first cycle critque

[bluesteal]

this is my first cylce and i'm keeping it very simple. Pelease tell me, what does everyone think?

week 1-10/ 500mg of test e EW
week 3-13/ 500IUs of HCG ED
week 8-16/ 40mgs of nolvadex ED

[tex]

too much hcg. if yer gonna do it at all use it at the end while the test ic clearing before you start the nolva..... :)

[GYMBRAT]

x2, I'd hold off on the HCG altogether, but keep your nolva on hand...also I'd pin twice a wk
to keep your blood levels at par

[gicantor]

Yeah no HCG this time. It's only 10 weeks of test. Start PCT two weeks after last shot

[theboss]

agree with everyone else....
perhaps go 12 weeks with the Test....those extra 2 weeks can do alot.

[bluesteal]

thx ive already made some changes to how im going to run this
its going to be 1-10 is still 500mg of test e/wk but im going to start the hcg my first week to week 10 @ 250ius 2x/wk then 1000ius etd

[PdH]

What's the point of asking advice if you're just going to ignore it?

[waderow]

What's the point of asking advice if you're just going to ignore it?

word up homie

[kloan]

i'll critique it.... it sucks.

[Diesel_250]

I think that he made the change after he spoke with me on the phone, I don't think that he was ignoring the advice I think he was just looking for somebody to validate what I told him. that being said, I just started playing around with hcg for PCT. There are a lot of folks out there that say to run the hcg at 250-500ius x 2 wk during to prevent the testies from shutting down. I personally have never used hcg during but I am going to be for my next cycle, the longer you can keep your boys from shutting down the better IMO. hcg during may be unnecessary for the cycle that he has posted but I think that hcg during a 16+ week blaster is a must. If I am misinformed about anything please jump in and correct me.

[waderow]

the longer you run hcg, the more you desensitize the leydig cells

this new HCG bandwagon IMO is retarded.

[Diesel_250]

the longer you run hcg, the more you desensitize the leydig cells

this new HCG bandwagon IMO is retarded.


LOL nicely put.

Wade, do you feel that HCG hs it's place in PCT or that it is a complete waste of time? Like I said, I justed used it for PCT for the first time and I had great results. I 'bounced' back quicker and I was able to maintain the majority of my gains.

[waderow]

pct only


Power PCT:
hcg 2500 iu E2D for 16 days
Clomid 50 mg twice/day for 30 days
Nolvadex 20 mg ED for 45 days

this in my opinion is the only way to run it.

[PdH]

Some people do use HCG for an entire cycle when it is warranted. The dosage and length of this cycle does not warrant it. When several vets are consistent with their advice, you can pretty much count on it being the correct advice. I know he's new to the board, but a request that is answered and ignored could reasonably be taken the wrong way. Props to you for stepping up and clarifying the matter. :)

[Diesel_250]

Some people do use HCG for an entire cycle when it is warranted. The dosage and length of this cycle does not warrant it. When several vets are consistent with their advice, you can pretty much count on it being the correct advice. I know he's new to the board, but a request that is answered and ignored could reasonably be taken the wrong way. Props to you for stepping up and clarifying the matter. :)

thank you, I didn't want him to get off on the wrong foot, and he was just listening to what I had said I was going to try for my next cycle in regards to hcg during. I think that I am going to rethink running it during now.

Wade, what do you think about how Praetorian laids out PCT in his thread? Not saying you are wrong by any means, but I followed his way with success. I was just curious what your thoughts were.

[waderow]

what was his way?

I saw him post not to run it during once.

for decades there was no hcg. little or no pct.

then people for years said nolvadex only. then these designer AI's advanced into the scene.

I am all for advancements in the game (see my sub q thread) but I think THE most advanced PCT right now is the power PCT I posted. It is the only MEDICALLY PROVEN pct to return hpta back to normal in the 45 days

[Diesel_250]

this was taken from his thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nisser View Post
What's your opinion on HCG use? Use during cycle with what kind of dosage or at the end? If one were to use it at the end of a cycle with short esters test prop/tren A (where there's no lag between clomid/nolva use), how would you administer it?

DURING THE CYCLE IS FINE TO KEEP THE TESTES SENSITIZED TO LH. FOR LONG ER AND STRONGER CYCLE YOU WILL NEED IT AT THE END BECAUSE CLOMID/NOLVADEX WILL NOT STIMULATE ENOUGH LH TO KICKSTART THE TESTES. WITH LONG ESTER DROP EVERYTHING BUT 500MG PER WEEK TEST. START HCG 1 WEEK AFTER LAST TEST SHOT 2000IU EOD FOR TWO WEEKS THEN START CLOMID. RUN AN AI CONCURRENTLY. FOR SHORT ESTER DROP EVERYTHING BUT TEST KEEP IT TO ABOUT 300MG PER WEEK AND START HCG IMMEDIATELY AFTER LAST TEST SHOT. SAME CYCLE AS ABOVE.
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this is very similar to what I used, I dropped to 500mgs of just test for 3 weeks, I waited a week and started hcg. I did my shots of hcg ETD and I ran it until I used up the 10,000ius I had.

[waderow]

i saw him once post about de-sensitizing leydig cells by using for too long. so beats me. all I know is that you do not NEED hcg during. You do in fact need it after.

[kloan]

2500iu e2d for 16 days?? where's the study that shows this is effective and doesn't cause desensitization? 20,000iu seems like an awful lot to me man... i would never use that much.

i used less than 5000iu total my first cycle with test e only and it worked perfectly fine. started at week 8, used up to a few days before i started PCT with nolva for 30 days. this time around im not going to start at week 8 but do a few bigger doses a couple weeks before the end and up into pct.

everyone's different for sure, but that power pct looks like something someone would run that did a massive cycle and needs more help getting things working again.

oh, and what's with the 100mg of clomid for 30 days? a lot of people are sensitive to clomid and usually cant tolerate that high a dose for prolonged periods. i usually see people who use clomid for 100mg the first week then drop it to 50mg thereafter.

is that pct what you use wade?

[tex]

the 2500iu eod for 2 weeks is for longer, more suppressive cycles......we've been through all of this soo many times before but everyone acts confused when it comes up.....also, ive posted clips from studies on at least one occasion that showed prescribed hcg doses from 2500 to 5000iu PER shot with not even a hint of desensitizing......id be more worried about the future sides of the serms you're taking than a few weeks of hcg.....split the clomid into 2 doses.....i know you were looking for answers from someone else but i couldnt keep my big mouth shut :) hows the cycle goin?!



2500iu e2d for 16 days?? where's the study that shows this is effective and doesn't cause desensitization? 20,000iu seems like an awful lot to me man... i would never use that much.

i used less than 5000iu total my first cycle with test e only and it worked perfectly fine. started at week 8, used up to a few days before i started PCT with nolva for 30 days. this time around im not going to start at week 8 but do a few bigger doses a couple weeks before the end and up into pct.

everyone's different for sure, but that power pct looks like something someone would run that did a massive cycle and needs more help getting things working again.

oh, and what's with the 100mg of clomid for 30 days? a lot of people are sensitive to clomid and usually cant tolerate that high a dose for prolonged periods. i usually see people who use clomid for 100mg the first week then drop it to 50mg thereafter.

is that pct what you use wade?

[kloan]

the 2500iu eod for 2 weeks is for longer, more suppressive cycles......we've been through all of this soo many times before but everyone acts confused when it comes up.....also, ive posted clips from studies on at least one occasion that showed prescribed hcg doses from 2500 to 5000iu PER shot with not even a hint of desensitizing......id be more worried about the future sides of the serms you're taking than a few weeks of hcg.....split the clomid into 2 doses.....i know you were looking for answers from someone else but i couldnt keep my big mouth shut :) hows the cycle goin?!

well tbh ive never seen that much hcg suggested before, so yeah its a bit surprising. on the same note im not that experienced and have only been using for a little while so i havent experienced being so shut down that id need that much help.

cycle's goin alright.. body's giving me problems though which is making it difficult to push myself with the weights.. starting to get a bit pissed off with the whole thing.

[PdH]

body's giving me problems though which is making it difficult to push myself with the weights.. starting to get a bit pissed off with the whole thing.

Sides Bro?

[Diesel_250]

the first couple of days of the clomid was a little rough for me but I got used to it. I was also taking 50mg x 2 as Tex suggested.

[theboss]

lets get back on track......

500mg of Test for 10 weeks........DOES NOT NEED HCG....PERIOD.

[bluesteal]

sorry about at the start of the thread by the way. i wasnt trying to ignore anyones advice. and thx for the help. :)

[kloan]

as mentioned before, you might want to extend it to 12 weeks. when i got to week 10 i decided to keep going.. pushed it to 13 weeks and was glad i did.

if you have enough gear for it, you'll see how you feel then and can decide to extend it or not.

[bluesteal]

as mentioned before, you might want to extend it to 12 weeks. when i got to week 10 i decided to keep going.. pushed it to 13 weeks and was glad i did.

if you have enough gear for it, you'll see how you feel then and can decide to extend it or not.

as of right now i dont have enough to make it to 12 weeks but when i get near 10 and i feel like i should o longer i can get some..thx for the advice everyone.

[Diesel_250]

lets get back on track......

500mg of Test for 10 weeks........DOES NOT NEED HCG....PERIOD.

Just curious how you would lay out your PCT for this cycle. Keeping in mind that this is his first cycle and he is only 19.

[bluesteal]

Just curious how you would lay out your PCT for this cycle. Keeping in mind that this is his first cycle and he is only 19.

I've only taken a few cycles m1t and one cycle of anavar in the past

[waderow]

Just curious how you would lay out your PCT for this cycle. Keeping in mind that this is his first cycle and he is only 19.

week 12, 13 nolvadex 40 ED
week 14, 15, 16, 17 nolvadex 20 ED

[Diesel_250]

Thanks Wade. I guess at his age and such a mild cycle he doesn't need a Power PCT correct?

[buildinthaskinnys]

If his nuts shrivel up like raisins by week 8 he might rethink why he didnt use hcg haha

I still remember what my girlfriend said like it was yesterday, "what happened to your ball's!"

Good thing I had clomid on hand!! even though that didnrt work and I was shut down for a month afterwards, a year later my nuts are still below average, well maybe not I could be paranoid.

[KoN]

Was your cycle the same as his?