Canadian Steroid Laws

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Time to put this discussion to an end once and for all. Below is the exact crime and punishment for steroid offences in canada all in one place. I summed up all the important parts but you can find the full text here.
laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cs/C-38.8///en

PART I
OFFENCES AND PUNISHMENT
Particular Offences

Possession of substance

4. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall possess a substance included in Schedule I, II or III. **note that there is no IV here**

Obtaining substance

(2) No person shall seek or obtain
(a) a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV, or

(b) an authorization to obtain a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV

from a practitioner, unless the person discloses to the practitioner particulars relating to the acquisition by the person of every substance in those Schedules, and of every authorization to obtain such substances, from any other practitioner within the preceding thirty days.

Punishment


(7) Every person who contravenes subsection (2)

(iv) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding eighteen months, where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable

(i) for a first offence, to a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or to both, and

(ii) for a subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year, or to both.


Trafficking in substance

5. (1) No person shall traffic in a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV or in any substance represented or held out by that person to be such a substance.

Possession for purpose of trafficking

(2) No person shall, for the purpose of trafficking, possess a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV.
Punishment

(c) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV,

(i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or

(ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year.


Importing and exporting

6. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall import into Canada or export from Canada a substance included in Schedule I, II, III, IV, V or VI.

Possession for the purpose of exporting

(2) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall possess a substance included in Schedule I, II, III, IV, V or VI for the purpose of exporting it from Canada.
Punishment

3) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2)
c) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV or V,

(i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or

(ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year.


Production of substance

7. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall produce a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV.

Punishment

(2) Every person who contravenes subsection (1)

(d) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV,

(i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or

(ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year.

[Kronis]

Yup, steroids are definitely illegal to buy, sell, or try to buy.

We're just lucky that most cops see it as a less offence than possessing marijuana and won't drag you through the muds like the U.S. Feds.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

True but the risk of something getting bad is still there. If they want to bust someone for importing 10 vials of sust from india, they are totally allowed to. But if someone is breaking a law, it is wise to know exactly what law they are breaking and what kind of punishment they can get.

Now if anyone can clarify exactly what summary conviction and indictable means (with example would be super). That is what actually shows you what the max sentence is for the crime.

[Strateg0s]

Steroid offenses for mere possession are going to be summary, meaning they'll get quickly resolved in court and the punishment will be more or less trivial. For manufacture or distributing/trafficking, the offenses are hybrid, meaning it is the prosecutor's discretion to push for it to be treated as a summary offense or an indictable one. The defendant's prior criminal background (or lack thereof) would have some influence on that decision, depending on what he was found to be involved in.

Speaking of all of this, has anyone heard word one about what happened in court to Illusion or xxx? I'd presume Illusion has been convicted and sentenced already, and that xxx trial is ongoing.

[Kronis]

Now if anyone can clarify exactly what summary conviction and indictable means (with example would be super). That is what actually shows you what the max sentence is for the crime.

In more basic terms Indictable = serious (sexual assault). Summary= minor (causing a disturbance).

It sounds like steroid convictions are hybrid offences, which mean the court/DA has the option on which level to charge you.

It's been a while since I looked at my public law texts but I think summary convictions carry a max punishment of $2000 and/or six months in jail, unless otherwise defined.

The wait times for pardon eligibility are different as well. I think it's 3 years for summary and maybe 5 for indictable.

As was said before about possession. If you happen to be really lucky and just happen to stumble across a personal amount of Sched. IV drugs then there's no offence committed by possessing them.

The onus would be on them to prove you bought them.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Yes, the above info is correct.

But therin lies the problem. If LE puts someone under investigation for importing or trafficking steroids, let's say for 1 year. They put a few guys on the job. So in 1 year the investigation sets them back maybe 100k - 250k. They will not be going after a summary conviction. It's not logically feasible to spend that much money for such a small charge/sentence. They'd go after everything possible like they did to illusion to justify the expense of the investigation.

I belive they'd only go after a summary conviction if they got "lucky" and happened upon a pack and did a controlled delivery or somone spilled the beans and gave them a gift. Other than that, I believe if they start an investigation, they are going after an indictement. It's only logical.

This is my opinion only.

[Kronis]

Yes, the above info is correct.

But therin lies the problem. If LE puts someone under investigation for importing or trafficking steroids, let's say for 1 year. They put a few guys on the job. So in 1 year the investigation sets them back maybe 100k - 250k. They will not be going after a summary conviction. It's not logically feasible to spend that much money for such a small charge/sentence. They'd go after everything possible like they did to illusion to justify the expense of the investigation.

I belive they'd only go after a summary conviction if they got "lucky" and happened upon a pack and did a controlled delivery or somone spilled the beans and gave them a gift. Other than that, I believe if they start an investigation, they are going after an indictement. It's only logical.

This is my opinion only.

I totally agree with the misallocation of resources regarding a summary conviction involving steroids, which is why I don't think they'd risk it unless they were fairly certain that the person they're investigating is a fairly good size source.

I think the only reason we see guys go down who aren't major street level dealers is when a) they get busted selling recs, b) somebody rolls.

This is why "cash in the mail" is so dangerous; and I guess western union could be dangerous as well if they know where it's sent to. I know people say e-gold wasn't safe, but I miss those days. It takes all of a few minutes to transfer funds through 10 different accounts and then organize a withdrawl.

Nobody should know a sources name or address; ever. It may lead to a few scams but it keeps everyone safer.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Oh before I forget. While I was doing research on all this stuff, I came across some info I found rather interesting. It pertained to selling information about how to make drugs or something along those lines. It seems that by selling that information you are doing something illegal. I can't find that info again but if someone does, can you please post it in this thread.

[Mr Ontario]

Summary conviction 3 year wait period before you can start to apply for a pardon. Indictable 5 years. ++ The year or so that it takes to process your application. So you could be waiting 6 to 7 years before you have a clean record..which is a long time if you need clean record for a job.

Hopefully you will get a conditional discharge. lol where you don't need a pardon it's off your record in 3 years for free.

[megwell]

out of curiosity........... where does hgh fit in here?
I've been told that it's not even a shedule offense.

[bigben]

Thanks for posting this. I do not however see what substances this covers? Schedule I,II, II are what?

Edit: Anabolic steroids are Schedule "IV" substances

[bigben]

Yup, steroids are definitely illegal to buy, sell, or try to buy.

We're just lucky that most cops see it as a less offence than possessing marijuana and won't drag you through the muds like the U.S. Feds.

I don't see where it says they are illegal to buy.


Copying from the Act:

(2) No person shall seek or obtain

(a) a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV, or

(b) an authorization to obtain a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV

from a practitioner, unless the person discloses to the practitioner particulars relating to the acquisition by the person of every substance in those Schedules, and of every authorization to obtain such substances, from any other practitioner within the preceding thirty days.


The section refers to acquiring from a "practitioner". Defined as: "practitioner" means a person who is registered and entitled under the laws of a province to practise in that province the profession of medicine, dentistry or veterinary medicine, and includes any other person or class of persons prescribed as a practitioner;

So I don't see an offence for buying in and of itself, unless its from a Doctor or Vet and you fail to disclose prior authorizations within the past 30 days.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

SCHEDULE IV

(Sections 2 to 4, 5 to 7, 29, 55 and 60)
1. Barbiturates, their salts and derivatives including
(1) Allobarbital (5,5–diallylbarbituric acid)
(2) Alphenal (5–allyl–5–phenylbarbituric acid)
(3) Amobarbital (5–ethyl–5–(3–methylbutyl)barbituric acid)
(4) Aprobarbital (5–allyl–5–isopropylbarbituric acid)
(5) Barbital (5,5–diethylbarbituric acid)
(6) Barbituric Acid (2,4,6(1H,3H,5H)–pyrimidinetrione)
(7) Butabarbital (5–sec–butyl–5–ethylbarbituric acid)
(8) Butalbital (5–allyl–5–isobutylbarbituric acid)
(9) Butallylonal (5–(2–bromoallyl)–5–sec–butylbarbituric acid)
(10) Butethal (5–butyl–5–ethylbarbituric acid)
(11) Cyclobarbital (5–(1–cyclohexen–1–yl)–5–ethylbarbituric acid)
(12) Cyclopal (5–allyl–5–(2–cyclopenten–1–yl)barbituric acid)
(13) Heptabarbital (5–(1–cyclohepten–1–yl)–5–ethylbarbituric acid)
(14) Hexethal (5–ethyl–5–hexylbarbituric acid)
(15) Hexobarbital (5–(1–cyclohexen–1–yl)–1,5–dimethylbarbituric acid)
(16) Mephobarbital (5–ethyl–1–methyl–5–phenylbarbituric acid)
(17) Methabarbital (5,5–diethyl–1–methylbarbituric acid)
(18) Methylphenobarbital (5–ethyl–1–methyl–5–phenylbarbituric acid)
(19) Propallylonal (5–(2–bromoallyl)–5–isopropylbarbituric acid)
(20) Pentobarbital (5–ethyl–5–(1–methylbutyl)barbituric acid)
(21) Phenobarbital (5–ethyl–5–phenylbarbituric acid)
(22) Probarbital (5–ethyl–5–isopropylbarbituric acid)
(23) Phenylmethylbarbituric Acid (5–methyl–5–phenylbarbituric acid)
(24) Secobarbital (5–allyl–5–(1–methylbutyl)barbituric acid)
(25) Sigmodal (5–(2–bromoallyl)–5–(1–methylbutyl) barbituric acid)
(26) Talbutal (5–allyl–5–sec–butylbarbituric acid)
(27) Vinbarbital (5–ethyl–5–(1–methyl–1–butenyl)barbituric acid)
(28) Vinylbital (5–(1–methylbutyl)–5–vinylbarbituric acid)
2. Thiobarbiturates, their salts and derivatives including:
(1) Thialbarbital (5–allyl–5–(2–cyclohexen–1–yl)–2–thiobarbituric acid)
(2) Thiamylal (5–allyl–5–(1–methylbutyl)–2–thiobarbituric acid)
(3) Thiobarbituric Acid (2–thiobarbituric acid)
(4) Thiopental (5–ethyl–5–(1–methylbutyl)–2–thiobarbituric acid)
3. Chlorphentermine (1–(p–chlorophenyl)–2–methyl–2–aminopropane) and any salt thereof
4. Diethylpropion (2–(diethylamino)propiophenone) and any salt thereof
5. Phendimetrazine (d–3,4–dimethyl–2–phenylmorpholine) and any salt thereof
6. Phenmetrazine (3–methyl–2–phenylmorpholine) and any salt thereof
7. Pipradol (a,a–diphenyl–2–piperidinemethanol) and any salt thereof
8. Phentermine (a,a–dimethylbenzeneethanamine) and any salt thereof
9. Butorphanol (l–N–cyclobutylmethyl–3,14–dihydroxymorphinan) and any salt thereof
10. Nalbuphine (N–cyclobutylmethyl–4,5–epoxy–morphinan–3,6,14–tri ol) and any salt thereof
11. Glutethimide (2–ethyl–2–phenylglutarimide)
12. Clotiazepam (5–(o–chlorophenyl)–7–ethyl–1,3–dihydro–1–methyl–2 H–thieno[2,3–e]–1,4–diazepin–2–one) and any salt thereof
13. Ethchlorvynol (ethyl–2–chlorovinyl ethynyl carbinol)
14. Ethinamate (1–ethynylcyclohexanol carbamate)
15. Mazindol (5–(p–chlorophenyl)–2,5–dihydro–3H–imidazo[2,1–a]isoindol–5–ol)
16. Meprobamate (2–methyl–2–propyl–1,3–propanediol dicarbamate)
17. Methyprylon (3,3–diethyl–5–methyl–2,4–piperidinedione)
18. Benzodiazepines, their salts and derivatives, including:
(1) Alprazolam (8–chloro–1–methyl–6–phenyl–4H–s–triazolo[4,3–a][1,4] benzodiazepine)
(2) Bromazepam (7–bromo–1,3–dihydro–5–(2–pyridyl)–2H–1, 4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(2.1) Brotizolam (2-bromo-4-(o-chlorophenyl)-9-methyl-6H-thieno[3,2-f]-s-triazolo[4,3-a][1,4]diazepine)
(3) Camazepam (7–chloro–1,3–dihydro–3–(N,N–dimethylcarbamoyl)–1– methyl–5–phenyl–2H–1, 4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(4) Chlordiazepoxide (7–chloro–2–(methylamino)–5–phenyl–3H–1,4–benzodia zepine–4–oxide)
(5) Clobazam (7–chloro–1–methyl–5–phenyl–1H–1,5–benzodiazepine– 2,4(3H,5H)–dione)
(6) Clonazepam (5–(o–chlorophenyl)–1,3–dihydro–7–nitro–2H–1,4–ben zodiazepin–2–one)
(7) Clorazepate (7–chloro–2,3–dihydro–2,2–dihydroxy–5–phenyl–1H–1, 4–benzodiazepine–3–carboxylic acid)
(8) Cloxazolam (10–chloro–11b–(o–chlorophenyl)–2,3, 7,11b–tetrahydrooxazolo[3,2–d][1,4]benzodiazepin 6–(5H)–one)
(9) Delorazepam (7–chloro–5–(o–chlorophenyl)–1,3–dihydro–2H–1,4–be nzodiazepin–2–one)
(10) Diazepam (7–chloro–1,3–dihydro–1–methyl–5–phenyl–2H–1,4–ben zodiazepin–2–one)
(11) Estazolam (8–chloro–6–phenyl–4H–s–triazolo [4,3–a][1,4]benzodiazepine)
(12) Ethyl Loflazepate (ethyl 7–chloro–5–(o–fluorophenyl)–2,3–dihydro–2–oxo–1H–1 ,4–benzodiazepine–3–carboxylate)
(13) Fludiazepam (7–chloro–5–(o–fluorophenyl)–1,3–dihydro–1–methyl– 2H–1,4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(14) [Repealed, SOR/98-173, s. 2]
(15) Flurazepam (7–chloro–1–[2–(diethylamino) ethyl]–5–(o–fluorophenyl)–1,3–dihydro–2H–1,4–benzodiazep in–2–one)
(16) Halazepam (7–chloro–1,3–dihydro–5–phenyl–1–(2,2,2–trifluoroe thyl)–2H–1,4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(17) Haloxazolam (10–bromo–11b–(o–fluorophenyl)–2,3,7,11b–tetrahydr ooxazolo[3,2–d][1,4]benzodiazepin–6(5H)–one)
(18) Ketazolam (11–chloro–8,12b–dihydro–2,8–dimethyl–12b–phenyl–4 H–[1,3]–oxazino–[3,2–d][1,4] benzodiazepine–4,7(6H)–dione)
(19) Loprazolam (6–(o–chlorophenyl)–2,4–dihydro–2–[(4–methyl–1–piperazinyl)methylene]–8–nitro–1H–imidazo[1,2–a][1,4]benzodiazepin–1–one)
(20) Lorazepam (7–chloro–5–(o–chlorophenyl)–1,3–dihydro–3–hydroxy –2H–1,4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(21) Lormetazepam (7–chloro–5–(o–chlorophenyl)–1,3–dihydro–3–hydroxy –1–methyl–2H–1,4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(22) Medazepam (7–chloro–2,3–dihydro–1–methyl–5–phenyl–1H–1,4–ben zodiazepine)
(22.1) Midazolam (8-chloro-6-(o-fluorophenyl)-1-methyl-4H-imidazo[1,5-a][1,4]benzodiazepine)
(23) Nimetazepam (1,3–dihydro–1–methyl–7–nitro–5–phenyl–2H–1,4–benz odiazepin–2–one)
(24) Nitrazepam (1,3–dihydro–7–nitro–5–phenyl–2H–1,4–benzodiazepin –2–one)
(25) Nordazepam (7–chloro–1,3–dihydro–5–phenyl–2H–1,4–benzodiazepi n–2–one)
(26) Oxazepam (7–chloro–1,3–dihydro–3–hydroxy–5–phenyl–2H–1,4–be nzodiazepin–2–one)
(27) Oxazolam (10–chloro–2,3,7,11b–tetrahydro–2–methyl–11b–pheny loxazolo[3,2–d] [1,4]benzodiazepin–6(5H)–one)
(28) Pinazepam (7–chloro–1,3–dihydro–5–phenyl–1–(2–propynyl)–2H–1 ,4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(29) Prazepam (7–chloro–1–(cyclopropylmethyl)–1, 3–dihydro–5–phenyl–2H–1,4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(29.1) Quazepam (7-chloro-5-(o-fluorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-1-(2,2,2-trifluoroethyl)-2H-1,4-benzodiazepine-2-thione)
(30) Temazepam (7–chloro–1,3–dihydro–3–hydroxy–1–methyl–5–phenyl– 2H–1,4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(31) Tetrazepam (7–chloro–5–(cyclohexen–1–yl)–1,3–dihydro–1–methyl –2H–1,4–benzodiazepin–2–one)
(32) Triazolam (8–chloro–6–(o–chlorophenyl)–1–methyl–4H–s–triazol o[4,3–a][1,4]benzodiazepine)
but not including:
(32.1) Clozapine (8-chloro-11-(4-methyl-1-piperazinyl)-5H-dibenzo[1,4]diazepine) and any salt thereof
(33) Flunitrazepam (5-(o-fluorophenyl)-1,3-dihydro-1-methyl-7-nitro-2H-1,4-benzodiazepin-2-one) and any salts or derivatives thereof
(34) Olanzapine (2-methyl-4-(4-methyl-1-piperazinyl)-10H-thieno[2,3-b][1,5]benzodiazepine) and its salts
19. Catha edulis Forsk., its preparations, derivatives, alkaloids and salts, including:
(1) Cathine (d–threo–2–amino–1–hydroxy–1–phenylpropane)
20. Fencamfamin (d,l–N–ethyl–3–phenylbicyclo[2,2,1] heptan–2–amine) and any salt thereof
21. Fenproporex (d,l–3–[(a–methylphenethyl)amino]propionitrile) and any salt thereof
22. Mefenorex (d,l–N–(3–chloropropyl)–a–methylbenzeneethanamine ) and any salt thereof

[B]23. Anabolic steroids and their derivatives including:
(1) Androisoxazole (17ß–hydroxy–17a–methylandrostano [3,2–c]isoxazole)
(2) Androstanolone (17ß–hydroxy–5a–androstan–3–one)
(3) Androstenediol (androst–5–ene–3ß,17ß–diol)
(4) Bolandiol (estr–4–ene–3ß,17ß–diol)
(5) Bolasterone (17ß–hydroxy–7a,17–dimethylandrost–4–en–3–one)
(6) Bolazine (17ß–hydroxy–2a–methyl–5a–androstan–3–one azine)
(7) Boldenone (17ß–hydroxyandrosta–1,4–dien–3–one)
(8) Bolenol (19–nor–17a–pregn–5–en–17–ol)
(9) Calusterone (17ß–hydroxy–7ß,17–dimethylandrost–4–en–3–one)
(10) Clostebol (4–chloro–17ß–hydroxyandrost–4–en–3–one)
(11) Drostanolone (17ß–hydroxy–2a–methyl–5a–androstan–3–one)
(12) Enestebol (4, 17ß–dihydroxy–17–methylandrosta–1,4–dien–3–one)
(13) Epitiostanol (2a, 3a–epithio–5a–androstan–17ß–ol)
(14) Ethylestrenol (19–nor–17a–pregn–4–en–17–ol)
(15) 4–Hydroxy–19–nor testosterone
(16) Fluoxymesterone (9–fluoro–11ß,17ß–dihydroxy–17–methylandrost–4–en– 3–one)
(17) Formebolone (11a, 17ß–dihydroxy–17–methyl–3–oxoandrosta–1,4 di–en–2–carboxaldehyde)
(18) Furazabol (17–methyl–5a–androstano[2,3–c] furazan–17ß–ol)
(19) Mebolazine (17ß–hydroxy–2a,17–dimethyl–5a–androstan–3–one azine)
(20) Mesabolone (17ß–[(1–methoxycyclohexyl)oxy]–5a–androst–1–en–3–one)
(21) Mesterolone (17ß–hydroxy–1a–methyl–5a–androstan–3–one)
(22) Metandienone (17ß–hydroxy–17–methylandrosta–1,4–dien–3–one)
(23) Metenolone (17ß–hydroxy–1–methyl–5a–androst–1–en–3–one)
(24) Methandriol (17a–methylandrost–5–ene–3ß,17ß–diol)
(25) Methyltestosterone (17ß–hydroxy–17–methylandrost–4–en–3–one)
(26) Metribolone (17ß–hydroxy–17–methylestra–4, 9,11–trien–3–one)
(27) Mibolerone (17ß–hydroxy–7a,17–dimethylestr–4–en–3–one)
(28) Nandrolone (17ß–hydroxyestr–4–en–3–one)
(29) Norboletone (13–ethyl–17ß–hydroxy–18, 19–dinorpregn–4–en–3–one)
(30) Norclostebol (4–chloro–17ß–hydroxyestr–4–en–3–one)
(31) Norethandrolone (17a–ethyl–17ß–hydroxyestr–4–en–3–one)
(32) Oxabolone (4,17ß–dihydroxyestr–4–en–3–one)
(33) Oxandrolone (17ß–hydroxy–17–methyl–2–oxa–5a–androstan–3–one)
(34) Oxymesterone (4,17ß–dihydroxy–17–methylandrost–4–en–3–one)
(35) Oxymetholone (17ß–hydroxy–2–(hydroxymethylene)–17–methyl–5a–and rostan–3–one)
(36) Prasterone (3ß–hydroxyandrost–5–en–17–one)
(37) Quinbolone (17ß–(1–cyclopenten–1–yloxy) androsta–1,4–dien–3–one)
(38) Stanozolol (17ß–hydroxy–17–methyl–5a–androstano [3,2–c]pyrazole)
(39) Stenbolone (17ß–hydroxy–2–methyl–5a–androst–1–en–3–one)
(40) Testosterone (17ß–hydroxyandrost–4–en–3–one)
(41) Tibolone ((7a,17a)-17–hydroxy–7–methyl–19–norpregn–5(10) en–20–yn–3–one)
(42) Tiomesterone (1a,7a–bis(acetylthio)–17ß–hydroxy–17–methylandros t–4–en–3–one)
(43) Trenbolone (17ß–hydroxyestra–4,9,11–trien–3–one)


24. Zeranol (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12–decahydro–7,14,16–trihydro xy–3–methyl–1H–2–benzoxacyclotetradecin–1–one)
25. Zolpidem (N,N,6-trimethyl-2-(4-methylphenyl)imidazo[1,2-a]pyridine-3-acetamide) and any salt thereof
25.1 Pemoline (2-amino-5-phenyl-oxazolin-4-one) and any salt thereof
26. Pyrovalerone (4'-methyl-2-(1-pyrrolidinyl)valerophenone) and any salt thereof
1996, c. 19, Sch. IV; SOR/97-230, ss. 11 to 15; SOR/98-173, s. 2; SOR/99-371, s. 3; SOR/99-421, s. 2(E); SOR/2000-220, s. 2; SOR/2003-32, s. 6; SOR/2003-37.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

If anyone can find the info on ancillaries like nolva, clomid etc and hgh, it would make this thread complete. I'm looking but I can't find anything.

[Kronis]

If anyone can find the info on ancillaries like nolva, clomid etc and hgh, it would make this thread complete. I'm looking but I can't find anything.

Tamoxifen clomifene would be listed as a obtaining a prescription medication without valid prescription; I'll dig through my criminal code and see what I can find.

edit: wtf. Methandrostenolone (dbol) isn't listed as one of the 43 listed anabolics.

[Mr Ontario]

I wonder how many slap on the wrist you get for selling clomid and nolvadex. lol


Tamoxifen clomifene would be listed as a obtaining a prescription medication without valid prescription; I'll dig through my criminal code and see what I can find.

[bigben]

I can't seem to find any information of hgh. It should be under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, if any, but its not on any schedule I can find to the act.

[St]

Steroid offenses for mere possession are going to be summary, meaning they'll get quickly resolved in court and the punishment will be more or less trivial. For manufacture or distributing/trafficking, the offenses are hybrid, meaning it is the prosecutor's discretion to push for it to be treated as a summary offense or an indictable one. The defendant's prior criminal background (or lack thereof) would have some influence on that decision, depending on what he was found to be involved in.

Speaking of all of this, has anyone heard word one about what happened in court to Illusion or Teragon? I'd presume Illusion has been convicted and sentenced already, and that Teragon's trial is ongoing.

I bet it go's over a year or almost two years,there are many people that went down Illusion and HA, the RCMP and crown would try to say there all working together.

[bigben]

It would be sure valuable to know what amounts of AAS possessed have been cleared of not being enough to be convicted of trafficing. Need someone with access to Quicklaw. Any law students out there?

[Kronis]

It would be sure valuable to know what amounts of AAS possessed have been cleared of not being enough to be convicted of trafficing. Need someone with access to Quicklaw. Any law students out there?

I don't think there's a set number. I know the states count each pill or mL as 1 dose, so a bottle of anabol would be 1000 doses of anabolic steroids, but so would 1000 amps of primo.

Obviously there's a huge price, quantity, and intent difference between the two.

I'm almost positive that the Crown would have to prove intent to distribute, so if you have more than a couple cycles worth on hand you should be fine.

If you get caught receiving a pack then you're still committing an offence, no matter how much it is.

[megwell]

gh?

[spiderman7]

gh?

Think it may be in the same lines as Clomid and Nolva.

[Mr Ontario]

Personal use Only is fine!

[megwell]

i;ve been told that personal use is fine....... i'd like to see exactly where it stands in the eyes of the law....... thanks for the replies.

[Mr Ontario]

Unless the police who has expertise in this area come on here and tells us...we probably will know the actual amount and every district/town may be different due how busy/bored they are. Cops probably can make a case/big deal about anything and everything....Will it stand up in court is another thing/Waste of tax payers money and courts time....the judge could be pissed!


i;ve been told that personal use is fine....... i'd like to see exactly where it stands in the eyes of the law....... thanks for the replies.

[Kronis]

i;ve been told that personal use is fine....... i'd like to see exactly where it stands in the eyes of the law....... thanks for the replies.

personal use is fine, but you're caught receiving or shopping... then you're in trouble. Technically.

[Xplode]

This is the best thread I have seen here on cbb...Thanks for the info

[marcules33]

I've read through this thread and the other one about legalities of steroids. I have a bit of experience, so from what I know and was told that it is illegal to Obtain them in anyway. I am pretty sure that is close to how the law is stated too. For the people out there that say they will just go after you if you are dealing rec's too sorry but you are wrong. Either they get tipped off or they think they have a huge deal on there hands. Now some advice for anyone that gets caught get your lawyer to take the matter to higher court, superior court I think it is. Like I said I have some experience in this so if anyone has questions I will try and answer.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

First question, why take it to a superior court?

[marcules33]

If you take it to a higher court they don't look on it as such a bad crime and you will have an easier chance of either beating it or getting a lesser sentence.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Now, me not knowing a lot about the law, wouldn't this case be critical for any future lawyers representing a client for "using"
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1282

If the guy goes scott free, just ask your lawyer to refer to that case and ask for the same type of punishment. It would be more than fair no? Not even house arrest would be fair if the cop goes scott free as he was on duty and had to not take steroids to uphold the law. In other words he was a law enforcer breaking the law. He should be punished much more severely than a normal citizen. If he gets nothing, then wouldn't it be more than fair for your lawyer to use that case as an example?

[Mr Ontario]

Thats if you only have allot allot of money! I think I will take the probation/fine and call it a day!


First question, why take it to a superior court?

[marcules33]

Musulphreak - the officer only did something illegal to his work, he was only caught using from what I know. As everyone knows it is peferctly legal to use. But if he does get off then any lawyer should refer to his case. I think he won't get much of anything for it anyways but it still can be refered to and help out.


Mr Ontario - there is alot better chance of doing time in lower level court. It will all depend on the judge.

[megwell]

I've been told from someone whom I trust his word as gold........ not law enforcement nor lawyer......... that if someone has even 500 kits of gh......... nothing could happen.... maybe a fine.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

Damn. Best thread I ever saw on this topic. Thanks a bunch.

[Freebsd1977]

First thread I've read here, thanks for the great post.

[Namelessone]

I've asked many cops about this topic and every one of them told me the same thing. Its legal to have and use but you can not sell without getting a trafficking charge.

From the Canadian Department of Defense regarding steroids and military:

http://www.dnd.ca/health/services/health_promotion/engraph/factsheet_anabolicSteroid_e.asp

Are anabolic steroids illegal? In Canada, anabolic steroids and their derivatives are considered "Controlled Substances" and as such it is illegal to manufacture, import, export or sell these substances. Canadian Forces members are not exempt from this legislation and this is further reiterated in the Canadian Forces Drug Control Program as outlined in CFAO 19-21. Despite all of the above, using anabolic steroids is not illegal.

[ManInTheBox]

Been a while since I've been here, life's tough n' everything.

Anyways, as to the question of how much constitutes as posession for purposes of trafficking, the answer is that it is a question of law. What that means in legal termonology, is that such a question would have to be brought to court and answered on a case-by-case basis. Thus, there is no set definition either in codified statute law, case law or common law. Theoretically possession of a 1mg pill could be considered enough for trafficking, though I assure you no court would convict based on this.

Though, the focus of a trafficking charge is to show before the court that there was reasonable grounds to believe the individual intended to traffick the substance or that there was prima facie evidence of trafficking (caught them in the act.)

As far as the link provided by MP is concerned, the article deals not with a violation of law per se, but employment standards set out in the Police Services Act. He will not see criminal charges (well, the stalking would apply) though he would in all probability be fired, or if the PRP is nice enough, offer him the opportunity to resign.

And to add my affirmation(as I've done so before) use of Anabolic Steroids is not an offence. Any officer that states otherwise would be suggested to brush up on his knowledge of the Controlled Drugs and Substances act. However, an interesting thing to note that previously (to my knowledge) Anabolic Steroids were once classified as Schedule III substances prior to the current iteration of the CDSA.

Ironically, it would seem that politicians actually somewhat acknowledge that AS are not as dangerous as certain backward-politicians of our southern neighbours would lead people to believe.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Come around more often MITB. I enjoy your posts.

[Namelessone]

Been a while since I've been here, life's tough n' everything.

Anyways, as to the question of how much constitutes as posession for purposes of trafficking, the answer is that it is a question of law. What that means in legal termonology, is that such a question would have to be brought to court and answered on a case-by-case basis. Thus, there is no set definition either in codified statute law, case law or common law. Theoretically possession of a 1mg pill could be considered enough for trafficking, though I assure you no court would convict based on this.

Though, the focus of a trafficking charge is to show before the court that there was reasonable grounds to believe the individual intended to traffick the substance or that there was prima facie evidence of trafficking (caught them in the act.)

As far as the link provided by MP is concerned, the article deals not with a violation of law per se, but employment standards set out in the Police Services Act. He will not see criminal charges (well, the stalking would apply) though he would in all probability be fired, or if the PRP is nice enough, offer him the opportunity to resign.

And to add my affirmation(as I've done so before) use of Anabolic Steroids is not an offence. Any officer that states otherwise would be suggested to brush up on his knowledge of the Controlled Drugs and Substances act. However, an interesting thing to note that previously (to my knowledge) Anabolic Steroids were once classified as Schedule III substances prior to the current iteration of the CDSA.

Ironically, it would seem that politicians actually somewhat acknowledge that AS are not as dangerous as certain backward-politicians of our southern neighbours would lead people to believe.

Clearly your in the law field or just have one heck of a good understanding of it. That was a great read and much relief.

God Bless Canada!!!

[Testa]

What would it take to be charged with importing? Do they need a controled delivery in order to make a case?

[Grunt76]

I don't see where it says they are illegal to buy.


Copying from the Act:

(2) No person shall seek or obtain

(a) a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV, or

(b) an authorization to obtain a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV

from a practitioner, unless the person discloses to the practitioner particulars relating to the acquisition by the person of every substance in those Schedules, and of every authorization to obtain such substances, from any other practitioner within the preceding thirty days.


The section refers to acquiring from a "practitioner". Defined as: "practitioner" means a person who is registered and entitled under the laws of a province to practise in that province the profession of medicine, dentistry or veterinary medicine, and includes any other person or class of persons prescribed as a practitioner;

So I don't see an offence for buying in and of itself, unless its from a Doctor or Vet and you fail to disclose prior authorizations within the past 30 days.

I want to come back to this. It says, to seek to obtain [the stuff or authorization to obtain it] from a practicioner.

Is there another paragraph that talks of attempting to obtain from other ways?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Read the charges. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/nb/news/Dec2107_150557.html

Note: there is a difference between trafficking steroids and FDA drug (read GH, cialis, viagra, etc..) and CONSPIRACY to traffic.

Also the meaning of trafficking is:

traffic - buying and selling; especially illicit trade

Note the word buying.

Need any more proof that it's all illegal? Be careful in what you all do. Nothing is safe on the net. Everything leaves a trail. And LE has all the time in the world to investigate and watch. I don't know what else you guys need to understand that anyone doing anything illegal has a very big chance to get caught. You can quote me on that.

[ManInTheBox]

I want to come back to this. It says, to seek to obtain [the stuff or authorization to obtain it] from a practicioner.

Is there another paragraph that talks of attempting to obtain from other ways?

No. Attempting to obtain, or obtaining a schedule IV drug from another "source" is not an offence. I'd like to stress that there is no CDSA offence for "buying" any controlled substance. Buying an illicit drug predicates posession, hence why posession is the offence. When it comes to buying/selling there is only possession/trafficking as a charge.

Take a look at the list of OJB charges MP posted. You'll see everything is trafficking/conspiracy to commit pertaining to AAS.

[Mr Ontario]

People will do and say whatever to justify what they are doing in their head that what there doing it's illegal. Test the waters and see :)

[Kronis]

As it's been said earlier, AAS are in a grey area in that you cannot buy or sell them, but if you happen to find them, or they magically appear you're free to take them.

If LE wants to prove that you bought them I'm sure they can, luckily it's not worth their time for personal users.

[BolicPower]

bump, for anymore info on this subject. Great thread

[jackson420]

I will be in Thailand this winter and want to know if its legal to bring back some gear to Canada if i obtain a prescription from a Thai doctor?? Any help would be appreciated.

[ManInTheBox]

You may import into Canada, up to a three month supply of prescription medicine for personal use, or for an immediate family member you are travelling with. You must also bring the drug over the border in hospital or pharmacy dispensed packaging. In addition, you must have a copy of the original prescription and make sure both generic and brand names of the drug are included (to avoid hassle).

Normally, simple posession isn't whats scrutinized, but the fact that you are technically importing a controlled substance. Make sure yoy have a copy of the script or you can potentially face ramifications at the airport. Also, make sure to declare it as personal use.

Also, for further follow-up, consider contacting your local police department/MP for consultation.

[jackson420]

MITB you have been a wonderful help thank you!!! How much is a three month supply?? :a+

[spitfire]

Nice thread.

[spitfire]

In case anyone has ever wondered. This is part of the human rights based off the UN's website.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.


Of course as long as you don't infringe on some else's basic human rights.

[MikeyFXD35]

Its sad....I could go out and in 5 mins score pot, coke, acid what ever I wanted, no problem, no hassle, most likely right I front everyone but try and find some gear forget it. I don't understand the issue. The only person effected is you and you most likely lead a healthier lifestyle then most but you are a criminal. Its BS you ask me.

[spritz0]

How about some of the widely available "TREN" supplements you see advertised in USA? I think they might be re-worked prohormones, but damn I'd LOVE to get a few bottles of these in Vancouver!!

[macka]

How about some of the widely available "TREN" supplements you see advertised in USA? I think they might be re-worked prohormones, but damn I'd LOVE to get a few bottles of these in Vancouver!!

why prohormones aren't the shiznet, they are mostly junk

[guest]

edit: wtf. Methandrostenolone (dbol) isn't listed as one of the 43 listed anabolics.

Metandienone is. same thing.

[uks]

I didn't find Clomiphene citrate and clenbuterol in the Schedule. Does that mean these drugs are completely legal in Canada without prescription?

[Tiamat]

Not scheduled but they are prescription meds so not legal to purchase or distribute without a script.

I don't think clen is even sold in Canada if I'm correct. They use a different medication here for bronchitis.

[CanadianIron]

Good thread.

[baza]

Not scheduled but they are prescription meds so not legal to purchase or distribute without a script.

I don't think clen is even sold in Canada if I'm correct. They use a different medication here for bronchitis.

Used to be easily available for horses all over Canada.

[dremen]

First off there are a lot of sources here in the north to get from and if it's packaged half assed Canada Post will have it to you on time. If you decide to order your goods from over the pond make sure items are being sent with no sig needed and then if you are ever asked to sign you can say no or you can chance it and sign.

For the average user it's not even worth it for LEO to knock on are doors......lol

Do you guys have any idea the amount of contraband(sp?)that customs nabs each day? Let me tell you it a ****ing but load.

I have a t-shirt that reads "I use steroids and the cops can't do shit, ask me why."

GOD BLESS CANADA:fwave

[Thorgrim]

So basically AAS are about as illegal as raw milk. How ****ed up is that? Illegal to buy or sell but not illegal to posses or use.

If trafficking is to buy or sell then is there anything stopping someone from giving the stuff away? Something to think about.

BTW, ever wonder why they call the cars on the road traffic?

[baza]

If trafficking is to buy or sell then is there anything stopping someone from giving the stuff away? Something to think about.

Traffic
(a) to sell, administer, give, transfer, transport, send or deliver the substance,

If you even talk about the above, you can be charged with trafficking, so no, there is no loop hole.

[Thorgrim]

It would appear after looking at the interpretation section that you are correct. As usual they have redefined the meanings of the words as they apply to the Controlled Substances Act. They have even redefined the word sell to include giving away for nothing. What a bunch of cock smokers. They do this intentionally so the average person can't understand the law. If you read these Acts assuming that words have their common meanings you will be lost.


“sell”
« vente »

“sell” includes offer for sale, expose for sale, have in possession for sale and distribute, whether or not the distribution is made for consideration


New link to the Act they have changed their website.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-38.8/index.html

[rchurchill]

you should all thank your lucky stars we live in Canada. mostly, law enforcement has no interest in gear unless it is a LARGE bust. a couple of RCMP that I am aquainted with have told me steroids are not even on their radar for the most part. this comes from a guy that specializes in knocking over grow ops. believe me, they have bigger fish to fry.

[YYZgeddylee]

If I found myself in court for such things, I would have
my legal agent ask "Is there an injured party ?"
Criminal law NEEDS a victim..an injured party
Most accused just roll over and play dead and
most lawyers are puppets of the law society.
If you find yourself in a spot, get a legal dictionary
and a copy of the codes these slimey ****s use.
They use all kinds of tricky words that you think
you know the meaning of, but they're put together
in a way to trip you up and shut you down.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ?

thats a perfect example.
you think you know what "understand" means,
but you dont. you know the street meaning.
if you tell a cop or a judge that you "understand",
you sir......are ****ed.

knowledge is power in some situations.

[Memo]

If I found myself in court for such things, I would have
my legal agent ask "Is there an injured party ?"
Criminal law NEEDS a victim..an injured party
Most accused just roll over and play dead and
most lawyers are puppets of the law society.
If you find yourself in a spot, get a legal dictionary
and a copy of the codes these slimey ****s use.
They use all kinds of tricky words that you think
you know the meaning of, but they're put together
in a way to trip you up and shut you down.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ?

thats a perfect example.
you think you know what "understand" means,
but you dont. you know the street meaning.
if you tell a cop or a judge that you "understand",
you sir......are ****ed.

knowledge is power in some situations.

Frightening...

[PdH]

If I found myself in court for such things, I would have
my legal agent ask "Is there an injured party ?"
Criminal law NEEDS a victim..an injured party

Actually, what criminal law needs is the violation of any section or subsection in the Criminal Code. Misinformation is dangerous.

[icey_boi]

Actually, what criminal law needs is the violation of any section or subsection in the Criminal Code. Misinformation is dangerous.

Yes it is.

[Thorgrim]

YYZ is on to something he just didn't explain it very well and he might have meant common law and not criminal law.

To get into the topic would take about 10 pages of explanation and I haven't looked into the fine details regarding common law and AAS. I think I may have brought this topic up on this forum or another body building forum before and there was no interest. So I'm not going to bother trying to convince everyone but there is information out there.

[PdH]

YYZ isn't on to anything but misinterpretation about how the law works. Simply put, you violate a section of the criminal code, you commit a crime. No victim necessary for validity.

[RagingRandy]

^^^^ I guess this would be the same as speeding. There is no victim, yet a crime has been committed. I understand the justification for a victim. It seems to me this is the way the law should work.

[PdH]

Well put it this way, it's a criminal offence to disturb oyster beds or communicate in public for the purposes of prostitution. The regulation of behaviour does not require a victim, why would it, or should it? The premise is that we've all agreed to a social contract, and if we break that contract with behaviour that doesn't conform to the best interests of society, we agree to the sanctions.

[Krazydiamond]

Quick question and its NOT hypothetical. I am currently in Mexico for work finishing up a 3 month run. I will be returning back to Canada sometime in the next week or two where I will be starting my cycle and would like to take advantage of some inexpensive Arimedex and Nolvadex that I have come across. Are AIs and SERMS classified as scheduled drugs or am I good to go? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

[PdH]

They're not scheduled but they are prescription, which requires you to have a valid prescription to bring them back legally.

[Krazydiamond]

thanks Pdh, in that case I wont risk it.

[deletedandgone]

Used to be easily available for horses all over Canada.

So, you can just say that you have a horse with breathing problems and buy clen OTC?

[deletedandgone]

Hypothetical situation: suppose someone in Canada is getting clen (not a controlled substance, but illegal without a prescription) in the mail from overseas and the customs find out. What is the legal penalty? I hope asking this is okay with forum rules. :rulz

[ManInTheBox]

^^^^ I guess this would be the same as speeding. There is no victim, yet a crime has been committed. I understand the justification for a victim. It seems to me this is the way the law should work.

Actually, speeding isn't even a crime :)

[guest]

Actually, speeding isn't even a crime :)

Infraction: A violation, usu. of a rule or local ordinance and usu. not
punishable by incarceration.

[MikhailC]

HGH isn't listed in schedule IV. Is it illegal to order it through the net? (Say - if the Canadian Customs seizes a package of 100-200 iu - what the consequences would be?)

[blp]

no one went in jail for steroid ... always something else,, coke or guns with it,, steroid alone they seized n not much happen after,, if your deeply rich from it it more income tax who might look for you if buy big car cashdown ,, seriously cops dont give a shit,, a investigation so expensive,, cops look for eff 217, real $$$ , it freaking hard sale more then 25000$ of steroid so,, they wont look for text n wired you,,, mayb drug dealer carry steroid just hide real intent

[blp]

HGH isn't listed in schedule IV. Is it illegal to order it through the net? (Say - if the Canadian Customs seizes a package of 100-200 iu - what the consequences would be?)

they flag your adress with a scary letter n do nothing,,

[blp]

Infraction: A violation, usu. of a rule or local ordinance and usu. not
punishable by incarceration.

and who in canada n proove me did jail time for steroid trfficking,, no one,, a ygl lab was seized over millions of steroid in th 80,, the guy went bankrupt they seized everything , car n bla bla ,,, went on wellfare n pay income tax 72$ a month for life,, sad story but no jail time

[blp]

Steroid offenses for mere possession are going to be summary, meaning they'll get quickly resolved in court and the punishment will be more or less trivial. For manufacture or distributing/trafficking, the offenses are hybrid, meaning it is the prosecutor's discretion to push for it to be treated as a summary offense or an indictable one. The defendant's prior criminal background (or lack thereof) would have some influence on that decision, depending on what he was found to be involved in.

Speaking of all of this, has anyone heard word one about what happened in court to Illusion or xxx? I'd presume Illusion has been convicted and sentenced already, and that xxx trial is ongoing.

still strong n u get everything at **$ no cashdown kind a thing so,, they rule ,,over

[blp]

I've been told from someone whom I trust his word as gold........ not law enforcement nor lawyer......... that if someone has even 500 kits of gh......... nothing could happen.... maybe a fine.

exactly,, it's damn right

[blp]

How about some of the widely available "TREN" supplements you see advertised in USA? I think they might be re-worked prohormones, but damn I'd LOVE to get a few bottles of these in Vancouver!!

u open a seashore corpo account in panama where steroid is legal with ****$ n with a international lawer,,, not sake of law heaven's n hide money n make it legal with income tax ,, but to be able to sale on web legally like hardcore growth

[joh]

this is the best thread on this board hands down

[tiramisu]

BLP - Are you aware the law on the importation and manufacture of Schedule IV drugs was changed as of Aug 4 and that these are now considered "Serious Crimes" while simple possession or use has not changed, Customs and the Police are now being told by the legislation that "This is a serious crime" which mean that they will actively prosecute and seek incarceration rather than simply plead it out and make it go away.

While this change is less than a week old, everyone need to be aware that the LAW HAS CHANGED in Canada.

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/20...rs161-eng.html (http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/20...rs161-eng.html)

Vol. 144, No. 16 — August 4, 2010
Registration
SOR/2010-161 July 13, 2010
CRIMINAL CODE
Regulations Prescribing Certain Offences to be Serious Offences

P.C. 2010-932 July 13, 2010
Her Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, pursuant to subsection 467.1(4) (see footnote a) (http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2010/2010-08-04/html/sor-dors161-eng.html#a) of the Criminal Code (see footnote b) (http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2010/2010-08-04/html/sor-dors161-eng.html#b), hereby makes the annexed Regulations Prescribing Certain Offences to be Serious Offences.

REGULATIONS PRESCRIBING CERTAIN OFFENCES TO BE SERIOUS OFFENCES
1. The following offences under the Criminal Code are serious offences that are included in the definition “serious offence” in subsection 467.1(1) of that Act:
(a) keeping a common gaming or betting house (subsection 201(1) and paragraph 201(2)(b));
(b) betting, pool-selling and book-making (section 202);
(c) committing offences in relation to lotteries and games of chance (section 206);
(d) cheating while playing a game or in holding the stakes for a game or in betting (section 209); and
(e) keeping a common bawdy-house (subsection 210(1) and paragraph 210(2)(c)).

2. The following offences under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act are serious offences that are included in the definition “serious offence” in subsection 467.1(1) of the Criminal Code:
(a) trafficking in any substance included in Schedule IV (paragraph 5(3)(c));
(b) trafficking in any substance included in Schedule II in an amount that does not exceed the amount set out for that substance in Schedule VII (subsection 5(4));
(c) importing or exporting any substance included in Schedule IV or V (paragraph 6(3)(c)); and
(d) producing any substance included in Schedule IV (paragraph 7(2)(d)).

[blp]

Yeah n they sign international law against no polymers ephredrine and still present, ppl get custom flag often even lately no prosecution heard of, guy in edmonton get seized 500 bottles winject n b home 2 hours after no sanction follow , your a bit paranoi , fpund me a ontario citizen bber who went in jail for steroid exclusively ? And proof of it plz

It always somrthing else with it , harsher components , always has of 2010 at least

[A_N_T]

what about other peptides? IGF and others...???

[bcaamuscle]

Bump on IGF i'd like to know too thx

[Merc63]

no one went in jail for steroid ... always something else,, coke or guns with it,, steroid alone they seized n not much happen after,, if your deeply rich from it it more income tax who might look for you if buy big car cashdown ,, seriously cops dont give a shit,, a investigation so expensive,, cops look for eff 217, real $$$ , it freaking hard sale more then 25000$ of steroid so,, they wont look for text n wired you,,, mayb drug dealer carry steroid just hide real intent

You have no clue what you are talking about in MANY of your posts.

Docket: 061409223Q1

Glenn England, 20 months PROVINCIAL CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION.

http://www2.albertacourts.ab.ca/jdb%5C2003-%5Cqb%5Ccivil%5C2009%5C2009abqb0251.cor.1.pdf

[28] In result, a sentence of incarceration is the only tool which remains to adequately address
deterrence and denunciation. A sentence of 20 months, in a provincial correctional institution is
appropriate.


NEXT:

Illusions lab.

The 40 year old, who had no previous criminal record, was also sent to prison for two years and nine months.

http://www.southshorenow.ca/archives/2009/021709/news/index022.html

[Makarov]

So the bottom line is, Actually having steroids (In Canada) is perfectly legal for personal use. And cops won't come after you if you don't sign packages, and only order typical personal use sizes (if overseas) or buy personal sizes locally. (Yet doing so you are breaking the law). But the fact is that this break in law is so small to their perspective and so expensive for them to pursue that it's almost pointless.

- BUT, when your ordering (or locally buying) big ammounts of injects, orals, whatever as long as schedule IV, they will nab you for it regardless eventually.

But regardless there's still a chance to be caught, but don't worry, were in Canada, having a personal ammount of test doesn't mean big jail-time like our buddies to the south.

Regardless, personally, I don't see it a big deal for the personal importation of steroids for personal use and neither should our police or so called law enforcers see.

[bountyhunter]

:fwave

[Concentrated]

Curious has anyone had a package or either orals, injectables or raws seized at customs?

(My curiosity is specifically towards raws/orals)

[blp]

You have no clue what you are talking about in MANY of your posts.

Docket: 061409223Q1

Glenn England, 20 months PROVINCIAL CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION.

http://www2.albertacourts.ab.ca/jdb%5C2003-%5Cqb%5Ccivil%5C2009%5C2009abqb0251.cor.1.pdf

[28] In result, a sentence of incarceration is the only tool which remains to adequately address
deterrence and denunciation. A sentence of 20 months, in a provincial correctional institution is
appropriate.


NEXT:

Illusions lab.

The 40 year old, who had no previous criminal record, was also sent to prison for two years and nine months.

http://www.southshorenow.ca/archives/2009/021709/news/index022.html

50k out of steroid mmmmm very shady ,, that guy was into harder drugs , they did not find it , n hold a grasp of what they could ,,, something fishy ,, maybe im delusional i dont see that kinda money in such micro community , too many
players , way too diluted , edmonton have a much greater economy compare to poor montreal tho
this guy declare bankruptcy meaning he had asset , that probably make no sense with personal accounting , probably a non bodybuilder , since bodybuilder on gh very easy to spend black market income ,
get caught importation at is work under is name , that very stupid , that run for trouble

other case , child pornography, yikes ,,

but your right what was grey area now turn borderline ,

but at same time our own solider specially in edmonton are far way from natural

it will turn out criminal soon , it suck

[scottlove]

Curious has anyone had a package or either orals, injectables or raws seized at customs?

(My curiosity is specifically towards raws/orals)I recently had 4 vials of Hcg returned to sender because it was more than a 3 month supply. The seller re-shipped them, 2 in each parcel, and I received all of them.

[Concentrated]

I recently had 4 vials of Hcg returned to sender because it was more than a 3 month supply. The seller re-shipped them, 2 in each parcel, and I received all of them.


..That is actually hilarious. Even though I believe HCG isnt in the same class as AAS. Regardless, thanks brother.

[building]

As it's been said earlier, AAS are in a grey area in that you cannot buy or sell them, but if you happen to find them, or they magically appear you're free to take them.

If LE wants to prove that you bought them I'm sure they can, luckily it's not worth their time for personal users.



ok somebody chime in here,
skip all the bs
bottom line can we americans ,
(question 1) move to canada , ?
(question 2) live like normal people , geta job (food service so i can pig the fk out,,,{calories two thumbs up )
(question 3A) by some act of god obtain 1000000% real sauce ?????????? reeeeeal ?
(question3b by a purchase at a pharm (please elaborate )an get 100000000% reale sauce??????? reeeeal?

[Talo]

1) yes , 2) yes and 3) yes , with a dr. script.

[cog]

I recently had 4 vials of Hcg returned to sender because it was more than a 3 month supply. The seller re-shipped them, 2 in each parcel, and I received all of them.
Any idea if HMG is treated the same as HCG?

[scottlove]

Any idea if HMG is treated the same as HCG?
I have no clue. I would guess if it's in the same class of drugs as the HCG, it would follow the same guideline.

[Jazzzz]

Hi guys, first timer here

Read quote a bit and see myself taking HGH. There is a Canadian website that ships domestically to your place, but you send money via western union out of country. If I order 100iu, can I face any penalty for buying it? How about possession? Thanks a lot!


Not sure if pistig the site is allowed, but if given the green lgt I will share:

[Jazzzz]

Bump

[Jazzzz]

HGH isn't listed in schedule IV. Is it illegal to order it through the net? (Say - if the Canadian Customs seizes a package of 100-200 iu - what the consequences would be?)

Any update?

[BiggerGuy]

I am confused. If it is illegal to posses more than what you need or enough to distribute, how then is it legal for companies in Canada to sell and distribute steroids, say Testosterone? These companies posses more than they need for their own use so how do they distribute the product legally and not be arrested?

This is very confusing to me. So it would be illegal to set up and manufacture and refine Testosterone and sell it to people that need it for bodybuilding or people with low testosterone levels. How is this done?


BiggerGuy