shogun got robbed!!

[MMASTAR]

Who thinks shogun got robbed.. Machida may have won 2 rounds, no way did he win 3!! brutal judging!!

[JacktheThriller]

u have to come to kill the champ not slightly win a decision, agree shogun won but not belt worthy

[sierra1]

Anybody have a link to watch the fight?

[Redz]

I watched it free on my fta receiver. I feel shogun lost for sure.

[physique]

did he even win 3 rounds??? thought the score cards were 48-47. thye never mentioned if lyto lost any rounds.

but shogun got f*cked. u shouldnt have to dominate a fight to beat the champ. a win is a win.

[MMASTAR]

u have to come to kill the champ not slightly win a decision, agree shogun won but not belt worthy

so you agree he won but shouldnt get the belt?? he came out with an amazing game plan and executed it perfectly, going in for the kill would play right into machidas strong suit, he won that fight for sure.

[MMASTAR]

did he even win 3 rounds??? thought the score cards were 48-47. thye never mentioned if lyto lost any rounds.

but shogun got f*cked. u shouldnt have to dominate a fight to beat the champ. a win is a win.

10 point must system, you get 10 points for a won round opponent gets 9 or less, 8's are hardly ever given out, so according to the judges machida won 3 rounds shogun 2

[MacNasty]

Shogun won, he inflicted more damage and controlled the center of the octagon throughout the match. Lyoto's ribs and legs looked like raw beef, he was in bad shape by the end. Machida looked quite vulnerable but Shogun is claiming the only reason he did not apply lae pressure is he felt he was clearly winning. He executed the perfect game plan against Machida.

If Dana White starts his press conference by saying that even he thinks that Shogun won the fight then I am not really sure how anybody could say that Lyoto won for sure? The worst thing about the decision is that it was unanimous? Not even a split decision? There should be an immediate rematch.

Bad decision but it is not the end of the world. At least Shogun showed up with good cardio and looking back on form which is a good thing for the division.

[tripleA]

shogun should have won, but as the challenger he really had to dominate machida. think of it as other mr. olympias, it's hard to dethrone the champ since a lot of is subjective.

[Timbo89]

shogun clearly won. lyoto should feel like shit. i want my money back.

[tex]

shogun ftw.....and the other fight was bullshit as well....dana white says" that guy shouldnt even be allowed to watch mma" when talking about mazzagati....what a bullshit stoppage

[Praetorian]

That was probably one of the worst decisions ever in MMA. I truly hope this is not a foreshadow of what is to come within the UFC becuase if they go down this road MMA will be dead in 5 years...the same thing happened with boxing and I hope it doesnt happen with mma but what happened last night is a huge embarassment for Dana White and the UFC.
Shogun EASILY won 3 of the five rounds if not all of them...to give Machita the victory based on being the champ is ludicrous and you are disrespecting mma in its entirety.
I was ashamed to be a UFC fan last night!
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[champcar99]

i had no doubt that shogun won, when they annouce the winner I was shocked ..like WTF is going on here

[natenator]

I was none to impressed. I had $500 on shogun to win.

what a piss off that was! Piassed because of what I missed out on - not the $$ I lost as I wouldn't have bet it if I didn't have it to lose but jesus!

[cog]

Machida looked a little tired.Shogun didn't do any real damage.Ho hum.

[MMASTAR]

wow at 6-1 odds you would have won 3000$..

[MMASTAR]

Machida looked a little tired.Shogun didn't do any real damage.Ho hum.

shogun took machida out of his element thats why he was tired, and did you not see his rib cage? or his legs? that is damage.

[natenator]

Machida looked a little tired.Shogun didn't do any real damage.Ho hum.
no real damage? What kind of damage are you expecting? You can't go in there and bombs away against this guy. He doesn't deviate from his game plan so yours has to be better and more patient.

[JacktheThriller]

there was some damage both ways, machinda was never in a compromized position where he coundnt defend himself or shogun felt confident enough to run up on him. Meaning Machinda's counters were hurting him and he wanted no part in it. I'd say tie and tie goes to champ

[natenator]

there was some damage both ways, machinda was never in a compromized position where he coundnt defend himself or shogun felt confident enough to run up on him. Meaning Machinda's counters were hurting him and he wanted no part in it. I'd say tie and tie goes to champ
tie? are you ****ing blind?

[Varlover]

Shogun won that fight 5 rounds to 0. I could even buy 4 rounds to 1. Totally disgusted, this one is way worse than the Hammil/Bisping one. This fight wasnt even close.

[rated_rko]

I watched it free on my fta receiver. I feel shogun lost for sure.

your fta reciever is working mines been down for months since they changed it...how did u get urs up again?

[rated_rko]

btw shogun won that fight

[megwell]

what's an fta reciever?

[Redz]

Free to air receiver, You can get TV for free basically. Its actually not illegal unless you were to program the box. The government legally allows the box to be sold then charges taxes too gotta love it.

[guest]

i think anyone here believing machida won that fight has limited MMA knowledge and or experience. afterward you could see Dana telling shogun he won the fight, it looked like he said it twice in fact.

nice work california, back to vegas.

mazzagati's decision sucked balls too.

[Canadian Protein.com]

man I gotta watch this fight...missed it last night, but I want to see what all the controversy is all about!

[MMASTAR]

they dont call him early stopage steve for nothing..lol

[Mr.Freeze]

anybody has a link to the fight cuz mmatko doesnt work.

[cog]

shogun took machida out of his element thats why he was tired, and did you not see his rib cage? or his legs? that is damage.

I thought Machida looked off right from the start.I was suprised at the decision,Machida's body got beat,but Shogun never took him down or really hammered on his noggin.Like I said,ho hum.

[cog]

no real damage? What kind of damage are you expecting? You can't go in there and bombs away against this guy. He doesn't deviate from his game plan so yours has to be better and more patient.

The kind of damage if you could get your hands on one of the judges.Maybe for the rematch Machida will have some fire,I think he had the flu or something.

[MMASTAR]

I thought Machida looked off right from the start.I was suprised at the decision,Machida's body got beat,but Shogun never took him down or really hammered on his noggin.Like I said,ho hum.

if you thought it was ho hum its because you dont know enough about mma and were unable to understand what was going on..

[cog]

if you thought it was ho hum its because you dont know enough about mma and were unable to understand what was going on..

Yeah,well maybe if Shogun could have taken Machida down it wouldn't have been so ho hum.We weren't ringside...

[MMASTAR]

anybody has a link to the fight cuz mmatko doesnt work.

http://mmahits.com/fighters/mauricio-shogun-rua/ufc-104-lyoto-machida-vs-mauricio-shogun-rua-fight-video/

not great, let it load fully first then watch..

[Mr.Freeze]

http://mmahits.com/fighters/mauricio-shogun-rua/ufc-104-lyoto-machida-vs-mauricio-shogun-rua-fight-video/

not great, let it load fully first then watch..

Thank you

[guest]

I thought Machida looked off right from the start.I was suprised at the decision,Machida's body got beat,but Shogun never took him down or really hammered on his noggin.Like I said,ho hum.

have you sparred or fought full contact stand up before?

* i should add that i am not asking this in a snide manner, i'm just curious.

[JacktheThriller]

from what i recall, Shogun landed some great kicks but Machida would usually answer right back, Shogun did an excellent job at beating up Machida's legs which he was icing after the 1st btw, i think that Shogun did win but you can see where the judges were coming from, it was Machida pressing the big attacks (2 or more punches), but Shogun continuously scored leg kicks so it all depends. O well rematch on the way lets hope for some more combinations and fury KO, decisions are bullshit nyway

[cog]

have you sparred or fought full contact stand up before?

* i should add that i am not asking this in a snide manner, i'm just curious.

Yes I have sparred many times with a childhood friend of mine who got his pro card while training at the Frappeurs club,Ottawa or Hull,can't remember ,around1980.His first fight got cancelled and he needed to work,so no actual pro fights.My kid does MMA.What does it matter?He didn't do enough in the eyes of the judges.I thought maybe Machida had lost,but I wasn't ringside,were you?

[Danger]

I think shoguns big problem was all the failed take downs, when your strategy is single leg kicks and counters and you still cant take your opponent down it looks bad. I personally think Shogun should have taken it but I dont blame the judges for going the other way, he did alot of damage but really failed to capitailze on it.

[natenator]

I think shoguns big problem was all the failed take downs, when your strategy is single leg kicks and counters and you still cant take your opponent down it looks bad. I personally think Shogun should have taken it but I dont blame the judges for going the other way, he did alot of damage but really failed to capitailze on it.
that's NOT how scoring works!

[guest]

Yes I have sparred many times with a childhood friend of mine who got his pro card while training at the Frappeurs club,Ottawa or Hull,can't remember ,around1980.His first fight got cancelled and he needed to work,so no actual pro fights.My kid does MMA.What does it matter?He didn't do enough in the eyes of the judges.I thought maybe Machida had lost,but I wasn't ringside,were you?

do you think i was ring side?

if my question didnt matter why would it matter if your son does MMA? anyway, i asked because i had wondered if you had ever been tagged by a proper thai kick, one thrown with bad intentions .....and, no disrespect intended, i am doubting you have. i agree that 'hammering on noggins' makes for a great fight too but i thought there was a lot to be appreciated in that fight. i definitely didnt see it as 'ho hum'.

[natenator]

do you think i was ring side?

if my question didnt matter why would it matter if your son does MMA? anyway, i asked because i had wondered if you had ever been tagged by a proper thai kick, one thrown with bad intentions .....and, no disrespect intended, i am doubting you have. i agree that 'hammering on noggins' makes for a great fight too but i thought there was a lot to be appreciated in that fight. i definitely didnt see it as 'ho hum'.
me either. I found it quite technical and interesting to watch. Still pissed about losing out on $3K tho lol

[MMASTAR]

alot of strategy went into that fight and it paid off great, ive rewatched it and am still trying to figure out which fight the judges were watching.. couldnt have been the same one, they must have been old karate folk...or paid well

[lunkhead]

I agree-- I can't see how they scored that fight.... and I'm certifying to be a judge for an amateur MMA league here in BC!

Anyway-- 2 great, extremely skilled fighters. A joy to watch. Maybe Lyoto was not on his game and Shogun was. IMHO, neither should be ashamed. I think they put on a great performance.

[MacNasty]

Shogun outlanded Machida 89-50. 48 of shogun's strikes were leg kicks. Should make for an interesting rematch, maybe people will be a lot more fired up for this one. Seems like a lot of people had written Shogun off, maybe the judges bought into the Machida hype?

Great fight, I am just happy that Shogun is back on form. He is a really exciting fighter when he is on his game. Lyoto was dissappointing, he reminded me of his earlier UFC fights. This result should light a fire under both of their asses!

I also lost money due to Shogun losing... After this result I think the odds will be slightly closer next time. Shogun as a 6-1 dog was just too tempting to pass up.

[lunkhead]

as a physician and an MMA amateur, I have a strong interest in bringing the sport to the mainstream and to do that, safety needs to be paramount. Entertainment is way up there, too. However, for the sport to be sustainable in and outside the UFC, it has to be at least as safe as other contact sports like hockey and football.

MMA competitions are currently banned in Vancouver and Victoria (at least professional ones) because of a bunch of misconceptions and myths about the sport (more about that another time), particularly the safety issue. The result is that it gets pushed underground.

I'm putting together a review of the current research on the safety of combat sports in general and I've found some interesting stuff. One thing that strikes you when you look at the data is that athletes who tend to get very serious injuries and deaths from fighting are the HEAVYWEIGHTS. Repeated blunt trauma to the head by a heavyweight was the most common scenario seen prior to death in the ring due to boxing in over 1100 deaths in the past 100 years in North America. This is data from MMA specifically in the 2005 ed of Clin J Sport Med:

"Injury rates were 1.3 injuries per 100 minutes of competition in the lightweight category, 2.25 per 100 minutes of competition in the middleweight category, 30 per 100 minutes of competition in the heavyweight category"


Impressive, eh? Well, it makes sense when you think about the forces at play here and the fragility of the neural and vascular tissues that are subjected to the kinetic energy. Big guys brains are no tougher than little guys brains... but the forces they bear during a striking match are much higher.

IMHO, Steve M made the right call to stop the fight due to TKO in Shogun's match. It's the best call for the fighter's well being and the sport in general, particularly when you're dealing with heavyweight power of the caliber Valasquez can wield.

UFC already has had one death and even one more would embolden legislators and other anti-MMA idiots to take action. The other guy was clearly not intelligently defending himself and being utterly dominated at any rate.

[guest]

good points Lunk. i didnt consider that angle.

[cog]

do you think i was ring side?

if my question didnt matter why would it matter if your son does MMA? anyway, i asked because i had wondered if you had ever been tagged by a proper thai kick, one thrown with bad intentions .....and, no disrespect intended, i am doubting you have. i agree that 'hammering on noggins' makes for a great fight too but i thought there was a lot to be appreciated in that fight. i definitely didnt see it as 'ho hum'.

Nope,never been tagged with a heavy kick.My kid doesn't practice on me,he's too strong.:oYou didn't notice how quiet the crowd was?Rogen made a derogatory comment about them as well.Not a great fight,people want to see something more decisive than that performance.

[MMASTAR]

as a physician and an MMA amateur, I have a strong interest in bringing the sport to the mainstream and to do that, safety needs to be paramount. Entertainment is way up there, too. However, for the sport to be sustainable in and outside the UFC, it has to be at least as safe as other contact sports like hockey and football.

MMA competitions are currently banned in Vancouver and Victoria (at least professional ones) because of a bunch of misconceptions and myths about the sport (more about that another time), particularly the safety issue. The result is that it gets pushed underground.

I'm putting together a review of the current research on the safety of combat sports in general and I've found some interesting stuff. One thing that strikes you when you look at the data is that athletes who tend to get very serious injuries and deaths from fighting are the HEAVYWEIGHTS. Repeated blunt trauma to the head by a heavyweight was the most common scenario seen prior to death in the ring due to boxing in over 1100 deaths in the past 100 years in North America. This is data from MMA specifically in the 2005 ed of Clin J Sport Med:

"Injury rates were 1.3 injuries per 100 minutes of competition in the lightweight category, 2.25 per 100 minutes of competition in the middleweight category, 30 per 100 minutes of competition in the heavyweight category"


Impressive, eh? Well, it makes sense when you think about the forces at play here and the fragility of the neural and vascular tissues that are subjected to the kinetic energy. Big guys brains are no tougher than little guys brains... but the forces they bear during a striking match are much higher.

IMHO, Steve M made the right call to stop the fight due to TKO in Shogun's match. It's the best call for the fighter's well being and the sport in general, particularly when you're dealing with heavyweight power of the caliber Valasquez can wield.

UFC already has had one death and even one more would embolden legislators and other anti-MMA idiots to take action. The other guy was clearly not intelligently defending himself and being utterly dominated at any rate.

you mean the rothwell-velasquez fight, shoguns fight went to decision..

[PdH]

I watched the fight last night and I personally don't think Shogun got 'robbed'. He clearly won rounds 4 and 5, but the first three could have gone either way. He certainly didn't dominate the entire fight as some have suggested. Rematch should be good.

[Varlover]

as a physician and an MMA amateur, I have a strong interest in bringing the sport to the mainstream and to do that, safety needs to be paramount. Entertainment is way up there, too. However, for the sport to be sustainable in and outside the UFC, it has to be at least as safe as other contact sports like hockey and football.

MMA competitions are currently banned in Vancouver and Victoria (at least professional ones) because of a bunch of misconceptions and myths about the sport (more about that another time), particularly the safety issue. The result is that it gets pushed underground.

I'm putting together a review of the current research on the safety of combat sports in general and I've found some interesting stuff. One thing that strikes you when you look at the data is that athletes who tend to get very serious injuries and deaths from fighting are the HEAVYWEIGHTS. Repeated blunt trauma to the head by a heavyweight was the most common scenario seen prior to death in the ring due to boxing in over 1100 deaths in the past 100 years in North America. This is data from MMA specifically in the 2005 ed of Clin J Sport Med:

"Injury rates were 1.3 injuries per 100 minutes of competition in the lightweight category, 2.25 per 100 minutes of competition in the middleweight category, 30 per 100 minutes of competition in the heavyweight category"


Impressive, eh? Well, it makes sense when you think about the forces at play here and the fragility of the neural and vascular tissues that are subjected to the kinetic energy. Big guys brains are no tougher than little guys brains... but the forces they bear during a striking match are much higher.

IMHO, Steve M made the right call to stop the fight due to TKO in Shogun's match. It's the best call for the fighter's well being and the sport in general, particularly when you're dealing with heavyweight power of the caliber Valasquez can wield.

UFC already has had one death and even one more would embolden legislators and other anti-MMA idiots to take action. The other guy was clearly not intelligently defending himself and being utterly dominated at any rate.

There has never been a death in the UFC and only about 3-4 in MMA period. The thing with boxing is the prolonged head trauma. You get knocked down, you get to 10 to get back up and the trauma goes on. The 3 knockdown rule is good but a fighter can be dropped 5-6 times over the course of a boxing match and get up and the beating continues.

In MMA, a fighter gets dropped and hit 2-3 more times and the fight is over. I believe this is much safer even with the 4oz gloves.

[Monka]

All i gotta say, it was close, i also think shoguns shoulda took, but its in judges handes

[MMASTAR]

judges official score cards.. none of them even agreed on which rounds they both won...
http://www.mmaweekly.com/blog/uploaded_images/CompleteScorecard-719762.jpg

[Praetorian]

Heres the stats:

http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html

Shogun landed 82 strikes out of 149.
Lyoto landed 42 strikes out of 116.

Shogun had 55% accuracy
Lyoto had 36% accuracy

Shogun landed 17 shots to the head (12 power shots).
Lyoto landed 14 shots to the head (8 power shots).

Lyoto landed 24 shots to the body
Shogun landed 16 shots to the body

Shogun landed 49 leg kicks.
Lyoto landed 4 leg kicks.

Shogun landed 48 strikes from distance.
Lyoto landed 26 strikes from distance.

Shogun landed 34 strikes from the clinch.
Lyoto landed 16 strikes from the clinch.

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[cog]

So Machida attempted 49 power head shots and landed 8.Shogun attempted 31 power head shots and landed 12.My impression was that Machida landed the better quality head shots.

Machida attempted 35 power body shots and landed 23.Shogun attempted 29 power body shots and landed 16.Machida scored with those big knees.

Where Shogun spent too much time was long distance kicks and those tame clinch strikes...you have to finish fights.

[PdH]

You need to break the strikes down by rounds to appreciate their meaning.

[cog]

Apparently it didn't have much meaning as the judges disagreed amongst themselves.I'm merely pointing out what's obvious.Unless you can floor the opponent and finish him...

[PdH]

Two of the judges scored it exactly the same. I don't know which fight the third judge was watching to give the 4th round to Machida but he did. I personally agree with the judges that scored it the same. When I watch the fight it seems clear that Rua threw a majority of his strikes in the 4th and 5th. The first 3 were very close, thus they go to the champion by default.

[Andre]

I watched it free on my fta receiver. I feel shogun lost for sure.

I thought all the FTA stuff was down... what type are you using?

[guest]

i think some of you guys would be better off watching lopsided tough man events. i can see how that fight might be boring to someone that doesnt understand what is happening.

[cog]

i think some of you guys would be better off watching lopsided tough man events. i can see how that fight might be boring to someone that doesnt understand what is happening.

You're being a snob.The reason the UFC has become so popular is because of the diversity of styles.The judges have sent a message.Something like the one Mikey got here in Calgary a few years ago.:p

[guest]

You're being a snob.The reason the UFC has become so popular is because of the diversity of styles.The judges have sent a message.Something like the one Mikey got here in Calgary a few years ago.:p

:D xoxo.

if anything has changed since the UFC's inception it is a decrease in the diversity of styles and mismatching of skill, the playing field has become much more level. it has truly evolved into 'mixed martial arts', an art unto itself. that's why fights by tacticians like Silva and Lyoto can seem boring to the untrained eye and fighters like Tito, Gracie and Abbott are now obsolete.

i am confident anyone here with a modicum of MMA experience, especially muay thai, found that fight impressive. i dont mean to pick on anyone. i guess i just find it annoying, like when someone ignorant to AAS makes a remark about gear. so i apologize, i dont mean to be a snob.

[cog]

No need to apologize.Styles make fights.That one wasn't my cup of tea.

[PdH]

i am confident anyone here with a modicum of MMA experience, especially muay thai, found that fight impressive. i dont mean to pick on anyone. i guess i just find it annoying, like when someone ignorant to AAS makes a remark about gear. so i apologize, i dont mean to be a snob.

Dude, what are you all up in arms about? There are many varying opinions and from my experience in MA, those with the least experience are the ones who get all bent out of shape about other peoples' comments that don't coincide with their own.

[guest]

Dude, what are you all up in arms about? There are many varying opinions and from my experience in MA, those with the least experience are the ones who get all bent out of shape about other peoples' comments that don't coincide with their own.

wow. i certainly didnt mean to be all up in arms or get bent out of shape, i didnt think i was. perhaps my choice of words failed me. i realize there are varying opinions about everything in life, i even tried to make reference to it. as for my experience with MT....i believe i have more than average and thought i was entitled to give my opinion, that's all. sorry to have offended you.

[cog]

wow. i certainly didnt mean to be all up in arms or get bent out of shape, i didnt think i was. perhaps my choice of words failed me. i realize there are varying opinions about everything in life, i even tried to make reference to it. as for my experience with MT....i believe i have more than average and thought i was entitled to give my opinion, that's all. sorry to have offended you.

You must be good if you travel all the way to Thailand to get your ass kicked!

[PdH]

wow. i certainly didnt mean to be all up in arms or get bent out of shape, i didnt think i was. perhaps my choice of words failed me. i realize there are varying opinions about everything in life, i even tried to make reference to it. as for my experience with MT....i believe i have more than average and thought i was entitled to give my opinion, that's all. sorry to have offended you.

Perhaps my choice of words failed me as well.

[Chunk]

i don't know how many people still believe the "you have to beat the champ decisively" thing...but it's bullshit in my opinion.

once the cage door closes, it's just 2 guys...shouldn't matter which one is the champ, and that should in no way aid the judges in deciding which guy wins the fight.

machida only won 1 round in my opinion. shogun had the perfect game plan, and executed...the fact that he didn't knock machida out or submit him should have no bearing on who was awarded the decision.

by the way, i saw a lot of "you can't win with leg kicks" posts on other forums...can someone explain to me how the **** griffin beat rampage then?! if forrest beat rampage, shogun beat machida.

cecil peoples IS the russian judge! the fact that it was unanimous, though...is totally ****ed!

******admitted pride and shogun nut hugger! haha

the bigger problem is that now machida knows what to prepare for. if shogun has the same fight, he knows he's going to lose...but if he comes out guns blazing like he did in pride, he's gonna get ktfo like all the other guys machida dummied.

the way i see it, shogun deserves an immediate title rematch...but if they'd done the right thing and awarded shogun the match, machida is at least 2 wins away from a rematch. that my friends, was bullshit judging!

[cog]

Shogun deserves a rematch.But you can't win a war with a bombing campaign or long range artillery.You have to get in there on the ground.

[JacktheThriller]

i watched it again it looked like shogun hurt his hand near the beginning, PRESS CONFERENCE::: I trained doing 1000 kicks a day. Holy **** thats a lot of kicks

[guest]

Tito gives his opinion on the fight in this clip.

http://www.lowkick.com/UFC/MMA-Connected-Tito-Ortiz-talks-about-facing-Griffin

[MMASTAR]

and wanderlei here.... http://www.lowkick.com/UFC/Wanderlei-Silva-overview-on-UFC-104-Shogun-vs-Machida-Inside-W
seems everyone is pretty chocked about this decision..

[guest]

here's Dana's take. Joe Daddy gives his two cents too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWordv1gSos

[cog]

Machida has his work cut out for him.

[Praetorian]

Shogun won easily...even Dana White admitted he shoudl have won and hinted that changes to the judging are iminent Thats not even mentioning the majority of the people who witnessed the fight live or on PPV...an overwhelming majority...overwhelming to a frightening degree. The other fact people are missing is that previous to this figh now considered the worst travesty of judging in MMA was the Bisping Hamill fight...did you notice Cecil Peoples was judging both times...hmmm.
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[guest]

http://mmamania.com/2009/10/29/cecil-peoples-if-you-dont-like-the-way-i-scored-machida-vs-shogun-you-can-go-to-hell/


Cecil Peoples: If you don’t like the way I scored ‘Machida vs Shogun’ you can go to hell


Quoteworthy:

“The fans and all the naysayers, I don’t worry about. I don’t back down because it’s not popular. My thing is, Rua did hit him more. But Machida hit him harder, especially in the early rounds. I’m really perplexed about how you give (Rua) [Round 1], because Shogun was kicking (Machida) a lot in the legs, but every time he kicked him in the legs, he got hit in the face. Shogun would put his hand up, and Machida would go right through, sweat’s flying off (Rua’s) face. Shogun kicked (Machida) in the belly –- that’s how he got the red mark. But you gotta remember, Machida is stepping back, so when he gets kicked, he’s getting brushed. But he counters Shogun with a hard kick to the belly. Which one counts more for the exchange? I give it to the (second one), because it was harder. It wasn’t brushed. Machida was controlling that round because he was dominant in not getting beat up in that round. He was the general in that first round. I give the fight to Machida in a very, very close fight. Now you’re pissed off because it’s my fault that you lost your money. No, it’s not. It’s Machida’s fault. If you don’t like it, you can go to hell.”

Strong words from a defiant and oft-criticized scorekeeper, Cecil Peoples, who places emphasis on the quality of damage inflicted over the total number of strikes landed. Peoples came under fire along with Nelson Hamilton and Marcos Rosales at UFC 104 after awarding a unanimous decision to Lyoto Machida, who appeared to be on the receiving end of a Shogun beatdown in last Saturday’s (Oct. 24) main event. Is Peoples merely a victim of the system? Or a loose cannon with no understanding of what he’s seeing? And how do you respond to his “go to hell” attitude?

[Praetorian]

LOL thats classic Peoples....he needs to be removed from MMA permanently.
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[cog]

I already pointed out what Peoples said about quality.The same thing has happened in boxing countless times.Some challenger that can't score to the head doing endless half-assed body shots in the hope of racking up some points.Or the guy doing little slap punches.You score points but it's still a FIGHT.

[Praetorian]

You may have pointed it out but Peoples is wrong so the argument is moot. Anyone watching the fight could have easily mistaken Machida for a heavy bag...he took a beating for 5 rounds and was rewarded for it by horrible judging. I gaurantee you Machida was a complete mess the next day...while Shogun had nary a scratch.
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