How does my (cutting) cycle look?

[outshine]

This would be my second real cycle. I've ****ed around with m1t for a bit then moved onto 12 weeks of 500mg of test enth/week with 30mg of oral winstrol/ day for the last 4 weeks and some clen. I got up to 245lbs from a solid 215 (8% BF @ 6"2). I basically had McDonald's do my diet and put on too much fat. After Post cycle I retained most of my strength gains and weight. I've started eating healthy and am getting a real diet done and starting it mid february. My goal is to beat last summers 8% BF and make some strength gains. My downfall last cycle was not sticking to a diet combined with my endomorphic genetics. Here is my purposed cycle:

Weeks 1-10: 100 Mg Test Prop EOD
Weeks 1-8: 100 Mg Tren Ace EOD
Weeks 8-14: Clen (2 weeks on 2 week off protocol pyramiding from 40mcg to 200mcg)

I'm going to be using the standard nolva and clomid for PCT. I also have some adex and letro kicking around for during the cycle as I don't want any bloat. I'm hesitant to use any AIs as I always end up using too much and feeling like crap. I'm also thinking of adding either some oral winstrol or anavar, any suggestions would be greatly appreaciated. Thanks guys.

[fathead]

looks ok to me but tren wouldnt be the drug id reccomend to a guy with one cycle under his belt....

think of trying something less nasty, and save tren for a rainy day down the road when your stuck at 300lbs

[outshine]

i was thinking of eq, but i heard it really stimulates the appetite. Would NPP be a suitable replacement?

[gustavo77]

I am using NPP right now and it is great...it is keeping my muscles full while i am dieting and my strength is going up. The strength gains are obviously not like tren but NPP is a great compound and much better suited to a second cycle with test.

[Bowlcut]

I am using NPP right now and it is great...it is keeping my muscles full while i am dieting and my strength is going up. The strength gains are obviously not like tren but NPP is a great compound and much better suited to a second cycle with test.

How do you find the HPTA shut down from NPP vs. tren?

[gustavo77]

How do you find the HPTA shut down from NPP vs. tren?

About the same i suppose. I use HCG religiously on cycle (2x per week), so suppression is basically the same with all compounds...

[outshine]

any thoughts on whether i should throw in an oral like winny or var? I think i'm going to stick with the tren as i already have it but lower the dose as per the recommendations, starting at 50 and seeing how the sides are then moving to 75 eod.

[td1111]

A little Var might help, and some find it suppresses appetite (I'm noticing that a bit right now). Be sure to load up on Taurine for your Clen usage.

[Bowlcut]

About the same i suppose. I use HCG religiously on cycle (2x per week), so suppression is basically the same with all compounds...

The hCG is the key here. On long ester cycles what day do you inject? Dr.Crisler advocates his HRT patients inject hCG on the same day they inject the depot, but this probably makes no difference when using NPP or test P I assume.

[gustavo77]

The hCG is the key here. On long ester cycles what day do you inject? Dr.Crisler advocates his HRT patients inject hCG on the same day they inject the depot, but this probably makes no difference when using NPP or test P I assume.

I generally inject on mon, thurs...500iu each time.

[tony_canuck]

The hCG is the key here. On long ester cycles what day do you inject? Dr.Crisler advocates his HRT patients inject hCG on the same day they inject the depot, but this probably makes no difference when using NPP or test P I assume.



i'm curious, do you know if there is a specific reason behind this?

[Bowlcut]

i'm curious, do you know if there is a specific reason behind this?

From "An update to the Crisler HCG protocol", Dr. John Crisler.


It is now well-established that appropriate TRT using IM injections must be dosed at weekly intervals, in order to avoid seating the patient on a hormonal, and emotional, roller coaster. Adding in some HCG toward the end of the weekly “cycle” compensates for the drop in serum androgen levels by the half-life of the cypionate ester.