Original CKD Diet For New Lifters And Dieters

[baza]

First, let me say this, the Palumbo diet is a good diet. Dave made it a cookie cutter diet, easy to follow and get results. If you're on a time frame or preparing for a show, it's a great diet.

That being said, we have people here, majority not bodybuilders, many even just started lifting weights, and are looking to lose weight. To tell them to do the Palumbo diet is like telling someone who just started working out to train 7 days a week and do cardio every morning. They'll more than likely fail, as most 'dieters' do, hence why we have so many obese people walking around. If you don't make it your lifestyle change, it won't work period. (Unless of course, short term or competition)

When I see someone coming here saying they are 20+% or 'very high' or 'too high to list', I often recommend the original CKD diet to them. I started the original CKD diet probably about 7 years ago, and did it for probably 4.5 of the next 5 years, with little breaks here and there.

A typical breakfast for me would have been a BLT, that's bacon, lettuce tomato, with also cheese and mayo, on a low carb bread. Another part of one of my meals would be chocolate peanut butter cups I made. Or mozza sticks dipped in flaxseed for breading. Or a whopper without the bun.

But when I take the time and type out a diet for someone, which will include bacon, cheese, creamy dressings, which makes it a hell of a lot easier to stick with, there will be five people jumping in, 'oh my lord, Mr. Palumbo said you can't have bacon or cheese or creamy dressings.' All Dave did was take the CKD, and make small modifications to it. And I don't care what anyone says, I do not think everyone gets into ketosis with his diet. I've seen dozens of people saying they feel like shit on his diet, weeks in.

I would bet anything, that if you took half the people here who are looking to lose weight, and put them on Palumbo's diet, and you put the other half on CKD, the CKD group would have 10x the amount of success.

I think the Palumbo diet is great. Especially if you are doing a show, photoshoot, getting ready for a wedding, etc., or looking to say go from 11-12% to single digits. But when you are well overweight, and obviously had problems dieting in the past, there is no reason to do the Palumbo diet.

Who in the world would want to eat eggs every morning, every day, chicken with nuts, every day, fish with nuts or a fat oil, every day. When you can be eating bacon, cheese, cesaer salads, mayo, hamburgers, steaks, homemade icecream, chicken wings, chicken thighs, chocolate peanut butter cups, mozza sticks, etc etc.

Some people need to expand there minds, and get out of the old school way of thinking. Like when DC first released his training approach everyone said how ridiculous that was. Or how eggs are still bad for you.

/end rant

[cheesesteak]

I would prefer the Palumbo diet as it is very bland. Eating bacon and mayo and dressings I don't like to do to begin with. I only felt like shit for about 2.5 days, then felt great with even more energy than usual.

I see your point though. Someone who has trouble with diets to begin with jumping into something so strict is like telling someone who can't swim to dive head first into the water.

I'm starting Palumbo's up again in 2 days. It's worked better for me than anything else in the past.

[Praetorian]

The Palumbo diet is definitely NOT cookie cutter...not if you work with Dave....if you copy it off the net than thats your own fault.
That being said it is very easy to modify the diet to make it interesting etc and you do not have to eat eggs every morning etc...thats just being lazy.
Eating the foods you suggested is not healthy....you may lose weight overall but you are jeopardizing your health in the process. Too much saturated fats, nitrites, etc. For most people any diet will work for a period of time...mostly because they eat like shit to begin with and do almost nothing physically. The idea of running DP keot diet is to get to a specific BF level where you are happy...doesnt mean you are competitive as a BB...could be just dropping 10-15lbs and then modify the diet to remain healthy but not overweight. Using the diet to do this is the most efficient and healthy way to achieve your goal in the least amount of time.
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[baza]

I know you don't have to eat the same thing every day, but as you said, people are lazy. How many times do you see people post "Can you make a diet plan for me?" or "Can you make a workout routine for me?".

Though it's not the healthiest diet. It's really not as bad as some think. There have been studies on the atkins diet, and levels were only slightly elevated from what they should be.

I agree it is efficient and even healthier. If I didn't have such great success with my last diet, I would have switched to it.

[Chunk]

ENTER WHAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS A WHINY BITCH RANT haha
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i question the lazy part...part of it has to do with availability, some has to do with budget, some has to do with routine...obviously some people are lazy, but it's not exactly easy to build your own custom diet with proper macro's and such...especially if you're not a serious body builder. for someone like me who could literally eat shit if it was put in front of me, the idea of repetition doesn't bother me a bit, just makes it easier while i start my journey...eventually i'm going to branch off and substitute.

if you go by "research on the internet" there are about 1 000 000 different answers to the same question, which is why noobs like me come to forums...because you were all like "me" once.

i try not to be "that guy", my questions are mostly geared towards drawing my own conclusions by getting as much info as i can...but i gotta be honest with you, it's confusing as shit when you don't know what you're doing. i hope that i'm not someone who would be lumped into the "lazy" category because i'm trying my best not to.

it's like learning to write chinese...if someone doesn't tell me exactly what to do, i'm never going to learn.

to people like TS, and others on this forum, i can certainly understand the annoyances and pain in the ass having noobs come along can be. If I was asked 400 times how to masturbate with a grapefruit...and the answer was always: "slice in half, rotate counter clockwise, and add sugar to desired texture (i'm guessing ;) haha)...i'd want to bust someone up as well.

i know your example is of the blatant "i don't want to work - i want someone else to do it for me", but i feel it necessary to remind everyone that you were all greener than baby shit at one time :D

as i told another user, i did work out for a while and i lurked on nexus looking for answers...but i will never be an expert, that's where you guys come in. i've got no complaints around here, every question i've asked...i've had answers given to me. it's awesome. if i ask something stupid, tell me to go play on the yellow line for all i care, but TRY to be gentle...i am a fatty, and my feelings can be hurt easily.

thanks for the help guys!

[baza]

There's nothing wrong with asking stupid questions.
But asking "Can you make a diet for me?", is a bit ignorant in my opinion. Luckily, there are guys that will take the time and do it. As you said, no it's not simple, it takes some time. It would take me 20-30mins to make a diet out for someone, minimum. I see it hard for someone to be able to committ to a diet and training program if they can't even committ an hour or two on researching their own diet plans. If it was that easy everyone would be walking around ripped. Some diets will work for some, while it won't for others. So the best thing to do is do research so as you learn your body, you can adjust accordingly.

That is one the good thing about the Palumbo diets. He has given sample diets for different body weights. That does make it easier, but it is up to you, as Praetorian said, to make adjustments with different foods.

[Chunk]

dedicating 30 mins of your time to helping someone is one thing, but going to their job for 30 mins while they are at home and collecting the 1/2 hours pay is a little over the top. unless it's a friend i'd tell them to **** off and i'd expect no less from anyone else.

my over generalization of "forum vets" is no better than yours of "lazy noobs"...so i can shut right the hell up hahaha

my reply was more of a cry to the general public for all of the fat guys out there looking for help than one for the people looking for someone else to do it all for them.

it may be lame, but my dad always says to me "can't does nothing, try does it all." i suppose what dad wanted to say was "if you can't try, **** off!" haha SOUND ADVICE...pretty much sums up everything you've said.

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[Praetorian]

dedicating 30 mins of your time to helping someone is one thing, but going to their job for 30 mins while they are at home and collecting the 1/2 hours pay is a little over the top. unless it's a friend i'd tell them to **** off and i'd expect no less from anyone else.

my over generalization of "forum vets" is no better than yours of "lazy noobs"...so i can shut right the hell up hahaha

my reply was more of a cry to the general public for all of the fat guys out there looking for help than one for the people looking for someone else to do it all for them.

it may be lame, but my dad always says to me "can't does nothing, try does it all." i suppose what dad wanted to say was "if you can't try, **** off!" haha SOUND ADVICE...pretty much sums up everything you've said.

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Your Dad was 100% right...you want to lose weight then do it....its your decision not anyone elses...if you are fat its because thats the choice you made...get busy living or get busy dying!
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[JacktheThriller]

i see people losing a lot of their muscle with this CKD diet, caeser salad is all fat, where r ur building blocks and if u throw in a chicken breast it becomes a 700cal salad so wheres the sense in that if u have a calorie goal, i think the CKD makes taking in fat way too easy, dominated by saturated fat

[baza]

Really that made no sense.
As I said, I've done it for years and strength and size were never an issue. I even did my protein at 180g per day when I weighed 235, and it was no different.

Building blocks? huh? You are using fat for energy, instead of carbs, there's your 'building blocks'. That's why you feel fine on CKD, you take in very high amounts of fat.

Cesaer dressing off the top of my head has 8g of fat per tbsp, which is 72 calories. I'm pretty sure no one uses 10tbsp of dressing to get to 700 calories.

[JacktheThriller]

Really that made no sense.
As I said, I've done it for years and strength and size were never an issue. I even did my protein at 180g per day when I weighed 235, and it was no different.

Building blocks? huh? You are using fat for energy, instead of carbs, there's your 'building blocks'. That's why you feel fine on CKD, you take in very high amounts of fat.

Cesaer dressing off the top of my head has 8g of fat per tbsp, which is 72 calories. I'm pretty sure no one uses 10tbsp of dressing to get to 700 calories.


who said nything about carbs lol u r way too touchy on this subject, did u and palumbo have a falling out :wtf dont rag on me, i have my opinion about such a diet and you have yours, im well aware you consider your diet superior, hence the thread

i said 700 cals if u threw in a chicken breast

300 cal breast
3 tbsp at least, 72 is a rounded table spoon that is nothing thats 210
im up to 510
add some of ur cheeses and bacon ur up to 700

it adds up

you utilize fat in palumbo's diet as well, my first venture into dieting was your diet, so im speaking from experience, none of us hold MD's, so that is all i can say is that it does not work for me and i lose a lot of muscle on it, but i also lose fat, i "personally find the palumbo diet to hold onto more mass while dieting" i think u will agree losing muscle is never good

[nisser]

The reason palumbo diets fail is usually user error. I remember reading a thread on some forums years ago and this kid was on it for 6 weeks, with not much success. It turns out the moron was eating his shakes with milk....

[warlock]

This tread made my arteries scream

[baza]

who said nything about carbs lol u r way too touchy on this subject, did u and palumbo have a falling out :wtf dont rag on me, i have my opinion about such a diet and you have yours, im well aware you consider your diet superior, hence the thread

i said 700 cals if u threw in a chicken breast

300 cal breast
3 tbsp at least, 72 is a rounded table spoon that is nothing thats 210
im up to 510
add some of ur cheeses and bacon ur up to 700

it adds up

you utilize fat in palumbo's diet as well, my first venture into dieting was your diet, so im speaking from experience, none of us hold MD's, so that is all i can say is that it does not work for me and i lose a lot of muscle on it, but i also lose fat, i "personally find the palumbo diet to hold onto more mass while dieting" i think u will agree losing muscle is never good

Did Dave and I have a falling out? THe two diets are very similar, and I said it's a good diet?

You mentioned building blocks, so I figured the carbs were the building blocks, I just didn't understand what you were trying to say with that, my apologies.

300 cal breast? That's 75g of protein? That's like two huge chicken breasts? Maybe 3?
On the diet I'd have about 35g of protein per meal, that's would be 140calories.
3tbsp of dressing is 24g of fat. I'd have about 35g of fat per meal. So I would add a bit of cheese. And anyways it was just an example not really relevant to any of it.

[kloan]

I thought CKD was different than what you posted...

When I researched dieting last year, I first came across CKD before Keto or 'Palumbo'. It had a different approach, where you would do your biggest workout on Friday. Before your workout you would consume a bunch of fruit to carb up, then you'd do your workout. Then consume more carbs after the workout. Then have high carb (no fat) meals all the way into Saturday night.

Otherwise, it was the same as Keto where you avoid carbs. You mentioned a bunch of stuff that would have lots of sugar in it... that's not CKD as you wouldn't be in Ketosis.

[baza]

ckd = cyclical ketogenic diet
I didn't do the fruit carb up thing and full body last workout. once and a while I would, but not often.
I would do high carb low fat carb ups, but didn't see much different from eating whatever I wanted.

Nothing I mentioned has a lot of sugar. PB, tomatoes, low carb bread, have a bit, but if that's all the carbs you are taking, you're only taking in 20-30g of carbs at most.

[kloan]

ckd = cyclical ketogenic diet
I didn't do the fruit carb up thing and full body last workout. once and a while I would, but not often.
I would do high carb low fat carb ups, but didn't see much different from eating whatever I wanted.

Nothing I mentioned has a lot of sugar. PB, tomatoes, low carb bread, have a bit, but if that's all the carbs you are taking, you're only taking in 20-30g of carbs at most.

Well, from this part of your post actually:



Who in the world would want to eat eggs every morning, every day, chicken with nuts, every day, fish with nuts or a fat oil, every day. When you can be eating bacon, cheese, cesaer salads, mayo, hamburgers, steaks, homemade icecream, chicken wings, chicken thighs, chocolate peanut butter cups, mozza sticks, etc etc.

I'm not disagreeing with your original point, I eat the same way... I don't stick to the strict 'palumbo diet' because it's not necessary. I know what I need to eat in terms of protein and fats, and I make it up as I go along. It's easy to look food up on nutritiondata.com to see what's what... but when I saw you mention ice cream, chocolate peanut butter cups, etc. it made me wonder.

[baza]

Sorry, I didn't go into more detail about it. But there are recipes for zero carb icecream and pb cups.
Off the top of my head, icecream was blended chocolate protein powder, cottage cheese, and maybe heavy cream. I think I may have also used splenda and coacoa powder.

PB cups, again off the top of my head, were splenda, butter, coacoa powder, and PB. And they are absolutely amazing.

[kloan]

ah, hehe k that explains it. those sound...... interesting. ;)

[baza]

A few msged me asking for more info on CKD.
Here is a step by step from BB.com

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=36497

Diet samples:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=43249