Toddler who died after fall at Pearson airport

[Spyder122]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/Toddler-who-died-after-15-metre-fall-at-airport-wiggled-out-of-moms-arms.html?viewAllComments=y


This is a very sad tragedy. I really feel for the parents, especially the mother of the child. She's gonna need therapy for life.

[theboss]

very sad.

[waderow]

tragic...

and some people aren't meant to be parents. Totally unnecessary accident.

[natenator]

and some people aren't meant to be parents.

why do you say that as it relates to this story?

[waderow]

who the **** has their kid dangling anywhere near certain death and is not cognizant of that hazard?

thats why I said
and some people aren't meant to be parents. Totally unnecessary accident.

[natenator]

who the **** has their kid dangling anywhere near certain death and is not cognizant of that hazard?

thats why I said
as you said, it was an accident.

People do things like that all the time. People leave their kids in the car for a second while they run into the store to get something. People accidentally forget to lock the gate on their pool which their or another child wanders into.

Does that make them bad parents or that they shouldn't be parents at all? I don't think so. It was an accident.

I am sure you will do something stupid as a parent which *could* (and I say could because usually nothing ever comes of it) have a negative impact on your child's life or well being.

[talon05]

I totaly have to agree this was unnessecary and who wants to bet a lawsuit is sure to be filed...WOW is all i gotta say.. I can only imagine how devistated the parents are but still it only takes a second.. My wife and i have a big family we have 5 boys
and we are like hawks when it comes to our kids....

[waderow]

as you said, it was an accident.

People do things like that all the time. People leave their kids in the car for a second while they run into the store to get something. People accidentally forget to lock the gate on their pool which their or another child wanders into.

Does that make them bad parents or that they shouldn't be parents at all? I don't think so. It was an accident.

I am sure you will do something stupid as a parent which *could* (and I say could because usually nothing ever comes of it) have a negative impact on your child's life or well being.

there is making a mistake..........such as forgetting to latch a gate, or leaving the tylenol bottle cap loose. And then there is having your kid in your arm over a 15metre drop while the little guy is causing a fuss. To me, it is not the same ballpark, or league.

[natenator]

I totaly have to agree this was unnessecary and who wants to bet a lawsuit is sure to be filed...WOW is all i gotta say.. I can only imagine how devistated the parents are but still it only takes a second.. My wife and i have a big family we have 5 boys
and we are like hawks when it comes to our kids....
I see dumber acts of bad parenting every ****ing day. My mom never held me over a railing or put me directly in danger but I can tell you for a fact she was a bad parent.

If this is your barometer for a bad parent then you need to open your eyes because this is hardly what I call the norm. This is a freak accident that happened. Shall we compare freak accidents to those COMMON occurrences of physical, sexual and mental abuse from parents to their children???

I'd say the latter more a prerequisite for needing a test to be a parent than the freak accidents are.

[waderow]

I see dumber acts of bad parenting every ****ing day. My mom never held me over a railing or put me directly in danger but I can tell you for a fact she was a bad parent.

If this is your barometer for a bad parent then you need to open your eyes because this is hardly what I call the norm. This is a freak accident that happened. Shall we compare freak accidents to those COMMON occurrences of physical, sexual and mental abuse from parents to their children???

I'd say the latter more a prerequisite for needing a test to be a parent than the freak accidents are.

oh trust me... If I ruled the world there would be a lot of sterilized people. \

prime example: Look at cheeses parents....

[natenator]

there is making a mistake..........such as forgetting to latch a gate, or leaving the tylenol bottle cap loose. And then there is having your kid in your arm over a 15metre drop while the little guy is causing a fuss. To me, it is not the same ballpark, or league.
It's only different because you are saying it is different. A mistake is a mistake. Leaving a gate open, door unlocked or open pill bottles still can have the same outcome and doesn't necessarily make you a bad parent. It means you are human and sadly will suffer the consequences of your actions for which in this case I cannot imagine the torture that is about to be brought.

[natenator]

oh trust me... If I ruled the world there would be a lot of sterilized people. \

prime example: Look at cheeses parents....
I bet some would have said the same about you back in your younger days ;)

[waderow]

It's only different because you are saying it is different. A mistake is a mistake. Leaving a gate open, door unlocked or open pill bottles still can have the same outcome and doesn't necessarily make you a bad parent. It means you are human and sadly will suffer the consequences of your actions for which in this case I cannot imagine the torture that is about to be brought.

yes, but one is light years more stupid then the other, and should have been setting off some little alarm bells in the moms head, or otherwise tingling some spidey senses that dangling the kid over a railing is not the best thing to be doing. In fact, I would say she should have her other kid(s) taken away and be investigated for murder for doing such a blatantly dangerous thing

[waderow]

I bet some would have said the same about you back in your younger days ;)

not one. even when I was my worst, I was still revered and loved by all. Kind of like Tristan in Legends of the Fall. Broke all the rules and everyone still loved him more...

:p

edit: except I didnt have nice long hair... it was buzzed

[natenator]

yes, but one is light years more stupid then the other, and should have been setting off some little alarm bells in the moms head, or otherwise tingling some spidey senses that dangling the kid over a railing is not the best thing to be doing. In fact, I would say she should have her other kid(s) taken away and be investigated for murder for doing such a blatantly dangerous thing
Must be awesome being so perfect huh?

[waderow]

Must be awesome being so perfect huh?

are you serious in your belief that dangling your child over a 15m drop is okay, and just a little mistake.... a momentary lapse in judgment?

I thought you were just initiating an interesting debate and taking the role of devils advocate....but youre serious arent you

[buildinthaskinnys]

are you serious in your belief that dangling your child over a 15m drop is okay, and just a little mistake.... a momentary lapse in judgment?

I thought you were just initiating an interesting debate and taking the role of devils advocate....but youre serious arent you

You were there, you would know.

[waderow]

You were there, you would know.

I know I am above average intelligence, but you don't need to be a rocket scientist, or you don't need to be there to know, that anywhere a 15month toddler could struggle out of your arms and drop 15metres to his death is the wrong place for any child, and you are stupid for having the child in that place. Criminally negligent even, but at a minimum.... a horrible ****ing parent.

edit: if that bitch sues the airport for not having adequate signs and guards, I hope someone loses it

[natenator]

are you serious in your belief that dangling your child over a 15m drop is okay, and just a little mistake.... a momentary lapse in judgment?

I thought you were just initiating an interesting debate and taking the role of devils advocate....but youre serious arent you
I'm saying shit happens and things that happen because of a mistake are far different than things that happen because of outright bad behaviour/intentions like abusing your child.

She did not dangle her kid over the railing. She was standing near the railing and the kid making a fuss. This is a common thing that happens EVERY DAY in our lives. It does not make someone a bad parent. It was an accident - a very tragic one.

You will obviously be a perfect parent for your child.

[waderow]

I'm saying shit happens and things that happen because of a mistake are far different than things that happen because of outright bad behaviour/intentions like abusing your child.

She did not dangle her kid over the railing. She was standing near the railing and the kid making a fuss. This is a common thing that happens EVERY DAY in our lives. It does not make someone a bad parent. It was an accident - a very tragic one.

You will obviously be a perfect parent for your child.

okay. gotcha. comparing it to premeditated child abuse isn't fair, but I agree, as that is a disgusting crime in its own.

My point is that the kid should not have been anywhere near that railing, and having him so close that he can just pop out of his moms arms to his death is negligence, and as bad as dangling him over. Highly stupid, butnot worth arguing over.

Where the **** is Dremen. I want to talk to him about his lifts.

[marino]

very sad.

X2

[Delt King]

Honestly as a parent of 2 little guys if that ever happened to me i'd never be able to live with myself. I feel sorry for the parents they'll never be the same again.
It's a tragedy of the worst kind. Parents should never have to bury their kids.

However their are plenty of adults i wouldn't mind tossing off a tall building.

[natenator]

okay. gotcha. comparing it to premeditated child abuse isn't fair, but I agree, as that is a disgusting crime in its own.

My point is that the kid should not have been anywhere near that railing, and having him so close that he can just pop out of his moms arms to his death is negligence, and as bad as dangling him over. Highly stupid, butnot worth arguing over.

Where the **** is Dremen. I want to talk to him about his lifts.
Just pop? LOL

Never held a squirming, fussing kid have you? Bahahahah

I am no parent but I have held a kid that DID NOT want to be held and **** me it's like those little bastards are covered in grease or some shit. I quickly gave said kid back to her mother because I actually feared I may drop him.

[ironwill]

Just pop? LOL

Never held a squirming, fussing kid have you? Bahahahah

I am no parent but I have held a kid that DID NOT want to be held and **** me it's like those little bastards are covered in grease or some shit. I quickly gave said kid back to her mother because I actually feared I may drop him.

which date was this????lolol

Did you guys go to funland after......
you and wade are getting ready to run for office arent you guys.....Polishing up your debate skills i see....

[natenator]

which date was this????lolol

Did you guys go to funland after......
you and wade are getting ready to run for office arent you guys.....Polishing up your debate skills i see....
wade is the one with a fiance who not too long ago liked playland and lived in diapers :D

[ironwill]

ah, damn it...trying to get my stories straight....entertaining none the less....:p

[waderow]

wade is the one with a fiance who not too long ago liked playland and lived in diapers :D

lol 10 years ago I was managing a lumber yard, and she was in grade 6

[theboss]

we are the world.............
we are the children...............

[guest]

lol at you two:D

if it was me, the kid would never be placed up there in the first place. not saying i am not prone to accidents....just saying i'm a little more cautious when it comes to another's life. what a horrible tragedy, i can't imagine what that family will be going through for the rest of their lives.

[natenator]

lol at you two:D

if it was me, the kid would never be placed up there in the first place. not saying i am not prone to accidents....just saying i'm a little more cautious when it comes to another's life. what a horrible tragedy, i can't imagine what that family will be going through for the rest of their lives.
Up where?

The kid was in the mothers arms who was standing *near* a railing. Not on the railing, not dangling over the railing but *near* the railing.

[waderow]

very near......

[CanadianIron]

Stupid parents IMO... I feel nervous carrying my kid within arms reach of a single stair. How you could be throwing yourself around with a kid in your arms way up on a balcony is beyond me. Its not stupid parenting, its just stupid living. Darwinism working through the generations... sad either way. They should make it illegal to carry your kids in your arms anywhere near a railing. When you're carrying a kid, its hard to see your feet and its easy to trip. I can imagine this has happened many times before.

[natenator]

Hmmm, my mom and that of many parents I knew used to let us ride our bikes without helmets. They all knew we could fall (and often did) and hit our heads but no one I ever grew up with wore a helmet riding their bike.

Bad parenting?

[waderow]

nope.... but dangling the kid over a railing and dropping him and getting him killed could possibly be considered bad parenting

[natenator]

nope.... but dangling the kid over a railing and dropping him and getting him killed could possibly be considered bad parenting
Why not bad parenting for letting us ride our bikes without a helmet?

[waderow]

okay, I will agree with the bike thing, but then you should have to have a parachute to be dangled over railings (by your logic)

[Spyder122]

Why not bad parenting for letting us ride our bikes without a helmet?

Yeah, you could have rode your bike off the road into the ditch and crack your head open on a ......big rock.

[Spyder122]

okay, I will agree with the bike thing, but then you should have to have a parachute to be dangled over railings (by your logic)

In a sick sad way I could see a commercial clip for that as a Saturday Night skit.

I'm so horrible.

[natenator]

okay, I will agree with the bike thing, but then you should have to have a parachute to be dangled over railings (by your logic)
All I am trying to say is where do we draw the line? There is bad parenting which are things that are obvious like abusing your children, letting them play with sharpe knives, french kissing the light socket, etc and then there are things which mistakes and accidents like this incident which does not mean someone is a bad parent. They had a momentary lapse in judgment and they are going to pay dearly for it.

[ironwill]

We used to ride 4-5 in a regular cab pick-up with 3 on the tree, no seatbelts, getting smacked up side the head when out of line...No parental abuse charges, and we all lived...Im gonna charge my mom with abuse....lol...
Different times they were, i think we have gone to far in many senses, kids dont have common sense anymore, because they are to sheltered......
Ok im off topic, the no bike helmets took me back in time.....

[waderow]

All I am trying to say is where do we draw the line? There is bad parenting which are things that are obvious like abusing your children, letting them play with sharpe knives, french kissing the light socket, etc and then there are things which mistakes and accidents like this incident which does not mean someone is a bad parent. They had a momentary lapse in judgment and they are going to pay dearly for it.

falling over a 15m railing is certain death
falling on your bike is part of growing up.


there is the difference

[CanadianIron]

^ There have been several people that have fallen out of crashing planes at over 30,000ft and have lived...

But your point is correct, falling off your bike is going to hurt helmet or not, i remember having skinned knees for like 2 years straight when I was a kid.

The difference between a parent letting you learn how to ride a bike and this situation is the parent is 100% responsible for this accident. Its like teaching your kid how to ride a bike and then being the one to hit him with your own car.