I might have done something stupid

[gicantor]

like NO PCT. And I feel great(except 3 days for a cold). I know that does not mean I'm recovered but I'm just saying I feel better than when I ran a PCT. I should have started last thursday and didn't.

Cycle was 10 weeks 500 mg test C(was suppose to be 16 had to cut short)
5 weeks NPP at the beginning.
HCG 250X2 EW throughout

There is no point to this thread. I'm not sure what I 'm trying to say. Just throwing it out there.Discuss if you want.

[Ritch]

So you`ve been off for 2-3 weeks?

[waderow]

small cycle, but you might have a few problems in the next couple weeks

[gicantor]

yeah last shot was 3 weeks ago. I ususally start 2 weeks after last shot.

[gicantor]

small cycle, but you might have a few problems in the next couple weeks

I think I might wait it out and see. I do stupid shit sometimes just to see what happens.

[Ritch]

yeah last shot was 3 weeks ago. I ususally start 2 weeks after last shot.

Well as you know the test is still in you, I`d say in another 3 weeks you will start to feel it. I`d start some aromasin if I were you.

[gicantor]

Well as you know the test is still in you, I`d say in another 3 weeks you will start to feel it. I`d start some aromasin if I were you.

I have everything on hand if i need it. So i can run one if i need to. I'm going to visit the doc to for bloodwork. He's down with the sickness if you get what i'm mean.

[theboss]

interesting..and good for you if you rebounded that fast...but i think you might be in for a surprise.

[Solo59]

interesting..and good for you if you rebounded that fast...but i think you might be in for a surprise.

Yes, it's possible you're recovering naturally, but my bet izzat Test C is still in your blood and the drop-off is just around the bend...

Solo

[gicantor]

interesting..and good for you if you rebounded that fast...but i think you might be in for a surprise.


Yes, it's possible you're recovering naturally, but my bet izzat Test C is still in your blood and the drop-off is just around the bend...

Solo

Only one way to find out....

[Ritch]

I have everything on hand if i need it. So i can run one if i need to. I'm going to visit the doc to for bloodwork. He's down with the sickness if you get what i'm mean.

Well that`s good to hear. I wouldn`t take any chances, as the others said, the drop off is about to reveal it`s ugly head...

[GYMBRAT]

x2-3 whatever it is but I agree, your not (test) rock bottom yet ;)

[Memo]

I dont like this thread. I heard you can have problem for up to 5 months without pct, like higher cortisol, higher estrogen. Test production will never be optimal in a high estrogen environment.

[waderow]

wasnt that big of a cycle... plus he did HCG throughout...
Probably will recover naturally, however like everyone else, I would take some pct drugs.

[RagingRandy]

The HCG during cycle will definitely help as well as youth.

[ironwill]

Hernon told me a few times he never has once run pct in his off time and always recovered great, he ran hcg through his cycles in the day...........???

[GYMBRAT]

C-money recovers 100% every time as well, me NOT!

[GYMBRAT]

damn I have no life, look at my post count! sheeesh!

[C-money]

C-money recovers 100% every time as well, me NOT!

Ya i was gonna chime in... i still havent had to use Hcg for recovery.. i probably will eventually... some of us are lucky i guess when it comes to recovering

[gicantor]

Hernon told me a few times he never has once run pct in his off time and always recovered great, he ran hcg through his cycles in the day...........???

Yup i read about lots of people trying this. So I figure what the hell. I'll try it out. Personally I'd rather use as little drugs as possible.

[sixguns]

silly and irresponsible, week 2 of pct is the worst, WITH nolva, good luck man, but next week its gonna be GOOD NIGHT SWEET PRINCE LMFAO :puff

[gicantor]

silly and irresponsible, week 2 of pct is the worst, WITH nolva, good luck man, but next week its gonna be GOOD NIGHT SWEET PRINCE LMFAO :puff

Really? And why is that? Cause you read it on the internet?

I can tell be the quality of your post you should have alot to contribute to this board.:ji

[vakker]

you should really be careful calling the kettle black.




Really? And why is that? Cause you read it on the internet?

I can tell be the quality of your post you should have alot to contribute to this board.:ji

[sixguns]

Really? And why is that? Cause you read it on the internet?

I can tell be the quality of your post you should have alot to contribute to this board.:ji

just cause im new to your board doesnt mean im a newb, but your actions and irresponsibilty make me wonder about you, you can do what u want and in all fairness i give a ****, but tread lightly my friend your hpta is not something you want to take for granted

[tex]

i wouldnt want to experiment with something like this......hormone balance is very important to quality of life......

[GYMBRAT]

for me I need a proper PCT or almost all that I gained is down the tubes for real, even with proper training, diet etc,...and thats not cool in my books.....BUT to each their own ;)

[dremen]

Really? And why is that? Cause you read it on the internet?

I can tell be the quality of your post you should have alot to contribute to this board.:ji


I did a pct a few years ago with fake shit and i crashed like an iced up plane that just lost all it's fuel.

You may feel ok, but im telling you there is a VERY good chance your nips will puff up and stay that way. And if it does happen it will do it overnight......SNAP...DONE.

I know from personal experiance bro.

I think it's pretty silly to not run a proper pct, like a lil adex or aromasin won't cost that much.

There's a lot of funny shit your body can do when estrogen is in control of your body......again this i know first hand.

Best of luck mate.

[dremen]

just cause im new to your board doesnt mean im a newb, but your actions and irresponsibilty make me wonder about you, you can do what u want and in all fairness i give a ****, but tread lightly my friend your hpta is not something you want to take for granted

Your advice is solid my friend.:a+

[GYMBRAT]

I did a pct a few years ago with fake shit and i crashed like an iced up plane that just lost all it's fuel.

You may feel ok, but im telling you there is a VERY good chance your nips will puff up and stay that way. And if it does happen it will do it overnight......SNAP...DONE.

I know from personal experiance bro.

I think it's pretty silly to not run a proper pct, like a lil adex or aromasin won't cost that much.

There's a lot of funny shit your body can do when estrogen is in control of your body......again this i know first hand.

Best of luck mate.

sound advice bro!! I have had that awful experience myself so I have to agree with ya 110%

[Big D]

i've done cycles for 6 month and not use pct and recovered fine. all I did was HCG at the end of the cycle, and abit of adex and thats it

[Sean Summers]

You can go without PCT (especially with shorter cycles) but you have much greater chance of losing your gains than if you had did it. It is very important to get your body back into test production to solidify your gains. Very important.
If you can't do PCT then go HRT with 100mg test per week. Not ideal but you will keep your gains. Make sure you do PCT at some point - very important.
SS

[dremen]

i've done cycles for 6 month and not use pct and recovered fine. all I did was HCG at the end of the cycle, and abit of adex and thats it


Sounds like a quick pct to me.

A lil adex and HCG is 100x better then just nothing.

[GYMBRAT]

You can go without PCT (especially with shorter cycles) but you have much greater chance of losing your gains than if you had did it. It is very important to get your body back into test production to solidify your gains. Very important.
If you can't do PCT then go HRT with 100mg test per week. Not ideal but you will keep your gains. Make sure you do PCT at some point - very important.
SS

great advice SS, like I said I need to run PCT in order to solidify my gains, tried a number of yrs ago and lost pretty much all of them, so it was a waist of money and never again :beer

[dremen]

great advice SS, like I said I need to run PCT in order to solidify my gains, tried a number of yrs ago and lost pretty much all of them, so it was a waist of money and never again :beer

**** the money bro it's a waste of energy. Energy in the gym and all the energy spent forcing food down are mouths.

My buddy rebuilt a 68 camero a few years and on the first drive he took it got smashed by a drunk driver. He grabbed a coffee at tims and a dude on a crotch rocked smashed his honda into the side of the camero and totaled it right there.

Point being all that hard work went down the drain:(

[GYMBRAT]

true VERY true!! Ido the latter anyways but.....rote off a 68 Camero eh! OUCH I prob woulda killed that ****er on that "organ doner" bike!!!

[Memo]

With the amount of money and time we spend training even if PCT was useless and unproven. I would do it just to be on the safe side. its like using a condom. Not all girl have std.. but I RATHER BE SAFE.

[CanadianIron]

Getting gyno is enough of a danger for me to never try anything like OP. Nothing is worse than bitch tits on a guy....

[dremen]

Getting gyno is enough of a danger for me to never try anything like OP. Nothing is worse than bitch tits on a guy....

x2 bro.

200 bucks for pct or 3-5k for gyno surgery, Hmmmm i unno..lol;)

[gicantor]

just cause im new to your board doesnt mean im a newb, but your actions and irresponsibilty make me wonder about you, you can do what u want and in all fairness i give a ****, but tread lightly my friend your hpta is not something you want to take for granted

I never did call you a newbie. And i wouldn't really call it irresponsible I'm not hurting anyone else and I do have all the proper drugs on hand. And money is not the issue incase anyone else is thinking that. Call it curiousity i guess. I did say I would be getting bloodwork aswell.


I was totally expecting to get heat for this, I just wanted to see everyone's opinion.

[dremen]

I never did call you a newbie. And i wouldn't really call it irresponsible I'm not hurting anyone else and I do have all the proper drugs on hand. And money is not the issue incase anyone else is thinking that. Call it curiousity i guess. I did say I would be getting bloodwork aswell.


I was totally expecting to get heat for this, I just wanted to see everyone's opinion.


Still not smart bro and im not one to tell people what ta do.

[vakker]

I never did call you a newbie. And i wouldn't really call it irresponsible I'm not hurting anyone else and I do have all the proper drugs on hand. And money is not the issue incase anyone else is thinking that. Call it curiousity i guess. I did say I would be getting bloodwork aswell.


I was totally expecting to get heat for this, I just wanted to see everyone's opinion.

If you slammed a knife into your hand and then asked on the internet if that was a good idea, i'm sure you could expect the same response.

[gicantor]

If you slammed a knife into your hand and then asked on the internet if that was a good idea, i'm sure you could expect the same response.

Yes, except people are twisting my words now. Never once did I ask if it was a good idea. I wasn't looking for approval. I said discuss it if you want. Opinion are wanted cause I'm interested in how people will react. It's having no impact on my decision.

Secondly I'm surprised this sparked so much negativity and is so taboo. I do alot of reading on other boards aswell, alot of people taper off with no PCT. And as IW said about Hernon.....of course no one would attack him though.

[vakker]

Yes, except people are twisting my words now. Never once did I ask if it was a good idea. I wasn't looking for approval. I said discuss it if you want. Opinion are wanted cause I'm interested in how people will react. It's having no impact on my decision.

Secondly I'm surprised this sparked so much negativity and is so taboo. I do alot of reading on other boards aswell, alot of people taper off with no PCT. And as IW said about Hernon.....of course no one would attack him though.

but same rules apply, they are discussing and its negative. don't like the reaction? don't bring it up. You didn't think they would congratulate you and hold you up on their shoulders, you knew this was a ploy at negative attention.

[sixguns]

I never did call you a newbie. And i wouldn't really call it irresponsible I'm not hurting anyone else and I do have all the proper drugs on hand. And money is not the issue incase anyone else is thinking that. Call it curiousity i guess. I did say I would be getting bloodwork aswell.


I was totally expecting to get heat for this, I just wanted to see everyone's opinion.

personally you just sound like a punk kid who gets kicks from doin stupid shit, this is a pointless misleading thread and should be closed

[Big D]

Sounds like a quick pct to me.

A lil adex and HCG is 100x better then just nothing.

agreed , lol i re-read my post and ya it is a small pct

[dremen]

agreed , lol i re-read my post and ya it is a small pct

Ha ha bro i thought it was kinda funny, like when a dude says "Im not gay", "I just like to suck a lil cock here and there".......:rofl

[gicantor]

personally you just sound like a punk kid who gets kicks from doin stupid shit, this is a pointless misleading thread and should be closed

Yup, you got me. I'm just some punk that has no idea what he's putting into his body. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Very informative. Maybe you should read some of my older posts and see what I really know before making personal attacks on someone.

[nitrous]

i'm getting tired of al the internet arguements out there so ladies just drop it.. the guy knows it isnt the way to do things but decided to find out himself.. who cares.. i'm sure we all had to find out something the hard way at some point and time..


so how ya feelin now? gettin any worse?

[waderow]

i'm getting tired of al the internet arguements out there so ladies just drop it.. the guy knows it isnt the way to do things but decided to find out himself.. who cares.. i'm sure we all had to find out something the hard way at some point and time..


so how ya feelin now? gettin any worse?

exactly. there are too many hotshots these days

[dremen]

Yup, you got me. I'm just some punk that has no idea what he's putting into his body. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Very informative. Maybe you should read some of my older posts and see what I really know before making personal attacks on someone.

Ha ha that was post #666 for you....:yeah

Anyways bro your letting on that your very knowledgable regarding AAS, but yet you are not planning on running a pct and that's kinda like driving without a seatbelt bro, you might not need it, but if you crash your ****ed.

I don't agree with name calling or the talking eachother down in this thread, but you must have expected SOME heat from this thread..no?

[gicantor]

i'm getting tired of al the internet arguements out there so ladies just drop it.. the guy knows it isnt the way to do things but decided to find out himself.. who cares.. i'm sure we all had to find out something the hard way at some point and time..


so how ya feelin now? gettin any worse?

I feel......normal. No ups or downs just normal. I can't use clomid, it's caused serious depression for me last time. I wanted to make sure it was the clomid and not the drop in hormones. It was defintely the clomid. I needed to do this sort of like process of elimination. I know you didn't ask all that but I'm just explaining. This time PCT was going to be nolva and aromasin, but I decided to go this route. For now.


Ha ha that was post #666 for you....:yeah

Anyways bro your letting on that your very knowledgable regarding AAS, but yet you are not planning on running a pct and that's kinda like driving without a seatbelt bro, you might not need it, but if you crash your ****ed.

I don't agree with name calling or the talking eachother down in this thread, but you must have expected SOME heat from this thread..no?

Dremen I can understand what you mean.

And yes I expected criticism but I will not accept someone attacking my knowledge or me personally when they don't even know me. That was the only reason this thread got out of hand. We are adults here not children.

[dremen]

I feel......normal. No ups or downs just normal. I can't use clomid, it's caused serious depression for me last time. I wanted to make sure it was the clomid and not the drop in hormones. It was defintely the clomid. I needed to do this sort of like process of elimination. I know you didn't ask all that but I'm just explaining. This time PCT was going to be nolva and aromasin, but I decided to go this route. For now.



Dremen I can understand what you mean.

And yes I expected criticism but I will not accept someone attacking my knowledge or me personally when they don't even know me. That was the only reason this thread got out of hand. We are adults here not children.


In all honesty i've wanted to try 5mg/ed of Var and hcg for 6 weeks as a pct. Don't know if i will or not....lol

[C-money]

exactly. there are too many hotshots these days

agreed

[waderow]

In all honesty i've wanted to try 5mg/ed of Var and hcg for 6 weeks as a pct. Don't know if i will or not....lol

???? you joking?

[Big D]

Ha ha bro i thought it was kinda funny, like when a dude says "Im not gay", "I just like to suck a lil cock here and there".......:rofl

LOL

[nitrous]

???? you joking?

lmao agreed.. i hope you are joking

[nitrous]

I feel......normal. No ups or downs just normal. I can't use clomid, it's caused serious depression for me last time. I wanted to make sure it was the clomid and not the drop in hormones. It was defintely the clomid. I needed to do this sort of like process of elimination. I know you didn't ask all that but I'm just explaining. This time PCT was going to be nolva and aromasin, but I decided to go this route. For now.




i noticed no real issues with clomid.. hell i'm still on it and feel great... nolva on the other hand i felt a little more emotional so i guess to each his own

[dremen]

???? you joking?

No im not joking. Im not saying im going to i've just read people have done it and come out ok. Like i said it's just what i've read so not saying it's true.

Kids/teens/adults are put on anavar for months at a time will little to no shut down so running var/hcg after a cycle might be enough to help keep gains AND low enough in AAS to get your natty functions back up and running.

If your thinking ANY AAS usage will shut you down then your one of those people who believes all the copy/paste info posted.

Proviron is a steroid and used for PCT still and people use masteron to help avoid gyno so things are not written in stone IMHO.

[nitrous]

No im not joking. Im not saying im going to i've just read people have done it and come out ok. Like i said it's just what i've read so not saying it's true.

Kids/teens/adults are put on anavar for months at a time will little to no shut down so running var/hcg after a cycle might be enough to help keep gains AND low enough in AAS to get your natty functions back up and running.

If your thinking ANY AAS usage will shut you down then your one of those people who believes all the copy/paste info posted.

Proviron is a steroid and used for PCT still and people use masteron to help avoid gyno so things are not written in stone IMHO.

people go through heart surgery.. some die..some live... not set in stone but not necessarily something you should do if you dont have to either.. and 5mg of var.. i know girls that take more than that..

any amount of AAS that will be big enough to help you will also hinder you coming back.. thats just the way it is

[tex]

Kids/teens/adults are put on anavar for months at a time will little to no shut down so running var/hcg after a cycle might be enough to help keep gains AND low enough in AAS to get your natty functions back up and running.

ummm....kids don't get shutdown.....and the doses they use for treatment for teens/adults are waaaaaaaaaaay lower than bodybuilding doses.

[dremen]

ummm....kids don't get shutdown.....and the doses they use for treatment for teens/adults are waaaaaaaaaaay lower than bodybuilding doses.

I said 5mg/ED during pct.

Ahhhh whatever.:confused:

[kloan]

5mg isn't going to shut you down, not from what i've read... though without knowing if whatever UGL var you're using is dosed properly, you could be screwing yourself over. HG var on the other hand, might have a better shot experimenting with it.

[dremen]

5mg isn't going to shut you down, not from what i've read... though without knowing if whatever UGL var you're using is dosed properly, you could be screwing yourself over. HG var on the other hand, might have a better shot experimenting with it.

Thank you:a+

[tex]

this is called cruising....and a lame cruise at that....5mg of var? are you a 15 y/o girl or something? ;) come off or stay on