Does Deca actually assist with healing or does it just cover it up?

[kloan]

Does Deca actually help heal injuries or just cover up the pain?

I've been experiencing some pain/discomfort in my left arm/shoulder, and now with my leg ****ed up I was wondering if adding some Deca would help speed up recovery. I already plan to take a bit of time off but in the meantime just wondering if Deca would be beneficial in a low dose.

[waderow]

it improves collagen synthesis. so... depending on injury... yes.

In my eyes, it is more of an injury preventative drug.


I had had shoulders years ago, and could hardly lift, until I started EQ. Boldenone made my shoulders feel new again. Now they are perfect (almost).

Nandrolone is better on paper then Boldenone

[kloan]

EQ, really? hmm.. well maybe 400mg/week isnt enough for those benefits? cuz it hasnt seemed to help at all for my shoulder pain. or maybe it hasnt been long enough.

deca probably wont do anything for the muscle pull in my leg im assuming, since its got nothing to do with collagen.

im supposed to be going to disney land this sunday, which is gonna be a lot of walking... im just grasping straws here. though come to think of it one shot of deca isnt going to do shit even if it were to help with this injury, which im sure it wouldnt.

**** it... i'll just take it easy, no heavy lifting til next week.. give it a rest and hope by sunday its ok.

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as a side note, if i were to start taking the deca to help my shoulders... whats an effective min. dose?

[waderow]

EQ, really? hmm.. well maybe 400mg/week isnt enough for those benefits? cuz it hasnt seemed to help at all for my shoulder pain. or maybe it hasnt been long enough.

deca probably wont do anything for the muscle pull in my leg im assuming, since its got nothing to do with collagen.

im supposed to be going to disney land this sunday, which is gonna be a lot of walking... im just grasping straws here. though come to think of it one shot of deca isnt going to do shit even if it were to help with this injury, which im sure it wouldnt.

**** it... i'll just take it easy, no heavy lifting til next week.. give it a rest and hope by sunday its ok.

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as a side note, if i were to start taking the deca to help my shoulders... whats an effective min. dose?

yeah. just baby it till it heals.

deca i have never ran, but I think 400 ish is where you need to be.

[kloan]

oh... i was hoping it'd be less. i have one 10ml 275mg/ml bottle.

[Memo]

Nandrolone is used in the treatment of osteoporosis.

[gustavo77]

oh... i was hoping it'd be less. i have one 10ml 275mg/ml bottle.

One shot of week of that would help with the joints.

[IronMan]

Deca also has anti inflamitory properties to it, and it also has cortisol blocking properties to it. Its a wonderful anabolic actually. Alot of people under estimate its abilities to pack on muscle and all of its beneficial properties.

[GYMBRAT]

x2 you'll feel it helping, trust me bro

[faller]

I've incorporated Deca into my HRT. I front loaded at 300mg a wk for 4 wks and than brought it down to 150 a wk. I've been on 150mg. for 7 wks now i believe (i'd have to check my journal to be sure) but my joints feel fantastic!

Before Deca i had a hard time squating down and staying there, you know like when i'd go shopping and i'd squat down to look at something on the lower shelf. I felt like an old man trying to get back up to a standing position. Now i can squat there all day long!!

[GYMBRAT]

I agree caller, it makes life on gear just that much more worth it haha

[kloan]

alright, so general consensus is that 1 shot a week would be good? that'll give me roughly 8-9 weeks of it... maybe after a few weeks i can drop the dose to 1/2 ml? i hadnt planned on buying any more gear for a while, so i hope to make it last. buuuuuut... i suppose i can get some more stuff if the need is there. :)

[#8]

i ran 400mg a week for 12 weeks and it felt like BUTTAH! i had amazing strength and zero shoulder / knee problems which plague me from hockey.

im definitely gonna use it on my next run.

[kawikaratekid]

Do you hold a lot of water on Deca?

[Durk]

If it didnt mess with my libido and mood so bad during pct I would run it all the time. I am lucky I only used NPP. I couldnt imagine how much more a longer ester would of messed with me yikes!

[natenator]

I get killer acne on it/ Won't run it again

[kloan]

I get killer acne on it/ Won't run it again

Ah shit really? Hmm.. I don't want to give my body any more reason to break out.

[L3]

I get killer acne on it/ Won't run it again

TBH i thought those were cigarette burns / old scars :handsome

[Solo59]

EQ, really? hmm.. well maybe 400mg/week isnt enough for those benefits? cuz it hasnt seemed to help at all for my shoulder pain. or maybe it hasnt been long enough.

deca probably wont do anything for the muscle pull in my leg im assuming, since its got nothing to do with collagen.

im supposed to be going to disney land this sunday, which is gonna be a lot of walking... im just grasping straws here. though come to think of it one shot of deca isnt going to do shit even if it were to help with this injury, which im sure it wouldnt.

You want to take Deca to help you walk around Disneyland?:shock

Solo

[waderow]

You want to take Deca to help you walk around Disneyland?:shock

Solo

lol
i laughed

[kloan]

You want to take Deca to help you walk around Disneyland?:shock

Solo
lol i realize that sounded retarded.... i wasnt really thinking clearly when i posted.. still hopped up on stims from my pre-workout drink.

(btw, that thought was kinda lumped together with the other reasons i was inquiring about using it... shoulders, elbow, etc)

[tex]

You want to take Deca to help you walk around Disneyland?:shock

Solo walking around disney? no way....i think id call it "lurking"

[waderow]

lurking with jesus juice?

[Memo]

I have equitest 250test-200eq, would it be beneficial to use deca on top or a waste of gear? I was planning on running 2CC a week for next run.

[juice555]

alright, so general consensus is that 1 shot a week would be good? that'll give me roughly 8-9 weeks of it... maybe after a few weeks i can drop the dose to 1/2 ml? i hadnt planned on buying any more gear for a while, so i hope to make it last. buuuuuut... i suppose i can get some more stuff if the need is there. :)
I have used 400,then 300, then 200, then finally a little over 100 per week. joint-wise I couldnt tell the difference.
I attribute my new joint health to Deca unequivocally. my shoulder and knees were f**ked up from that damn Accutane. I also had a 2 year long tendon injury in my inner elbow. Many a time I almost came to tears the pain was so bad lifting.
Well along came Deca, and now I am good as new. I can't say it it actually healed the injuries... but at least it made my joints feel great to the injuries could heal themselves in the mean time.

[gustavo77]

I have used 400,then 300, then 200, then finally a little over 100 per week. joint-wise I couldnt tell the difference.
I attribute my new joint health to Deca unequivocally. my shoulder and knees were f**ked up from that damn Accutane. I also had a 2 year long tendon injury in my inner elbow. Many a time I almost came to tears the pain was so bad lifting.
Well along came Deca, and now I am good as new. I can't say it it actually healed the injuries... but at least it made my joints feel great to the injuries could heal themselves in the mean time.

Amen...i took this guy's advice and started some deca on my current cycle of test and GH. Deca never did much for me in the past, in the way of gains, so i wrote if off....almost two weeks now back on deca and i can definitely feel a difference already...

[kloan]

walking around disney? no way....i think id call it "lurking"

lurking? what do you mean?

[#8]

i wonder if accutane is what ****ed up my joints even more also......****....

[spiderman7]

Triantafillopoulos IK, Banes AJ, Bowman KF Jr, Maloney M, Garrett WE Jr, Karas SG. Nandrolone decanoate and load increase remodeling and strength in human supraspinatus bioartificial tendons. Am J Sports Med. 2004;32(4):934-43.

ABSTRACT

BACKGROUND: To date, no studies document the effect of anabolic steroids on rotator cuff tendons. STUDY DESIGN: Controlled laboratory study. HYPOTHESIS: Anabolic steroids enhance remodeling and improve the biomechanical properties of bioartificially engineered human supraspinatus tendons. METHODS: Bioartificial tendons were treated with either nandrolone decanoate (nonload, steroid, n = 18), loading (load, nonsteroid, n = 18), or both (load, steroid, n = 18). A control group received no treatment (nonload, nonsteroid [NLNS], n = 18). Bioartificial tendons' remodeling was assessed by daily scanning, cytoskeletal organization by staining, matrix metalloproteinase-3 levels by ELISA assay, and biomechanical properties by load-to-failure testing. RESULTS: The load, steroid group showed the greatest remodeling and the best organized actin cytoskeleton. Matrix metallo-proteinase-3 levels in the load, steroid group were greater than those of the nonload, nonsteroid group (P <.05). Ultimate stress and ultimate strain in the load, steroid group were greater than those of the nonload, nonsteroid and nonload, steroid groups (P <.05). The strain energy density in the load, steroid group was greater when compared to other groups (P <.05). CONCLUSIONS: Nandrolone decanoate and load acted synergistically to increase matrix remodeling and biomechanical properties of bioartificial tendons. CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Data suggest anabolic steroids may enhance production of bioartificial tendons and rotator cuff tendon healing in vitro. More research is necessary before such clinical use is recommended.

[juice555]

i wonder if accutane is what ****ed up my joints even more also......****....

According to the Accutane literature only about 5% of user experience this. You'd definately know it during your cycle. It was was obvious for me.
Much to my horror I recently needed to run another cycle of Accutane as nothing else was working, although I swore off it the last time.
I told the doctor I'd only take 1/2 the recommended dosage for my bodyweight. This time it cured most of my acne, and I felt no other ill effects other than dry lips.

[tiramisu]

I think anything that helps remove the inflammation so the damn tendonosis heals is a good thing. The problem of course is that aas make the muscle stronger faster than the tendon so if you skip rehab and lift heavy you're just going to make it worse.