Natural competing

[CallmeB]

Does anyone know how long you have to be clean for in order to compete in a natural competition? ( assuming they piss test you ) i would hate to put in all that hard work doing it natural only to fail a piss test cause of done juice in the past.

[natenator]

Does anyone know how long you have to be clean for in order to compete in a natural competition? ( assuming they piss test you ) i would hate to put in all that hard work doing it natural only to fail a piss test cause of done juice in the past.
uhh if you juiced in the past you are still not natural.

but I believe the time limit of previous use is 5 years or something like that

[CallmeB]

Yes i deffinitly dont want to call myself "natural" I was just curious what the time frame is where you could compete.

[steve_d]

For it to be fair to us natural guys, you'd best wait a lot longer then for it to be clear from your urine. Otherwise you will fall into the category of "natural the day of the show" - which hardly seems fair.

Different federations have different rules. Some don't have rules.

[A_N_T]

if u used deca 2 years and you clean. if not 1 year and they will not find anything

[CallmeB]

Has anyone ever done a comp both natty and juiced? if so how were the results? I could not imagine keeping even half the size i did when i did my show without some help!

[JacktheThriller]

i dont think u should be entering a natural show if u have done steriods ever, its not fair to hardgainers who have worked their ass off the pack on mass over 10 years when u did it in 2, could u feel good about winning this type of comp?

[AlladdinSane]

I just don't think natural shows should exist (I'm assuming we're talking BBing shows, of course).

[CallmeB]

No i sure wouldnt. I know how much work it takes.. and i know the amazing feeling of pure self accomplishment you get when your at that level.
I do attribute lots of my gains to steroids..
But what if i made the life choice to be clean from now on, & in 10 years down the road I wanted to do a natural comp, your saying that it should not even be option?

[natenator]

Has anyone ever done a comp both natty and juiced? if so how were the results? I could not imagine keeping even half the size i did when i did my show without some help!
my buddy did. He competed for years sauced up , took 8 years off and then came back to compete in the worlds. He kept his size pretty well actually but he also works with Laura Binetti (had for about 15 years) so she knew how to bring him in really well

[natenator]

i dont think u should be entering a natural show if u have done steriods ever, its not fair to hardgainers who have worked their ass off the pack on mass over 10 years when u did it in 2, could u feel good about winning this type of comp?
**** your hard gainer shit. Eat more and you won't be a hard gainer.

[AlladdinSane]

**** your hard gainer shit. Eat more and you won't be a hard gainer.

hehehe...

[JacktheThriller]

**** your hard gainer shit. Eat more and you won't be a hard gainer.


if food was all it took to gain mass muscle you would be on roids ,ass:moon

[natenator]

if food was all it took to gain mass muscle you would be on roids ,ass:moon
food is 90% of it.

Try it..

[JacktheThriller]

only if u eat ur roids lol

[natenator]

only if u eat ur roids lol
go fist a pig dipshit

[AlladdinSane]

if food was all it took to gain mass muscle you would be on roids ,ass:moon

I know this wasn't pointed at me, but I'm not using and I'm also bigger and stronger than most. I DO, however, eat.

A lot.

Always.

[waderow]

you need food and lots of it
you need training and lots of it
you need rest, and lots of it

you will get big with the above

add in gear, you will get bigger, as you can eat more with out putting on excess fat, and you can lift more weight.

[JacktheThriller]

nate my hobbies are none of ur concern

[CallmeB]

AlladdinSane is your gym the one above PHO SO 1 that I always hear weights drop on the ground like they are gona fall through the roof onto my plate? Iv always wanted to venture up there!

[AlladdinSane]

AlladdinSane is your gym the one above PHO SO 1 that I always hear weights drop on the ground like they are gona fall through the roof onto my plate? Iv always wanted to venture up there!

Correct. Come in and I will call you "B" to your face. ;)

[CallmeB]

Hmmm maybe friday! i have the day off. I live in the deep south! so its a long journey over there!

[JacktheThriller]

I don't really know 10 years down the line. Obviously thats something ud deal with then, as long as u are content with your decision and don't consider it cheating then go for it

[Andre]

The olympics are considered 'natural'... and we all know how many 'natural' athletes compete in the olympics... natural sports of any kind are a joke...

I hope I am not bursting anyones bubbles ;)

[A_N_T]

The olympics are considered 'natural'... and we all know how many 'natural' athletes compete in the olympics... natural sports of any kind are a joke...

I hope I am not bursting anyones bubbles ;)
:) you are absolutely right!

[Atarii]

Andre


The olympics are considered 'natural'... and we all know how many 'natural' athletes compete in the olympics... natural sports of any kind are a joke...

Sorry to burst the bubble that you live in where Rocky was still cool and when Russia was referred to as the USSR BUT.....not all athletes are on roids and A N T please don't agree for the sake of looking cool. It's not like he's the one administering these drug tests and catching them, he's reading it off google.com like everyone else here...

It's the internet, think for your self seriously....it's not hhaaarrddddddd duurrrr

[A_N_T]

Sorry to burst the bubble that you live in where Rocky was still cool and when Russia was referred to as the USSR BUT.....not all athletes are on roids and A N T please don't agree for the sake of looking cool. duurrrr
good joke... im not going to looking cool! i just post my opinion!

[waderow]

rose coloured glasses


most competitive athletes and most bodybuilders, even natty ones have had help from time to time with performance enhancing drugs

[AlladdinSane]

BUT.....not all athletes are on roids

Correct. Just the ones we see on tv during the olympics (except for maybe ribbon dancing).



and A N T please don't agree for the sake of looking cool. It's not like he's the one administering these drug tests and catching them, he's reading it off google.com like everyone else here...

It's the internet, think for your self seriously....it's not hhaaarrddddddd duurrrr

You're a goof.

[vlad]

It's been proven that there are A LOT of athletes that use performance enhancing drugs, not everyone but A LOT of them do. The ones that are not careful enough with it get caught but for the most part people don't know about it. Is it cheating? Yes, but you have to prove that people are cheating before you can call them out. I personally think that if you have ever done steroids you shouldn’t be competing in “Natural” competitions because you have built up a platform with steroids for yourself 5 years ago or whatever and now you are just tweaking it naturally.

[Andre]

Correct. Just the ones we see on tv during the olympics (except for maybe ribbon dancing).




You're a goof.

A goof is a nice way of putting it :flagC

[Atarii]

I had a whole thing typed up in regards to how retarded you are Andre but then i realized I don't give a shit.

[faller]

I had a whole thing typed up in regards to how retarded you are Andre but then i realized I don't give a shit.

Good to have you back cdnsolder :troll

[ubcpower]

The quality natural organizations in the states generally require 5 years, NPC natural streams are 2 years clean. However, they usually polygraph everyone along with piss testing the winners of each class.... in canada i doubt the CABBA Natural stream even does polygraph

[CallmeB]

Sounds like I should just hop back on some crank and compete again here locally!

[mcgirkz]

i would say if you want to compete clean for yourself, do it! enter a natural show or a tested show.. is it for you or the first place trophy? there's nothing wrong in wanting to try it w/o gear..

i think deca is the longest metabolite to be picked up in a screen? somewhere around 18 months??

[gregdoucette]

There is simply no way your going to get huge training natural and eating alot. Eating alot is probably the biggest mistake that 95% of competitors do. There are so many better bodybuilders out there who I know for sure could kick my ass is they simply dieted harder and did more cardio. Eating more = getting fat. Simple as that. The leaner you are off season the more you will keep when dieting. To go from using performance enhancing drugs and competing to not using and competing would be a very drastic and devistating experience.
There are bodybuilders who have who heavyweight and overall titles and now compete in natural feds but are much much smaller. There is simply no way a natural competitor can be even close in size to the pros.

As far as fedurations natural requirement they are all different. I don't believe polygragh tests because I have competed in contests using these where everyone passed dispite latter failing the uring test.
If you did a search on the internet you could see how long you would need to pass a test and its alot less long then you would think depending on what you took.
The only way a contest could really be even is if they test all the competitors out of contest. I recomend you just compete for the fun of it and just be all you can be. When I go into a contest my goal is to look better then the last time I competed and if I do then its a personal victory. I could care less at this stage of the game if I win. Id rather get 3rd out of 20 then 1st against no one. If you compete in a natural show and win does not mean your the best natural bodybuilder jsut mesans someone better never showed up and if you get last does not mean your worst natural competitor either as there is a good chance that many of the guys who placed ahead of you had a lot of help.
Bottom line friedns and family are not going to cafre what place you get if you don't. They will cheer you on no matter what and if you look good who cares how you compare with others.

[ubcpower]

good post

[Envied Body]

There is simply no way your going to get huge training natural and eating alot. Eating alot is probably the biggest mistake that 95% of competitors do. There are so many better bodybuilders out there who I know for sure could kick my ass is they simply dieted harder and did more cardio. Eating more = getting fat. Simple as that. The leaner you are off season the more you will keep when dieting. To go from using performance enhancing drugs and competing to not using and competing would be a very drastic and devistating experience.
There are bodybuilders who have who heavyweight and overall titles and now compete in natural feds but are much much smaller. There is simply no way a natural competitor can be even close in size to the pros.

As far as fedurations natural requirement they are all different. I don't believe polygragh tests because I have competed in contests using these where everyone passed dispite latter failing the uring test.
If you did a search on the internet you could see how long you would need to pass a test and its alot less long then you would think depending on what you took.
The only way a contest could really be even is if they test all the competitors out of contest. I recomend you just compete for the fun of it and just be all you can be. When I go into a contest my goal is to look better then the last time I competed and if I do then its a personal victory. I could care less at this stage of the game if I win. Id rather get 3rd out of 20 then 1st against no one. If you compete in a natural show and win does not mean your the best natural bodybuilder jsut mesans someone better never showed up and if you get last does not mean your worst natural competitor either as there is a good chance that many of the guys who placed ahead of you had a lot of help.
Bottom line friedns and family are not going to cafre what place you get if you don't. They will cheer you on no matter what and if you look good who cares how you compare with others.

Well said, as well competing naturally for most is only natural when they are on stage. They go on gear that clears faster such as test. Then they go off the gear and show somewhat smaller yes but with a huge advantage. The built on gear but showed naturally. Happens all the time, and its too bad it does but that is the way most people place.

I myself have placed top 3 most shows but I didn't do that cycle to get there? Some do some don't and some that do, don't do it right and they sometimes get caught and sometimes they don't.

But that is life right?

[baldsamsonis]

Does anyone know how long you have to be clean for in order to compete in a natural competition? ( assuming they piss test you ) i would hate to put in all that hard work doing it natural only to fail a piss test cause of done juice in the past.
what makes you think you could even place?:moon

[Andre Gregoire]

I know the FCPAQ and the CBBF require you to be clean for 5 years.

I understand lifetime naturals not likeing ex-juicers competing againsn't them but maybe they should ask for a seperate federation for lifetime natural.

Honestly, once you have been off for 5 yrs the benefits form the gear are gone. Have you seen Kevin Levrone unveiled in his comeback? Sure he looks better than last year and great for a natural but he looks more like an underwear model then an Arnold Classic winner. He has about 40-45lbs of lean body mass less and he has one of the best genetics in the world.

I don't understand why people would compete in natural shows and try to beat drug tests, its the stupidest, most unethical thing I can think of. Why not just do regular shows?

Some ex-juicers decided to stop gear years ago, they stop for legal reasons, long term health concerns, change of priorities, etc... I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to compete as naturals as long as they have waited out the 5 yr waiting period.

[P3 Entertainment]

Depends on the Organization some are 2 others are 5 and some even 7

[Dreamweaver]

I like Greg's post, sooner or later you just have decide, you are doing this to have fun. It's all about who shows up that decides who wins or loses.

I am a lifetime Natural and 52 and I am damned proud of myself for what I have accomplished. My goal? It's like Greg said to improve. At my age that is a hell of an accomplishment.

All that being said, I have nothing against those who juice. I respect their decision and hope thay respect mine. If a juicer comes into my show, which we all know they often do, there's not a lot I can do about it. No sense sweating shyte I can't do anything about. I wish they wouldn't but that's not the reality of it. If you have to cheat to get a trophy then I kinda think that maybe juicing is not their biggest problem... So maybe we should just feel sorry for them..

Oh and for the guys that do, we know who you are, most of you aren't fooling anyone.

[Flexxx]

I personally don't believe that most olympians are clean. I have known several national level and olympic level athletes and they are all on stuff.

I remember reading an article, trying to dig it up, where they asked olympic athletes if they could take a drug that would guarantee a gold medal but would shorten their lives by 10 years, an incredible 90% said they would.

The whole natural thing is kind unrealistic to me. a 20 year old man against a 40 year old on HRT. Is the 40 year old still natural, not in my opinion.

My uncle competed in the natural worlds in greece several years ago and I was blown away with what some of the guys admitted to taking backstage. My uncle is scared to take caffeine or creatine, I guess some guys are just oblivious to what is going on around them.

[Dreamweaver]

I personally don't believe that most olympians are clean. I have known several national level and olympic level athletes and they are all on stuff.

I remember reading an article, trying to dig it up, where they asked olympic athletes if they could take a drug that would guarantee a gold medal but would shorten their lives by 10 years, an incredible 90% said they would.

The whole natural thing is kind unrealistic to me. a 20 year old man against a 40 year old on HRT. Is the 40 year old still natural, not in my opinion.

My uncle competed in the natural worlds in greece several years ago and I was blown away with what some of the guys admitted to taking backstage. My uncle is scared to take caffeine or creatine, I guess some guys are just oblivious to what is going on around them.

It's really sad, when a group of people start using it really forces the others to follow if they want to be competitive. I know a lot of people would stay clean if they felt that those they were competing against were clean also.

[Andre Gregoire]

It's really sad, when a group of people start using it really forces the others to follow if they want to be competitive. I know a lot of people would stay clean if they felt that those they were competing against were clean also.

That is very sad... If they are so concerned with an even playing field why don't they just compete in non-tested shows?

The reason I am natural is for health and legal reasons. If steroids were legal and 100% safe I would be using them no doubt about it.

I really don't get it... Why else would you compete as a natural?

I really, really need someone to explain this. Is it because they want to feel morally superior to juicers?

Is it simply because they want to win at all costs?

[japh]

I think for most it comes down to a moral issue based on legality (silly in my opinion) or for health reasons either legitimate or based on fear.

[Dreamweaver]

That is very sad... If they are so concerned with an even playing field why don't they just compete in non-tested shows?

The reason I am natural is for health and legal reasons. If steroids were legal and 100% safe I would be using them no doubt about it.

I really don't get it... Why else would you compete as a natural?

I really, really need someone to explain this. Is it because they want to feel morally superior to juicers?

Is it simply because they want to win at all costs?

It's definitely health concerns for me. I have a very strong HPTA and don't want to mess with that just yet. There may be a day when HRT dosing is something I would consider. Of course I would use them if they were legal and safe. I use herbals for that reason.

[natenator]

It's definitely health concerns for me. I have a very strong HPTA and don't want to mess with that just yet. There may be a day when HRT dosing is something I would consider. Of course I would use them if they were legal and safe. I use herbals for that reason.
Who says those herbals are safe? Many a product have been developed believing they were safe only to realize through extensive study and research that they aren't.

The devil you know is always better than the devil you don't know.

[O-Train]

Who says those herbals are safe? Many a product have been developed believing they were safe only to realize through extensive study and research that they aren't.

The devil you know is always better than the devil you don't know.

I agree. Pharmaceuticals go through WAY more testing than natural stuff.

People waste their money on so much crap hoping for potential benefits and always forget about the potential risks.

[bigtavi8]

I like this discussion and agree with dreamweaver thoughts. Many ppl juice to compete at a level playing field.

I have to admit i dont really agree with one using gear to win a trophy at a show. In a show it is a competitive stage. If your in the tested route i feel lifelong naturals should only be allowed. But on a untested stage one does everything in there power to display the best physique. You have to make a decision if you want to go that far with it that you use gear responsibly i may add to the equation to better your physique.
I respect natural athletes 110% but i dont think the way some stigmatize guys as JUICERS and being immoral, cheaters, etc is right. Every competitor i know on or off gear is a human being and that is what makes them the way they are. If they are retarded before they use gear and have anger problems. Then they use and are the same way instantly its the gear when really a personality trait of the individual.

[Dreamweaver]

Who says those herbals are safe? Many a product have been developed believing they were safe only to realize through extensive study and research that they aren't.

The devil you know is always better than the devil you don't know.

Yah it depends on what herbs you're talking about, most of the ones I use have been used for thousands of years. Most are actually very beneficial for your health. I am healthier now at 52 than I have ever been in my life.

[Dreamweaver]

I like this discussion and agree with dreamweaver thoughts. Many ppl juice to compete at a level playing field.

I have to admit i dont really agree with one using gear to win a trophy at a show. In a show it is a competitive stage. If your in the tested route i feel lifelong naturals should only be allowed. But on a untested stage one does everything in there power to display the best physique. You have to make a decision if you want to go that far with it that you use gear responsibly i may add to the equation to better your physique.
I respect natural athletes 110% but i dont think the way some stigmatize guys as JUICERS and being immoral, cheaters, etc is right. Every competitor i know on or off gear is a human being and that is what makes them the way they are. If they are retarded before they use gear and have anger problems. Then they use and are the same way instantly its the gear when really a personality trait of the individual.

Well they're only cheaters if the come in a Tested show juiced lol