Welcome to the Conservative Party

[natenator]

I asked my friend's little girl what she wanted to be when she grows
up. She said she wanted to be Prime Minister of Canada some day. Both
of her parents, NDP supporters, were standing there, so I asked her,
"If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would
do?"

She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people."
Her parents beamed, and said, "Welcome to the NDP Party!"

"Wow...what a worthy goal!" I told her. I continued, "But you don't
have to wait until you're Prime Minister to do that. You can come over
to my house, mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay
you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the
homeless guy hangs out. You can give him the $50 to use toward food
and a new house."

She thought that over or a few seconds, then she looked me straight in
the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the
work, and you can just pay him the $50?"

I smiled and said, "Welcome to the Conservative Party."

Her parents still aren't speaking to me.

[agingtechie]

:-)

I used to be a Conservative. I worked to help get Brian in back in the 80's. I'll never forgive them for 'reducing' the deficit from Aprox 250 Billion to 625 Billion. I am still a conservative. Just not a big C conservative.

On the other hand I did vote for Jack Layton. But that was just to get him and his wife the hell out of Toronto.

[marino]

awesome post I hate the NDP

[trainharder]

awesome post I hate the NDP

Don't even get me started on the NDP...****ing disgusting.

[waderow]

Don't even get me started on the NDP...****ing disgusting.

the local newspaper editor is a NDP, and I mean N D P. ****ing retarded about it.
His wife is phillipino, and is a champion of phillipino foreign temp workers, and fights legally for their rights and their immigration. She is often on the news, and has fought many legal battles with corporations and the govt.

Anyways, he was bitching one day to me about the temp phillipino workers and how they are treated (just like eod for the last year) and he was complaining how they cant get residency.... the damned conservatives are making it impossible for them to get permanent residency.

I said, well arent they "TEMPORARY foreign workers"?

He isnt my friend anymore

[Redz]

Funny how you can simplify something to a child and they see through it but most smart adults cant get their heads around it.

[faller]

I asked my friend's little girl what she wanted to be when she grows
up. She said she wanted to be Prime Minister of Canada some day. Both
of her parents, NDP supporters, were standing there, so I asked her,
"If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would
do?"

She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people."
Her parents beamed, and said, "Welcome to the NDP Party!"

"Wow...what a worthy goal!" I told her. I continued, "But you don't
have to wait until you're Prime Minister to do that. You can come over
to my house, mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay
you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the
homeless guy hangs out. You can give him the $50 to use toward food
and a new house."

She thought that over or a few seconds, then she looked me straight in
the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the
work, and you can just pay him the $50?"

I smiled and said, "Welcome to the Conservative Party."

Her parents still aren't speaking to me.

Have to spread the green around..

[guest]

NDP is useless. they are hecklers that couldn't do half the job if they were given the chance.

[faller]

NDP is useless.

2 terms of those ****ers cost us everything we had! So what do we do? Move to the island, a strong hold for the ****ers! I do however see the irony in that, lol.

[gicantor]

Someone want to fill me in quick? What did the NDP do? Didn't that ****up happened in the late 80's or early 90's? What was this ****up?I have to brush up on my politics one day lol.

[waderow]

Someone want to fill me in quick? What did the NDP do? Didn't that ****up happened in the late 80's or early 90's? What was this ****up?I have to brush up on my politics one day lol.

quickly:

NDP likes gays, and generally putting cocks in peoples asses. If you pay taxes, you get a cock in your ass. If you own property...cock in ass. A business...cock in ass. If you worked hard your whole life and are wealthy....cock in ass.

Liberals generally like to also put their cocks in you ass too, but will at least give you a reach around.

Conservatives general like to just let you do your own thing as long as you follow the laws, traditions and morals that were forged and fought for by our forefathers. Get rich. Pay for what you use. Small govt. Small taxes.

[faller]

quickly:

NDP likes gays, and generally putting cocks in peoples asses. If you pay taxes, you get a cock in your ass. If you own property...cock in ass. A business...cock in ass. If you worked hard your whole life and are wealthy....cock in ass..

Wouldn't have been so bad if they had at least used some lube.

[#8]

The conservative government in canada is a generous blend of liberal ideals as well as conservative ones. i dont know how anyone who works for a living can vote for anyone but the conservative party, unless you like having your money handed out to every asshole who has done nothing to deserve it.

[#8]

P.S. Im growing to like Nate more and more these days, even borderline homosexual kind of love.

If you ever have a sore back or inner thigh I would love to give you a massage.

Same goes for Wade.

:)

[waderow]

Like cheesesteak.

[natenator]

The conservative government in canada is a generous blend of liberal ideals as well as conservative ones. i dont know how anyone who works for a living can vote for anyone but the conservative party, unless you like having your money handed out to every asshole who has done nothing to deserve it.
I am a conservative by nature but I also have some liberal views. I do not and will not vote for Harper. He;'s slim and for a politician that's saying a lot. I just can't give him my vote so the green party gets it lol

[#8]

^^ in all fairness, the green party is a complete waste of a vote. they will never be taken seriously as a political party in canada and you are better off voting for conservative because you agree with ideals. harper is just a means to an end. vote for the PARTY not the PERSON

[natenator]

P.S. Im growing to like Nate more and more these days, even borderline homosexual kind of love.

If you ever have a sore back or inner thigh I would love to give you a massage.

Same goes for Wade.

:)
Don't worry, I'm sure I'll go back to being the asshole you all love to hate soon enough

[natenator]

^^ in all fairness, the green party is a complete waste of a vote. they will never be taken seriously as a political party in canada and you are better off voting for conservative because you agree with ideals. harper is just a means to an end. vote for the PARTY not the PERSON
and there in lies with my problem the Canadian Political system. I wish to vote for a person - my leader who I feel will do the best job running the country and the person I want looking out for the best interests of my region/district.

Green party may be a joke but so is the NDP and plenty of people vote for them. I choose the lesser or 4 evils until a conservative I believe in is at the helm.

[#8]

^^ fair enough. everyone is entitled. the NDP is also kind of a joke and wont be taken seriously in Canada either until they drop their uber socialist agenda and realize that capitalism in Canada does work and it continues to motivate and sustain our economy.

there is no such thing as a communist state either. as soon as true communism / extreme socialism exist you now live under totalitarianism. keep that in mind.

[gicantor]

quickly:

NDP likes gays, and generally putting cocks in peoples asses. If you pay taxes, you get a cock in your ass. If you own property...cock in ass. A business...cock in ass. If you worked hard your whole life and are wealthy....cock in ass.

Liberals generally like to also put their cocks in you ass too, but will at least give you a reach around.

Conservatives general like to just let you do your own thing as long as you follow the laws, traditions and morals that were forged and fought for by our forefathers. Get rich. Pay for what you use. Small govt. Small taxes.

Hmm gotcha. Thanks.

[waderow]

whats wrong with Harper?

He has kept his party together. Stopped the majority of the dramatic bullshit. Tried to do everything he said (unless he was shot down by Libs), and has really done a good job in a minority.

[PdH]

What could possibly be wrong with this guy? :)

http://duggerzzz.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/harper_cowboy.jpg

[waderow]

lol want me to post pics of libs and socialists?

he was likely dressed up for stampede in calgary.... he is a man of the people

[PdH]

lol want me to post pics of libs and socialists?

Yes, I like to laugh.

[waderow]

Yes, I like to laugh.

lol

[waderow]

i would have loved to see someone take care of this criminal

[PdH]

The Jack the Buffoon pics are funny. :)

[rob66679]

:-)

I used to be a Conservative. I worked to help get Brian in back in the 80's. I'll never forgive them for 'reducing' the deficit from Aprox 250 Billion to 625 Billion. I am still a conservative. Just not a big C conservative.

On the other hand I did vote for Jack Layton. But that was just to get him and his wife the hell out of Toronto.

I think all any political party does is tell people what they want to hear, but when they get in office the reality is theres only so much money to spend.

Being self sufficent is a must, there should be no welfare without at least volunteering or furthering education, or some plan that MUST be followed in order to become self sufficent. That is the downfall of welfare, people a la CS who are content to do nothing but leach. Conservative have good ideals in this area.

On the other hand, the Conservatives love to score points trying to look hard on crime, and are currently trying to infringe on our rights to privacy on the internet. I really don't see how being able to search someones internet use without a warrant is a benifit to anybody. I really don't know how anybody who uses AAS or smokes the odd J could be hyping Harper..... If he had a Majority, things could go the way of the USA regarding these things. The biggest thing I don't like about Conservatives is they like to be all up in your ass in the name of public safety..... Well that and that they try to portray themselves as the fiscally responsible party lol... We know how that one ended last time.

The Conservatives have some good ideals, as do all the partys. But none of them is the end-all solution to every problem.

Props to Nate for voting Green, at least he votes which is too hard for 50% of the population.

[waderow]

mulroney has ZERO to do with this party.... get over it

[#8]

^^ lol exactly. mulroney has nothing to do with the current conservative party or any of its policies of platforms.

[Bowlcut]

NDP is useless. they are hecklers that couldn't do half the job if they were given the chance.

You can thank Nanaimo's very own Glen Clark for BC's very own lost decade.

I saw Harper that year in Calgary coming out of a grocery store.
Dude looked like he bought his clothes at some gay leather shop.

[rob66679]

mulroney has ZERO to do with this party.... get over it

The "old" Conservatives have nothing to do with this party.... They had like what 2 seats when they merged?
Todays Conservative party is really just the Reform party in disguise.

[rob66679]

^^ lol exactly. mulroney has nothing to do with the current conservative party or any of its policies of platforms.

Policys and platforms are very similar though. Still tryin to look like the financially responsible, tough on crime, church going big brother.

[Bowlcut]

The "old" Conservatives have nothing to do with this party.... They had like what 2 seats when they merged?
Todays Conservative party is really just the Reform party in disguise.

Are you kidding me? Most of the reformers are done with this party. Monte Solberg, Debra Grey, etc.
Reform stood for small government, end to deficits, and special treatment for Quebec. Harper has practically been on his knees with Quebec's tiny wang in his mouth since day one.
Fiscal imbalance, Quebecois as a nation, vote buying with stimulus projects, and now talk about giving money to Ville Quebec to build an NHL arena.

Today's Conservative Party cares more about votes in Ontario, Quebec, and minorities than it does about its western base. I seem to recall elected senators a significant part of the Reform platform and we saw what Harper did appointing an illiterate ex-hockey coach and mediocre sports commentator to the Senate.

[waderow]

Are you kidding me? Most of the reformers are done with this party. Monte Solberg, Debra Grey, etc.
Reform stood for small government, end to deficits, and special treatment for Quebec. Harper has practically been on his knees with Quebec's tiny wang in his mouth since day one.
Fiscal imbalance, Quebecois as a nation, vote buying with stimulus projects, and now talk about giving money to Ville Quebec to build an NHL arena.

Today's Conservative Party cares more about votes in Ontario, Quebec, and minorities than it does about its western base. I seem to recall elected senators a significant part of the Reform platform and we saw what Harper did appointing an illiterate ex-hockey coach and mediocre sports commentator to the Senate.

precisely why I support a western separation. The eastern vote will always dictate, and the eastern way is too far away from the western way to have a central govt catering to one side. A border is the only answer.... that or more power to the province.

[Bowlcut]

precisely why I support a western separation. The eastern vote will always dictate, and the eastern way is too far away from the western way to have a central govt catering to one side. A border is the only answer.... that or more power to the province.

That is why I promote you dictator of our new republic. We shall have a loose federation with Sask and take the interior of BC whose people have nothing in common with the yuppies of Vancouver.

Make me minister of finance please.

[waderow]

That is why I promote you dictator of our new republic. We shall have a loose federation with Sask and take the interior of BC whose people have nothing in common with the yuppies of Vancouver.

Make me minister of finance please.

lol I prefer "chancellor"

or you could call me "Mein Führer"

[natenator]

precisely why I support a western separation. The eastern vote will always dictate, and the eastern way is too far away from the western way to have a central govt catering to one side. A border is the only answer.... that or more power to the province.
y7ou ****ing people and your separtist shit. Don't like Canada then get the **** out. No one is forcing you to stay here.

[faller]

y7ou ****ing people and your separtist shit. Don't like Canada then get the **** out. No one is forcing you to stay here.

It is because we love Canada that we have to seperate..:D

[waderow]

y7ou ****ing people and your separtist shit. Don't like Canada then get the **** out. No one is forcing you to stay here.

thats my point exactly.... wouldn't separating be "getting the **** out"?

[natenator]

thats my point exactly.... wouldn't separating be "getting the **** out"?
in other words, hop a plane and get to the US or some other country if this one is not suitable to you.

[Bowlcut]

in other words, hop a plane and get to the US or some other country if this one is not suitable to you.

Why would we go to the USA if we love our native Alberta? It is not like we got off the plane and started bitching and asking other people to change to our ways. Quite the contrary.

[natenator]

Why would we go to the USA if we love our native Alberta? It is not like we got off the plane and started bitching and asking other people to change to our ways. Quite the contrary.
Unless you settled the area then it is not YOUR Alberta and you have ZERO to bitch about.

[waderow]

Unless you settled the area then it is not YOUR Alberta and you have ZERO to bitch about.

My family, and I believe Bowlcuts family homesteaded, as did many many Albertans families... It is a unique province, and that is why you tend to see so much passion for it

[natenator]

My family, and I believe Bowlcuts family homesteaded, as did many many Albertans families... It is a unique province, and that is why you tend to see so much passion for it
All provinces are unique. BC is unique. Ontario is Unique. Quebec is Unique and all of the east is Unique.

Every single province is unique.

[waderow]

precisely, too unique for a central government which appeases only Ontario and Quebec

[natenator]

precisely, too unique for a central government which appeases only Ontario and Quebec
Are you kidding? If not for the riches of Ontario in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's where would the other provinces be?

Quebec I don't even bring into this question because they have their heads shoved so far up their ass its not even funny. All they want is a hand out and they use it as bribery of elected officials. Ontario can easily stand on it's own and doesn't require a Federal handout.

You have Oil and that's the only reason you folks believe what you do. Take your oil away and what do you have to sustain you? Farming? Enjoy...

[waderow]

Are you kidding? If not for the riches of Ontario in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's where would the other provinces be?

Quebec I don't even bring into this question because they have their heads shoved so far up their ass its not even funny. All they want is a hand out and they use it as bribery of elected officials. Ontario can easily stand on it's own and doesn't require a Federal handout.

You have Oil and that's the only reason you folks believe what you do. Take your oil away and what do you have to sustain you? Farming? Enjoy...

Can you back up how Ontario made Alberta what it is today?

We have energy, yes. you sound bitter and Jealous. lol

Besides petroleum energy (largest reserves in world perhaps???), we have forestry, agriculture, manufacturing, technology, wind energy, hydro, some day soon...nuclear, etc etc etc
Alberta is well rounded now, but to ignorant Ontario folk, we are just a bunch of redneck hicks. Keep in mind, we have the the UofA which is a world leader in nanotechnology, and other medically related fields.

You say Ontario is such a beacon of light and you use the excuse "take away the oil bla bla bla" well what if you take away Ontarios main industry where would you be? See how stupid that argument is? Where would Canada be without Alberta oil?
Point is...."what if's" don't matter.
Reality is Alberta does not need Canada and surely does not need an eastern based Central Govt forcing eastern ideology upon us. Apparently (according to the East), Canada does not need Alberta, so why the anger? Why aren't you happy to be rid of us redneck yocals... I can answer that....Because you need us to support Canada....a failing country. Do you know what a transfer payment is?

You should also note that your economy is greatly affected by industry, such as automobile. And how is that going for you? Stimulus and bailouts. Do you recall what happened last year when Harper nearly had a vote of non-confidence in the house and the coalition govt led by the Libs was poised to take power? Recall what led up to that?

In the future, you will likely lose most of your industry as more and more manufacturing goes to 3rd world for cheap labour. Is Ont going to rely on pulp and paper? Forestry? Agriculture? Maybe you can tell me......Good luck.

[natenator]

Can you back up how Ontario made Alberta what it is today?

We have energy, yes. you sound bitter and Jealous. lol

Besides petroleum energy (largest reserves in world perhaps???), we have forestry, agriculture, manufacturing, technology, wind energy, hydro, some day soon...nuclear, etc etc etc
Alberta is well rounded now, but to ignorant Ontario folk, we are just a bunch of redneck hicks. Keep in mind, we have the the UofA which is a world leader in nanotechnology, and other medically related fields.

You say Ontario is such a beacon of light and you use the excuse "take away the oil bla bla bla" well what if you take away Ontarios main industry where would you be? See how stupid that argument is? Where would Canada be without Alberta oil?
Point is...."what if's" don't matter.
Reality is Alberta does not need Canada and surely does not need an eastern based Central Govt forcing eastern ideology upon us. Apparently (according to the East), Canada does not need Alberta, so why the anger? Why aren't you happy to be rid of us redneck yocals... I can answer that....Because you need us to support Canada....a failing country. Do you know what a transfer payment is?

You should also note that your economy is greatly affected by industry, such as automobile. And how is that going for you? Stimulus and bailouts. Do you recall what happened last year when Harper nearly had a vote of non-confidence in the house and the coalition govt led by the Libs was poised to take power? Recall what led up to that?

In the future, you will likely lose most of your industry as more and more manufacturing goes to 3rd world for cheap labour. Is Ont going to rely on pulp and paper? Forestry? Agriculture? Maybe you can tell me......Good luck.
don't have time to reply to all but will get to this. This, however, I'll ask: bitter and jealous of what?

What I am pissed at is people holding the opinion that they'd be better off separating from Canada. I guess that's what I am bitter about.

And d'uh yeah I know what a transfer payment is. Ontario has paid its fair share over the years. Until 09-10 fiscal year, from 72 when this policy was established, Ontario was the only province to have never received an equalization payment.

argh, I be back...!

[marino]

If this country was to address the disparity of seats in the house of commons in relation to the majority of seats being held by Ont and Que. The population in the west should warrant additional seats being added out west or a number of seats being taken away from the east and redistributed to the West. This would solve the problems with having to appease the eastern voters to solidify an election. My two cents

[waderow]

don't have time to reply to all but will get to this. This, however, I'll ask: bitter and jealous of what?

What I am pissed at is people holding the opinion that they'd be better off separating from Canada. I guess that's what I am bitter about.

And d'uh yeah I know what a transfer payment is. Ontario has paid its fair share over the years. Until 09-10 fiscal year, from 72 when this policy was established, Ontario was the only province to have never received an equalization payment.

argh, I be back...!

I would prefer to leave Canada intact.
But there NEEDS to be more power to the province. Ontario wants to do things one way, and have strong socialist and liberal views? Good. I could care less and I will laugh when I am 90 years old and the east is wondering how the **** to undo what you are doing today.


about transfer payments... Ont will get $350mil this year, and have been getting transfer payments for years, although not from the equalization program.... but from govt spending.

[Bowlcut]

Ontario got it in the ass with equalization which is the dumbest program in the world. Transferring wealth does not create wealth or if it did welfare would be a huge success.

The reason Ontario did so well was from protectionism. Why did western farmers have to pay more for Ontario made tractors in the 1950's when they could have bought superior ones made in Deerborn, Illinois?

Succession is an inalienable right of people who no longer consent to a form of government. We wouldn't ask people the people in the Baltics or Ukraine not separate from Russian domination now would we?

[Bowlcut]

If this country was to address the disparity of seats in the house of commons in relation to the majority of seats being held by Ont and Que. The population in the west should warrant additional seats being added out west or a number of seats being taken away from the east and redistributed to the West. This would solve the problems with having to appease the eastern voters to solidify an election. My two cents

If the House seats reflect the change in demographics in the next 30 all the new seats will be in Ont, AB, BC, and a few in Sask. Quebec's influence is going to diminish over time and no longer will the country be held hostage to sovereigntists.

[natenator]

If the House seats reflect the change in demographics in the next 30 all the new seats will be in Ont, AB, BC, and a few in Sask. Quebec's influence is going to diminish over time and no longer will the country be held hostage to sovereigntists.
And I'd be happy to support that.

[rob66679]

Can you back up how Ontario made Alberta what it is today?

We have energy, yes. you sound bitter and Jealous. lol

Besides petroleum energy (largest reserves in world perhaps???), we have forestry, agriculture, manufacturing, technology, wind energy, hydro, some day soon...nuclear, etc etc etc
Alberta is well rounded now, but to ignorant Ontario folk, we are just a bunch of redneck hicks. Keep in mind, we have the the UofA which is a world leader in nanotechnology, and other medically related fields.

You say Ontario is such a beacon of light and you use the excuse "take away the oil bla bla bla" well what if you take away Ontarios main industry where would you be? See how stupid that argument is? Where would Canada be without Alberta oil?
Point is...."what if's" don't matter.
Reality is Alberta does not need Canada and surely does not need an eastern based Central Govt forcing eastern ideology upon us. Apparently (according to the East), Canada does not need Alberta, so why the anger? Why aren't you happy to be rid of us redneck yocals... I can answer that....Because you need us to support Canada....a failing country. Do you know what a transfer payment is?

You should also note that your economy is greatly affected by industry, such as automobile. And how is that going for you? Stimulus and bailouts. Do you recall what happened last year when Harper nearly had a vote of non-confidence in the house and the coalition govt led by the Libs was poised to take power? Recall what led up to that?

In the future, you will likely lose most of your industry as more and more manufacturing goes to 3rd world for cheap labour. Is Ont going to rely on pulp and paper? Forestry? Agriculture? Maybe you can tell me......Good luck.

Bottom line is the only thing that separates Alberta from the rest of Canada in terms of prosperity is oil.
When the bottom fell out of oil prices this time last year is the same time your un-employment rate doubled. All you are is Ontario with oil.
You think your non-existent sales tax is from forestry? You think your 20 billion dollar rainy day fund is from farming?

You can talk all the separatist bull you want, but 20 years from now when a real alternative to oil is developed, your tune will change. Ontario is a victim of the global economy ( a Conservative signed on first correct ? ) and manufacturing is on the way out. Unfortunately they don't have an ocean of oil to fall back on.

[faller]

but 20 years from now when a real alternative to oil is developed, .

LOL, not gonna happen.

[cog]

One of the saddest parts of the oil business is that it could have been owned mostly by us Canadians.When Alberta needed investment in the 50's and 60's eastern Canada wasn't interested.They could buy dirt cheap foreign oil...and refineries were located in east end Montreal.When Petro Canada was formed,did they hire anybody with real patch experience?No,they got that ****tard that went to Cuba on a government jet every weekend and ran it into the ground.Anyhoo,Nate shouldn't be pissed,the view from here says Canada is paralyzed at the moment.Eventually we'll be borrowing just to pay gov employee pensions....

[Bowlcut]

One of the saddest parts of the oil business is that it could have been owned mostly by us Canadians.When Alberta needed investment in the 50's and 60's eastern Canada wasn't interested.They could buy dirt cheap foreign oil...and refineries were located in east end Montreal.When Petro Canada was formed,did they hire anybody with real patch experience?No,they got that ****tard that went to Cuba on a government jet every weekend and ran it into the ground.Anyhoo,Nate shouldn't be pissed,the view from here says Canada is paralyzed at the moment.Eventually we'll be borrowing just to pay gov employee pensions....

Look at city unions in Calgary or MTL and their wages. These guys get benefits for doing a job we could get Mexicans to do for 1/3 of the price minus all the complaining.

[CanadianIron]

I dont think separation will happen in any of our lifetimes. Just vote conservative and cross your fingers.

[CanadianIron]

Look at city unions in Calgary or MTL and their wages. These guys get benefits for doing a job we could get Mexicans to do for 1/3 of the price minus all the complaining.

Only if we're willing to lower our living standards to reflect those of Mexico... no thanks.

[natenator]

I dont think separation will happen in any of our lifetimes. Just vote conservative and cross your fingers.
Not until Harper is no longer leading the party.

I cannot give him my vote.

[faller]

I cannot give him my vote.

I've never given a party or party member my vote, its always been a vote against a party. ****ing sad i know...

[rob66679]

Look at city unions in Calgary or MTL and their wages. These guys get benefits for doing a job we could get Mexicans to do for 1/3 of the price minus all the complaining.

Love sticking it to the little guy don't ya?
Yeah, we should import even more foriegn workers to take even more wealth out of this country lol. Hell, Mexicans...... Why not Haitians or Somalis? They'd be even cheaper..... We'll get them to do all the work, eliminate all middle class jobs..... So in the end the few at the top will be rich, and everybody else will have to work for 3rd world wages.... You happen to own a wallmart or 2?
The biggest ****ing problem MTL has is mob influence in their infastructure. It costs 30% more in MTL to pave a road than anywhere else, the corruption is amazing. Some guy making 50k a year isn't the problem.
You really need to look at what working conditions were like before there were any unions bro. Unions made the 40 hr work week, overtime, safe conditions.... LONG before the government regulated it.
There was no middle class before unions, and your attitude is why the middle class is constantly shrinking.

But then that would require reading, thinking... way easier just repeating whatever Fox News says isn't it?

[rob66679]

I've never given a party or party member my vote, its always been a vote against a party. ****ing sad i know...

At least you do vote..... Not voting is whats sad.

[Bowlcut]

Only if we're willing to lower our living standards to reflect those of Mexico... no thanks.

Actually paying wages above market levels lowers everyones standard of living. That extra money you pay in taxes could be used to invest in new enterprises and ventures that could increase productivity and though wages may not rise the decrease in product costs would actually result in an increase in real wages.

If paying union workers in MTL $25 an hour to drive around and not do work increased our standard of living MTL would be the richest city around. There was an audit a few years ago that showed that city crews actually work less than 8 hours in a week and the rest of the time is spent in Tim Hortons.

[waderow]

Bottom line is the only thing that separates Alberta from the rest of Canada in terms of prosperity is oil.
When the bottom fell out of oil prices this time last year is the same time your un-employment rate doubled. All you are is Ontario with oil.
You think your non-existent sales tax is from forestry? You think your 20 billion dollar rainy day fund is from farming?

You can talk all the separatist bull you want, but 20 years from now when a real alternative to oil is developed, your tune will change. Ontario is a victim of the global economy ( a Conservative signed on first correct ? ) and manufacturing is on the way out. Unfortunately they don't have an ocean of oil to fall back on.

bro, you know little about this.

okay, we have oil and gas. it is being exploited.

after its gone in 30years? then the new technologies which the oil companies already own will begin to flourish. Hydrogen will be a big part.... and guess who is building hydrogen plants right now? the oil refiners....

[waderow]

Not until Harper is no longer leading the party.

I cannot give him my vote.

why? he is the best PM we have ever seen

[natenator]

why? he is the best PM we have ever seen
back that statement up please. And, do it without bias.

[cog]

Love sticking it to the little guy don't ya?
Yeah, we should import even more foriegn workers to take even more wealth out of this country lol. Hell, Mexicans...... Why not Haitians or Somalis? They'd be even cheaper..... We'll get them to do all the work, eliminate all middle class jobs..... So in the end the few at the top will be rich, and everybody else will have to work for 3rd world wages.... You happen to own a wallmart or 2?
The biggest ****ing problem MTL has is mob influence in their infastructure. It costs 30% more in MTL to pave a road than anywhere else, the corruption is amazing. Some guy making 50k a year isn't the problem.
You really need to look at what working conditions were like before there were any unions bro. Unions made the 40 hr work week, overtime, safe conditions.... LONG before the government regulated it.
There was no middle class before unions, and your attitude is why the middle class is constantly shrinking.

But then that would require reading, thinking... way easier just repeating whatever Fox News says isn't it?

Have to agree,just displacing people isn't really going to solve much.Who remembers those Montreal city workers taped sleeping for an entire day shift a few years back?:)

[Bowlcut]

back that statement up please. And, do it without bias.

I am no Harper fan but he has been alright for the only reason of the Tax Free Saving Account. Besides that he is nothing but Liberal Lite. Also he is reforming the immigration system and is going to scrap the gun registry but other than that he hasn't done anything spectacular expect maybe lowering taxes a bit.

[faller]

back that statement up please. And, do it without bias.

Who gives a shit! Take our very own provincial (BC) Gov. Campbel is a fat pasty faced piece of shit, brings in the green tax because " he has noticed a rise in temp. in northern BC", ****ing retard, 6 billion dollar 2 week investment into BC's economy, the list is endless...... BUT..... The alternative is far worse..

I'm sure your green vote will send a strong message :D

[natenator]

Who gives a shit! Take our very own provincial (BC) Gov. Campbel is a fat pasty faced piece of shit, brings in the green tax because " he has noticed a rise in temp. in northern BC", ****ing retard, 6 billion dollar 2 week investment into BC's economy, the list is endless...... BUT..... The alternative is far worse..

I'm sure your green vote will send a strong message :D
I don't care one way or another as I still stand behind what I say but when someone here makes a claim of Harper being the best PM we've seen to date I expect them to factually back up that statement otherwise its biased conjecture.

[rob66679]

bro, you know little about this.

okay, we have oil and gas. it is being exploited.

after its gone in 30years? then the new technologies which the oil companies already own will begin to flourish. Hydrogen will be a big part.... and guess who is building hydrogen plants right now? the oil refiners....


I know little about it? What part of my statement was wrong?

I don't think it will be gone in 30 years, theres still more being discovered on top of the ocean thats already there. I think that as time goes on its going to get so expensive that an alternative has to happen, and the markets will drive it.
Hydrogen? Thats a ways off yet....... Its not going to be coming from underneath Alberta either.

[waderow]

I know little about it? What part of my statement was wrong?

I don't think it will be gone in 30 years, theres still more being discovered on top of the ocean thats already there. I think that as time goes on its going to get so expensive that an alternative has to happen, and the markets will drive it.
Hydrogen? Thats a ways off yet....... Its not going to be coming from underneath Alberta either.

do you really think Hydrogen comes from the ground? If so, I will no longer be debating you due to stupid factor

[waderow]

back that statement up please. And, do it without bias.

harper is trying to do everything he promised. Past liberal PMs get elected on lies. Harper actually told the truth.

I would prefer a stronger conservative, but he is in a minority, so he has to be careful. He is doing a fantastic job dealing with the power hungry opposition in his minority position.

He has lowered taxes (prob the only PM to do so since income tax began)

He has improved US CAN relations (notice how the americans backed off the arctic?)

He has not alienated any regions of CAN (which was a LIB norm to alienate everyone except ON And QB)

He has gained world clout after the MORON Chretien made us a laughing stock

He has handled the recession well, even after the opposition forced him to do some stupid bailouts.

He has fought the idiotic Green bandwagon and kept a level head... - No Carbon Tax is a big part. Want to ruin the country? Carbon tax. ****ing green party, LIB and NDP morons.




I could go on for an hour. If you honestly think Harper is bad for the country, you are a very naive person

[Bowlcut]

do you really think Hydrogen comes from the ground? If so, I will no longer be debating you due to stupid factor

Irony is that in order to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water it takes an electrical current so in order to create the hydrogen electricity is going to need to be generated, most likely from natural gas or coal.

Even if hydrogen is being used there are millions of other products that need petroleum, notably fertilizers, pesticides, and plastic.

[waderow]

^^^ I expect nuclear power plants to be popping up.

As far as plastics?... beats me.

[natenator]

harper is trying to do everything he promised. Past liberal PMs get elected on lies. Harper actually told the truth.

I would prefer a stronger conservative, but he is in a minority, so he has to be careful. He is doing a fantastic job dealing with the power hungry opposition in his minority position.

He has lowered taxes (prob the only PM to do so since income tax began)

He has improved US CAN relations (notice how the americans backed off the arctic?)

He has not alienated any regions of CAN (which was a LIB norm to alienate everyone except ON And QB)

He has gained world clout after the MORON Chretien made us a laughing stock

He has handled the recession well, even after the opposition forced him to do some stupid bailouts.

He has fought the idiotic Green bandwagon and kept a level head... - No Carbon Tax is a big part. Want to ruin the country? Carbon tax. ****ing green party, LIB and NDP morons.




I could go on for an hour. If you honestly think Harper is bad for the country, you are a very naive person
Nothing you've mentioned points to Harper being the best PM we've ever seen. Your grasping at straws.

But, yes he has alienated himself from Toronto and endeared himself to Quebec with his pandering handouts (not saying others don't or haven't as well but I expected different from him. Goes to show he's more worried about keeping his job than he is about doing his job).

He has no transparency like he said he would have. He clamped down on his own MP's and cabinet from speaking to the media or risk the wrath of being booted. What's he trying to hide?

World clout? Prove that please.

Better US-CAN relations? Just because they backed off the arctic? Well true, he has improved US-CAN relations. That's what happens when you were a puppet to Bush.

He is good as a minority PM. Give him a full majority and we will see Bush Jr.

Handled the recession well? What specifically has has he done?

I do not believe Harper to be the Godly figure you've anointed him to be and hope he continues to stay as a minority PM which as I say sucks for me because I am conservative by nature.

[waderow]

Nothing you've mentioned points to Harper being the best PM we've ever seen. Your grasping at straws.

But, yes he has alienated himself from Toronto and endeared himself to Quebec with his pandering handouts (not saying others don't or haven't as well but I expected different from him. Goes to show he's more worried about keeping his job than he is about doing his job).

He has no transparency like he said he would have. He clamped down on his own MP's and cabinet from speaking to the media or risk the wrath of being booted. What's he trying to hide?

World clout? Prove that please.

Better US-CAN relations? Just because they backed off the arctic? Well true, he has improved US-CAN relations. That's what happens when you were a puppet to Bush.

He is good as a minority PM. Give him a full majority and we will see Bush Jr.

Handled the recession well? What specifically has has he done?

I do not believe Harper to be the Godly figure you've anointed him to be and hope he continues to stay as a minority PM which as I say sucks for me because I am conservative by nature.

all your arguments are emotional bias. The east has been brainwashed to hate a leader that god forbid came from the west. Whether you like it or not, Harper has been a great PM, and that is a nice change considering the riff raff you people had running this country historically

[#8]

^^ harper has done more with a minority gov't during a recession than many of our recent PM's could do with a majority gov't during economic boom. (unless you live in queerbec)

i hope trudeau is burning in hell somewhere and i hope chretien and mulroney join him there soon. bob raye can too.

[CanadianIron]

I dont know why people are so hard on politicians, they're elected people pleasers. I dont know how they could possibly make everyone happy. Democracy sucks for politicians.

[natenator]

all your arguments are emotional bias. The east has been brainwashed to hate a leader that god forbid came from the west. Whether you like it or not, Harper has been a great PM, and that is a nice change considering the riff raff you people had running this country historically
You people? What exactly does that mean?

If he did something then I would like it. He hasn't really done anything. Anything he has done has been forced upon him from the other 3 douchebag parties.

Really the only thing I can see that he's actually done was lower taxes. Nice, sure but whatelse? If that's all it takes to become a great PM then sign me up. I'll lower it another 2% lol

This is hardly emotional bais. This is without rose coloured glasses. I didn't drink the Harper koolaid. You, obviously, did.

[rob66679]

do you really think Hydrogen comes from the ground? If so, I will no longer be debating you due to stupid factor

???????
I said hydrogen won't be coming from underneath Alberta...... Like your oil does....... Read what I said again.

[rob66679]

harper is trying to do everything he promised. Past liberal PMs get elected on lies. Harper actually told the truth.

I would prefer a stronger conservative, but he is in a minority, so he has to be careful. He is doing a fantastic job dealing with the power hungry opposition in his minority position.

He has lowered taxes (prob the only PM to do so since income tax began)

He has improved US CAN relations (notice how the americans backed off the arctic?)

He has not alienated any regions of CAN (which was a LIB norm to alienate everyone except ON And QB)

He has gained world clout after the MORON Chretien made us a laughing stock

He has handled the recession well, even after the opposition forced him to do some stupid bailouts.

He has fought the idiotic Green bandwagon and kept a level head... - No Carbon Tax is a big part. Want to ruin the country? Carbon tax. ****ing green party, LIB and NDP morons.




I could go on for an hour. If you honestly think Harper is bad for the country, you are a very naive person

Harper alienated Eastern Canada before he was even elected.
If Chretien standing up to Bush's bullying made for bad relations, so be it. The best thing Chretien did was tell Bush that Canada respected international laws, and stayed out of Iraq.... While Harper was standing up pushing for us to go in. Relations were sunshine and rainbows till Bush came along, Bush alienated the world.
Gained world clout? With who? The Russians are planting their flag in our Arctic..... The Americans never have respected our borders, and have been taking their subs through since day one. Harpers solution was to grant permission, even though the Americans won't officially ask for it, and they'd just through regardless.
The whole media thing is another story, I don't like censorship or media manipulation more than anything. Refusing to take questions that were not pre-approved is shady.
His thing with the Earth being 5000 years old is just plain silly. To each his own, especially religous issues.... But ****, thats just silly.

[waderow]

You people? What exactly does that mean?

If he did something then I would like it. He hasn't really done anything. Anything he has done has been forced upon him from the other 3 douchebag parties.

Really the only thing I can see that he's actually done was lower taxes. Nice, sure but whatelse? If that's all it takes to become a great PM then sign me up. I'll lower it another 2% lol

This is hardly emotional bais. This is without rose coloured glasses. I didn't drink the Harper koolaid. You, obviously, did.

you want to see some results.... vote in a majority. Until then, the people spoiling their ballot on GREEN, and the easterners who refuse to vote in a western leader should politely STFU
No offense of course Nate

[waderow]

???????
I said hydrogen won't be coming from underneath Alberta...... Like your oil does....... Read what I said again.

read mine again.

it will be coming from our hydrogen plants already built, and many more to come

[natenator]

you want to see some results.... vote in a majority. Until then, the people spoiling their ballot on GREEN, and the easterners who refuse to vote in a western leader should politely STFU
No offense of course Nate
refuse? I'm sure you have some sort of stats can data to support your claim that Eastern Canada refuses to vote in a western leader?

How is voting green spoiling my ballot? Voting in this country these days is about voting a lessor of who cares. Green party matches that qualification for me if I cannot support Liberals, NDP or Harper. I guess I should just not vote like the other Canadian spineless jellyfish?

[natenator]

^^ harper has done more with a minority gov't during a recession than many of our recent PM's could do with a majority gov't during economic boom. (unless you live in queerbec)

i hope trudeau is burning in hell somewhere and i hope chretien and mulroney join him there soon. bob raye can too.
What has HE done in a recession?

[faller]

Green party matches that qualification for me

Really?!?! How so?? No seriously, you say you're a conservative, how on Gods "green" (lol) earth do they meet your qualifications??

[natenator]

Really?!?! How so?? No seriously, you say you're a conservative, how on Gods "green" (lol) earth do they meet your qualifications??
In context, faller. Lesser of who cares. Green party is the lesser of who cares when it comes to the dickheads running the Conservatives, Liberals and NDP.

[waderow]

you still haven't said whats wrong with Harper

[natenator]

you still haven't said whats wrong with Harper
I don't have to. I never claimed he was the best PM we've ever had - you did.

The fact I don't trust him or what comes out of his mouth is enough for me. I've met the man on a few occasions and I feel like I've been hit with slime when I have lol.

I guess I just have a higher standard for what a conservative leader should be. To me, Mike Harris is the standard. A man I've met several times and whom I respect and trust to do the RIGHT thing for majority of people (the right choice isn't always the popular choice). Another conservative I respect highly is Ralph Klein. Similar in style to Harriis.

If either of these 2 were running as a federal conservative I would vote for them in an instant. I believe in their desire to do their job than their desire to protect their job by pandering and faking their way through it.

[#8]

harpers government has created more jobs than have been lost since all this economic bullshit happened.

maybe we should bring back the pulp and paper mills like the green party wants....lol

while were at it, we should bring back the steam engine too. and horse drawn carts. that will solve our emissions problems.

[natenator]

harpers government has created more jobs than have been lost since all this economic bullshit happened.

Reference?

And since when can Government create jobs? Unless you are talking about Government jobs that are taxpayer funded?

[#8]

jobs have been created and maintained by not giving in to this carbon tax bullshit that would have put even more people out of jobs, especially westerners who rely on oil jobs.

obviously his gov't didnt directly create jobs but they maintained a successful infrastructure that maintained integrity during a time when world banks were collapsing and people were being laid off left and right.

i get what you are saying about your views of conservatives and other parties, but some credit has to be given where its due.

[natenator]

jobs have been created and maintained by not giving in to this carbon tax bullshit that would have put even more people out of jobs, especially westerners who rely on oil jobs.

obviously his gov't didnt directly create jobs but they maintained a successful infrastructure that maintained integrity during a time when world banks were collapsing and people were being laid off left and right.

i get what you are saying about your views of conservatives and other parties, but some credit has to be given where its due.
I'm happy to give credit where it's due and IF it's due. Liberals were in power during Canada's most prosperous economic period. Does that mean I should give them credit for creating this growth? **** no. They were in the right place at the right time. No credit due to them.

Not doing something is not the same as DOING something.

[#8]

^^ that also happened during Clintons era where america had one of their most prosperous periods of growth as well. the correllation is not a coincidence.

harper managed to keep us afloat and drastically minimize the damage during a period when any other form of gov't would have completely ****ed us. the reason we are not as ****ed as the states right now is 100% because of a conservative gov't. and he did it with a minority.

[waderow]

Klein is my fav man on earth but if he were running for federal he would not even come close. The east can't stomach a klein.

[natenator]

Klein is my fav man on earth but if he were running for federal he would not even come close. The east can't stomach a klein.
we had one in Harris. Most of Ontario bitched and whined but they re-elected him and would have done so again had he not stepped down.

[waderow]

I don't have to. I never claimed he was the best PM we've ever had - you did.

The fact I don't trust him or what comes out of his mouth is enough for me. I've met the man on a few occasions and I feel like I've been hit with slime when I have lol.

I guess I just have a higher standard for what a conservative leader should be. To me, Mike Harris is the standard. A man I've met several times and whom I respect and trust to do the RIGHT thing for majority of people (the right choice isn't always the popular choice). Another conservative I respect highly is Ralph Klein. Similar in style to Harriis.

If either of these 2 were running as a federal conservative I would vote for them in an instant. I believe in their desire to do their job than their desire to protect their job by pandering and faking their way through it.

they had the luxury of majority govts though.

I think Harper would really shine if he wasnt under constant threat of a vote of non-confidence

[#8]

^^ i completely agree. wholeheartedly.

[Durk]

For a guy who looks like he feeds off of the souls of children, I admit harper has been doing fairly well in this type of economic situation.

[Bowlcut]

I think one thing should be made clear. The only jobs Harper has created are government ones. All the other jobs come from entrepreneurs and the private sector where people actually have to perform a service in order to get paid.

99% of politicians are hacks who can't cut it in the private sector (unless through favoritism) or by doing honest work. Martin inherited a fortune, Chretien was a hack, Layton has been a hack, Peter McKay is a hack.

If anyone wants a good read on democracy pick up Hans Herman Hoppe's "Democracy: The God that Failed"

[natenator]

I think one thing should be made clear. The only jobs Harper has created are government ones. All the other jobs come from entrepreneurs and the private sector where people actually have to perform a service in order to get paid.

99% of politicians are hacks who can't cut it in the private sector (unless through favoritism) or by doing honest work. Martin inherited a fortune, Chretien was a hack, Layton has been a hack, Peter McKay is a hack.

If anyone wants a good read on democracy pick up Hans Herman Hoppe's "Democracy: The God that Failed"
Good post. Jersey - take note.


Anyone who truly thinks we live in a democracy is a fool.

[natenator]

For a guy who looks like he feeds off of the souls of children, I admit harper has been doing fairly well in this type of economic situation.
How come no one can tell me what he or his administration has actually done during the current economic situation?

Is Harper and his administration correcting the economic situation or is the market doing it?

Canada wan't as bad off as the US simply because we didn't have the banking loopholes that the US had/has. Hence banking reform. Which, oddly enough, we haven't really had to deal with.

Our issues deal solely with the downfall of he American economy. Most of the businesses I know who laid off people was a direct result of a downtown in their US based ventures. And, a lot of it wasn't even a direct downtown but rather a prediction that one would occur for their businesses which didn't actually materialize.

[rob66679]

^^ that also happened during Clintons era where america had one of their most prosperous periods of growth as well. the correllation is not a coincidence.

harper managed to keep us afloat and drastically minimize the damage during a period when any other form of gov't would have completely ****ed us. the reason we are not as ****ed as the states right now is 100% because of a conservative gov't. and he did it with a minority.

The reason we are not as ****ed as the states is because we have different rules overseeing our banking system. Our Banks still make billion dollar profits while American banks are getting bailouts.
The Conservative government has nothing to do with it at all, give us an example of how they did anything. We are an export driven country, we rise and fall with the states unfortunately. They stop buying, we lose jobs.
That statement about the Conservatives creating more jobs than were lost during the recession needs some backup too........ Unless your talking about all the porky senate jobs he created.... Even though he railed against the senate at one time...

[Bowlcut]

How come no one can tell me what he or his administration has actually done during the current economic situation?

Is Harper and his administration correcting the economic situation or is the market doing it?

Canada wan't as bad off as the US simply because we didn't have the banking loopholes that the US had/has. Hence banking reform. Which, oddly enough, we haven't really had to deal with.

Our issues deal solely with the downfall of he American economy. Most of the businesses I know who laid off people was a direct result of a downtown in their US based ventures. And, a lot of it wasn't even a direct downtown but rather a prediction that one would occur for their businesses which didn't actually materialize.


I do not think you can attribute the lack of severity in Canada when compared to the USA as a result of the lack of bank regulations. The banks in the USA are the most heavily regulated sector of the economy. Canadian banks actually have no reserve requirements on checking accounts whereas the American shave a 10% requirement which means every bank is technically insolvent.

Main differences are that we didn't have a government and central bank induced credit bubble (now we have a housing bubble that is going to make the 1980's look good), and little sub prime lending and debt securitization.

[BAM]

None of them are worthy of a vote.