designing first cycle

[maximus14]

im thinking about doing my first cycle this coming winter which would consist of 500mg of test per week for 12 weeks and then tapering down for 4 weeks making it a 16 week cycle, but i wanted to know do i start taking my nolva the week i start tapering down or when ive completly tapered off of the test, all input would be appreciated

[RagingRandy]

No need to taper. Start your Nolva 2 weeks after your last shot.

[GYMBRAT]

I would taper and I would start your PCT 2wks after your last shot :D ...sorry RR

[PdH]

I would taper as well. Provides an easier transition IME.

[Memo]

when you guys say taper is it something like

1-12 500mg/week test e eod
13-14 350mg/week test e eod
15-16 250mg/week test e eod
18-20 nolva 40mg/ed
20-22 nolva 20mg/ed
20-24 aromasin 25mg/ed

[GYMBRAT]

PCT from ps @ ABB: (very effective)

Ok my simplified version goes like this:
Trib 3 grams per day (should be taken throughout cycle and well past taper)
Drop all other AAS 4 weeks prior to tapering the test
week 1 cut test dosage in half
week 2 half dosage again
week 3 half again, add in 20 mgs per day nolva
week 4 half again, 20 mgs/day nolva
week 5 off test, 20 mgs /day nolva
week 6 20 mgs/day nolva
week 7 cut nolva doasage in half
week 8 cut nolva in half again. Finish up the week and then you're off.
The nolva dosage is ballpark so one may need a bit more, the test taper may be stretched out over a few extra weeks if massive amounts of gear/test were cycled I was basing this on a modest 500-800 mgs per week, but once ya get up into the gram plus then a longer taper may be needed.

[Memo]

why test and nolva at the same time?


this is the protocol I follow.

what is ABB website url?

[GYMBRAT]

its ********************.com

[Memo]

its ********************.com

thanx

[Memo]

I dont understand how using less than 100mg of test a week with nolva on top will help return natural test production.

[RagingRandy]

I do not see the need to taper as your test levels taper down naturally through half life. It seem like you are working against your bodies ability to rebound by adding more test.

However, I can see the logic for tapering if you are on a huge cycle, which this is not, as your body will go into shock with the sudden stoppage of the extra substances.

[maximus14]

hmmm RR you make a good point, but my cycle isnt for a little while still so i think im going to do as much research about tapering before then and than make my decision, and also instead of tapering down would it be better to just run a long 16 weeker at 500/wk test? this is my first cycle and im 21 so im pretty sure i should rebound from a longer cycle of just test what do you guys think?

[GYMBRAT]

I think you'd do fine as RR said without a taper on your cycle. Also think you'd be happy with a 16 wker of enan at 500mgs a wk

[maximus14]

yeah i was thinking enan but im still unsure as both profiles are very similiar (cyp/enan>, i also heard enan tends to be less painful is there any truth to this?

[GYMBRAT]

yeah either or, and they've never been painfull for me

[waderow]

personally I wouldnt taper. YOure only running a half gram...

Just do your 16 weeks, and then a good PCT. You will (or should) be fine.

You will also love your last 4 weeks

[maximus14]

yeah i doubt im gunna run the taper thanks for all the input guys i appreciate your help once i start ill post before and after pics

[GYMBRAT]

right on bro good luck and be safe

[RagingRandy]

The hard part of a 16 week cycle is that you need to keep your diet and training spot on for at least that length of time. Keep the brain dialed in and you will do well.

For a cycle of that length you may want to look into running some HCG to help in the recovery.