Oatmeal... prepackage stuff...

[CanadianIron]

I Curious as to whether or not the stuff packaged in the little baggies is better/worse than just bulk oats?

Im addicted to the apples/cinnamon oatmeal but Im going through a box every other day, i usually throw back 4-5 of the packs at a time. Is there any real difference between these oats and quick oats?

I've tried throwing brown cinnamon on the plain quick oats but they dont take anywhere as good as the pre packaged stuff. How do you guys do your oats?

[gsxr750]

There's all kinds of sugar in those packaged ones isn't there?

For my plain oats I just measure 2/3 a cup dry, add cinnamon, 2 packs of sweetner, and a tiny bit of salt. Add in some hot water, let it sit for a minute, stir and eat. Tastes good. Could add your own raisins if you don't mind the extra sugars.

Cheaper I think making it your own too bro

[Ritch]

If you took a second to look at the nutritional info on the side of the box you`d see there`s lot`s of sugar and sodium in them. If memory serves me right they have 38 grams of sugar or something. 4-5 packs at a time? I hope you`re on cycle to absorb that much sugar or taking them post workout c`ause that`s alot of carbs to take in one dose.

If you don`t like the taste of the regular oatmeal which is totally understandable, mix a scoop of chocolate protein and and add some frozen berries to it of which you unthaw before hand.

[trainharder]

I get these ones from Loblaws:

http://www.hitched.ca/files/images/oats.jpg
Steel cut so they're less processed.

[CallmeB]

Each pack has 6g of sugar.So 4-5 packs at a time would be around 30g of sugar. Thats the only diff pretty much.
I cook plain quick oats in the microwave with lots of water so they expand more, add splenda and pumpkin spice or cinnanmon! Mmmm!

[phatkid77]

alex azarian uses the maple and brown sugar.....nuff said...
i like cheaper...but bags do taste better and easier..

phats

[Ritch]

alex azarian uses the maple and brown sugar.....nuff said...
i like cheaper...but bags do taste better and easier..

phats

Who the hell is that dude?

[phatkid77]

google?? lol
a trainer i will be using for my prep nxt yr

[phatkid77]

fine!!!

[Ritch]

Dude`s impressive!

[nisser]

Yeah...a lot of that is sugar. You can have it but realize that it's sugar. Just like the Quaker oatmeal bars...the carbs are half sugar/half oatmeal.

Honestly, if you mesh up half a banana per 1cup dry oatmealm, then microwave it...it tastes pretty damn good and it's not too bad for you.

[PdH]

I mix the raw oats with isolate. Tastes pretty good.

[vlad]

I use quick oats and then just mix in one fat free yogurt. It tastes great and doesn't have much sugar.

[marino]

I know it cause taste pretty bland so I add in raisins and cinnamon for sweeten it up

[JacktheThriller]

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[JacktheThriller]

whatever im sure ur aware of the nutritional facts about the sugar on the side, i dont think ur blindly eating, ur body really doesnt care since it turns all ur carbs into glucose nyway, sugar is easier to process thats all, as long as its not messing with ur macros i wouldnt worry bout it, ur growing according to ur posts so, no i dont think switching to plain oats will have any real change on u

[Ritch]

whatever im sure ur aware of the nutritional facts about the sugar on the side, i dont think ur blindly eating, ur body really doesnt care since it turns all ur carbs into glucose nyway, sugar is easier to process thats all, as long as its not messing with ur macros i wouldnt worry bout it, ur growing according to ur posts so, no i dont think switching to plain oats will have any real change on u

I strongly disagree. What you`re saying here is a carb is a carb and it dosen`t matter if the carbs are from high glycemic or low glycemic. High glycemic carbs spike insuling levels which lead to fat gains and often the desire to snack on other high sugar items. Stick to the plain oats, they`re lower in glycemic value, they will keep you energy/mood levels more stable, and your waist line in check.

[JacktheThriller]

I strongly disagree. What you`re saying here is a carb is a carb and it dosen`t matter if the carbs are from high glycemic or low glycemic. High glycemic carbs spike insuling levels which lead to fat gains and often the desire to snack on other high sugar items. Stick to the plain oats, they`re lower in glycemic value, they will keep you energy/mood levels more stable, and your waist line in check.

So Ritch what results can he expect from elimination 30g of sugar from his diet and switching to complex carb source. Taking nutrition with the all or nothing approach is dumb in my oppinion. All sugar is bad, all complex carbs are good. its not like he is spoon feeding sugar here. it is taken with oats, a slow carb souce, and fibre in the oats would slow the sugar soooooo much. This sugar in breakfast is a great morning kick to get u going. bodybuilders eat all the time so im not sure how much of a factor energy will be, since they are eating most of the day.

[Ritch]

So Ritch what results can he expect from elimination 30g of sugar from his diet and switching to complex carb source. Taking nutrition with the all or nothing approach is dumb in my oppinion. All sugar is bad, all complex carbs are good. its not like he is spoon feeding sugar here. it is taken with oats, a slow carb souce, and fibre in the oats would slow the sugar soooooo much. This sugar in breakfast is a great morning kick to get u going. bodybuilders eat all the time so im not sure how much of a factor energy will be, since they are eating most of the day.

I`d suggest getting sugars from souces that actually have nutrition in them. You see by dropping the packages, he has room for 30 grams of "other more healthy nutrient dense cals, like an apple". The sugar in the oatmeal packs is sugar with zero health benefits. So what you`re advocating here is empty calories dude... The regular oatmeal, with an apple is much more bodybuiliding friendly than the sugar pack oatmeals. This done over time will yield better bodybuilding results. You want specific numbers, I can`t give them to you, but can say without a doubt it`s a better way to do it.

[Ritch]

And in no way am I saying all sugar is bad, I consume 100grams of dextrose post workout...

[JacktheThriller]

granted complex carbs are more ideal but i dont think 30g of sugar is terrible and i dont see it destroying his very DNA lets be real

[Ritch]

granted complex carbs are more ideal but i dont think 30g of sugar is terrible and i dont see it destroying his very DNA lets be real

If, the 30 grams of sugar were taken for breakfast and the guy has very fast metabolism, of course it`s not gonna kill him. But still not the advice I`d give, if you do, that`s fine. Just presenting an argument here which can help influence people who are on the fence...

[ironwill]

Great stuff off season, but precontest its a no go, the insulin spike with 30 grams of sugar will...
1...make you store fat and halt fat burning for quite a long period....
2...give you a crash that hurts worse when doing a precontest diet, and that crash will make you feel like crap....
Off season good to go, any kind of fat burning diet unless a cheat day.....no go....IMO

[JacktheThriller]

If, the 30 grams of sugar were taken for breakfast and the guy has very fast metabolism, of course it`s not gonna kill him. But still not the advice I`d give, if you do, that`s fine. Just presenting an argument here which can help influence people who are on the fence...


Ritch can we hug it out now. LOL i respect your opinions Ritch.

[Ritch]

Ritch can we hug it out now. LOL i respect your opinions Ritch.

:friday

[phatkid77]

i think azarian uses right up till 4wks out or so, thats when he cuts his 3 coors light a day....haha

phats

[Mr Ontario]

Salt...Yuk :)


There's all kinds of sugar in those packaged ones isn't there?

For my plain oats I just measure 2/3 a cup dry, add cinnamon, 2 packs of sweetner, and a tiny bit of salt. Add in some hot water, let it sit for a minute, stir and eat. Tastes good. Could add your own raisins if you don't mind the extra sugars.

Cheaper I think making it your own too bro

[baza]

i think azarian uses right up till 4wks out or so, thats when he cuts his 3 coors light a day....haha

phats

How much cardio does he do?

I use the old fashioned oats ,and eat them plain with cold water. I don't mind it, it's like 2 scoops and they are done. Or I put them in a shake in the blender.

Sure a little sugar here and there won't do much damage, but why consume it if you don't really need it?

That's like saying I could lose weight with two cheat days a week. But I don't really need it, so why bother?

And I could care less what someone's trainer or some bodybuilder has to say. My best friend is around 6% year round, and eats fast food about 5 times a week. I don't think that means I can eat fast food 5 times a week and stay that lean.

When I'm on my low carb day, 80g, I don't care as much if some of it is sugar. But the other days I eliminate it.

[CanadianIron]

Im not too concerned about the sugar, im a very hard gainer. Im was just wondering if the oats still held the same nutritional value, they look more powdery than quick oats, thought they might be a bit more processed.

I'll try some concoctions at home, but generally its difficult where I work to be mixing up oats etc. I have 1 15 min break in the morning and I have to pretty much eat the entire time to get er down.

[baza]

They aren't bad. Obviously the more untouched the better, but it's not going to make a big deal in your case.

[Josh]

I take 1 cup of raw quick oats and pour 1 cup of whole milk over them in a bowl, then eat with a spoon. No microwave. Just cold cereal-like goodness. No whey, sweeteners, berries, etc. I couldn't have them any other way now.

[Scaffer]

I get these ones from Loblaws:

http://www.hitched.ca/files/images/oats.jpg
Steel cut so they're less processed.

it takes forever to cook!

[trainharder]

it takes forever to cook!

I eat them raw with some blueberries...takes no more than 2 minutes to eat.

[baza]

I eat them raw with some blueberries...takes no more than 2 minutes to eat.

I'll assume you've never actually had steal cut oats.

[natenator]

steal cut are awesome!

[trainharder]

I'll assume you've never actually had steal cut oats.

I do every morning - Want me to take a pic tomorrow morning??

:popc

[baza]

It's rock hard like uncooked rice, I couldn't imagine eating that.

[trainharder]

It's rock hard like uncooked rice, I couldn't imagine eating that.

Let it sit in milk for a couple minutes and it softens up a little.

It's an acquired taste but 80g = 300 calories, so depending on your macro needs, you only need a few tablespoons of it.

I have it with blueberries or raspberries to give it some taste.

[heaven_leigh]

granted complex carbs are more ideal but i dont think 30g of sugar is terrible and i dont see it destroying his very DNA lets be real



As per my Naturopathic Nutritionist, the only acceptable forms of sugar is as follows:

Unpasteurized Honey
Maple Syrup
Agrave Syrup
Sucanat
Maple Sugar
Dark Brown Sugar

If you even say artificial sweetener ... he loses his mind

[PdH]

As per my Naturopathic Nutritionist, the only acceptable forms of sugar is as follows:

Unpasteurized Honey - what's the problem with pasteurized honey. Is heating it going to do something worse than my stomach acids?
Maple Syrup - Why is sugar from a tree better than sugar from other plants?
Agrave Syrup - never heard of it but I bet it's a plant
Sucanat - this either - another plant?
Maple Sugar - same tree/plant thing
Dark Brown Sugar - why is light brown sugar evil?

[JonnyO]

Powo might be the only time Id use the sugar package ones. But there are some decent organic ones and sugar free plain ones that might get away with when dieting. I used to use the packages cream of wheat ones when dieting.

[JonnyO]

As per my Naturopathic Nutritionist, the only acceptable forms of sugar is as follows:

Unpasteurized Honey
Maple Syrup
Agrave Syrup
Sucanat
Maple Sugar
Dark Brown Sugar

If you even say artificial sweetener ... he loses his mind

I this guy your teacher or actual nutritionist? Is he going to get you that ripped butt?

[JonnyO]

Unpasteurized Honey - what's the problem with pasteurized honey. Is heating it going to do something worse than my stomach acids?
Maple Syrup - Why is sugar from a tree better than sugar from other plants?
Agrave Syrup - never heard of it but I bet it's a plant
Sucanat - this either - another plant?
Maple Sugar - same tree/plant thing
Dark Brown Sugar - why is light brown sugar evil?

The less processed/refined the better for you, as you can see in the trend of all these sweet items she listed are more in their natural state.

[PdH]

The less processed/refined the better for you, as you can see in the trend of all these sweet items she listed are more in their natural state.

Better for someone how. Sugars are simple carbohydrates and none contain any appreciable nutritional properties. Draining a tree or agave and then boiling it down to a concentrated consistency isn't going to provide any useful nutritional components.

[JonnyO]

shit I dont know...maybe in the heating process is destroying some of their properties?

I'm not against what your saying, I think it's a moot point trying to argue about any of the items listed there really. Its when people are eating things like cupcakes, cookies, donuts, candy bars....the crap sugars found in these things could have a negative impact on your health down the road if eaten regularly. Which really f'ing sucks because I love sweets, but now reserve my cravings for one of my cheat meals rather than after after meal when off-season, lol.

[heaven_leigh]

I this guy your teacher or actual nutritionist? Is he going to get you that ripped butt?

hehe...... He is a real nutritionist and he has very strong views about what is acceptable.

I eat like a cow. I eat massive amounts of carbs and sugar (don't get scared now). Under his watchful eye, my diet has changed from 3 chocolate bars a day to honey, raisins and lot's of oatmeal. When I'm in weight loss mode, I reduce my sugar, not eliminate it.

And...... I have lost 5lbs and 1.5 % body fat since Friday night... hoping to lose 1.5% more over the next 2 days.

[natenator]

hehe...... He is a real nutritionist and he has very strong views about what is acceptable.

I eat like a cow. I eat massive amounts of carbs and sugar (don't get scared now). Under his watchful eye, my diet has changed from 3 chocolate bars a day to honey, raisins and lot's of oatmeal. When I'm in weight loss mode, I reduce my sugar, not eliminate it.

And...... I have lost 5lbs and 1.5 % body fat since Friday night... hoping to lose 1.5% more over the next 2 days.

you've lost water. No appreciable amount of fat is lost in 4 days. Water loss shows up in skin fold/caliper tests as BF% reductions.

[PdH]

I'm not against what your saying, I think it's a moot point trying to argue about any of the items listed there really. Its when people are eating things like cupcakes, cookies, donuts, candy bars....the crap sugars found in these things could have a negative impact on your health down the road if eaten regularly. Which really f'ing sucks because I love sweets, but now reserve my cravings for one of my cheat meals rather than after after meal when off-season, lol.

I agree with your points Bro. I guess what I'm getting at in a roundabout way is that I've seen far too many naturopaths give 'advice' that is simply ridiculous, and people spend thousands for it (ie, don't brush your teeth with toothpaste as it kills too much bacteria, here use my special $20 natural toothpaste; don't drink water that is fluorinated; use this special natural tincture to get rid of pimples, it's suspended in Everclear, etc, etc.).

[heaven_leigh]

you've lost water. No appreciable amount of fat is lost in 4 days. Water loss shows up in skin fold/caliper tests as BF% reductions.

I seriously don't think it's water.... as I am bloated right now. I just started drinking hot water with lemon because my feet and hands are swollen.

[natenator]

I seriously don't think it's water.... as I am bloated right now. I just started drinking hot water with lemon because my feet and hands are swollen.
It's water. Trust me. 4 days one cannot lose an appreciable amount of fat.

[heaven_leigh]

I agree with your points Bro. I guess what I'm getting at in a roundabout way is that I've seen far too many naturopaths give 'advice' that is simply ridiculous, and people spend thousands for it (ie, don't brush your teeth with toothpaste as it kills too much bacteria, here use my special $20 natural toothpaste; don't drink water that is fluorinated; use this special natural tincture to get rid of pimples, it's suspended in Everclear, etc, etc.).


WOW.... The poor guy I see only charged me $60, made no sales pitch and gives me unlimited advice via email. Maybe it's all because I'm a woman....

[baza]

It is pretty much impossible to lose 5lbs of fat in 3 days, without ridiculous muscle loss.

[natenator]

WOW.... The poor guy I see only charged my $60, made no sales pitch and gives me unlimited advice via email for free. Maybe it's all because I'm a women....
your a multiple? wow!

Never done a multiple before...

[heaven_leigh]

It's water. Trust me. 4 days one cannot lose an appreciable amount of fat.

I don't know.... if I lose another 5 lbs over the next 2 days will that be all water too?

[natenator]

I don't know.... if I lose another 5 lbs over the next 2 days will that be all water too?
You might have lost 1lb of fat in those 10lbs but I doubt it would even be that high at this stage.

And, it's ok that you don't know. I do and that's why I can say what I say and have confidence in what I say without having to write "I don't know"

[heaven_leigh]

It is pretty much impossible to lose 5lbs of fat in 3 days, without ridiculous muscle loss.

I took 2 fat burners before a 22 kilometer run today. I figured I burned about 1700 calories. Not feeling to hungry today, I don't think I consumed 1200 calories. Isn't that called a calorie deficit?

[JonnyO]

you would have to be carrying a heck of a lot of body fat in order to lose that much body fat in such as short period of time, and something tells me (22km runs...) that you are not that really holding that much extra body fat..

[ironwill]

I seriously don't think it's water.... as I am bloated right now. I just started drinking hot water with lemon because my feet and hands are swollen.

Its not fat, unless you are some sort of gifted freak....especially for a lady, cant see it happening......

[heaven_leigh]

You might have lost 1lb of fat in those 10lbs but I doubt it would even be that high at this stage.

And, it's ok that you don't know. I do and that's why I can say what I say and have confidence in what I say without having to write "I don't know"


Are you telling me that if I drop 5lbs more Friday, it will be all muscle loss??

How can I tell? What if I can still bench the same amount of weight? What if I can do more push ups this Friday, than the week before? Does muscle loss result in a loss in strength?

[heaven_leigh]

your a multiple? wow!

Never done a multiple before...

OK.....like you don't make grammatical errors.

[ironwill]

Are you telling me that if I drop 5lbs more Friday, it will be all muscle loss??

How can I tell? What if I can still bench the same amount of weight? What if I can do more push ups this Friday, than the week before? Does muscle loss result in a loss in strength?

im not nate, but most will be water, not all muscle loss.....muscle isnt that easy to lose, nor that fast unless you are using t-3 and starving....,but water is the first and most noticeable to go out the door.....

[natenator]

OK.....like you don't make grammatical errors.
Never! Didn't you read my signature? I'm ****in' elite! lol

Just havin fun, just havin fun. If people are makin fun then you are accepted here :)

[natenator]

im not nate, but most will be water, not all muscle loss.....muscle isnt that easy to lose, nor that fast unless you are using t-3 and starving....,but water is the first and most noticeable to go out the door.....
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[trainharder]

Why so much attitude when a lot of people are trying to help??

Could there be a family relation to Cheesesteak?

[nisser]

It's funny how people always get defensive about this shit.

You're not the first person to come on the forums claiming to have lost 10lbs of fat in a few days. Get over yourself: it's water.

[trainharder]

:) it's a lovely signature nate :) and +1 keep up the hard work leigh, you're doing good.

Cheese reminds me of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JMOh-cul6M

"You know what this is? This is my new ****ing haircut! You know what that means? I'm getting some ****ing pussy tonight"

[trainharder]

I'm confused... what was the purpose of the quotation? my comment was cheesy you mean?

It's from the video I posted..

Your comment wasn't cheesy - I'm staying that quote is something you'd expect cheesesteak to say..