitty for the rest of the time before it happens again.

[Durk]

I only skimmed through the thread. I usually think thats the best thing for someone to do when they had their ex on a pedastil, but given his history maybe its not for him even though it was way back in the summer.

Now that we have more people on this forum taking a vow of celebacy, maybe we should get cbb celebacy rings lol

[daande]

I am not taking a vow of celebacy but there will be no more going to a bar with the goal of getting a bj or ****ing a random. I want to find nice normal girls who would never **** a random.

EDIT: The problem is where are nice normal girls now-a-days?

[BBbox]

Now that we have more people on this forum taking a vow of celebacy, maybe we should get cbb celebacy rings lol

who has taken this celebacy vow?

[BBbox]

EDIT: The problem is where are nice normal girls now-a-days?

The gym
School-- class
Coffee shops
Grocery store
Dog park

Pretty much anywhere BUT the bar haha

[waderow]

you can find good ones on POF but you have to have a well done profile, and not be looking for nitwits.

[daande]

The gym = I thought girls wanted to be left alone at the gym
School-- class = ZERO girls in computer engineering
Coffee shops = Don't know how to approach a random normal girl
Grocery store = Don't know how to approach a random normal girl
Dog park = Don't know how to approach a random normal girl

[L3]

The Game - Neil Strauss


very very good book, i found the ebook on a pirate site, converted to .txt and read it on my bberry... definately changed how i socially interact with women, at least when i meet them

[BBbox]

You just are getting out of this relationship and previously spent alot of time sleeping with randoms.

Why dont you spend some time WITHOUT constantly needing a girl?

Just do your own thing for awhile, work on yourself. You cant be happy with someone else until your happy with yourself. I recommened not immediately rushing into a rebound situation.

[Durk]

who has taken this celebacy vow?

me since the beggining of this month, and nate was as well, but not sure if he is still.

[L3]

nate if you are done boning that blonde goddess send her my way, will give green!!

[Durk]

ok then just me lol. It hasnt been easy I have had to take extra shifts just to keep busy and away from the bar.

[BBbox]

ok then just me lol. It hasnt been easy I have had to take extra shifts just to keep busy and away from the bar.

why are you sworn to celebacy?

[natenator]

I am not taking a vow of celebacy but there will be no more going to a bar with the goal of getting a bj or ****ing a random. I want to find nice normal girls who would never **** a random.

EDIT: The problem is where are nice normal girls now-a-days?
If I knew that I wouldn't still be single

But then again, I'm fairly picking. Having experienced a long-term relationship in the past (7+ years) and a wasted 8 months with a girl this year I know what I want and am looking for. Not picky on the fact they need to be a 10 or whatever because I am most certainly not either but picky on the interests, goals, personality, etc - the things that endear you to a person long after the attraction part has died down.

[natenator]

The gym = I thought girls wanted to be left alone at the gym
School-- class = ZERO girls in computer engineering
Coffee shops = Don't know how to approach a random normal girl
Grocery store = Don't know how to approach a random normal girl
Dog park = Don't know how to approach a random normal girl
I'm with you on that. I never figured out how to approach a woman at the gym because like you I don't wish to bother them just as I wouldn't want to be bothered.

Same with the other places. Bar is easy to make an approach because, really, its expected.

[natenator]

me since the beggining of this month, and nate was as well, but not sure if he is still.
wtf, I never took this vow!

Don't bring me into your web lol

I just don't go out LOOKING for it and rarely bang a babe I met at a bar the same night. Get her number, find out how dirty she is through text sort of thing then pow pow pow :D

[Big D]

I think really the only way to find a nice girl these days, is pretty much through friends, that type of deal.

[LD4HW]

Your right. Most girls don't like to be bothered at the gym, excepts for the ones showing off their booty and walking on the treadmill at 2.3 with 3 tons of make-up on? Hello Circus f'n freaks.

Then you get the gym weirdos staring at us girls esp. hardcore trainers.

[tex]

you need some time alone. its like you cant stand the thought of not having someone around. 1 more thing.....meditation pisses me off :)

[Durk]

why are you sworn to celebacy?

Going to try to build relationships based on things other than sex.

[kidmode]

I'm with you on that. I never figured out how to approach a woman at the gym because like you I don't wish to bother them just as I wouldn't want to be bothered.

Same with the other places. Bar is easy to make an approach because, really, its expected.

It would be nice to be able to easily meet girls at the gym. I mean, we all want to meet girls with similar interests. I think it's just how you approach them. I've met a few girls because I asked them where a peice of equipment was and then I go workout. If I see them again in a couple days I go up and say "Hey how's it going?". Well, thats how I was at the university, there aren't any girls my age that workout at my current gym. Some super fine 25-30 year olds though lol but I have no experience approaching older woman haha.

I've been experimenting with some other things. I was sitting by a couple girls in the library. They kept giggling about their biology so I made fun of them. I asked one out for coffee but she claimed to have a boyfriend. She seemed sincere about it since we had been talking for a while, but who knows. I said "Too bad" then wished her good luck and left.

There's lots of opportunities to meet girls on campus. Library, cafeteria, lineup at tim hortons. Two girls were talking to a guy named Ryan and then when he left they started saying he was pretty cute. I turned around and said "Oh you think Ryan is pretty cute?" They both went red in the face and were like "omg u know Ryan". I said "No, i just wanted to see your reaction" and then introduced myself. It was a pretty funny conversation.


I think really the only way to find a nice girl these days, is pretty much through friends, that type of deal.

Networking is huge. A lot of girls I know are through association.

[AlladdinSane]

^^^What a monster!

[Pec]

[QUOTE=kidmode;321431]Some super fine 25-30 year olds though lol but I have no experience approaching older woman haha.


Aand that is the one thing I miss about working out at a better gym... Haha. I never see 25-30 year old girls at the gym.

[simone]

The gym = I thought girls wanted to be left alone at the gym
School-- class = ZERO girls in computer engineering
Coffee shops = Don't know how to approach a random normal girl
Grocery store = Don't know how to approach a random normal girl
Dog park = Don't know how to approach a random normal girl

I would suggest 2 things

Either talk to your buddies who pick up alot of girls outside of clubs, and ask them how they do it...

or read "The game" and then get into some other dating stuff.. its not cheesy, and lots of good "theory" and will help open your eyes

most guys will just say "i don't know what to say"... but once u learn how to communicate wiht women, it will be easy.

The gym - I would say most girls want to be left alone while at the gym... even though they dress to pickup lol...here's some "openers"

run beside a chick you think is attractive.. start up.. then look at her and say hey "i'm feeling kinda tired wanna run my last mile for me??" i tried it and worked.

i stole this one, but once started flirting with a chick at the gym and she said "sorry i have a boyfriend".. i replied "that's great.. i'm happy for you... but just so you know that's a pretty common thing nowadays, so maybe you shouldn't go around telling total strangers that".. she came up later with her phone number... :)

School - campus is a goldmine... and same with the other places you listed... just need to learn how to communicate and have 10-15 openers kinda in your head and the rest is easy...

Most guys FEAR to open women.. where most women WANT a guy to just come up and talk to them... it makes their day.

[L3]

here are my openers i developed after reading the Game:

@ nightgame
"My buddy and i were just talking about this, but i need a girls opinion: Who cheats more, men or women?"

"You look bored" - sounds lame, but i got a #close and then a FullClose

"Looks like the party's over here"

@ daygame (way way way harder than nightgame)
"Whats good to eat here?" - waiting in line at food court

"I need a woman's opinion on this gift idea *****"

"you look like you know your way aroudn the mall, can you show me where this store is?"


if im in the mood to pick up girls, ill usually day game first, try to open 5-7. get rejected 95% of the time, but thats the point. by the time you are at the bar doing nightgame, your ego wont be an issues and your fear of rejection will be diminished, allowing you to be more comfortable & as a result more confident

[daande]

here are my openers i developed after reading the Game:

@ nightgame
"My buddy and i were just talking about this, but i need a girls opinion: Who cheats more, men or women?"

"You look bored" - sounds lame, but i got a #close and then a FullClose

"Looks like the party's over here"

@ daygame (way way way harder than nightgame)
"Whats good to eat here?" - waiting in line at food court

"I need a woman's opinion on this gift idea *****"

"you look like you know your way aroudn the mall, can you show me where this store is?"


if im in the mood to pick up girls, ill usually day game first, try to open 5-7. get rejected 95% of the time, but thats the point. by the time you are at the bar doing nightgame, your ego wont be an issues and your fear of rejection will be diminished, allowing you to be more comfortable & as a result more confident

My nightgame isnt the problem when I wanna pickup at a bar I can but I need daytime because you will never find a normal girl at a bar well if you do you are lucky.

[daande]

I called her tonight because she told me she was going to some visitation for this kid she went to highschool with who killed himself and I knew she was going away to the states this weekend. Anyways, at the end of the convo I said have a fun time this weekend (I have never said that to her in 4 years). She actually paused for like 4 seconds like she didnt know what to say and said thank you you too goodnight. Anyways, it goes to show how something so little can demolish a relationship. Anyways, to anyone reading this if you truely love someone and they tell you they dont like something you are doing you should listen to them because with abit of effort you can not do that something. That little something could make him/her leave you in an instant. Thats what I have learned from this.

[Durk]

How uncreative, you guys actually script what you say to girls lol.

My one and only pickup line is "I think you could be my future ex whife" Works good honestly.

Shes at a clothing store talk to her about the clothes get her oppinion of what shirts or whatever look good on a guy. Then tell her a fun interesting story about yourself and if shes into you get to know her hobbies and whatever better so she thinks your really interested in her.

Sub in clothing store for wherever your at if your at, starbucks ask her what shes drinking, or about the book shes reading there are tons of ways to spark a convo.

I like to improvise with what I am going to say. It teaches you to think faster on you feet.

[Durk]

Most guys FEAR to open women.. where most women WANT a guy to just come up and talk to them... it makes their day.

very true I have opened girls with the lamest crap during the day, and held on as long as I could just to see how long they would talk to me, and after a while they started to try and keep the convo going when I wanted to leave lol.

[simone]

How uncreative, you guys actually script what you say to girls lol.

My one and only pickup line is "I think you could be my future ex whife" Works good honestly.

Shes at a clothing store talk to her about the clothes get her oppinion of what shirts or whatever look good on a guy. Then tell her a fun interesting story about yourself and if shes into you get to know her hobbies and whatever better so she thinks your really interested in her.

Sub in clothing store for wherever your at if your at, starbucks ask her what shes drinking, or about the book shes reading there are tons of ways to spark a convo.

I like to improvise with what I am going to say. It teaches you to think faster on you feet.

future ex wife one is good.. i prefer to do that one in texting to flirt.. could spice it up like "but when we get divorced i'll keep the house in hawaii and the convertible.. u get ..... etc. etc." some good bickering can go on.

i do'nt really have "planned openers".. but always have some fresh in my mind just incase...

but just like comedy.. just gotta practice and try on as many chicks as possible... here's some i pulled that worked great..

-some chick had these bedazlled jeans that she probably paid alot for... and i looked at her and said "hey.. did you bedazlle those yourself?" lol she was shocked but worked to open

-some smoking hot chick at the bar asked me to buy her a drink... i ordered her "a glass of milk.. in a sippy cup".. lol.. worked.

for day game... like starbucks... you could always ask the girl behind counter what her favourite is, hten order something else lol... and hold onto your cash tight when they go to take it.. and then they'll try again... and do it again.. then just drop it and be like oh your so lame..

same shit at restaurant... ask them for a suggestion... can either get something else and be like "i don't trust your opinon".. or get it, then when ask how it is be like its horrible.. u should get your manager over here..

day game you have to be more direct i think..

and i would text them before you meet up with them, tease them.. be like "hey i'm luring girls back to my place... what do you prefer? m&m's or skittles??" and then see what they say.. one guy i know had a girl text back "skittles, because i like to taste the rainbow"... lol.. could follow it up like "ok but don't eat too many, i do'nt want you getting fat for the pillow fight".. and just keep rolling with it... lots of teasing

anyway, why do i have a gf?? shit i love hitting on chicks lol...