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CanadianIron
01-11-2009, 03:17 PM
So as you all know, the olympic torch touched down in BC this week..

****ing retards think that the money spent on the olympics would be better spent on lazy homeless drug addicts.... regardless..

The olympics are coming, the bridges, buildings, roads etc are already well on their way to being done... the money is SPENT... get the **** over it.... if you wanted to stop them, you're 10 years late you idiots...

These ****ers blocked all the streets for the torch relay, shouting like assholes, blowing trumpets and throwing marbles under the RCMP's horses... they're trying to kill the police horses, how ****ed is that!?

All they're doing is making our democracy look retarded and implimenting super high security costs and ruining the experience for the people who want to embrace the olympics....

How about the police mow these ****ers down for removing the freedoms of families with children that wanted to enjoy the relay... this shit makes me ashamed to be Canadian....

Talo
01-11-2009, 03:27 PM
It sucks , but people do this all over the world every 2-4 years.

Personally , I think it's great that Canada has it again.

JacktheThriller
01-11-2009, 03:56 PM
money into homeless people is useless nyway its just goin to fund addictions, from a broken ass social system, besides olympic spending is an investment not a ****ing handout

faller
01-11-2009, 04:15 PM
I agree about the protester's CI. Not only are there anti olympic protests but anti seal hunt, anti poverty, they're all there spewing their cause's...

But as to this being an investment i'd have to disagree. We're going to be paying for this little fiasco for years to come. Very few people will see any benefit from this. Why do you think when Cambell had the referendem he only let greater Van. vote even though all of BC is paying for it? He knew it would never have passed because the rest of BC will never see any positive from it and we weren't about to vote it in.

We'll never know the real cost.

marino
01-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Gotta agree with you Faller, the 1976 olympics took 40yrs to pay off. I don't agree with giving money to junkies but I would like to see the money go to improve schools, highways, hospitals etc...

We will see the next generation probably paying this off for us

JacktheThriller
01-11-2009, 04:25 PM
its indirect investment, we pay for the olympics, and then surrounding businesses get the rewards

faller
01-11-2009, 04:41 PM
I don't know, i'm hearing figure's of the cost at something like $6,000,000,000! Any net benefit to buisness will quickly be eaten up to pay that down. A poor investment imo.

JacktheThriller
01-11-2009, 04:47 PM
I don't know, i'm hearing figure's of the cost at something like $6,000,000,000! Any net benefit to buisness will quickly be eaten up to pay that down. A poor investment imo.

$6 billion Jeez maybe that money could have been better spent. lol either way we live in consumer society, as long as they didnt make everything out of actual money it an investment, someone got the contract somebody built new roads etc

faller
01-11-2009, 04:53 PM
I just tried doing a search and it's kinda weird how little info is out there. I did a "net benefit to 2010 olympic" and the most up to date info go's back to 2003. The only thing up to date is the "sun" paper, and i can't help but to take what they say with a grain of salt.

PdH
01-11-2009, 05:07 PM
The cost overruns for the Olympics are outrageous. Every single aspect of spending went completely out of control. Once again the public was sold a bill of goods on lies and those responsible aren't held accountable. Olympic village, rink, roads, security, etc, etc, etc. B.C. has the highest level of child poverty in the country, and has for the last five years, yet billions of tax dollars go to a ****in fiasco represented as a sporting event but is nothing more than economic exploitation of an entire society. Yes, the rest of Canada paid taxes for this grand event.

Sports are a good thing, having a showcase for the benefit of bureaucracies and multinationals is not.

CanadianIron
01-11-2009, 06:19 PM
Heres the thing though... the sea to sky highway employed thousands and thousands of man hours, add new convention center and the speed skate oval etc all during a recession and you've got people paying taxes..

We arent shelling the money out of the province, most goes right back to Canada. The government literally dishes it out to us... poor people dont like it because it isnt employing their broken asses. Spend the money on employing locals and the cash goes to the people and flows throughout the system, give it to the poor and you're literally burning it.

The Canadian definition of "poverty" is a joke imo.... i have yet in my life seen a child walking the streets looking malnourished and underweight with flees in their hair... in Canada if you don't have an Xbox 360, you're impoverished. Funding the homeless doesnt stimulate the economy or further the province financially. Its a black hole. Putting money into infrastructure pays off.

I spend 45mins - hour on the roads every day because of traffic, the new roads im using now already save me 15mins a day, the new Port Mann bridge will save me another 40 per day. If the government can save people like me an hour a day of sitting in a car and burning gas, thats less of our money going overseas to oil producing countries and more going into local retail and restaurants etc.

Give a homeless guy a place to live, he'll trash it, require public assistance and you're throwing food and shelter at a guy that will likely never help society for the same reasons he's on the streets in the first place.

I personally think the BC Liberals are doing a decent job... all governments waste money, but my day to day life has improved from them concidering we're in a recession. When the BC NDP's were in they spent $300 million on ferries that were sold for scrap after never being used.

A province should be ran like a business... you invest your money in equipment and improving efficiencies your profit goes up... you spend it on giving your worst employees more benefits and you go out of business.

Mastagon
01-11-2009, 06:32 PM
I think I would kind of like to see the people throwing marbles under the police horses run over by a car a few times, all reasoning behind the protests aside...

faller
01-11-2009, 06:51 PM
Damn CI thats a hell of a post!! I agree with just about everything you said in regards to wasteing money on the "poor". And yes i really question the whole child poverty thing as well...

6 billion is a very big number if its true. This will really only benefit a small portion of people in this province. The real wealth in this province comes from resource communities scattered through out BC. By wealth i mean dollars created, not shuffled around as it is in the lower mainland. These communities get very little in return other than a job and high taxes. Now with the olympic's in place i see the gov. haveing no choice at some point down the road to raise taxes, no amount of "benefit" will ever pay this monster down

These same people scattered through out the province never even had the oppurtunity to vote on the referendom, but they sure as hell are going to pay for it... But than again if the NDP were in the figure would be double for sure. :)

Green for ur post!

champcar99
01-11-2009, 06:52 PM
Waste of money it is..they figured out it was cheaper to put the althets in hotels then to build residence for them to stay in, the amount we will be in the hole will be ****ING HUGE ...as far as getting all infrastucture of road and bridges all I can say is it should of been done 10 ****ing years ago...lets not forget the purposed toll they want to add to the sea and sky hiway and the goldenears bridge is ****ing tolled..give me a break..Now the translink wants to try to get a xtra 100 plus dollars from everyone that drives on the streets of B.C.....We pay more taxes than any province in Canada and even the states..This was just some stupid bullshit cambell is doing for his ****ing legacy..AA will be better served for him...Yea BC the best place to live if you have the money....B ring C ash..is what this province stance for...


spend billions of dollars for 2 ****ing weeks of entertainment and tell me how in the **** are we going to profit from this...wait till you see how much property taxes go up in B.C. after this is over...how do you think it's going to be paid back...

PdH
01-11-2009, 08:30 PM
The Canadian definition of "poverty" is a joke imo.... i have yet in my life seen a child walking the streets looking malnourished and underweight with flees in their hair... in Canada if you don't have an Xbox 360, you're impoverished. Funding the homeless doesnt stimulate the economy or further the province financially. Its a black hole. Putting money into infrastructure pays off.

So according to you, a child is not living in poverty unless they are malnourished, underweight and have fleas in their hair. Are you ****ing kidding me? Did you really say that? I didn't realize this was a third-world country. What do Xbox's have to do with poverty? Did you really say that? How about the kids that are being pimped out by their parents? Or the ones that go to school in the winter with no winter clothing? Or the ones that have to use school food programs to get fed? All of these are pretty common if you know where to look. Why do you think BC child protection workers are so overworked? Or did you think child protection was all about abuse?

As for the homeless, golly, I wonder if investments were made in that area if the soaring health care, policing, and incarceration costs might be remedied somewhat?

Stimulating the economy with tax dollars. Don't conservative folk shun liberal economic policies? Besides, you don't want to stimulate the economy too much, that would require an increase in immigration, which is even worse than the homeless thing.

trainharder
01-11-2009, 09:23 PM
**** the protesters - I hope Vancouver has stockpiled lots of tear gas, and has some water cannons ready for those dirty hippies..I'm sure they could use a shower!

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii237/cbc82/Hippy_beatdown.jpg

GYMBRAT
01-11-2009, 09:58 PM
I agree with ya CanadianIron, its useless and troublesome not to mention embarrassing to Canada

BAM
01-11-2009, 11:01 PM
They should have been using the marbles with slingshots.

Not because I support their cause, I just hate cops.

guest
01-11-2009, 11:05 PM
i'd beat their ****ing marbles loose if i saw someone sabotaging an innocent animal's life like that. aside from that, the Olympics are not what BC needed.

**and i agree with CI on the liberals doing a decent job, god help us if the NDP ever got back in........right down the ****ing drain! nothing but a bunch of complainers that couldnt handle the job half as well if they had to do it.

CanadianIron
02-11-2009, 12:40 PM
If it wasn't for the HUGE economic down turn, it wouldn seem nearly as bad as it is. I dont think there was even an option this time last year when the markets tanked to cancel the olympics.

As far as us paying huge taxes in BC, thats true. But its a nice place to live. If people dont like it, they dont have to live here, simple as that. They can move somewhere that has 6-8 months of cold winter or down south where you have to worry about getting shot all the time.

The liberals may be blowing 6 billion on the olympics, but these numbers probably include a lot of some what unrelated infrastructure spending. A billion dollars on security is a huge waste IMO. But as far as the rest, I think its being spent better than the NDP could ever dream of. They'd pour it into the trash faster than you can say "Carol James is a huge bitch".

waderow
02-11-2009, 01:32 PM
In Canada... generally you are poor by choice

CanadianIron
02-11-2009, 01:48 PM
True for the majority. It always amazes me how "poor" people, can smoke and drink a couple hundred dollars away every month and still call themselves poor... with the amount of money most of the homeless people in Vancouver get, you could get a decent rental apartment and more than enough food somewhere in the interior.

waderow
02-11-2009, 02:10 PM
precisely. "Poor" people often choose not to work, or choose to blow their money on booze, cigarettes, and KFC.

Being poor often qualifies you to live in gov't subsidized housing, with other forms of socialist subsidies such as welfare, etc. Then you often get all kinds of handouts from various church groups or other white "feel good" organizations.

At the end of the day, you have a warm bed, and a roof over your head. Food in the pantry. School supplies. Warm winter clothes. And all you need to come up with is a few hundred dollars a month (if that).

Being poor isnt so bad....

dremen
03-11-2009, 12:34 AM
I heard Vancouver got right ****ed over by the olimpic commite.

Van was to get a BUNCH of money and then "Woops Sorry" your on your own.

Not sure where i head this, but it was a few months back and it was the news i think?

Either way i love my country to no end, but i think it's ****ing stupid to dish out all this cash so people can ****ing bobslead head first at 100mph.

I think the arts/sports are over funded.

Why the **** are MY tax dollars going to a bunch of teenagers who should be in ****ing school with a part time job?

Im sorry, but training for the olympics would be a ****ing cake walk compared to working 60 hours a week as a welder as well as bodybuilding and force feeding myself insane amounts of food, then there's family and kids and traffic.

Take all that shit away and give me money and free time and i will bring you a gold medal in any ****ing event....lol

Look at all the ****ing cash we spend on space programs, like for **** sakes how about we make sure people on EARTH are fed an clothed before we start spending TRILLIONS on bullshit space programs.

Don't get me wrong im a space NUT, but im also against children starving to death in the thousands each day.

Ahhh hell im wound up now:help

PdH
03-11-2009, 08:42 AM
with the amount of money most of the homeless people in Vancouver get, you could get a decent rental apartment and more than enough food somewhere in the interior.

The single social assistance max in Vancouver, including housing, is $625/mth. If you have no housing subtract $375. Do you think you could survive on $625 in Cranbrooke? Even if one could, it's irrelevant, if the cost of living in the community is lower, the social assistance rates go down. I'm not sure what your point is?

faller
03-11-2009, 08:50 AM
The single social assistance max in Vancouver, including housing, is $625/mth. If you have no housing subtract $375. Do you think you could survive on $625 in Cranbrooke? Even if one could, it's irrelevant, if the cost of living in the community is lower, the social assistance rates go down. I'm not sure what your point is?

I think the key word here bro is "assistance". It's not intended to "survive" on. $625 is plenty to get anyone over a short term rough spot.

PdH
03-11-2009, 09:19 AM
I think the key word here bro is "assistance". It's not intended to "survive" on. $625 is plenty to get anyone over a short term rough spot.

I think ideological matters regarding the redistribution of wealth is a much larger issue bro. I'm just providing facts in regard to funding allocations.

dremen
03-11-2009, 09:58 AM
Who gives a **** anyways guys.....lol:beat

CanadianIron
03-11-2009, 11:15 AM
The single social assistance max in Vancouver, including housing, is $625/mth. If you have no housing subtract $375. Do you think you could survive on $625 in Cranbrooke? Even if one could, it's irrelevant, if the cost of living in the community is lower, the social assistance rates go down. I'm not sure what your point is?

If you could rent out a room or small apartment for $400, I cant see why you couldnt live on $225 a month... buy your own food, walk/ride a bike and shop for used cloths... a box of mac and cheese is only 99 cents.

Our govenment shouldnt afford homeless/jobless people steak dinners, $10/day for food is more than enough for a bum. Canada recommends 2500 cals a day for a grown man, you can get that for under $10 in decent food. Throw in the food bank etc and they're just swell.

CanadianIron
03-11-2009, 11:18 AM
Who gives a **** anyways guys.....lol:beat

Well technically if the olympics cost say 5 billion dollars, thats $1000 of tax for every resident of the province, thats a fair chunk of change, especially when you concider all the people who dont really pay that much tax (old people, low incomers)

waderow
03-11-2009, 11:19 AM
Well technically if the olympics cost say 5 billion dollars, thats $1000 of tax for every resident of the province, thats a fair chunk of change, especially when you concider all the people who dont really pay that much tax (old people, low incomers, edit: immigrants)
I edited it for you bro

Bowlcut
03-11-2009, 12:46 PM
The money would have been better spent on tax breaks and letting people invest their money in productive ventures like new wells in FSJ or marijuanna grow ops.

dremen
03-11-2009, 12:52 PM
The money would have been better spent on tax breaks and letting people invest their money in productive ventures like new wells in FSJ or marijuanna grow ops.

Ahhh man i miss growing so much:(

Nothing like having a beer under the glow of 5ooo watts of HPS.

Tomatoes of course:)

faller
04-11-2009, 12:41 AM
I think ideological matters regarding the redistribution of wealth is a much larger issue bro. .

Please tell me you didn't just say that??

trainharder
04-11-2009, 03:52 PM
The problem with Canada is that we are expected to cater to the lowest common denominator... Instead of celebrating success (such as is done in the States), we disapprove of it because it's not the Canadian way to have more than others..

dremen
04-11-2009, 04:25 PM
The problem with Canada is that we are expected to cater to the lowest common denominator... Instead of celebrating success (such as is done in the States), we disapprove of it because it's not the Canadian way to have more than others..


What's the first thing the Canada Arm did when in space......it gave the finger to USA.....LOL

It's not the Canadian way to gloat, and it's are way to give back for the most part.

Shit Americans still think we are a bunch of russian commies up here because we have universal health care. Americans don't celibrate success, they bask in there own glory and pitty the rest of the world.

Aside from going to Hawiia i will never EVER set foot on American soil.:flagC

waderow
04-11-2009, 04:54 PM
Shit Americans still think we are a bunch of russian commies up here because we have universal health care. Americans don't celibrate success, they bask in there own glory and pitty the rest of the world.

Aside from going to Hawiia i will never EVER set foot on American soil.:flagC

that's as ignorant as the americans who are ignorant towards Canada

dremen
04-11-2009, 05:43 PM
that's as ignorant as the americans who are ignorant towards Canada


Ok im ignorant.....WHATEVER:lick

physique
04-11-2009, 10:14 PM
the government shouldnt be giving any homeless person any money. same with welfare people.
should be food stamps, have there rent automatically paid for them. and/or they should get so much food bought for them.

giving these people checks or drect deposits is stupid. most of it is poorly spent on drugs, booze, and cigs.

I have seen these same poor people, and they have more stuff then i do. nice watches, better clothes, cell phones, there kids have playstation systems with shitloads of games. big tvs, nice furniture, etc. but yet they are poor. give me a break.

the system is ****ed. its pretty simple to see that. as for the olympics, poorly spent money and something that would have easily been voted down as faller said saying all of Bc could of voted. Just Vancouverites should be on the hook for money spent as those retards are the ones that wanted it.

waderow
04-11-2009, 10:20 PM
the government shouldnt be giving any homeless person any money. same with welfare people.
should be food stamps, have there rent automatically paid for them. and/or they should get so much food bought for them.

giving these people checks or drect deposits is stupid. most of it is poorly spent on drugs, booze, and cigs.

I have seen these same poor people, and they have more stuff then i do. nice watches, better clothes, cell phones, there kids have playstation systems with shitloads of games. big tvs, nice furniture, etc. but yet they are poor. give me a break.

the system is ****ed. its pretty simple to see that. as for the olympics, poorly spent money and something that would have easily been voted down as faller said saying all of Bc could of voted. Just Vancouverites should be on the hook for money spent as those retards are the ones that wanted it.

or just dont give them anything, and let the world, and natural selection take care of things

JacktheThriller
04-11-2009, 10:26 PM
or just dont give them anything, and let the world, and natural selection take care of things


if u let natural selection take its course u would have died of child, cuz there would be no soap, being human we have invented ways of cheating certain death with medicine, lets face it the dark ages could have been a large case of ecoli without antibiotics we'd be ****ed now too

trainharder
04-11-2009, 10:29 PM
or just dont give them anything, and let the world, and natural selection take care of things

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/Nokari/Amen-Brother.jpg

waderow
04-11-2009, 10:42 PM
if u let natural selection take its course u would have died of child, cuz there would be no soap, being human we have invented ways of cheating certain death with medicine, lets face it the dark ages could have been a large case of ecoli without antibiotics we'd be ****ed now too

my Dad BOUGHT me soap as a child, and worked 2 jobs to support us. One of those jobs ultimately killed him with an on the job accident.

**** the lazy. they should be the ones dying

dremen
04-11-2009, 11:22 PM
my Dad BOUGHT me soap as a child, and worked 2 jobs to support us. One of those jobs ultimately killed him with an on the job accident.

**** the lazy. they should be the ones dying


And you call me ignorant.....lol

waderow
04-11-2009, 11:25 PM
And you call me ignorant.....lol

you a welfare recipient dremen? figures

dremen
05-11-2009, 12:53 AM
you a welfare recipient dremen? figures


Ha ha nope.

Your a ****ing tool.:moon

CanadianIron
05-11-2009, 12:48 PM
And you call me ignorant.....lol

What is ignorant about his post?

If you're lazy, you shouldnt get anything.

People need 2 things, food and shelter. Thats it...

Poor/Lazy people should get a small 8X8 cell and 3 square meals... like someone said earlier, handing out cheques and hoping for the best is rediculous. If they want a freebie, they should get a free jail cell and a big bowl of chum 3 times a day, and if you want better, work for it.

BBbox
05-11-2009, 01:01 PM
ok you guys are missing something...

what about the kids who grow up in homes being sexually and physically abused.... run away at 13.... living on the streets, older people "take them in" and get them into the sex trade and on drugs... now they grow up with no skills and drug addictions. This happens to a LARGE majority of people who are homeless or on welfare. Alot of kids are also going from foster home to foster home, being beaten and abused, and told their worthless from the day they are born. These kids have NO CHANCE, none of it is their fault.

How can you blame them for the position they are in now?

BBbox
05-11-2009, 01:03 PM
Lets let these people just deal with "natural selection" and die because thats what they deserve right?

What a joke

waderow
05-11-2009, 01:04 PM
ok you guys are missing something...

what about the kids who grow up in homes being sexually and physically abused.... run away at 13.... living on the streets, older people "take them in" and get them into the sex trade and on drugs... now they grow up with no skills and drug addictions. This happens to a LARGE majority of people who are homeless or on welfare. Alot of kids are also going from foster home to foster home, being beaten and abused, and told their worthless from the day they are born. These kids have NO CHANCE, none of it is their fault.

How can you blame them for the position they are in now?

If their scumbag parents weren't babied and given so much social assistance, they might not have bred... I also would vote for sterilization, and/or seizing children from reprobate families. Raise them and mold them into military robot killing machines.

dremen
05-11-2009, 01:05 PM
What is ignorant about his post?

If you're lazy, you shouldnt get anything.

People need 2 things, food and shelter. Thats it...

Poor/Lazy people should get a small 8X8 cell and 3 square meals... like someone said earlier, handing out cheques and hoping for the best is rediculous. If they want a freebie, they should get a free jail cell and a big bowl of chum 3 times a day, and if you want better, work for it.

Ok Hitler:mad:

Poor people should get a 8x8 cell.........Your a ****ing asshole man!!!

waderow
05-11-2009, 01:08 PM
Ok Hitler:mad:

Poor people should get a 8x8 cell.........Your a ****ing asshole man!!!

they should be put to work. building roads. cleaning litter. pruning trees, cutting grass, shovelling snow...


make them earn something unstead of just handouts

if they cant work... then natural selection

BBbox
05-11-2009, 01:12 PM
Actually, people deeper in poverty tend to have more children, due to lack of education about and access to birth control etc.

So had these people been given more social assistance, they would have likely been able to have birth control. Had they been given assistance in job placements, they could focus on that instead of spending all their time having kids, and thus there would have been less children for them to **** up and a lower chance that they are spending all their time beating the kids and blaming them for the stress of being poor and unemployed.

BBbox
05-11-2009, 01:14 PM
once again with the natural selection comment. you cant just "put people to work" if they grew up on the streets being molested and addicted to drugs.

waderow
05-11-2009, 01:16 PM
actually BBbox... many people in welfare situation dont mind having kids because of more compensation from the government

waderow
05-11-2009, 01:18 PM
once again with the natural selection comment. you cant just "put people to work" if they grew up on the streets being molested and addicted to drugs.

sure you can

it would then be their decision to work themselves out of the situation, and live a functional life, or just always be a grunt... either way.... homeless situation solved

BBbox
05-11-2009, 01:21 PM
OK. A kid who ended up being a prostitute by the age of 8 and addicted to drugs by 11 is really able to make the concious decision to "work themselves out of the situation".

Or the homeless people who ended up there because they got schizophrenia at 18 and were put away and once released had no skills and their family couldnt take care of them, that person is really qualified to work themselves out of it regardless of their ****ed up mental health.

waderow
05-11-2009, 01:37 PM
OK. A kid who ended up being a prostitute by the age of 8 and addicted to drugs by 11 is really able to make the concious decision to "work themselves out of the situation".

Or the homeless people who ended up there because they got schizophrenia at 18 and were put away and once released had no skills and their family couldnt take care of them, that person is really qualified to work themselves out of it regardless of their ****ed up mental health.

in my world, the 8yo problem wouldnt happen... as they all would have been to busy working,..... remember? roads, grass, tree pruning?

and the mental illness dudes would get drugged up and put to work

trainharder
05-11-2009, 01:37 PM
i agree with waderow - Welfare should only provide enough to keep you alive: Shelter so you don't freeze to death and 3 meals so you don't starve to death.

You shouldn't be able to afford to eat out, own a TV, own a computer, or drive a car.

I'm sick of seeing 46% of my paycheck go towards the losers of society.

ps: You think he's a dick? If you're a man and want welfare, you should be required to undergo a visectomy...I don't see any reason why your genes should be allowed a chance to live on if you can't even look after your sorry ass.

dremen
05-11-2009, 02:17 PM
Wow and you guys call yourselfs Canadians:(

There will always be people who abuse the system, ANY SYSTEM.

To say people should have there sex organs shut off before they can get welfare is no different then saying all jews are dirty rats and all should be killed.

Unreal how ignrant some of you can be.:mad:

trainharder
05-11-2009, 02:28 PM
Wow and you guys call yourselfs Canadians:(



Since when is supporting the lazy a prerequisite to being Canadian?

For me, Canada stands for freedom, and the opportunity to do anything assuming the willingness to work hard for it.

I won't apologize for being sick and tired of freeloaders.

dremen
05-11-2009, 03:06 PM
Since when is supporting the lazy a prerequisite to being Canadian?

For me, Canada stands for freedom, and the opportunity to do anything assuming the willingness to work hard for it.

I won't apologize for being sick and tired of freeloaders.


SUUUURE all people on welfare are lazy and i guess if we go with your way of thinking all blacks are theifs too huh?

I don't like seeing are welfare system being abused any more then you, BUT unlike you i don't think people who are on welfare need to get fixed as you say or are a lower class of people like you seem to think they are.

Im glad you twisted ****s are not in government otherwise are counrty would resemble germany when hitler was in power.

natenator
05-11-2009, 03:10 PM
SUUUURE all people on welfare are lazy and i guess if we go with your way of thinking all blacks are theifs too huh?

I don't like seeing are welfare system being abused any more then you, BUT unlike you i don't think people who are on welfare need to get fixed as you say or are a lower class of people like you seem to think they are.

Im glad you twisted ****s are not in government otherwise are counrty would resemble germany when hitler was in power.
Outside of genocide there was nothing wrong with the Hitler approach.

A hand up, not a hand out. Too many want a hand out in this country.

waderow
05-11-2009, 03:13 PM
Outside of genocide there was nothing wrong with the Hitler approach.

A hand up, not a hand out. Too many want a hand out in this country.

agree 100%

people have come to EXPECT a hand out in this country. Just look at Dremens posts. He is offended to the point of throwing insults because we think people should work for their money

dremen
05-11-2009, 04:58 PM
agree 100%

people have come to EXPECT a hand out in this country. Just look at Dremens posts. He is offended to the point of throwing insults because we think people should work for their money

Ahhh whatever douche bag, that's not what i was saying at all.

Go kill some babies why don't ya.

natenator
05-11-2009, 05:23 PM
Ahhh whatever douche bag, that's not what i was saying at all.

Go kill some babies why don't ya.
leave our board man. I am a self professed asshole but I make dick comments to people who are being dicks. You are being a dick to everyone it seems to far.

You talk like a tough guy but I bet you cry like the little bitch baby you are if confronted in person.

CanadianIron
05-11-2009, 06:38 PM
Ahhh whatever douche bag, that's not what i was saying at all.

Go kill some babies why don't ya.

You're a troll. Simple as that.

I drag my sad ass out of bed 5 days a week and risk life and limb to make the money I need to live.

If someone was royally ****ed as a child, thats sad, but its not their right to take our money, even if indirectly. I think everyone should have to earn their way. And if they choose not to, they can honestly die in my opinion. No one should be able to live without working, the fact that people can coast through life mooching off the successful is sick and perverse.

I have no problem helping the needy and mentally retarded, but they can still work. Someone needs to clean the sewers, might as well be someone who has no idea what they're eating.

Bowlcut
05-11-2009, 07:18 PM
YOu guys are a bit confused.
How about we get rid of government run welfare and then let voluntary charity take over.
The Salvation Army and church groups can do a way better job of helping people, and if anyone on this board disagrees with these organizations' approach they are not compelled at gun point to fork over their cash.

All I know is that my grandpa had to drop out of school after grade 8 to bust his ass in the fields stooking grain so that I didn't have to. Now I have a generation of pussies who expect to get hand outs, and immigrants like Ruby Dhalla who think they should qualify for old age benefits after being here for a few years. WTF
Welfarism has ruined this nation's spirit.

Good link if anyone wants to read where it went wrong
http://www.nationalpost.com/story-printer.html?id=2010205

faller
05-11-2009, 07:49 PM
How about we get rid of government run welfare and then let voluntary charity take over.
The Salvation Army and church groups can do a way better job of helping people, and if anyone on this board disagrees with these organizations' approach they are not compelled at gun point to fork over their cash.

http://www.nationalpost.com/story-printer.html?id=2010205


Ok now i know you read Ayn Rand!! :a+





There will always be people who abuse the system, ANY SYSTEM.

Actually there is a system where that can not happen, but that's for another thread entirely.... Just curious Bro., you feel very strongly about this topic. I'd like to hear your story. There has to be a reason.

Bowlcut
05-11-2009, 09:21 PM
Ok now i know you read Ayn Rand!! :a+




Actually there is a system where that can not happen, but that's for another thread entirely.... Just curious Bro., you feel very strongly about this topic. I'd like to hear your story. There has to be a reason.

I know Ayn Rand and her works but I am not a big fan of her personally. If you have the time Murray Rothbard has a great critique of her Stalinist cult. She was all for individualism expect when it came to people following her ideas. I prefer reading Rothbard, Mises, and Hans Herman Hoppe.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html

trainharder
05-11-2009, 09:37 PM
Ayn Rand? Wow...this is a first, I have never seen a reference made to Ayn Rand on a bodybuilding board! :wtf

Kidding aside, what's scary is that the current populist attitude is really similar to that found in Atlas Shrugged...****ing scary.

dremen
05-11-2009, 11:18 PM
Ok now i know you read Ayn Rand!! :a+




Actually there is a system where that can not happen, but that's for another thread entirely.... Just curious Bro., you feel very strongly about this topic. I'd like to hear your story. There has to be a reason.


Well bro i don't have all the answers, but i do know it's heartless to say poor people should be killed or persons with mental health issues should clean sewage for a living.

What should we do next, kill babies at birth that have defects or maybe only allow people who are working or in school to have medical care and say **** it to the rest of the world.

Part of being human is helping those in need.

I thank you for asking me to share with you my feelings about this rather then just flame me for being heated.

faller
05-11-2009, 11:53 PM
For the most part dremen i don't think anyone is serious about some of what is said. Look at wadrow, he loves animals, anyone that loves a fluffy little kitten couldn't possibly stand by and watch a human being killed.. Right wadrow? :ht

I skimmed over that link bowlcut, lot of reading for this time of day so i'll read it this weekend..

dremen
06-11-2009, 08:52 AM
For the most part dremen i don't think anyone is serious about some of what is said. Look at wadrow, he loves animals, anyone that loves a fluffy little kitten couldn't possibly stand by and watch a human being killed.. Right wadrow? :ht

I skimmed over that link bowlcut, lot of reading for this time of day so i'll read it this weekend..


Maybe your right bro. I think this SA prop is giving me quite the temper....lol

waderow
06-11-2009, 10:05 AM
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dremen
06-11-2009, 10:45 AM
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LOL

Bowlcut
06-11-2009, 01:23 PM
For the most part dremen i don't think anyone is serious about some of what is said. Look at wadrow, he loves animals, anyone that loves a fluffy little kitten couldn't possibly stand by and watch a human being killed.. Right wadrow? :ht

I skimmed over that link bowlcut, lot of reading for this time of day so i'll read it this weekend..

Good read though. I think Rothbard is a genius.

faller
07-11-2009, 02:02 AM
Ayn Rand? Wow...this is a first, I have never seen a reference made to Ayn Rand on a bodybuilding board! :wtf

Lol, hey we all strive for a healthy life stye, that includes keeping the mind healthy. :D

champcar99
02-12-2009, 10:31 AM
Ahhh man i miss growing so much:(

Nothing like having a beer under the glow of 5ooo watts of HPS.

Tomatoes of course:)

TRY 14000 WATTS BRO..nothing like it..:ne