Responsible Steroid Use

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Since we have a more mature crowd here at CBB, I want to ask you all what does responsible steroid use mean to you?

[_Ragnar_]

I am new to all this but I would say first and foremost to be properly educated on the subject. I spent over a year reading everything I could find before I decided steroids where for me. I cant stress this enough I talk to guys at the gym that didn't know what PCT was. I asked him what he would have done if he started to get gyno. He didn't have an answer to me.

Secondly I think that you need to be ready, both physically and mentally for what you are about to do to your self. If you are not prepared mentally for 500mg of test bad things can happen. I know I came close to doing something I would have regretted about 5 weeks into my first cycle.

Be prepared, have everything you are going to need before you start. This includes all your steroids, all your PCT and ancillaries. I would also have all the pins you need for your cycle.

Practice safe injections! Sterilize the crap out of everything, alcohol is cheap. Don't reuse needles, they are also cheap. The last thing anyone needs is an infection because they where sloppy with their injections.

I am sure there is more I am done typing.

[ianfxmen]

well for me responsible steroid use is messing with my system as less as possible wich means no more then 1 or 2 cycle a years max with reasonable dosage (around 500-700mg) of test only for no more then 16 week staight and using proper pct.annyways thats just me and i dont want to have problem when i grow older so thats for me responsible use but again to each is own

[gicantor]

-cycling properly on and off
-being educated on what your using
-realistic doses, not insane massive cycles
-VISITING YOUR DOCTOR
-having a proper diet and training in check

[vakker]

doing whatever you want as long as you don't try and pass that off as the truth, the end all be all, or anything other than your opinion.

I find 90% of what is known is more opinion than anything but we take it all as fact.

[ironwill]

-cycling properly on and off
-being educated on what your using
-realistic doses, not insane massive cycles
-VISITING YOUR DOCTOR
-having a proper diet and training in check

x2

[marino]

lets not forget proper disposal of needles in a sharps container

[tiramisu]

in addition to the above I think there is an element of commitment to the choice.

- Are you in this for the long haul?

Having abused yourself to gain the muscle/strength are you going to be able to keep it? Are you a lifetime lifter or is this just a 6 month/1 year fad?

- Is your choice going to affect others?

Guess what? Steroid use may not be exactly illegal but you darn sure got them from somewhere and it didn't just fall off the back of a truck.
Some of this shit is expensive and if you're using rent/mortgage money then there is something seriously wrong.

- Are you mentally stable and in a good place emotionally?

Messing with hormones isn't smart if you aren't in a good place. Don't kid yourself.

- These go beyond ensuring that you are aware of and going to execute proper:

diet
training
medical regime
medical supervision

- There is an amazing amount of outright bullshit on the forums about aas use.

Some of it is accidental or ignorant, some of it malicious, some of it inappropriate and much of it comes from "respected bro's" and "gurus" so it's not easy to know who or what to trust.

tough question.

[Kronis]

improving yourself without causing harm.

[GYMBRAT]

-cycling properly on and off
-being educated on what your using
-realistic doses, not insane massive cycles
-VISITING YOUR DOCTOR
-having a proper diet and training in check

x3 :bch

[vakker]

Having abused yourself to gain the muscle/strength are you going to be able to keep it? Are you a lifetime lifter or is this just a 6 month/1 year fad?



Guess what? Steroid use may not be exactly illegal but you darn sure got them from somewhere and it didn't just fall off the back of a truck.
Some of this shit is expensive and if you're using rent/mortgage money then there is something seriously wrong.
.

Disagree with the first point. How many of us decided that we would do just one cycle, just one and then quit? If we went by that count, the people that did one cycle and quit....even if they quit working out, were more responsible than us.

Agree with the second point, I think that is very valid. If you are letting another part of your life suffer (temper tantrums from tren ruining your marriage or work life? no money because its all on gear and food) you gotta look at it again. Life is about balance.

[Solo59]

Don't let anyone else get your kicks for you.

(Experiment on yourself, if you must, but don't encourage others to do so.)

Solo

[CanadianIron]

lets not forget proper disposal of needles in a sharps container

I dont get this one?

If you're reshielding your needles, and throwing them in an old protein tub or taping them up, how is that not responsible?

[gsxr750]

I suppose the theory is once in the back of the garbage truck and crushed, tubs break, garbage falls out sometimes.. needles could be on the street etc.

[Memo]

I dont get this one?

If you're reshielding your needles, and throwing them in an old protein tub or taping them up, how is that not responsible?

as long as you drop them off at pharmacy for biohazard disposal its good. It is free anyway.

[ELCANADA]

GET proper blood work ……Prior and after a cycle. I think its funny when I hear people say they “fully recovered” or everything is “perfect”. This is really running blind and though its important to listen to your body there are thing it cant tell you…but blood work always will.

Prior to commencing get a full panel done at the very least this will serve as baseline readings for the future. More importantly it will help in uncovering any underlying medical issues that may not be already known. The results can straight up give you the green light or delay use until it appears health is optimal.

After PCT follow up blood work will actually tell you how you recovered and if there are any issues. Now since you got blood work done prior you are able to compare those baseline reading and see if anything is out of whack in your recovery.

Remember shit like high cholesterol can be the silent killer that catches up to us later when we dont keep an eye on it. Also your liver values and even testosterone have no clear tell tales signs (unless you go yellow and have zero sex drive:().

The basics that should be run:
Total cholesterol
LDL
HDL
Triglycerides
C-reactive protein
AST
ALT
Bun/Creatinine
Testosterone
Free testosterone
IGF-1 Estradiol
DHEA/DHEA-s
Full thyroid panel

Your doc should know what to check for if you are able to be honest with them ( not always a good idea trust me)

I have yet to run actual AAS but have run a few cycles of PH/DS over the years and I can tell you it nice knowing you are going in safe and coming out safe.

[Varlover]

-cycling properly on and off
-being educated on what your using
-realistic doses, not insane massive cycles
-VISITING YOUR DOCTOR
-having a proper diet and training in check

Sums it up perfectly.

[trainharder]

Respect is a big part of it.

If you're educated and use them in moderation, they can be a great help... Abuse them and they'll **** you up.

[Solo59]

GET proper blood work ……Prior and after a cycle. I think its funny when I hear people say they “fully recovered” or everything is “perfect”. This is really running blind and though its important to listen to your body there are thing it cant tell you…but blood work always will.

Prior to commencing get a full panel done at the very least this will serve as baseline readings for the future. More importantly it will help in uncovering any underlying medical issues that may not be already known. The results can straight up give you the green light or delay use until it appears health is optimal.

After PCT follow up blood work will actually tell you how you recovered and if there are any issues. Now since you got blood work done prior you are able to compare those baseline reading and see if anything is out of whack in your recovery.

Remember shit like high cholesterol can be the silent killer that catches up to us later when we dont keep an eye on it. Also your liver values and even testosterone have no clear tell tales signs (unless you go yellow and have zero sex drive:().

The basics that should be run:
Total cholesterol
LDL
HDL
Triglycerides
C-reactive protein
AST
ALT
Bun/Creatinine
Testosterone
Free testosterone
IGF-1 Estradiol
DHEA/DHEA-s
Full thyroid panel

Your doc should know what to check for if you are able to be honest with them ( not always a good idea trust me)

I have yet to run actual AAS but have run a few cycles of PH/DS over the years and I can tell you it nice knowing you are going in safe and coming out safe.

Man, this kind of bloodwork at least twice for each cycle is so "responsible" that it varies on the extreme. It's not that easy to get all these things done, and when one feels great, most often one is so.

Solo

[natenator]

I dont get this one?

If you're reshielding your needles, and throwing them in an old protein tub or taping them up, how is that not responsible?
and where are you disposing of said needles???

[CanadianIron]

The garbage? Like I said, if you're reshielding them and putting them into a used container I dont see the risk. If they can fall out of my container when it gets crushed, they can fall out of a sharps container.

[gicantor]

The garbage? Like I said, if you're reshielding them and putting them into a used container I dont see the risk. If they can fall out of my container when it gets crushed, they can fall out of a sharps container.

I think your suppose to return the sharps container to a disposal facility and they incinerate them.

[marino]

The garbage? Like I said, if you're reshielding them and putting them into a used container I dont see the risk. If they can fall out of my container when it gets crushed, they can fall out of a sharps container.

I said this because some people are irresponsible enough to not even put them into a puncture proof container (empty protein tub). I have heard of some disposing of them in their garbage bags.

Second I go the extra distance and use a sharps container so that they get returned to people that know what they are getting and know how to dipsose of them properly

[MikeyFXD35]

The garbage? Like I said, if you're reshielding them and putting them into a used container I dont see the risk. If they can fall out of my container when it gets crushed, they can fall out of a sharps container.

Go into shoppers, pay $5 deposit fee, fill the container, take it back and get another for free.

[rob66679]

[QUOTE=CanadianIron;286809]The garbage? Like I said, if you're reshielding them and putting them into a used container I dont see the risk. If they can fall out of my container when it gets crushed, they can fall out of a sharps container.[/QUOTE

This is the kind of shit that promotes negative attitudes towards AAS and people who use it.
I'm pretty sure a sharps container doesn't end up in the same place as regular garbage, I know my local landfill doesn't accept biohazards.... Used oil, appliances, construction waste yes...... No dirty needles.

Where I live protein tubs are recycled, thats not an option. Theres been threads about this issue before, but the responsible thing to do is get a sharps container.

[dremen]

-cycling properly on and off
-being educated on what your using
-realistic doses, not insane massive cycles
-VISITING YOUR DOCTOR
-having a proper diet and training in check


^Not running a pct......lol :lick

[natenator]

The garbage? Like I said, if you're reshielding them and putting them into a used container I dont see the risk. If they can fall out of my container when it gets crushed, they can fall out of a sharps container.
uhh sharpes containers go to places that have the ability to properly dispose of needles.

Your a douche if you think the garbage is perfectly acceptable.

[dremen]

uhh sharpes containers go to places that have the ability to properly dispose of needles.

Your a douche if you think the garbage is perfectly acceptable.


I agree with you, but on the other hand there is tons more shit being tossed in the garbage that's way worse then a few pins.

Running a cycle without a sharps container is like going on a date with out a condom....LOL

[gicantor]

^Not running a pct......lol :lick

That's debatable

[BBbox]

I think if you took a survey, most people wouldnt be disposing their needles properly.

This is really important IMO, if you have decided to be using them you should be responsible enough to look into the proper methods of throwing them out. Tossing them into the garbadge can is NOT acceptable:

"Needles have been found down drains, on the public highway, in garbage bags, even in a school playground and in a field where horses were grazing. Both humans and animals can become seriously ill if a used needle infects them.

Needles must be placed in Sharps boxes and then they are incinerated" --gvmt website

1. Get a sharps container-- can be found at any medical store
2. DO NOT put your sharps container in with recycling or garbage-- when its full drop it off at a drop off site
3. You can also use a medical mail back service in your area, which will deliver and pick up the containers

[trainharder]

Whatever you do, try not to dispose of them in the St-Lawrence..

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/othersports/2009/11/09/11680901-sun.html

[waderow]

if I was a garbage man, and I was picking up a bag at your house, and I got stuck by a needle....

[Big D]

my parents have to give my dog a shot every week, (stuff for his joints) and they've been throwing the needle in the garbage, the vet never mentioned to use a sharps container.

maybe because its a dog ? I dont know.

[natenator]

I agree with you, but on the other hand there is tons more shit being tossed in the garbage that's way worse then a few pins.

Running a cycle without a sharps container is like going on a date with out a condom....LOL
just because other people do it does not make things right.

We're not better than a junky if we toss needles in the garbage

[Big D]

my buddy has a wood burning stove he just throws his pins in there. even the pin melts.

[dremen]

my buddy has a wood burning stove he just throws his pins in there. even the pin melts.

That would come in handy...lol

[CanadianIron]

my buddy has a wood burning stove he just throws his pins in there. even the pin melts.

WOW... my new solution... i got a high temp insert last year... now all I'll be doing is burning plastic into the atmosphere!

[trainharder]

now all I'll be doing is burning plastic into the atmosphere!

Sarcasm? ;)

[dremen]

WOW... my new solution... i got a high temp insert last year... now all I'll be doing is burning plastic into the atmosphere!

Im not sure, but would an incinerator(fire)not do the same thing or is the heat so high it pretty much turns the plastic into nothingness?

Curious is all.

[CanadianIron]

Thats actually true, the insert I have reaches an operating temperature and chokes the oxygen from the actual fire, it has a second set of burn tubes that introduce fresh air higher up and re-burn the smoke at a higher temperature. The insert is supposed to burn cleaner than a modern vehicle, it has something like 80% efficiency. Its really cool to watch, the fire on the bottom just smolders, and you can see this weird blue flame dance around the top of the fireplace as the fuel coming out of the wood mixes with the fresh air and burns.



On topic though, i think another huge part of responsible AAS use would be keeping your mouth shut about it when you're in the gym, big or small, strong or weak, I cant stand hearing guys spout off about when they're pinning when they're in the gym.. they're usually loud mouth idiots and the last thing you need is some young guy taking that influence to heart and using when he shouldnt, I think it should be kept private.

[dremen]

Thats actually true, the insert I have reaches an operating temperature and chokes the oxygen from the actual fire, it has a second set of burn tubes that introduce fresh air higher up and re-burn the smoke at a higher temperature. The insert is supposed to burn cleaner than a modern vehicle, it has something like 80% efficiency. Its really cool to watch, the fire on the bottom just smolders, and you can see this weird blue flame dance around the top of the fireplace as the fuel coming out of the wood mixes with the fresh air and burns.



On topic though, i think another huge part of responsible AAS use would be keeping your mouth shut about it when you're in the gym, big or small, strong or weak, I cant stand hearing guys spout off about when they're pinning when they're in the gym.. they're usually loud mouth idiots and the last thing you need is some young guy taking that influence to heart and using when he shouldnt, I think it should be kept private.


Well bro i agree with with you, but if all your buddies are on the juice as well of course there will be talk about it. If people at the gym are listening to you they should be kicked out for not working hard enough and for not minding there own ****ing buisness ya dig?:D

[cog]

Have to agree with CI.