Telus is getting the Droid!

[Andre]

I have been with Rogers since my 1st pager over 20 years ago... when the Droid comes out next year I will see what Telus has to offer... I am on a good plan right now (free incoming, free after 6, 700 peak minutes) and 6GB data for my Iphone... Hopefully Telus can beat this...

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Motorola-Milestone-Droid-Is-Canadas-First-Android-Smartphone-118274/

For those who are not familiar with the this phone... it's going to give the Iphone a run for it's money...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/

[Andre]

http://phones.verizonwireless.com/motorola/droid/?cid=BAC-prodrsch#/home

[natenator]

still won't match up to the Blackberry. As a consumer tool it will probably rival that of Iphone but nothing will beat out the corporate love affair with Blackberry.

[Andre]

I agree... but I no longer live in the corporate world :)

[daande]

Actually if you see cellphone sales figures the Iphone is catching up on the shitty blackberry. Also, the iPhone is just one phone as blackberry has about 10 phones... The iPhone is far superior to any phone on the market. I wish RIM would create something to rival the blackberry as it is a Canadian company. They tried with the storm but what a piece of shit that is. Just like every other blackberry out there with there stupid trackballs from the 80s.

[natenator]

Actually if you see cellphone sales figures the Iphone is catching up on the shitty blackberry. Also, the iPhone is just one phone as blackberry has about 10 phones... The iPhone is far superior to any phone on the market. I wish RIM would create something to rival the blackberry as it is a Canadian company. They tried with the storm but what a piece of shit that is. Just like every other blackberry out there with there stupid trackballs from the 80s.
consumer tool = consumer marketshare.

There isn't one product out there that rivals BB for an enterprise user. So stick to Iphone if all you want is games and music. For those of us who rely on our devices for productivity and secure communications we'll stick to the blackberry.

[daande]

consumer tool = consumer marketshare.

There isn't one product out there that rivals BB for an enterprise user. So stick to Iphone if all you want is games and music. For those of us who rely on our devices for productivity and secure communications we'll stick to the blackberry.

iphone has the same capabilities as the blackberry for an enterprise user if not better. The blackberry full out ****ing sucks. Name something that is on the blackberry that is more productive and more secure than what the iphone offers?

[natenator]

iphone has the same capabilities as the blackberry for an enterprise user if not better. The blackberry full out ****ing sucks. Name something that is on the blackberry that is more productive and more secure than what the iphone offers?
Iphone vs. BB


Here at BlackBerry Cool, we thoroughly enjoy making BlackBerry and iPhone comparisons due to the transition that is occurring over at RIM. As RIM is dealing with an increasingly large consumer base, the device is constantly being compared to the iPhone, and RIM must think about how it's going to create a BlackBerry device that satisfies consumers, but remains true to its enterprise user base.

In the end, enterprise will always be a focus of RIM's products, because it gives them a competitive edge. This doesn't mean that RIM can't satisfy two different types of clients, it just means they're going to have to get creative and innovative - fast.

CNet recently published a piece regarding the switch from BlackBerry to iPhone, and then the revelation that made the author, Adam Richardson, switch back again.

According to the author, "Basically it comes down to the fact that the iPhone is really good at the stuff I do 10% of the time, but pretty poor at the stuff I do 90% of the time."

Again, it all comes back to the fact that RIM makes an enterprise device with its core values being security, reliability and efficiency. These are the features that have the author converting back to BlackBerry.

Here is what the author describes as lacking in the iPhone:

General Usability
Typing - The iPhone has a very frustrating typing experience.
User Interface - While the iPhone is a simple interface to learn, the BlackBerry interface is far more efficient once you learn it. Shortcuts make the BlackBerry experience much faster, while the iPhone experience remains consistently slow and simple.
Cleanliness - As with any touchscreen device, the iPhone's screen soon gets covered in grime.

Form Factor - The device is too thin to be held close to the ear for a long period of time.
Battery Life - The iPhone has a much shorter battery life than the Bold.
Memory - While BlackBerry users often complain about the amount of available application memory, it is a clear benefit of the BlackBerry that it offers the opportunity to expand at a relatively low cost.

Email

Generally, the issue here goes back to the fact that the "iPhone is really good at the stuff I do 10% of the time, but pretty poor at the stuff I do 90% of the time." Here are some issues with the iPhone's email:
Separate Email Accounts - Going back and forth to get email from separate email accounts is not only inefficient, it is incredibly frustrating.
New Emails - You have to unlock the iPhone to see if there is a new email. This is ridiculous if you're checking your email every 3 minutes.
Sent Folder - The sent folder isn't populated in real time, so you have to wait for the server to find an email you just sent. This time could be crucial if it's an important business email.
Font Sizes - The iPhone has no ability to customize font sizes, therefore impeding your ability to view multiple emails at once without scrolling.

Calendar

Again, the calendar is a feature that is used by smartphone users on a regular basis so it's crucial to have a system that is both efficient and easy to navigate. The iPhone, being a strictly consumer device, is lacking in calendar functionality in many respects:
New Appointments - Creating new events on the iPhone is a slow process. The iPhone's UI means it takes several navigation clicks to create a new even, versus only 2 on the BlackBerry.
Weekly View - The iPhone does not provide a weekly view for the calendar. This is crucial and the BlackBerry offers it because they understand the need for a good calendar.
Snooze - You can't snooze for meeting reminders.
Date Navigation - You can't navigate to specific dates on the iPhone calendar system. On a BlackBerry, it's incredibly easy with the simple G (go to date) shortcut.
Event Comments - The iPhone calendar system doesn't let you add comments to accepting or denying event requests.

Phone

While many BlackBerry users are always on email, having a decent phone is an important part of a quality smartphone. The iPhone lacks the following:
Dialing - Dialing specific contacts on the iPhone is tedious if they are not in the contacts.
Muting - Muting the call on the iPhone requires looking at the screen. On a BlackBerry, muting the call if you're on a conference call is as simple as pressing the top button.

Adam Richardson said it best, "I'm not trying to bash the iPhone and say no-one else should like it; this is a very personal choice. But at least for the time being, the Bold is a much better match for my needs."

[waderow]

I have the BB storm. It is the most useless POS I have ever seen. I will be trying something else soon

[natenator]

I have the BB storm. It is the most useless POS I have ever seen. I will be trying something else soon
I do not know why people who want a consumer tool would have chose the Storm. It's RIM trying to compete with Apple for consumer marketshare. If you are a business person who needs productivity and reliable secure communications then stick with BB.

70% of all emails I write are on my BB and if I had to rely on something like the Iphone I'd sooner just use my computer. My BB is my lifeline and I know PLENTY of corporate managers and execs who (like me) tried Iphone and within a month junked it back for their BB.

Get a 9000 or 9700. You'll be happier. That is unless its the games and "enjoyment" you are looking for from a business tool.

[waderow]

a 9000 or 9700. does it ever crash? battery pulls?

[natenator]

the only time mine crashes is when I overload the memory which with all the pics and shit I take/do with my BB can be often if I don't keep it cleared up.

9700 is much better at resource management and super fast to boot. Battery last about twice a long as well. Can't wait to get mine soon :)

[waderow]

i get emails with multiple picture attachments that require viewing.
same with excel and pdf files

I require internet browsing as well.

I also require a good camera.


9700?

[natenator]

9700

just don't think it's going to be like an Iphone with alll the oohs and ahhh of a consumer product (awesome entertainment experience). It's a business tool.

[Andre]

The Droid is bridging the gap between smartphone and netbook pc...

[JacktheThriller]

http://www.pomegranatephone.com/

thats what i use personally check it out andre lol

[natenator]

http://www.pomegranatephone.com/

thats what i use personally check it out andre lol
THAT is pretty ****ing neat!!!!

[IronRobi]

I'm going to have to go with nate on this one. I do this for a living. BB wins hands down, and 47% of our product sales in 2009 has been BB.

[dremen]

I have been with Rogers since my 1st pager over 20 years ago... when the Droid comes out next year I will see what Telus has to offer... I am on a good plan right now (free incoming, free after 6, 700 peak minutes) and 6GB data for my Iphone... Hopefully Telus can beat this...

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Motorola-Milestone-Droid-Is-Canadas-First-Android-Smartphone-118274/

For those who are not familiar with the this phone... it's going to give the Iphone a run for it's money...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/


Wow this phone takes awesome vids man. Even better then my old digital video recorder.

[Chunk]

I don't even own a cell phone... :spam

[daande]

i get emails with multiple picture attachments that require viewing.
same with excel and pdf files

I require internet browsing as well.

I also require a good camera.


9700?

iPhone 3GS....

[kloan]

I agree.

I tried the Blackberry out to see what it was all about, and honestly it really is meant to be a business phone. After using an iPhone and getting used to it's ease of use, big colourful touchscreen display and quick and easy access to all functions, I just couldn't get used to the BB's interface and user experience.

The Android looks neat though.

It's a shame the new HTC HD2 uses Windows Mobile in the background. I know they covered it up with a slick UI, but it's still there in the background just stinkin it up. The phone is rather large as well though... a bit bigger than something I would like to use.

[natenator]

iPhone 3GS....
I named about 9 things the BB does/did better than Iphone. Where's your rebuttal telling me how much better the Iphone is for business/enterprise users?

[natenator]

I agree.

I tried the Blackberry out to see what it was all about, and honestly it really is meant to be a business phone. After using an iPhone and getting used to it's ease of use, big colourful touchscreen display and quick and easy access to all functions, I just couldn't get used to the BB's interface and user experience.

The Android looks neat though.

It's a shame the new HTC HD2 uses Windows Mobile in the background. I know they covered it up with a slick UI, but it's still there in the background just stinkin it up. The phone is rather large as well though... a bit bigger than something I would like to use.
you gave the Iphone time because it's what's cool and "in" and that you were looking for a consumer entertainment experience.

If Paris Hilton, Linsay Lohan, etc can figure it out and you can't what's that saying...?

[HoliTheCat]

you gave the Iphone time because it's what's cool and "in" and that you were looking for a consumer entertainment experience.

If Paris Hilton, Linsay Lohan, etc can figure it out and you can't what's that saying...?

LOL.

I have a bb bold and love it. great keyboard for my fat ****ing fingers.

[L3]

my only issue with my Bberry is i cant watch porn ... it cant ?cache? any movies longer than 5 mins

and also CBB.com doesnt load completley sometimes :(

[Shaun]

I am waiting for a BB 9700 in the mail. I am switching from the iphone. I have to say the iphone 3g is a neat device but it lacks in so many areas. A lot of which have been improved with the 3GS. I was a previous BB user owning a Pearl and a Curve before switching to the iphone. It is a great device but i want something that lasts me more than 8 hours. Simple. They both do there job well and with the new 9700 i feel that the only difference is the browsing experiance that is hopefully just a few software updates away with the BB. The MAJOR downfall for me is simply batt life. As well as the radio isnt as strong on the iphone but not a major issue.

I bet i will have an iphone for sale shortly after my 9700 comes in the mail!

[guest]

the storm was a complete failure.

iphones are more of a personal toy in my view. for someone running a business in a dynamic situation, not from behind a cozy desk with clean hands, a BB is the only way to go.

note* the new bold has a track pad instead of the archaic ball.

daande....show us on the picture where the blackberry touched you.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/27/body.gif

[waderow]

my only issue with my Bberry is i cant watch porn ... it cant ?cache? any movies longer than 5 mins

and also CBB.com doesnt load completley sometimes :(

a piss off I have as well. CBB loads, then at the last second, half the page disappears.

Probably from too many animated banners. Wish you could turn them off somehow

[waderow]

lol

[Krozone]

Nate: Do you work for RIM? You certainly do speak the Marketing Lingo.

You speak of Market Dominance, yet no mention of long term Corpoprate contracts. As someone who worked at Rogers head office for over 8 years (Left close to a year ago) I am well privied to the fact that "If" it were not for the existing RIM contracts, Rogers would be outfitting their troops with IPhones.

Look at how long RIM products have been in the Market/Region. Compare that with the growth and varied demographics regarding the IPhone.

Trending reports tell a very different story then this CNET author. Were they referring to the US or Canada?

Measuring sucess is best done by Statistical Analytics rather then opinion/interpretation. .

If your not speaking on bahalf of RIM, rather reitterating what you've read online... It would be like being a Rookie regarding AAS and preaching what you've read momments ago on BB.com.

As someone who works in Analytics all day long, Metrics pertaining to the "Aforementioned" makes up the majority of my day.

The Mobile space is a very dynamic state. In terms of coverage/exposure in the Mobile space, the IPhone and varients (ITouch) far exceed those belonging to RIM. These metrics are readily available for your review.

Year to date - Monthly Canadian Mobile Platform.


Mobile
Apple IPhone = 43.9%
Apple ITouch = 22.3%
RIM BlackBerry 9000 = 8.1%
RIM BlackBerry 8900 = 5.4%
RIM BlackBerry 9530 = 3.3%
RIM BlackBerry 9630 = 2.7%
HTC P3700 = 1.7%
RIM BlackBerry 8520 = 1.0%
Palm Pre = .8%
RIM BlackBerry 8330 = .6%
RIM BlackBerry 8310 = .5%
RIM BlackBerry 8220 = .5%
RIM BlackBerry 8230 = .4%


Mobile is where we are all headed. This is known and agreed upon across all plains.

When reviewing "Mobile" allocation coupled with the IPhones Surge in sales, both in Canada and the US clearly indicates that the "Surge" will continue and as opportunities present themselves, the switch will be made from Rim Products to Apple products.

BTW: You can also take into consideration (Coupled with the Growth), in Canada until recently..... Only Rogers offered the IPhone....

How many providers offer RIM Products?


Nate, you may focus on "enterprise". Clearly, with all the available metrics readily available.... Rim will continue to loose focus...

Kro!

Running Windows 7 on my IMAC as my Main OS :>





Iphone vs. BB


Here at BlackBerry Cool, we thoroughly enjoy making BlackBerry and iPhone comparisons due to the transition that is occurring over at RIM. As RIM is dealing with an increasingly large consumer base, the device is constantly being compared to the iPhone, and RIM must think about how it's going to create a BlackBerry device that satisfies consumers, but remains true to its enterprise user base.

In the end, enterprise will always be a focus of RIM's products, because it gives them a competitive edge. This doesn't mean that RIM can't satisfy two different types of clients, it just means they're going to have to get creative and innovative - fast.

CNet recently published a piece regarding the switch from BlackBerry to iPhone, and then the revelation that made the author, Adam Richardson, switch back again.

According to the author, "Basically it comes down to the fact that the iPhone is really good at the stuff I do 10% of the time, but pretty poor at the stuff I do 90% of the time."

Again, it all comes back to the fact that RIM makes an enterprise device with its core values being security, reliability and efficiency. These are the features that have the author converting back to BlackBerry.

Here is what the author describes as lacking in the iPhone:

General Usability
Typing - The iPhone has a very frustrating typing experience.
User Interface - While the iPhone is a simple interface to learn, the BlackBerry interface is far more efficient once you learn it. Shortcuts make the BlackBerry experience much faster, while the iPhone experience remains consistently slow and simple.
Cleanliness - As with any touchscreen device, the iPhone's screen soon gets covered in grime.

Form Factor - The device is too thin to be held close to the ear for a long period of time.
Battery Life - The iPhone has a much shorter battery life than the Bold.
Memory - While BlackBerry users often complain about the amount of available application memory, it is a clear benefit of the BlackBerry that it offers the opportunity to expand at a relatively low cost.

Email

Generally, the issue here goes back to the fact that the "iPhone is really good at the stuff I do 10% of the time, but pretty poor at the stuff I do 90% of the time." Here are some issues with the iPhone's email:
Separate Email Accounts - Going back and forth to get email from separate email accounts is not only inefficient, it is incredibly frustrating.
New Emails - You have to unlock the iPhone to see if there is a new email. This is ridiculous if you're checking your email every 3 minutes.
Sent Folder - The sent folder isn't populated in real time, so you have to wait for the server to find an email you just sent. This time could be crucial if it's an important business email.
Font Sizes - The iPhone has no ability to customize font sizes, therefore impeding your ability to view multiple emails at once without scrolling.

Calendar

Again, the calendar is a feature that is used by smartphone users on a regular basis so it's crucial to have a system that is both efficient and easy to navigate. The iPhone, being a strictly consumer device, is lacking in calendar functionality in many respects:
New Appointments - Creating new events on the iPhone is a slow process. The iPhone's UI means it takes several navigation clicks to create a new even, versus only 2 on the BlackBerry.
Weekly View - The iPhone does not provide a weekly view for the calendar. This is crucial and the BlackBerry offers it because they understand the need for a good calendar.
Snooze - You can't snooze for meeting reminders.
Date Navigation - You can't navigate to specific dates on the iPhone calendar system. On a BlackBerry, it's incredibly easy with the simple G (go to date) shortcut.
Event Comments - The iPhone calendar system doesn't let you add comments to accepting or denying event requests.

Phone

While many BlackBerry users are always on email, having a decent phone is an important part of a quality smartphone. The iPhone lacks the following:
Dialing - Dialing specific contacts on the iPhone is tedious if they are not in the contacts.
Muting - Muting the call on the iPhone requires looking at the screen. On a BlackBerry, muting the call if you're on a conference call is as simple as pressing the top button.

Adam Richardson said it best, "I'm not trying to bash the iPhone and say no-one else should like it; this is a very personal choice. But at least for the time being, the Bold is a much better match for my needs."

[Krozone]

Nate: Actually, you said "Here is what the author describes as lacking in the iPhone:"

Those points were taken from another. Personal Opinions.



Kro!


I named about 9 things the BB does/did better than Iphone. Where's your rebuttal telling me how much better the Iphone is for business/enterprise users?

[Krozone]

last point.

Can you JailBreak a RIM Product?

Nearly all the Personal reasons Adam Richardson choose his Bold over the IPhone are easily addressed.

[L3]

Probably from too many animated banners. Wish you could turn them off somehow

i browse with images disabled, makes loading much faster.

Options > Browser Configuration > Show Images > On WML Pages Only


When im stalking a girl on FB and wanna see a pic, press the menu button and select "All Images"

[Andre]

Good posts Krozone :)

My background is IT up until 2 years ago when I opened a gym... the BB is only superior as a pure email (or texting device)... from an overall technology perspective the Iphone is light years ahead...

[theboss]

My background is IT

you look like a computer geek .:popc2

[waderow]

i browse with images disabled, makes loading much faster.

Options > Browser Configuration > Show Images > On WML Pages Only


When im stalking a girl on FB and wanna see a pic, press the menu button and select "All Images"

thanks man! green if I can

[natenator]

Nate: Actually, you said "Here is what the author describes as lacking in the iPhone:"

Those points were taken from another. Personal Opinions.



Kro!
Sorry: I posted 9 things at the time which made BB better than Iphone for a corporate user from someone who has had both. I didn't wish to take the time to do it myself. I've had both and still contend for a corporate user BB is the way to go. If you want games and entertainment then stick with Iphone.

This has been my contention for every post I have ever made regarding BB.

I don't work for RIM but am a C-Level exec so I speak from a corporate perspective as to every single one of my colleagues who rely on their heavily on their devices. Iphone just doesn't cut it right now.

[natenator]

Good posts Krozone :)

My background is IT up until 2 years ago when I opened a gym... the BB is only superior as a pure email (or texting device)... from an overall technology perspective the Iphone is light years ahead...
from an entertainment perspective Iphone is light years ahead, you are correct.

[Krozone]

Nate: You sure are ahead in terms of AAS..

That I'll give you...

The rest.. Sorry, but your stance is weak.

C-Level Exec: I posted 9 things at the time which made BB better than IPhone for a corporate user from someone who has had both. I didn't wish to take the time to do it myself. I've had both and still contend for a corporate user BB is the way to go. If you want games and entertainment then stick with IPhone.


That is weak. Reason being; like you, I am also a Executive. Executive Director to be exact. That, and I also have both. Wish I didn't but, yeah..... Damm contracts..


You could go on and on regarding your obvious knowledge regarding AAS as you are far superior then I in that regard, whereas I can go on and on and continue to advise regarding IPhone vs Other based on data rather than personal opinion.

This sir, is what I do for a living. Executive Director Media Analytics.
Thus, I do not offer a Personal opinion or an educated guess. I mine data and extrapolate based on pertinent metrics.

This Battle has ended

IPhone = Winner

RIM Storm and others = Looser

BTW: Never would I cry foul on what I feel you excel in Nate. I know you’re a stand up guy! As much as I'd like to chime in more so then I do.... Based on my limited knowledge (as compared to yourself) re: AAS, I'm somewhat reserved.

Someone Sparks up a conversation about something in which I hold a plethora of knowledge... Watch out!!! Time to chime! :a+

Shake and Bake Baby! :beer

Kro!

[natenator]

Nate: You sure are ahead in terms of AAS..

That I'll give you...

The rest.. Sorry, but your stance is weak.

C-Level Exec: I posted 9 things at the time which made BB better than IPhone for a corporate user from someone who has had both. I didn't wish to take the time to do it myself. I've had both and still contend for a corporate user BB is the way to go. If you want games and entertainment then stick with IPhone.


That is weak. Reason being; like you, I am also a Executive. Executive Director to be exact. That, and I also have both. Wish I didn't but, yeah..... Damm contracts..


You could go on and on regarding your obvious knowledge regarding AAS as you are far superior then I in that regard, whereas I can go on and on and continue to advise regarding IPhone vs Other based on data rather than personal opinion.

This sir, is what I do for a living. Executive Director Media Analytics.
Thus, I do not offer a Personal opinion or an educated guess. I mine data and extrapolate based on pertinent metrics.

This Battle has ended

IPhone = Winner

RIM Storm and others = Looser

BTW: Never would I cry foul on what I feel you excel in Nate. I know you’re a stand up guy! As much as I'd like to chime in more so then I do.... Based on my limited knowledge (as compared to yourself) re: AAS, I'm somewhat reserved.

Someone Sparks up a conversation about something in which I hold a plethora of knowledge... Watch out!!! Time to chime! :a+

Shake and Bake Baby! :beer

Kro!
LOL

That's fair and expected given your expertise in the subject matter as someone who understands the differences having experienced both at I'll assume (wrong I know but taking the chance) at high level.

What I did wrong was try to illustrate why BB is better through the words of someone who could articulate it better than I. Blackberry, until Iphone comes with a qwerty keyboard directly on the deviceand not on a touch screen, will still always win out for me AND the majority of my colleagues due to said keyboard functionality. I need email/phone to survive in my job(s) and having anything less would mean I am required to be in an office environment and at a computer more often than I would like/am able to. That is what makes BB an advantage for guys like me .

If I want entertainment, I'll load up my Itouch.

Kudo's to you!

[natenator]

As a side note... Analytics you say?

Do and Web Analytics and/or Predictive Modeling? We should chat...

[daande]

LOL

That's fair and expected given your expertise in the subject matter as someone who understands the differences having experienced both at I'll assume (wrong I know but taking the chance) at high level.

What I did wrong was try to illustrate why BB is better through the words of someone who could articulate it better than I. Blackberry, until Iphone comes with a qwerty keyboard directly on the deviceand not on a touch screen, will still always win out for me AND the majority of my colleagues due to said keyboard functionality. I need email/phone to survive in my job(s) and having anything less would mean I am required to be in an office environment and at a computer more often than I would like/am able to. That is what makes BB an advantage for guys like me .

If I want entertainment, I'll load up my Itouch.

Kudo's to you!

Did you know if you turn the iphone sideways the keyboard gets bigger?

[natenator]

Did you know if you turn the iphone sideways the keyboard gets bigger?
Really? I didn't know this.

[guest]

the storm keeps being brought up. it's the weakest piece of shit ever and shouldnt be used as a comparison to a 'real' blackberry.

i'm sure the iphone is great for behind a desk. i am in both places, office and hands on work, a touch screen is not a viable option for me.

[_Z_]

i have the htc touch pro right now (junk) and can't wait to get back to a non-smart phone
i like having the gps and pda but i don't really need the features, as a field tech i don't really want to be available to answer emails all day either
if i can manage, i won't buy another phone that uses touch screen dialing

[shithead]

so droid, 9700 or 3gs?

[Shaun]

Hold out and wait for the 4G iphone this summer.