The edge in athletics

[Heracles]

Im new here, just joined today so bear with me. I am an athlete and I currently compete at a professional level, albeit a very low level. Anyway my question here is more geared towards athletes who compete. Say hypothetically I was a 100m sprinter and I was fast enough to qualify for world championships but couldn't quite make it to the finals. It is my belief that everyone in the finals is on gear and I have not used the stuff....yet. What I am looking for is any advice on what I could use to get that extra step to compete at the highest level. I don't feel it is cheating because I know the top guys are doing it but I feel that at my age I may need a little extra boost.

stats I am 33, 205lbs at 10% body fat and 6 feet tall.

This may sound funny but what I am considering is working out like an animal to obtain maximal strength the weekend of the competition and then maybe use some gear to give me that extra edge. My question here would be could I just use something once to give me kind of a shot of adrenaline for the competition or does something like this exist. They test us immediately after the competition, urine only and I obviously dont want to fail this nor do I want to gain any size whatsoever from gear or draw suspicion upon myself throughout the year by bulking up then cutting down. All I am looking for is to maximize my speed and power at the time of the comp and that is it.

I have looked at cheque drops, test susp, anavar as options, mostly because they clear the system so fast. Winny sounds hard on the joints and I dont need that as I already have a shoulder injury and my knees are getting a little creaky. I have also looked into HGH but $$ and availability are major factors for that.

Im sure this post doesn't make a lot of sense so instead of rambling I will stop there and see what kind of reaction I get. I can give more info as well, I hope everyone understands where Im coming from with this.

Herc

[vakker]

what sport?

[The Brick]

I dont think many will give you advice on how to cheat.

[TryGear]

try Red Bulll....but the caffiene may be too high for a wada test, not much will give you an instant edge and be gone for dope testing.

[Iwant2Grow]

think its going to be more about making your training more effective with something like test susp so you will be stronger and faster by the time the comp comes.. don't think there is a instant fix - also did you ever look at EQ {clears the system in 5months } with test as eq is supposed to increase endurance but again this is more of long term fix
but maybe some of the more experience guys will chime in here

[MMASTAR]

EPO

[MMASTAR]

Erythropoietin (pronounced, ah-rith-ro-poy-tin, and abbreviated, EPO) is a relatively recent entry into the deceitful pursuit of glory. EPO is a protein hormone produced by the kidney. After being released into the blood stream it binds with receptors in the bone marrow, where it stimulates the production of red blood cells (erythrocytes). Medically, EPO is used to treat certain forms of anemia (e.g., due to chronic kidney failure). Logically, since EPO accelerates erythrocyte production it also increases oxygen carrying capacity. This fact did not long escape notice of the athletic community.
Blood doping is the process of artificially increasing the amount of red blood cells in the body in an attempt to improve athletic performance. In the past this was accomplished by transfusion. The athlete would “donate” a unit of blood into storage and then 3 weeks later, after the body had completely replaced the blood loss, transfuse the unit back into the body. This would occur just before a big race, effectively giving the athlete an “extra” unit of blood. This enables performance improvements in endurance sports because of the extra oxygen carrying capacity. The practice has been outlawed. Not just because it is unfair but because of the dangers involved.

EPO has put a whole new spin on blood doping. No need for messy transfusions, just shoot up with EPO to increase your circulating erythrocyte mass. Until recently accurate testing has been difficult because the recombinant human EPO made in the lab is virtually identical to the naturally occurring form and there are no firmly established normal ranges for EPO in the body. The only previously available route to curtail cheating for sports governing bodies was to ban an athlete if the hematocrit (see side bar) level was too high (e.g., above 50%). Thus, over the past 10 – 15 years some athletes chose to cheat because, as long as they kept their hematocrit levels below 50%, there seemed little risk of getting caught. Of course the other way to get caught was highlighted in the disastrous 1998 Tour de France. Several team doctors and personnel from several teams were caught red-handed with thousands of doses of EPO and other banned substances. Ultimately about 50% of the teams withdrew from the race – either for cheating or in protest.

Fortunately, testing technology has now caught up and promises to stem the tide of abuse. There is now an accurate urine test that can detect the differences between normal and synthetic EPO. This test is now the standard and was the sole means to detect for EPO use in the 2004 Athens Olympic Games. The reliability of this test helps explain the cascade of athletes who have been caught and, subsequently, banned from competition. This surge in positive tests will likely decline as the “word” gets out and EPO use declines -- at least until someone figures out a work-around. Of course, there is always the next great pharmacologic or genetic cheat just lurking around the corner to consider.

Ref(1) – Tainted Glory – Doping and Athletic Performance. Noakes, TD. NEJM. 351:9. Aug.26. 2004


Why is EPO dangerous?
The reason that EPO, and transfusion blood doping, is dangerous is because of increased blood viscosity. Basically, whole blood consists of red blood cells and plasma (water, proteins, etc.). The percentage of whole blood that is occupied by the red blood cells is referred to as, the hematocrit. A low hematocrit means dilute (thin) blood, and a high hematocrit mean concentrated (thick) blood. Above a certain hematocrit level whole blood can sludge and clog capillaries. If this happens in the brain it results in a stroke. In the heart, a heart attack. Unfortunately, this has happened to several elite athletes who have used EPO.

EPO use is especially dangerous to athletes who exercise over prolonged periods. A well-conditioned endurance athlete is more dehydration resistant than a sedentary individual. The body accomplishes this by several methods, but one key component is to “hold on” to more water at rest. Circulating whole blood is one location in which this occurs and, thus, can function as a water reservoir. During demanding exercise, as fluid losses mount, water is shifted out of the blood stream (hematocrit rises). If one is already starting with an artificially elevated hematocrit then you can begin to see the problem -- it is a short trip to the critical “sludge zone”.

Additional dangers of EPO include sudden death during sleep, which has killed approximately 18 pro cyclists in the past fifteen years, and the development of antibodies directed against EPO. In this later circumstance the individual develops anemia as a result of the body’s reaction against repeated EPO injections.

[waderow]

if youre at that high of a level, find a competitive trainer.

you might slow yourself down if youre not careful. you need the right combination of everything

[waderow]

I dont think many will give you advice on how to cheat.

****ing kidding me?

[Kronis]

If they test you immediately after there's not really anything you can do. Gear it up before the event and clean out before hand.

That's what Conte says the Jamaican sprinters do.

edit: also, if you're at that high a level you shouldn't have a problem affording HGH. It's not like you need to run it at bodybuilder doses. And EPO is tested for, don't use it pre-event. People get kicked out of the tour every year for it.

...there's a new style EPO that's out which they don't have testing for yet but if you can't afford HGH you can't afford this.

[Heracles]

Woah thanks for the quick replies. For the record I am not a 100m sprinter and I prefer not to mention the sport I compete in. I do not have access to professional trainers that understand gear. I'm not trying to be elusive or vague I am just uncomfortable with the idea of running gear and I've never felt compelled to even read about it until I found out that the majority of athletes are on something. Unfortunately I don't have anyone I compete with that I could talk to about this either. That idea of EPO scares the sheet out of me.

I don't think that there is something that could magically do something for me, currently I have tried a 5 hour energy drink, felt wired but didn't seem faster and more powerful. Maybe I should ask more in the terms of a powerlifter who would like to break his PB's at the meet through an added boost so to speak. As far as my training goes I have increased in every aspect over the last 3 years and have went from being able to qualify to being able to approach the final rounds I'm just that "half a step" behind. Most likely I will just continue to train naturally and do the best I can but I know that most of the top guys are using and I'm just curios as to what they might be doing. I haven't done enough research yet so I'll keep reading and hopefully you guys will bear with me and give me your thoughts.

thanks again.

[vakker]

Bodybuilders off season use drugs that are different from bodybuilders onseasons, and they are all different than the choices power lifters use.


if those 3 main steroids sports are all different, what sort of advice can you expect when you give no specifics to your use?



Woah thanks for the quick replies. For the record I am not a 100m sprinter and I prefer not to mention the sport I compete in. I do not have access to professional trainers that understand gear. I'm not trying to be elusive or vague I am just uncomfortable with the idea of running gear and I've never felt compelled to even read about it until I found out that the majority of athletes are on something. Unfortunately I don't have anyone I compete with that I could talk to about this either. That idea of EPO scares the sheet out of me.

I don't think that there is something that could magically do something for me, currently I have tried a 5 hour energy drink, felt wired but didn't seem faster and more powerful. Maybe I should ask more in the terms of a powerlifter who would like to break his PB's at the meet through an added boost so to speak. As far as my training goes I have increased in every aspect over the last 3 years and have went from being able to qualify to being able to approach the final rounds I'm just that "half a step" behind. Most likely I will just continue to train naturally and do the best I can but I know that most of the top guys are using and I'm just curios as to what they might be doing. I haven't done enough research yet so I'll keep reading and hopefully you guys will bear with me and give me your thoughts.

thanks again.

[waderow]

^^^ this is why you need to find a trainer... a competitive trainer will know about gear

[Heracles]

I guess I am hesitant to say the sport because I don't really want to draw any negative attention to it and I don't make any money at it, I spend more than I make basically. I have to travel to tournaments and pay out of my own pocket. I am not on a national team and I compete as an individual. I am interested in only increasing my ability to be fast and powerful, one quick motion like a javelin thrower, which I also am not. Sorry for the roundabout way i'm describing this I've spent 3 days thinking of how to explain myself but I thought I would just jump in since I couldn't figure anything out. I do appreciate your efforts for reading my posts and trying to figure out how to help me. I hope you guys can understand what I mean and that you don't just flame me or flag me as a moron. I don't want to disrespect my sport in the eyes of the public as we have never had an athlete test positive yet and in the struggling economy we have shrunk the $$ amounts and also the number of tournaments. In closing I would like to once again say thank you for those who have posted and I will continue to read many posts and hopefully I will be able to contribute to the forum as opposed to just take knowledge from it.

I have a long off season so I may just try some stuff out on my own. I will most likely do this in the new year but I will continue to read and hopefully contribute during that time. I'm not trying to end this thread I am just saying thanks.

Herc

[The Brick]

****ing kidding me?

Maybe I was wrong. Really sucks for the guys who play by the rules.

Whatever though, doesn't matter to me, cheat away.

[natenator]

Maybe I was wrong. Really sucks for the guys who play by the rules.

Whatever though, doesn't matter to me, cheat away.
i know not many who play by the rules

[Kronis]

Maybe I was wrong. Really sucks for the guys who play by the rules.

Whatever though, doesn't matter to me, cheat away.

Almost nobody plays by the rules, and it's only cheating if you get caught.

[The Brick]

Wow, different attitude on this board about this issue.

On MN you would be crucified and banned (most likely ala Dr. M) for asking a similar question.

I'm not up on doping in competitive sports, so I will just stay out of it, lol.

Carry on.

[waderow]

I think all anyone could recommend to you then is low dose, and probably a testosterone, and eq cycle... 12 weeks, followed by a good pct.

250mg per week test
300 mg per week eq

sides will be minimal
gains minimal, but you will increase endurance, and be able to train like a banshee

how do they test you? is it very formal and they watch you fill the cup? or is it unorganized and is there notice?

[natenator]

Wow, different attitude on this board about this issue.

On MN you would be crucified and banned (most likely ala Dr. M) for asking a similar question.

I'm not up on doping in competitive sports, so I will just stay out of it, lol.

Carry on.
no one here is condoning it. What we're saying is very few athletes play by the rules. I was a tested athlete and I played by the rules. I would have even if I was not tested. Why? Because I had enough talent that I did not need to worry about someone juiced up beating me out of my job.

Talent was the only way I was going to lose.

[warlock]

The needs of ping pong and synchronized swim are quite different therefore if you want help maybe you should starts helping yourself and trusting people as we don't give a damn about your sport, and we know that every major competitive league has people juicing.

1) disclose the sport
2) let us know when the off season starts and finishes
3) get your answers
4)train/juice
5) win


The best analogy that I have heard is that juice will bring you one step up: if you are at provincial level that will bring you to national, if national to international, if international a chance among the elite.

Think about Flo Jo she took one year off, took care of her body and came back killing everybody and never got caught.

[MMASTAR]

i think you shot put or toss horse shoes...

[MMASTAR]

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12574&highlight=endurance

[Heracles]

I certainly am missing something. I also never realized that so many people would be interested in the sport I compete in. The only thing I wanted to know is what some of the current users have experience with regards to their speed and power when competing in relation to being on and being off. Maybe I should have asked a question more along those lines. Not to be rude but I'm not on here to get training advice that is sport specific, I've trained myself to this level and even though you guys know a lot about training you probably don't know a lot about training for specific sports.

Thanks for the good read MMA, that was good info but your guess unfortunately was wrong.
I'm thinking what I should try is a cycle early in the season and see how fast and powerful I get in regards to my lifts and my performance and then go through PCT and at the end of the time where the drugs would be out of my system then check my lifts and performance against what I started at. I just really don't like the idea of building it all up only to have it all slip away just before I compete.

I am kind of stupid in regard to steroid use and believe it or not I never even considered that fact that I could use them in the off season to train like an animal and far exceed any levels I could achieve and still maintain them after I'm done PCT, I thought it all kind of went away so that's why I was wondering how these guys were beating the drug tests. I thought that your gains basically diminish unless you keep cycling after PCT which I am not a fan of.

They just get you to piss in a cup while they are behind you, they don't check your junk but they do it right after we compete so I'm not even going down that road. The championships are not until late september so I have time to train.

Not sure if any of this info helps but you guys are opening my eyes and once again thank you for your responses.

I will post more on this thread tomorrow unless you guys just want me to kill it and go on my own way.

Herc.

[Kronis]

^^^ they test for pct drugs as masking agents.

You need to have everything out of your system to pass the test.

[Rhinobolt10]

Alritey... First things first...

Do not use EPO or EQ like others have mentioned... they test for Epo now and EQ stays in your system for a long time.

Winstrol is even a dangerous one as a lot of guys get popped for it even after waiting long enough for it to clear the system.

I have never competed in a tested sport, nor passed a drug test, and I know nobody who has either.. but I have heard a lot of stories... So...

Your best options are Test prop and test suspension at low to moderate doses. Even with test suspension you'll have to give it a full 3-6 weeks to clear the system, no pct no nothing.

Other than that... you can use winstrol, masteron, dbol, stuff like that but not within 5 months of testing... and double check the clearance times before you take it.

Within that 5 months nothing but test prop and suspension... drop the prop 12 weeks out... swicth to suspension, drop that 6 weeks out...

Yes suspension will be cleared from your system within a couple days... but your test levels will still be through the roof, and they have to drop back to normal or you'll fail the test.

Other than that, gh and insulin and stand bys for a lot of guys. Insulin is scarey, but it's still used fairly regularily by tested athletes. Research the hell out of it tho.

On game day injectable adrenaline is used by guys... at least it used to be... not sure if they've got a test for that one now.

Knowing what sport you compete in would be handy... but whatever... doesn't really matter... thats the guide to passing drug tests.... gas up like crazy in the off season, and maintain those gains in season... that's all their is to it...

Personally I wouldn't do it... but my sport has untested divisions... and if I was going into the Olympics or something... I feel I wouldn't be trying hard enough if I wasn't using somehting... because yes... every single other athlete is... and a lot of them have the support of an entire chem team behind them.

[musclehead123]

Your stats for sure did not line up with an elite level sprinter. Also adrenaline is very dangerous from what I have heard, so be careful.

If you are in any track and field events they dont always test you after your event. One day they could just knock on your door holding a cup, they might not even let you turn around and this can be in the off season. Or you could be come in last place. Thats why they call it random testing.

There is so much shit out there, I bet you there are steroids that nobody even knows about that athletes are taking. I think one was THG or something like that. Until the WADA was sent a syringe full of the stuff, they had no idea about it.

For all you guys that think steroids is cheating for sports, Im will to bet that 60% or more of a 100m olympic final has used or is using. I remember reading an article in sports illustrated about 12 years ago that said something to the effect that if steroids were legalized in the olympics that only about 10% of performance would increase.

[Heracles]

Thx for the reply rhino that will definitely give me a baseline to build off of. You guys have been very informative and I realized that I am in way over my head. I need more research for sure and even now I'm not 100% sure I can go through with this. I'm such a pussy because I'm getting worried just posting in these forums, when my wife comes in I feel like I have to close the window so she can't see what I'm reading.

Like most first timers I was thinking orals only as I have never stuck a pin in myself nor would I like a steady regiment of them, but as some people realize you have to have the attitude of whatever it takes sometimes.
thanks again, I'm off to do some more research and hopefully I can grow some balls to actually grow through with this, even though they will probably shrink right??

Herc