Just bought a new LCD T.V and my pic sucks ass

[ergie]

Just as the topic states.......... Went and bought a nice new 52" LCD 1080 T.V brought it home and my picture totally sucks ass. It looked so much more nice in the store, the pic is all blury and is just not what I expected. Not impressed :(

[MuSuLPhReAk]

What brand and model?

[Mr.Freeze]

HD or FullHD?

[ergie]

It's full HD LG 1080, can't find the model number on the website but I'll check it out and let you know. It wasn't cheap so I dunno maybe I connected something wrong, kind of dummy proof though aren't they?

[Mr.Freeze]

do you use starchoice or expressvu? is your terminal HD?

[ergie]

I use a digital cable box and no it is not HD capable well it is but its a different box and it costs another $500.

[Mr.Freeze]

lol thats the reason ferg!
i got a HD plasma tv and a HDterminal and if i look at the regular channel it look like shit but if i look at the HD channels then its a nother story!
your tv was built for HD channel so if you look at aregular channel then thats what happen so a regular plasma tv works better on regular channel but not on HD. And if you have the chance to use a BLU-RAY or HDDVD :D you will be speachless:eek:

[ergie]

You've got to be kidding me, so a regular channel wich I watch the most is gonna look like shit? How come the tv looked so much better in the store? Must have been on an HD channel then?

[pseclint]

yea with HD if your dont have an HD source hooked up to the TV it will look aweful and grainy........ is yoru tv 1080i or 1080p..........

also make sure the resolution on the box is set right for the TV.........

[fathead]

as quoted you need a hd source to enjoy your tv... infact regular cable will look much worse on one of these tv's than your standard old school tube television.

also, make sure you are using a HDMI cable to connect your source (hd box) to your tv. These are not cheap either!

Is it 1080i or 1080p? BIG difference between the 2.

The tv in the store has the highest resolution running through it... they have it linked up to hd dvds or at least hd cable. Your tv should actually look better at home than it did in the store if you do everything right cause they have their signal broken up so many times the quality decreases.

Also, you bought a 52" which is a BIG tv. most guys buy a tv that is too big for their viewing distance cause they think bigger is better. the further you sit from a tv the better it will look. In the store you dont realize that youre probably standing 15-20' away from the thing and the height of the ceilings throws that off too. Make sure you are sitting at least a MINIMUM of 3x the height of the screen away from it or it will look grainy as shit. Your average apartment cant handle more than a 40" tv... maybe a 46" if you have a large condo with a wide living room.

hope this helps, good luck

[shithead]

Just buy the ****in HD box. Unless you have 120hz the picture of reg. TV will look like shit.

Did the sales rep not tell you to get an HD box??

Once ya get the box you're gonna want a gold Monster HDMI cable to connect your box to the TV.

[shithead]

If you play a DVD even through a video component cable it will look alright, try it out.

[Bowlcut]

You've got to be kidding me, so a regular channel wich I watch the most is gonna look like shit? How come the tv looked so much better in the store? Must have been on an HD channel then?

Is it not a ****en racket?
Apparently a digit box is not HD. Do you have Shaw?

[ergie]

Ya I have shaw, but now I had to go drop another $500 to buy a HD box lol how gay is that.

[ergie]

No the stupid salesman didn't tell me anything, prick. Those HDMI cables are like $150 you gotta be kidding me lol, thats one expensive cord.


Just buy the ****in HD box. Unless you have 120hz the picture of reg. TV will look like shit.

Did the sales rep not tell you to get an HD box??

Once ya get the box you're gonna want a gold Monster HDMI cable to connect your box to the TV.

[fathead]

No the stupid salesman didn't tell me anything, prick. Those HDMI cables are like $150 you gotta be kidding me lol, thats one expensive cord.

this is one of the most marked up items in the industry. usually you can get them to throw one in with your tv or give it to you for next to nothing. You can also find guys who bring them in from elsewhere and sell them on craigslist and such for a fraction of the cost.

My hdmi was listed at $180 at futureshop. buddy works there, I paid $45.

Shithead reccomended monster hdmi... i disagree. unless you are a real technology freak (and no offense but i can tell from your experience with this tv that youre not) you wont be able to tell any difference between a high end monster cable and a cheaper version as long as it HDMI.

[shithead]

Even a $50 cable is a shock to some ppl.

When you upgrade to HD, there are many upgrades you HAVE to make or else your wasting your money and might as well be watching 420.(coaxial)

[shithead]

If ya go with the M1000 a nitrogen (N2) gas-injected dielectric 24k non corosive cold HDMI, it carries 60hz of HD video AND 7.1 surround .

Wouldnt have to upgrade that bitch for seven years!

Once ya buy all the stuff that ya need ie: Blue ray player, HDMI cable, blue ray HDMI cable and HD box you are set.

[pseclint]

Walmart has a Panasonic HDMI for 19.99 and ebay for 6.99

[Bowlcut]

Please tell me you didn't pay a douche to come and wall mount it.

[ergie]

No I just put it on my 10 year old stereo stand lol, looks good there though and now that I got a HD box the pic looks better but still not as good as I thought. Think I'm gonna bite the bullet and get a HDMI cable.

[champcar99]

Ferg wait till you start watching blue ray DVD's on your TV ... NUTS..... what type of audio system you got goin on....I spent a arm and a leg for my audio system to go with my 57 " Love the scarey movies, action movies. NO LOVE STORIES....lol...

[Houstonbc]

get the hdmi cable fergie i had the same problem so i got the cable and its alot better

[srt8]

bluejeanscable.com
high quality cables 1/4 the price.
Shoulda went with the HD PVR from shaw, you'll be kicking yourself. $700 bux yes but best thing i ever bought

[ergie]

Whats so much better about the PVR? Isn't the only difference the ability to record programs?

[BAM]

Yeah, big tvs look like shite without a HD signal on them. I paid for the premium HD pack from cogeco on my 62inch dlp and its awesome. I can't even watch the normal channels anymore, they look like garbage.

[shithead]

I dont have one, bit I would use it to record any PPV event that I watched(MMA or other),cartoons that my son would like and games I might miss.

[srt8]

Whats so much better about the PVR? Isn't the only difference the ability to record programs?

Yes thats only diff, but if you're like me i get hooked on a show and hate missing episodes yet always do. Set it up and records everything you want it to weekly or daily (if youre a homo like me and don't wanna miss 90210) bahaha.
Plus, pausing tv when door bell or phone rings etc, is very niiiiiice.

[ergie]

Another question for you guys, I tried out one of the HD channels on my new hd shaw box and they don't look any different then any of the other channels. Is this because I don't have the HDMI cord yet?

[Mr.Freeze]

for sure the HDMI will make it look better but you should have seen a big difference with the HD channels,did you setup the resolution on your box to fit your TV?

[ergie]

No I didn't, how do you do that? Cuz ya there was no diff between the regular channels and the HD ones right now.........

[Mr.Freeze]

then you need to read the instruction manuel:D

[ergie]

I don't like reading instruction manuals, help a brother out come on lol.

[Mr.Freeze]

i would but i dont have the same one at my house so??

[ergie]

Well ****, what good are you then?

[fathead]

ferg whats the resolution on your tv? is it 720i 720p 1080i or 1080p?

go into settings on your remote and mess around in there with picture format... chances are that its come set up automatically and thats not your problem. Have you watched a newish DVD on it? hows that look?

MAKE SURE YOU ARE WATCHING AN HD SHOW ON AN HD CHANNEL.

This threw me off for a long time and still makes me furious. HD stations dont play ALL HD formatted television. You can watch CSI on channel 214 or whatever and it looks great then the commercial or the next show on or the sports highlight clip or whatever is in low resolution and in a different size format. In fact id go as far as to say with shaw at least 50% of the programming on HD isnt HDTV.

Example: Sports Highlights... the broadcasters will look great, HD, neat high def graphics all around, and then "lets look at the bulls/hornets game" and they cut to that, neat graphics surrounding a small fuzzy picture of the game in the middle.

[ergie]

Its a 1080p I think, thats pretty gay how all of the programs on all of the HD channels are not HD......... Whats the diff between 1080i & 1080p? I should have asked around here before buying the ****ing thing thats for sure, you guys seem to know more than the salespeople.

[shithead]

i is for interlace and p is for progressive scanning..........
1080p is a smoother picture.

I cant help on formal and options as I have Star Choice. I think the channel HDNET is HD all the time.

[applesauce]

1080p is better, thats the difference

[ergie]

Well at least I did one thing right buying this tv then, total fluke though.

[shithead]

This is sometimes a problem:
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/hook-up-hdtv-part-3-981.shtml

[shithead]

Did you call your cable company and tell them you want HD. With bell you have to pay extra and if ya dont, you dont get the HD.

You should know, all non HD channels will be broadcast in 4:3 as opposed to 16:9

[Mr.Freeze]

may i add you should bought a plasma to start with!:D

[Mr.Freeze]

Well ****, what good are you then?

i told you before, **** your sister:D

[ergie]

Ya I already called the cable company and ordered HD and ya I noticed that they are only 4:3 wich I'm not really keen on.


Did you call your cable company and tell them you want HD. With bell you have to pay extra and if ya dont, you dont get the HD.

You should know, all non HD channels will be broadcast in 4:3 as opposed to 16:9

[ergie]

may i add you should bought a plasma to start with!:D

**** everyone of my friends told me to buy an LCD and now you guys say plasma's are better.

[shithead]

My ass plasma! LCDs last MUCH longer and dont have any glare.

I have floor to ceiling windows so I need LCD.

[ergie]

I had a $1500 gift card to best buy so I had to buy it there, what a ****ing joke that place is lol. I've already got this LG all hooked up and I'm lazy so I'm not gonna take it back, I'm sure once I get this hdmi cord it'll look just fine.

[shithead]

Plasma is fuking junk.

Go take that LG crap back and get a Sony XBR4. I just picked up the 52 inch and its the best TV on the market right now. Bluray on this thing is like looking out a window its so clear, deep and smooth.


I hooked it up to my laptop and it has a better picture then my laptop screen..

I want to have babies with it.

Yeah I wanted the XBR4 myself as it WAS the best LCD. The best TV now is the Samsung LNT5271F with dynamic contrast ratio.
Colors are more vibrant than the Sony.(although Sony still hold a special place in my heart)

Sony XBR4 w/motionflow has contrast ratio of 18000:1
Samsung LNT5271F w/dynamic contrast ratio and automotion plus has a contrast ratio og 25000:1

The new Samsung is about a G more.
The old model that came out at the same time as the Sony had a small flaw in the automotion and only had a c ratio of 20000:1

[shithead]

I've always liked Sony products.


A higher contrast ratio doesn't generally make a better TV.. look at that TV with the 500,000:1 contrast ratio..


Ya...me too. Always thought they were quality.:o

[Mr.Freeze]

if you have a bright room then go with LCD if you have a dark room or look tv only at night then your better with Plasma.With plasma you see your image perfectly from any angle you look at it, not with LCD. you ever wonder why you dont see alot of 42-50-55" LCD because they dont look as nice in those size as plasma,funny you never see a 17-20-25" plasma.

I got plasma Panasonic Viera with blu-ray,HDMI and the image kickass:D

[shithead]

if you have a bright room then go with LCD if you have a dark room or look tv only at night then your better with Plasma.With plasma you see your image perfectly from any angle you look at it, not with LCD. you ever wonder why you dont see alot of 42-50-55" LCD because they dont look as nice in those size as plasma,funny you never see a 17-20-25" plasma.

I got plasma Panasonic Viera with blu-ray,HDMI and the image kickass:D

Your brain must be frozen. Bullshit! Check out the new 120hz LCD TVs.
Samsung. Sony it doesnt matter.

Why do you think Sony only makes LCD TVs? they last longer and have more potential for a full viewing experience at any time.

The old assumption that plasma is superior for sports is a thing of the past!

[Mr.Freeze]

The old assumption that plasma last longer or less then LCD is a thing of the past! :D

[shithead]

AHAHAHAHA! Good one! Back it up Mr Freeze!

**** I love that handle!

[Mr.Freeze]

:D me too

[ergie]

**** **** **** **** the hdmi cord I bought fits into my tv but not into my shaw hd box

[Mr.Freeze]

lmao:D

[fathead]

**** **** **** **** the hdmi cord I bought fits into my tv but not into my shaw hd box

lemme guess... you cheaped out and bought the non recording box.... those have no hdmi output. spend the extra $200 the best thing i ever bought

[ergie]

No actually I paid decent money for the cord but I actually needed an HDMI/DVI cord for my shaw box and the guy sold me a HDMI. I'm a little pissed now because I got the proper cord and pic doesn't even look better......... Now what?

[ergie]

You think its the T.V? The pic isn't to bad but when you get close up's of peoples faces they look blury, just not happy with it.

[tarnow]

You think its the T.V? The pic isn't to bad but when you get close up's of peoples faces they look blury, just not happy with it.

Did you adjust the picture settings on your TV?

[ergie]

No, how do you adjust them?

[tarnow]

No, how do you adjust them?

I don't know how to navigate your particular menu, but there should be various options for screen sizes like theatre, full, 16:9..etc. See if any f those make a difference. My friend has a 63" Toshiba and the quality between those settings is like night and day.

[shithead]

Bluray is sharper than HDTV in my opinion. Yeah starchoice has HDMI outputs on all their new HD receivers. You should be able to get a good picture on the LG though.

Not like Sony, Samsung and Sharp but still crisp. Remember viewing distance on a 52 is like ten feet.

[marcules33]

For anyone buying HMDI cables buy them through monoprice, otherwise you are getting ripped off. That is the biggest scam going now. If you pay more then $10 and even thats high you paid too much.

[Xplode]

For anyone buying HMDI cables buy them through monoprice, otherwise you are getting ripped off. That is the biggest scam going now. If you pay more then $10 and even thats high you paid too much.

Good Prices...have you tried them? What the qaulity like?

P.S. Ferg I know exactly what you are going through...before the new year my 10 year old fuggin huge and heavy 61" Toshiba rear projection TV was going on the fritz (When I say going on the fritz i mean went down a flight of stairs when my idiot friend was helping me move) and I picked up a 46" Sony Bravia 1080p LCD TV and man I knew nothing about LCD, Plasma, 720, 1080, i or p, HD or FullHD and i think I almost made a couple salespeople quit...but yeah I didn't have the cable either and I was pissed when I saw the picture...now everything is cool!

I hope yours works out and it is not the TV because luggin that mother back to the store would be a PITA!

[marcules33]

Yes I have bought all my hdmi cables from them and they have the hdmi 1.3 which I believe is the new standard. Shipping was fast as well. There is one important thing to know about digital cables either they work or they don't, there is no in between.

[ergie]

^^ sweet avi ;)

I had it hooked up wrong lol, I had the cable going to the tv as well as the red/green/blue cables so it was pulling the pic from two sources and therefore it was distorted.

[Mr.Freeze]

Yes I have bought all my hdmi cables from them and they have the hdmi 1.3 which I believe is the new standard. Shipping was fast as well. There is one important thing to know about digital cables either they work or they don't, there is no in between.

agree:)

[massmachine]

For anyone buying HMDI cables buy them through monoprice, otherwise you are getting ripped off. That is the biggest scam going now. If you pay more then $10 and even thats high you paid too much.

Werd. Monster and those firedog cables or whatever they're called are a complete scam. Thats why the salesmen push those so much cause they get huge commission on them...

[shithead]

You can order them for half the prices through the internet though.

What do you think about the warranties? I heard they were the biggest scam.

Ahhh, I know for a fact that I get better picture on the Sony3 with my monster hdmi than my previous hdmi cable. Not sure about TV though.

[fathead]

i wouldnt say that high end cables are a scam.

I would def agree that they arent worth the additional cost over regular hdmi cables unless you are a true audio/videophile.

the high end cables technically have better insulation, protection against outside interference and better materials and all, but joe blow with a good tv would never tell the difference.

If you have an $5000 XBR4 and a blue ray player and you have them because you know what youre talking about... than maybe spending the money is worthwhile. If you have an LG and a cable box than forget it.

[shithead]

Its like some ppl say 120hz frame rate is a scam, so ppl think its the best. The ppl who always buy the lower end material have never owned any high end. These people have been persuaded by low end marketing.

Who needs 1080p? I do.

Who needs 120hz frame rate? I do.

Who needs HDDVD/BLU? I do.

You dont want to be that guy with BETA.

[massmachine]

http://consumerist.com/353938/monster-cables-monster-ripoff-80-markups

[marcules33]

Its like some ppl say 120hz frame rate is a scam, so ppl think its the best. The ppl who always buy the lower end material have never owned any high end. These people have been persuaded by low end marketing.

Who needs 1080p? I do.

Who needs 120hz frame rate? I do.

Who needs HDDVD/BLU? I do.

You dont want to be that guy with BETA.

I'm not one to buy low end anything. But when it comes to digital cables (HDMI/fiber optic) either they work or they don't, plain and simple. Now if you have a long run to do then I would suggest spending more or getting a well sheilded one and there are cheap ones of those out there too. Other then that its rip off.

[bigdaddydrew123]

dont know if any of ya saw cbc show where they compare hdmi cables, the 12 dollar ones have the exact same quality pic wisw as 200.00 dollar ones , so dont listen to sales mans bull, buy the cheap ones , there is no difference other than price

[shithead]

Ya ya If you were streaming video from your cpu then a bigger cable is essential.

No one has talked about durability yet. The cables were brand new when they tested them on CBC, right?
The better cables are sheilded against erosion better than the cheap cables. Erosion occurs after a few years especially if there is great temperature range, or you live by the sea, or your house is R2000 with no air exchanger.......

It will occur regardless after a cpl yrs with a cheap cable.

Warranties have an 80% profit margin though. Stay away from them.

[shithead]

Also higher end TVs need better cables esp. LCDs as opposed to plasmas as they are brighter.
Take the Sony Bravia XBR4 for example: It has 120hz frame rate AND 10 bit color. This will have a minimum data rate of 6.6 Gbps, six times the data rate of DVD. The cable needs to have a stated certified speed of 6.6 Gbps, if you are using a 1080p television.

[bigdaddydrew123]

Also higher end TVs need better cables esp. LCDs as opposed to plasmas as they are brighter.
Take the Sony Bravia XBR4 for example: It has 120hz frame rate AND 10 bit color. This will have a minimum data rate of 6.6 Gbps, six times the data rate of DVD. The cable needs to have a stated certified speed of 6.6 Gbps, if you are using a 1080p television.
the cables they tested had identical results meaning the signal in was the exact same out with both cables , as far as durability , change your 15.00 cable every time you need to , its alot of 15.00 to make 200.00

[shithead]

There is a huge difference in manufacturing quality here. The better ones are gold plated, have maximum insulation(to protect interference) and protect against surges.

Cheap cables WILL NOT perform well at 120hrz and 1080p, this is a fact.

Maybe if you're running a plasma @ 1080i, then go with a cheap cable.

[bigdaddydrew123]

There is a huge difference in manufacturing quality here. The better ones are gold plated, have maximum insulation(to protect interference) and protect against surges.

Cheap cables WILL NOT perform well at 120hrz and 1080p, this is a fact.

Maybe if you're running a plasma @ 1080i, then go with a cheap cable.
well i dont even have high definition so i cant say from my experience, im still 27 inches coax cable , ridin dog sled to work,smokin resevation cigs, (just kiddin)no smokes .when ido go hi def im tryin cheap cables first tho

[shithead]

well i dont even have high definition so i cant say from my experience, im still 27 inches coax cable , ridin dog sled to work,smokin resevation cigs, (just kiddin)no smokes .when ido go hi def im tryin cheap cables first tho

Well on a Viewsonic, Proview or Maxent I'm sure the cheap cables will work just fine!

[bigdaddydrew123]

Well on a Viewsonic, Proview or Maxent I'm sure the cheap cables will work just fine!
i can adjust my rabit ears , works every time:cool:

[Rrrrolla]

I work in the electronics industry, I know little about hdtv, but I know ALOT about cables, losses and data rates. At 6.6Gbps, you might lose bits at high data rates if your cable is not properly designed for the datarate. It is serial data I take it? What do you notice on the screen when bits are lost from these cheap cables? I'd have to see a noticeable difference in pic quality to buy their stupid 200 dollar cable, that is just a retarded price. I can't imagine for the life of me what you would notice with a shabby cable. Is there a carrier frequency with FSK modulation? What exactly is being sent over these hdmi cables? I'm inclined to think that you would either have a great pic or a REALLY crappy pic if the cable was unable to support the data transfer rate. There'd be no fuzzy or "dark" pic, you'd be losing bits of data, that kinda looks like what you see on the internet when you try and watch porn and the screen goes all blocky and fuked.

[shithead]

I work in the electronics industry, I know little about hdtv, but I know ALOT about cables, losses and data rates. At 6.6Gbps, you might lose bits at high data rates if your cable is not properly designed for the datarate. It is serial data I take it? What do you notice on the screen when bits are lost from these cheap cables? I'd have to see a noticeable difference in pic quality to buy their stupid 200 dollar cable, that is just a retarded price. I can't imagine for the life of me what you would notice with a shabby cable. Is there a carrier frequency with FSK modulation? What exactly is being sent over these hdmi cables? I'm inclined to think that you would either have a great pic or a REALLY crappy pic if the cable was unable to support the data transfer rate. There'd be no fuzzy or "dark" pic, you'd be losing bits of data, that kinda looks like what you see on the internet when you try and watch porn and the screen goes all blocky and fuked.

This you will notice on a large(50+) 1080p screen with a slower cable are: loss of color gradations, pixel dropouts, sparklies popping onscreen and loss of color gradient as well as blurring in 120hz LCDs while watching live sports.

I'm not going to waste anymore time on this. The rule to go by is:

If you have a large new TV with 1080p to get the most out of your TV go with at least a 6.6 Gbps data rate with temp rating.

or

If you are viewing in a humid environment better cable is essential.


Ferg could get away with 6.6 Gbps cable, T-Rex would need a 10 Gbps cable, as the XBR$ is the best LCD TV you can buy. Its also $4500.


Most ppl would be fine even with a 4.9 Gbps cable with 1080i or 720p.

[bigdaddydrew123]

well luckily i wont be buying hdtv anytime soon, you guys talk different language than me.im all confused hi tech is too much for me.

[The Manager]

Hey BigDaddyDrew, this is not too technical for you........it is simply the old saying that a fool and his money are soon parted. This guy probably has an AC power supply filter that monster sells. What a joke!!!! When you are ready to buy we will take care of ya.

[shithead]

Hey BigDaddyDrew, this is not too technical for you........it is simply the old saying that a fool and his money are soon parted. This guy probably has an AC power supply filter that monster sells. What a joke!!!! When you are ready to buy we will take care of ya.

Welcome to the board! Nice first post....



Tit.:mad:

[bigdaddydrew123]

lmao

[The Manager]

Hey ShitHead, don't take it personally............ I don't like to see anybody waste their money on something they simply don't need. Sorry if the truth hurts.

[Mr Ontario]

Heard there going to be absolutely soon.....T.V's coming out soon just as thin as credit card!

[shithead]

Hey ShitHead, don't take it personally............ I don't like to see anybody waste their money on something they simply don't need. Sorry if the truth hurts.

So if you're an expert, answer Fergs first question with ALL the possible possibilities.

If you think a twelve dollar HDMI will suit him fine with a large WD 1080p display then you are mistaken.

He could go with a lesser rated cable unless he's subterranean, he could go with a 4.9 for about $50, if he shopped around maybe $40.

If your going to spend $3-4 Gs on a set then why skimp with a $12-30 cable?

[The Manager]

It is simple........... Monster is over rated. Take away all the pretty packaging and you are left with copper wire. If you buy a cable that is rated for HDMI 1.3 you have a cable that is rated for HDMI 1.3. Just because someone paid more money for something does not mean they have a better product. I can get four 2 liter bottles of pop at shoppers for $5 or $3 for one bottle at the corner store. The pop from the corner store is not better.

I never claimed to be an expert but I do work with electronics every day. I know lots about data transmission wires/cables and connectors.

People need to look at the entire picture when planning a purchase of this type. How big is the room you will be watching your T.V. in? What are the specs of the actual LCD/Plasma you will be purchasing?? If you buy a Full HD set do you have a full HD source to feed the set. The list goes on and on and we won't even talk about the audio part of a complete home theather system.

I guess it comes down to personal preferance and some people prefer name brand products. I prefer a product that will do what I need without breaking the bank.

[Rrrrolla]

I'm sure there are alot of overpriced products out there, including the TV's themselves. I look for performance specs that matter and reviews of products before I buy them. I am very glad that there was a show that dispelled the idea that you need a 200 or 300 dollar piece of f'ing wire to watch hd properly.

[The Manager]

Well put Rrrrolla ............. so can I sell you a cable???? May be we should all take BigDaddydrew's advice and go with the rabbit ears

[shithead]

It is simple........... Monster is over rated. Take away all the pretty packaging and you are left with copper wire. If you buy a cable that is rated for HDMI 1.3 you have a cable that is rated for HDMI 1.3. Just because someone paid more money for something does not mean they have a better product. I can get four 2 liter bottles of pop at shoppers for $5 or $3 for one bottle at the corner store. The pop from the corner store is not better.

I never claimed to be an expert but I do work with electronics every day. I know lots about data transmission wires/cables and connectors.

People need to look at the entire picture when planning a purchase of this type. How big is the room you will be watching your T.V. in? What are the specs of the actual LCD/Plasma you will be purchasing?? If you buy a Full HD set do you have a full HD source to feed the set. The list goes on and on and we won't even talk about the audio part of a complete home theather system.

I guess it comes down to personal preferance and some people prefer name brand products. I prefer a product that will do what I need without breaking the bank.

Other reason the the picture is not that good are: most programming on HD channels is not native(shot w/HD camera) HD. This is standard def the has been up converted to quasi HD. The picture will show improper contrast, sparklies and artifacts esp in LCDs.

Also, some providers by taking on internet,TV programming and sometimes phone exceed their bandwidth. They get around this by compressing some of the HD content. This will create a distortion of the picture as well.

I really thought you might of picked those out.:)

[shithead]

Well put Rrrrolla ............. so can I sell you a cable???? May be we should all take BigDaddydrew's advice and go with the rabbit ears

The would be a waste since all analogue signal will cease to exist in 2009.

No more pulling in a signal with any kind of device other than digital sat..

[The Manager]

Other reason the the picture is not that good are: most programming on HD channels is not native(shot w/HD camera) HD. This is standard def the has been up converted to quasi HD. The picture will show improper contrast, sparklies and artifacts esp in LCDs.

Also, some providers by taking on internet,TV programming and sometimes phone exceed their bandwidth. They get around this by compressing some of the HD content. This will create a distortion of the picture as well.

I really thought you might of picked those out.:)

I thought I did with the comment of one needs a full HD source for a Full HD set. If you have crap going into a HDMI cable you will have crap coming out.

You mention contrast, sparklies and artifacts.........in a previous post you said this is what one would see with a cheaper cable. I tend to think the problem is not the cable but the source or may be the LCD itself (depending on what one buys). One should not go buy a very expensive cable without knowing all the facts.

I think you would agree with me when I say one could go buy the most expensive LCD/Plasma and HDMI cable they can find and still end up with a crappy picture.

[shithead]

Right now a small percentage of the populus have HD. Until they put more resources into HD programming, yes, you could still have a crappy picture. That does mean that whith your bluray player you should buy a cable for less than $40. You can get a good 1.3 for $40 if you shop around.

If you're running the 60inch Pioneer Elite, you would be stupid to get a 1.3. It just wouldnt cut it.

I maybe I bought the hype and overpayed for my cable, I know alot about HD now, and if I were to do it again, I would buy a cheaper Monster cable by shopping around. Even if theres a chance that I might lose some data in the cable it would bother the piss out of me, unless I had a 1080interlace or a cheaper TV.

[shithead]

You guys put up a good argument, but I'm still glad I bought a good cable.

If you go on the CBC message boards there are a bunch of ppl the stating that the test they did in their show was inaccurate. Off the top of my head I cant pull any up, but if you want, go check it out.

[bigdaddydrew123]

[QUOTE=The Manager;20023]It is simple........... . I can get four 2 liter bottles of pop at shoppers for $5 or $3 for one bottle at the corner store. The pop from the corner store is not better.

hey bud no source posting allowed

[The Manager]

[QUOTE=The Manager;20023]It is simple........... . I can get four 2 liter bottles of pop at shoppers for $5 or $3 for one bottle at the corner store. The pop from the corner store is not better.

hey bud no source posting allowed

LOL........ I wouldn't want to upset anybody. It is not like I told you what kind of pop I drink.

[shithead]

OK Tommy Lasorda!

[The Manager]

I maybe I bought the hype and overpayed for my cable, I know alot about HD now, and if I were to do it again, I would buy a cheaper Monster cable by shopping around. Even if theres a chance that I might lose some data in the cable it would bother the piss out of me, unless I had a 1080interlace or a cheaper TV.

One thing to remember is that some of these stores/people that sell these products (T.V. , cables, etc...) work on comission and will do everything to try and over sell you. For example, you go there wanting a 42 inch LCD and they try to sell you a 52 inch instead. The really crappy thing about all this is that these sales people know that the majority of the population know nothing about the whole HD thing and they have a pocket full of money.

I mentioned in a previuos post about an AC power filter. I go to a popular store where I am from and see this pretty looking thing mounted on the wall. Beside it is a sign that states "filter out the noise on your AC Power" This was simply a power bar. There I find a young salesperson who I assume works there when he is not in school. This guy tells me they sell all kinds of this very expensive power bar.

Again I am not an expert but I know this...... everything you will plug into this power bar (LCD/Plasma, DVD Player, Blue Ray, Cable box, SAtellite Receiver, etc...) has its own DC power supply. These DC power supplies will have things called transformers and capacitors that will take care of the "Dirty AC" . If memory servers me correctly this was part of the pretty display.

I guess it is a buyer be ware thing............. May be we should all start watching the Shopping Bags with our girlfriends/wife.

[bigdaddydrew123]

so in hopefully closing this thread its about confidence in your purchace if you feel your getting the best you can get for whatever price you pay. whether 1 is better than the other is not proven by a bunch of muscleheads like us. but if your sitting there thinking wow my picture kicks with these 200 dllar cables.then your a satisfied customer , or you can sit and say wow my pic kicks ass and i payed 12 bucks,your also satisfied . maybe both are wrong but both are satisfied customers and what you are paying for is confidence in a product. somebody close this thread reply away guys i refuse to look at this thread again. when i decide to purchase hi def ill research on some computer geek site. those pencil necks will have it all sorted out . see ya

[shithead]

Done deal BDD.