H1N1 Vaccine. Will you take it?

[mayhem]

Just wanted to see how many of us will take the H1N1 vaccine or not.

[Shortdave]

Nope, I don't trust doctors

[Talo]

No

[kloan]

Never, not even if they payed me.

[faller]

Ditto, i'll take my chances.

[_Ragnar_]

I know a couple of people who have had it. They had a mild flu for about 36 hour then where fine.

[ubcpower]

I got it done yesterday. I was pretty high on the priority list because of my lowered immune system from my spring stint in the hospital...cant report any effects as of yet

[marino]

not a chance

[jsv22]

i work around a lot of people, i'll prob get it

[CanadianIron]

I dont think I will, I was... but when I concidered it, id actually rather get the flu and build my own immunity. That way if a mutated version comes back in a couple years and starts killing everyone off, I'll have a stronger immunity... I know its bro science, but I like the idea of building my own immunity to it.

[Mr Ontario]

Yup!

[Big D]

For real I think I have it right now. Ever since yesterday I've had a fever .do I ever feel like shit
I'll keep u guys posted .

[Big D]

For real I think I have it right now. Ever since yesterday I've had a fever .do I ever feel like shit
I'll keep u guys posted .

[BAM]

Never..

[Mr Ontario]

you making any chicken sounds as well :)


For real I think I have it right now. Ever since yesterday I've had a fever .do I ever feel like shit
I'll keep u guys posted .

[Redz]

I would have voted hell no but I voted no as that was the only viable option. There are very dangerous components in that vaccine. My doctor has advised not to get it and that she will not be getting it.

[jsv22]

dangerous components? most the components have been used for ages and the safety is pretty high

imo bad advice from your doctor

[BBbox]

It seems unnecessary... I know people who have had it and it was no big deal

[CanadianIron]

Heres a question for you guys...

Is it possible to interact with the virus, and never actually suffer from it while still building your immunity?

I just found out a good friend has it and we were together for a few hours including in a car when he was suffering from it. I didnt catch it from him, but I wonder if its possible to build immunity without even knowing it...

[GYMBRAT]

nope I wont, Ill take my chances as I always do for everything! Still kickin @ 100%

[Redz]

dangerous components? most the components have been used for ages and the safety is pretty high

imo bad advice from your doctor
Actually there are ingredients in the vaccine that are banned in some countries. Canada has a different version of the vaccine than the US. Also you are blindly taking something with no history or time to test. There was also a study in Canada that showed people who take the normal fluy vaccines are twice as likely to contract the swine flu. Those vaccines are not only dangerous but highly un-necessary. A 13 year old girl in the UK died hours after taking an HPV vaccine. We need to think more before subjecting ourselves to un-tested substances that could cause death, birth defects or who knows what. You my friend are blind to the facts.

[Redz]

Here is a small piece of an ariticle to back up my opinion....


While the media has alluded to the new H1NI vaccine containing a novel adjuvant, very little information about this new vaccine ingredient has leaked out. Certainly nothing about AS03’s potential for harm has been disclosed by health officials.(8) Adding insult to injury, the HIN1 vaccine also contains thimerosal, the neurotoxic mercury based preservative. (21)

Several experimental pandemic vaccines containing squalene adjuvants are being unleashed on populations around the world at this time. AS03 and MF59 are patented adjuvants being used by some of the companies contracted to make the swine flu vaccines. (19) MF59 and ASO3, contain squalene which has been repeatedly linked in the medical literature to cause serious autoimmune problems, and even more research links Gulf War Syndrome in soldiers to squalene based adjuvants in anthrax vaccine. (9,10,11,13)

[natenator]

Here is a small piece of an ariticle to back up my opinion....
Pretty useless to post part of the study nor where said study originated.

Your also the guy who said this (but failed to back up your "opinion"):


Studies have shown there is no benefit to going over 500iu twice per week. 500iu is just a waste and definitely can trigger sides like shut down or gyno.

[Redz]

one sec heres the rest......

http://vran.org/in-the-news/swine-flu-vaccine-a-public-health-experiment/


Think what you want I wont touch that shit just like most smart people which is the majority of Canadians.

As for the HCG thing I will have to do some digging......

[Andre]

I am afraid of needles :)

[Redz]

In the world of performance enhancing drugs, hCG is increasingly used in combination with various anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) cycles. As a result, hCG is included in some sports' illegal drug lists.

When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA). This causes testicular atrophy, among other things. hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as normal testosterone production.

High levels of AASs that mimic the body's natural testosterone trigger, the hypothalamus, to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone. In males, hCG helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes by mimicking LH and triggering the production and release of testosterone.

If hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.

thats from wilkopedia but I`m sure I have seen a better article with more precise figures. I will keep trying to find it.

[nisser]

Here is a small piece of an ariticle to back up my opinion....

Horseshit. GSK has used AS03 for years now.

It's all ****ing bullshit. Take the vaccine.

[kloan]

Horseshit. GSK has used AS03 for years now.

It's all ****ing bullshit. Take the vaccine.

How many years? 10, 15? How long is long enough to know the long term health risks?
What's your motivation for saying it's all bullshit? How do you know?

Aside from the ingredients in the vaccine, there's also the risk of becoming dependent on vaccines and not allowing our immune systems to build it's own defenses against infectious diseases. People are becoming more and more reliant on these vaccines and when the shit really hits the fan, people are going to be ****ed.

It's not bullshit. Don't take the vaccine.

[guest]

Adding insult to injury, the HIN1 vaccine also contains thimerosal, the neurotoxic mercury based preservative.

that was an ingredient in many injectable suspensions(test, winny). i wonder how picky they are being.....like getting mercury poisoning from eating a tin of tuna.

......and now first nations are considered high priority for the shot?

[Redz]

Aside from the ingredients in the vaccine, there's also the risk of becoming dependent on vaccines and not allowing our immune systems to build it's own defenses against infectious diseases. People are becoming more and more reliant on these vaccines and when the shit really hits the fan, people are going to be ****ed.

It's not bullshit. Don't take the vaccine. I`m with you on this, the biggest risk is damaging the immune system to the degree that a more serious strain of the virus may kill you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but as stated by others this is an un-tested rush to market vaccine why be the guinnea pig?

[theboss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM&feature=player_embedded

[BAM]

brutal man.. brutal

[nisser]

How many years? 10, 15? How long is long enough to know the long term health risks?
What's your motivation for saying it's all bullshit? How do you know?

Aside from the ingredients in the vaccine, there's also the risk of becoming dependent on vaccines and not allowing our immune systems to build it's own defenses against infectious diseases. People are becoming more and more reliant on these vaccines and when the shit really hits the fan, people are going to be ****ed.

It's not bullshit. Don't take the vaccine.

It's all bullshit and they prey on people like you to propagate it.

Becoming dependent on vaccines? Do you know how vaccines work, at all? The crazy conspiracy theorists out there count on people like you that don't. A vaccine introduces an antigen (a dead virus) that your own body uses on it's own to build antibodies against - ie. your immune system is doing all the work.

There's literally no difference between getting the immunity from a vaccine and getting the virus from someone else. The only difference is that one of those is going to make you VERY sick and contagious.

[Redz]

There's literally no difference between getting the immunity from a vaccine and getting the virus from someone else. The only difference is that one of those is going to make you VERY sick and contagious.
Fighting off the dead form is not the same as fighting off the live form of a virus. Again believe what you want I am not a lab expirament. You can be if you want.

[BenT]

Heres a question for you guys...

Is it possible to interact with the virus, and never actually suffer from it while still building your immunity?

I just found out a good friend has it and we were together for a few hours including in a car when he was suffering from it. I didnt catch it from him, but I wonder if its possible to build immunity without even knowing it...

You didn't get it because the virus never entered your airway. You have no immunity to it. However, if your friend was gay, you may now be gay too.

[Mr Ontario]

takes a 2-3 days to kick in :)


You didn't get it because the virus never entered your airway. You have no immunity to it. However, if your friend was gay, you may now be gay too.

[CanadianIron]

You didn't get it because the virus never entered your airway. You have no immunity to it. However, if your friend was gay, you may now be gay too.

So if even the smallest amount of the virus enters you body, you WILL get it bad? Theres no way of fighting it off, even if your getting tons of sleep and you're super healthy and on a cycle?

[Knuckles28]

yes i'm getting it so are my kids,14,12,and 2.5 years old.
I see what people are saying about it, but i have yet too see any reason not to get it. I have friends in the states who have already had the shot with no issues.
This thing about it not have any long term studies is BS, alot of perscription meds have had no long term studies done on them until the generall public takes them.. A very small percentage will see sides from it.
I find it hillarious guys here wont get the vaccine but will inject themselves with some bath tub gear that their "buddy" said is great gear hahaa... you think the ugl's are doing long term studies???
So tell me this, when you have children will you refuse to have them vaccinated with all the normal ones kids get?? My daughter 14got the HPV vaccine, she didnt die.. People need to stop believing everything they see on the internet and christ someone actually QUOTED wikepedia wtf rofl!!!!!!!

[JacktheThriller]

its just a FLU not airborne AIDs lets get real if a flu can compromise your immune system you should get it otherwise its just a flu it will enter your immune system and leave bruised and bleeding from the asshole

[nisser]

Fighting off the dead form is not the same as fighting off the live form of a virus. Again believe what you want I am not a lab expirament. You can be if you want.

It's exactly the same. The same antigen is presented to the immune system. That is the entire principle under which vaccination works.

[Redz]

My daughter 14got the HPV vaccine, she didnt die..But a girl did die from the HPV vaccine no one is saying everyone will die. If anyone is diying from these vaccines they arent worth while imo.

[kloan]

yes i'm getting it so are my kids,14,12,and 2.5 years old.
I see what people are saying about it, but i have yet too see any reason not to get it. I have friends in the states who have already had the shot with no issues.
This thing about it not have any long term studies is BS, alot of perscription meds have had no long term studies done on them until the generall public takes them.. A very small percentage will see sides from it.
I find it hillarious guys here wont get the vaccine but will inject themselves with some bath tub gear that their "buddy" said is great gear hahaa... you think the ugl's are doing long term studies???
So tell me this, when you have children will you refuse to have them vaccinated with all the normal ones kids get?? My daughter 14got the HPV vaccine, she didnt die.. People need to stop believing everything they see on the internet and christ someone actually QUOTED wikepedia wtf rofl!!!!!!!

right, i'm already stickin myself with shit i hope is safe.. which is probably contaminated with heavy metals or some other crap. so where's the logic in saying well im already taking this, so why not take that as well? pardon me while i try to limit the amount of unknowns i put in my body.

im already taking a big risk using gear, id rather not take shit that has the potential to cause me more harm later down the road. im not saying it WILL, but there is always the chance for it. prescription meds are just as much of a gamble when you're messing with body chemistry. who says scripts are safe either. it's all an unknown because none of this shit has been tested long term. taking more and more things just creates the possibility of a toxic stew in your body.

but by all means, vaccinate your kiddies.. keep them safe from the big scary viruses. better that than you know, teaching them about proper diet and nutrition and keeping their immune systems strong enough to fight this stuff on their own.

[CanadianIron]

Theres no point arguing about it, the OP simply wanted a sample of how many people would or would not get vaccinated... its like religion no one is going to be able to convince anyone of anything because no one can prove what the vaccine may or may not do to people in 20+ years.

Go with your gut, let us know what you're doing. Don't bother arguing, its pointless.

[kloan]

. taken

[steve_d]

im already taking a big risk using gear, id rather not take shit that has the potential to cause me more harm later down the road. im not saying it WILL, but there is always the chance for it.

The only problem with that logic is that the risk in gear is a million times more risky then the risk of an h1n1 vaccine. And the risk of gear is fairly small, so what is small divided by a million?

I won't take the vaccine, but it isn't because I am scared of the risk. I already had h1n1, and it wasn't fun.

[nisser]

Keep in mind that if the flu hits you and not in a mild way, you could lose weeks of training time and potentially a years worth of training progress. Is it really worth it? And getting it isn't that unlikely. ex. What if an asshole spreads it to the gym fountain and you take a drink after him? Well you just contracted it, have fun not having any energy and not being able to get any food down for 1-2 weeks.

Knucles put it into perspective very well; gear you all inject is wildly more toxic than a vaccine, yet we all do it.

[Redz]

gear you all inject is wildly more toxic than a vaccineI dont think there is much foundation to that statement.

[nisser]

Things that injecting UGL gear can give you:

1) abscesses
2) depression
3) ED
4) Low libido
5) acne
6) hair growth
7) hair loss
8) testicular atrophy
9) screw up your lipids
10) give rise to prostate problems



Things that injecting vaccines can give you:

1) body aches and tiredness that disappears after 48 hours
2) some random, unproven and correlated sympotms that have very weak causative links to the actual vaccine that are also incredible rare


Seriously? Are you seriously going to argue over this? You're wrong.

[Redz]

Seriously? Are you seriously going to argue over this? You're wrong.

You do not know the long term side effects of the vaccine.
Further more I have never heard of someone being killed within hours of a steroid dose yet vaccines can kill. You can also get an abcess from any injection in theory. There are also many many positive side effects from steroids that youa re over looking. Also most of the steroid sides you mentioned are not permanent. As others stated we are not going to change each others minds but there has to be a good reason most people wont take the vaccine.

[CanadianIron]

If 10 million Canadians took injectable steroids, some would probably die right away... they expect over 10 million Canadians to take the vaccine, and I imagine less than a handful will die from it. Gear is definately more dangerous.. regardless, i still wouldnt take the vaccine, i know people who have had the H1 and they were over it in a couple days.

[steve_d]

As others stated we are not going to change each others minds but there has to be a good reason most people wont take the vaccine.

Because those people are uneducated about the vaccine. And those who think they are, are mainly brainwashed by the media into thinking the vaccine is "going to kill me" or will somehow harm them "down the road"...

Are you just arguing about it for the sake of arguing about it, or do you truly fear the vaccine? There are scarier things that people do on a day to day basis. By the same logic of the risk from a vaccine, you may as well not leave your house.

How many people who are scared of the vaccine use your cell phone while driving?

[lunkhead]

It's all calculated risk. You take a much higher risk than any known vaccine by getting in the car to drive to the gym. You do it anyway because you're desensitized to the risk.

The track record for vaccines of all types is pretty good. There has NEVER been a proper RCT demonstrating a vaccine with an adverse risk:benefit ratio.

1/3 of the populace will probable get H1N1 associated disease, based on the New Zealand/Australia experience. Of these, 1 in 10,000 previously healthy individuals born BEFORE 1957 will become critically ill and 1/5 of those will die.

Is there a net benefit of getting the vaccine? Yep, particularly if you have special risk factors-- morbid obesity, immunocompromise, being pregnant etc.

When the vaccine comes out next week out here in BC, I'll be in line with my arm out....

[tex]

well put lunkhead...and you're an MD if I remember correctly....

[Redz]

Because those people are uneducated about the vaccine. And those who think they are, are mainly brainwashed by the media into thinking the vaccine is "going to kill me" or will somehow harm them "down the road"...

Are you just arguing about it for the sake of arguing about it, or do you truly fear the vaccine? There are scarier things that people do on a day to day basis. By the same logic of the risk from a vaccine, you may as well not leave your house.

How many people who are scared of the vaccine use your cell phone while driving? And you know what the vaccine will do in 20+ years how?

[faller]

Our gym has 6 girls that work behind the desk, 5 get the flu shot every year thier reasoning is they work with a lot of people. The 5 that got the shot at some point dureing the winter got very sick, the one girl that didn't get the shot did not get sick..

Not science i know, just saying..

[guest]

Our gym has 6 girls that work behind the desk, 5 get the flu shot every year thier reasoning is they work with a lot of people. The 5 that got the shot at some point dureing the winter got very sick, the one girl that didn't get the shot did not get sick..

Not science i know, just saying..

just imagine what would have happened to them if they hadn't taken the shot!;) lol.

shmee shmo, imma get that shot.

[lunkhead]

Right now, in Victoria BC, I'm admitting 1-2 patients every day with H1N1 associated ARDS needing to go on hardcore life support. The all have been 20-40 years of age and 2/3rds of them were perfectly healthy and fit before they contracted H1N1. One 28 year old girl has died and all the remainder are still on life support 6 weeks later. So, yes, these people are just like you and it can happen to you to no matter how careful your diet is and how much you work out.

In my medical career (I'm a intensive care specialist) which has now spanned 21 years (:shock oh shit, I'm getting old!!!!) I have never once, ever seen a complication of a vaccine landing in the ICU. Never. Ever. Sure, it happens. But it's very, very, very rare. I see rare stuff all the time too.

So... it's a choice between the hypothetical unknown effects down the line 20 years from now (albeit this has never been shown for any existing vaccine over the last 100 years) and the very tangible near term risks of a neanderthal like me shoving a big plastic tube down your throat, another couple into your heart (central lines and a dialysis catheter) and a couple more in between your ribs (they usually develop pneumothoraces and need chest tubes) after I cut you open while you stay in the ICU as my guest for at least 6 weeks. And don't forget the funeral costs if your the 1 in 5 who "graduate".

It's an easy choice, really :-)

[guest]

Right now, in Victoria BC, I'm admitting 1-2 patients every day with H1N1 associated ARDS needing to go on hardcore life support. The all have been 20-40 years of age and 2/3rds of them were perfectly healthy and fit before they contracted H1N1. One 28 year old girl has died and all the remainder are still on life support 6 weeks later. So, yes, these people are just like you and it can happen to you to no matter how careful your diet is and how much you work out.

In my medical career (I'm a intensive care specialist) which has now spanned 21 years (:shock oh shit, I'm getting old!!!!) I have never once, ever seen a complication of a vaccine landing in the ICU. Never. Ever. Sure, it happens. But it's very, very, very rare. I see rare stuff all the time too.

So... it's a choice between the hypothetical unknown effects down the line 20 years from now (albeit this has never been shown for any existing vaccine over the last 100 years) and the very tangible near term risks of a neanderthal like me shoving a big plastic tube down your throat, another couple into your heart (central lines and a dialysis catheter) and a couple more in between your ribs (they usually develop pneumothoraces and need chest tubes) after I cut you open while you stay in the ICU as my guest for at least 6 weeks. And don't forget the funeral costs if your the 1 in 5 who "graduate".

It's an easy choice, really :-)

but that's not what wikipedia says.......lol.
**** that is scary and way too close to home.

[BAM]

Sorry, but I do not trust the government. I will not be taking their mystery brew.



They could someday if not already manipulate the masses by covertly inserting other things into the flu shot.

They want to give this vaccine to our pregnant women first.. wtf?

Drag a Rabbi down to the doctors office and see if he takes one. (*the one they were about to stick in your arm)

Besides that.. the medical community essentially stumbles around using us as guinee pigs for long term testing and then when something
is discovered that is wrong.. you know.. flipper babies and such.. they say " oops.. my bad" and nothing happens to them because it was so long ago
when they raped your body with their experiment, they old bastards that were in charge have already died.

Phhhfft.. That pharamceutical company that makes the vaccine is probably who created h1n1 in the first place.

Its bad enough we let them inject our babies without question.. Could the explosion of homosexuality and gender confusion be related to somthing they are injecting our children with? who knows.

[CanadianIron]

Right now, in Victoria BC, I'm admitting 1-2 patients every day with H1N1 associated ARDS needing to go on hardcore life support. The all have been 20-40 years of age and 2/3rds of them were perfectly healthy and fit before they contracted H1N1. One 28 year old girl has died and all the remainder are still on life support 6 weeks later. So, yes, these people are just like you and it can happen to you to no matter how careful your diet is and how much you work out.

In my medical career (I'm a intensive care specialist) which has now spanned 21 years (:shock oh shit, I'm getting old!!!!) I have never once, ever seen a complication of a vaccine landing in the ICU. Never. Ever. Sure, it happens. But it's very, very, very rare. I see rare stuff all the time too.

So... it's a choice between the hypothetical unknown effects down the line 20 years from now (albeit this has never been shown for any existing vaccine over the last 100 years) and the very tangible near term risks of a neanderthal like me shoving a big plastic tube down your throat, another couple into your heart (central lines and a dialysis catheter) and a couple more in between your ribs (they usually develop pneumothoraces and need chest tubes) after I cut you open while you stay in the ICU as my guest for at least 6 weeks. And don't forget the funeral costs if your the 1 in 5 who "graduate".

It's an easy choice, really :-)


Yikes. Maybe I will get vaccinated after all... tubes in chest... no thanks.

[Knuckles28]

Knucles put it into perspective very well; gear you all inject is wildly more toxic than a vaccine, yet we all do it.

Thank you. Really that was my point. Take the vaccine or not i could care less not trying to sound ignorant but reading typing make it seem that way sometimes, redz read your post again please you may see something. BTW ug gear gives me unreal acne hg gear didnt. just my 2 cents on that :ne
I've seen Lunkhead around for years (knuckles28 new handle)and i respect his advice and wisdom greatly on these subjects..

[RagingRandy]

I believe the number of deaths in Canada from H1N1 is 86 to-date. The seasonal flu death toll is in the thousands. H1N1 is hype and hysteria.

[fitfanatik]

I would have voted hell no but I voted no as that was the only viable option. There are very dangerous components in that vaccine. My doctor has advised not to get it and that she will not be getting it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yURXZKry-I

[faller]

I believe the number of deaths in Canada from H1N1 is 86 to-date. The seasonal flu death toll is in the thousands. H1N1 is hype and hysteria.

Exactly! Every new virus, bug, germ whatever is hyped up by the Gov. Next year we'll have something far worse to "fear" i'm sure... *Have to spread the green around*..

[rubarb]

I'm going to go for it and also get my kids done It could be get the illness in 20days and die or suffer from a side effect in years to come, I honestly dont want to see this trash of a illness get the best of my kids. And for my self I will get it to.

My uncle has had it and was very ill for almost 2 weeks having to quarantine himself inside his own house, and he said this is the first flew/cold in about 3 years he has had.

To be honest with everyone I think this is an act of terrorism! Just wait and see!

[BAM]

^^So the government is behind it like 911?

[hommes]

scary shit, but i choose not to take the shot.

[hommes]

**** h1n1, stupid ass killing disease. send it to china where it is cleary overpoppulated. leave us alone.

[kloan]

^^So the government is behind it like 911?

someone's behind it.. this shit is engineered.

[hommes]

everyone should watch the video on youtube

[faller]

everyone should watch the video on youtube

Not a chance, last time i did that here it fried my hard drive...

[CanadianIron]

everyone should watch the video on youtube

If they cut out the drama, the video might have some swing, however, the stupid music and graphics that keep popping up lend themselves to the fact that the video is just trying to be sensational.

[Knuckles28]

The video certainly makes you think twice, im not against the vaccine at all as im sure you may have noticed.
they dont show the positive stuff vaccine's have done, polio is now only a 3rd world problem etc... They mention Thimerasol(sp?) and autisim, they seem to get all their evidence from the 1% of the population that is affected by the vaccine's, The percentage is merely a guess...
I was vaccinated with alot of shit when i went through basic training and made too drink some nasty shit, with no consent of my own i followed a line stood on the foot prints while 2 seperate medics injected each shoulder... i'm still kicking.
Show the positive with with the negative i say.. who is sponsoring these very elaboartly produced video's. Possibly the same organizations that post 9/11 theories and "the obama deception" i assume.
Are these "viruses" engineered, **** who knows but i do believe they are. Do i think Harper is trying to thin out the population?? **** no to much taxes for his greedy ass too lose.

[Mr Ontario]

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=22415078

[CanadianIron]

You really have to wonder if all these healthy young people are really dying FROM the virus...

How many of them were trying to run around the block and trying to work through their symptoms... apparently the reason these people are dying is because they're getting neumonia at the same time because of a weakened immune system.. if you were like me and you were allergic to penacilin and didnt know it, you could easily die when being treated.

Im still not seeing the "pandemic" that everyone is talking about, looks to me like everyone getting it, is getting better... 1000 people in the states have died.. out of 300,000,000 thats not very many.

[waderow]

You really have to wonder if all these healthy young people are really dying FROM the virus...

How many of them were trying to run around the block and trying to work through their symptoms... apparently the reason these people are dying is because they're getting neumonia at the same time because of a weakened immune system.. if you were like me and you were allergic to penacilin and didnt know it, you could easily die when being treated.

Im still not seeing the "pandemic" that everyone is talking about, looks to me like everyone getting it, is getting better... 1000 people in the states have died.. out of 300,000,000 thats not very many.

some predict 60% infection rate this winter

[CanadianIron]

So worst case scenario... MAYBE 100,000 die... still not very many... even if 1,000,000 americans died, thats only 1/3 of a percent if they told me they expected a quarter of the population to die, id probably get vaccinated.

[Solo59]

I just don't understand why otherwise sensible people would refuse a sensible vaccination. My lady & her daughter are amongst them, but it still seems ignorance is the biggest cause of their fear. When push comes to shove, I'll put my trust in science and not in paranoia. Science has been good to my body, so I don't see why it shouldn't continue doing so. If it's possible, I'll get it done, but I've already had a queasy stomach for the past week.

Solo

[faller]

Because most sensible people do NOT trust Gov. or any of it's agencies.. Look at what they do to reafirm the fear factor, "1/3 of the population..."experts predict 60%...." They have no idea what the numbers will be, they just know that in order to keep people in line the numbers have to big. The scary thing is when the real pandemic does show up most of us will call bullshit again,,, and die. ****er's!!

[Redz]

I just don't understand why otherwise sensible people would refuse a sensible vaccination.You do realise that there have been other vaccines in the past rushed to production that killed people right?

[fitfanatik]

You do realise that there have been other vaccines in the past rushed to production that killed people right?

Here's a vid for ya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TdSp3hyuHk

Vaccine Nation Director's Cut Part 1 of 10

"At the end of the eighteenth century, British physician Edward Jenner, with highly questionable medical credentials, initiated the theory and practice of live virus immunization that continues to serve as the scientific basis for the ever increasing vaccination of the worlds citizens. With the number of vaccinations given to infants and children rising, kids are receiving doses of toxic mercury and other heavy metals well above environmental safety levels.

Yet the medical evidence is clear. Mercury, known as thimerosal, and other heavy metal additives are highly toxic and threaten children with neurological damage. The long-term efficacy of global vaccination remains controversial, inconclusive and is suspect in light of the powerful corporate interests, lobbying efforts, and profits associated with a multi-billion dollar vaccine industry..

In his documentary film Vaccine Nation, award-winning investigative film director Dr. Gary Null challenges the basic health claims by government health agencies and pharmaceutical firms that vaccines are perfectly safe. This is one of the most critical questions facing todays children and future generations to come. If inoculation with a large regimen of vaccines is safe, what can account for the rapid increase in autism and other mental disabilities that are now at epidemic proportions? And why isnt the sudden onset of neurological illnesses in children being treated as an urgent crisis by our government and medical industries?

Weaving together interviews with many of the nations most expert medical researchers, private physicians specializing in autism, parents of children victimized by immunization, congressmen, vaccination activists, legal authorities and more, Vaccine Nation will awaken viewers to one of the continual perils to the health and future of children.


http://www.vaccinenation.net/

Special Thanks:

Gary Null - www,garynull.com "

[CanadianIron]

They're emphasizing that this vaccine does not contain any mercury at all though...

[Talo]

I'm going to get tested tonight . Feeling like shit ! My symptoms are :

Small fever
Fatigue
Muscle aches
Sore throat
Headache
Decreased appetite

Hopefully it's not that big of a deal , but I have history of pneumonia. So best get checked out.

[69challenger]

Good luck Talo. Hope you feel better soon...

[waderow]

I'm going to get tested tonight . Feeling like shit ! My symptoms are :

Small fever
Fatigue
Muscle aches
Sore throat
Headache
Decreased appetite

Hopefully it's not that big of a deal , but I have history of pneumonia. So best get checked out.

bad coughing is the main symptom I understand which separates it from common influenza

[fitfanatik]

Hopefully it's not that big of a deal , but I have history of pneumonia. So best get checked out.

Here's some info on natural remedies. Info session starts @ 2:20.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqMugtVojqk

[Talo]

Thanks.

I was on a few different things a few weeks ago to get rid of my pneumonia which seemed to help while I was on them. The cough is still there.

[Winnipeg Muscle]

Hi all, just wanted to say that I am disturbed that there are still so many fears, inaccurate information and distrust from people about getting the H1N1 shot. I work in health care and one point I wanted to make is that I too am not a real proponent for the flu shot but this influenza strain is different, much different and if you don't get the vaccine for yourself, get it for others, like you kids, or your friends or family. It would be hard times if I was to give H1N1 to my kids and they became critical ill or even died. Suck it up and believe and trust in the professionals and get your shot. Add some Tren if it makes you feel better. LOL

:D

[faller]

If i don't trust the "professionals" to give me a shot i sure ain't going to give it to my kids. They have only themselves to blame for the miss trust, they've cried wolf so often for so many years that i don't even bother listening to them anymore. I'm not concerned about the contents of the vaccine i just think it's blown way out of proportion, again.

[waderow]

Hi all, just wanted to say that I am disturbed that there are still so many fears, inaccurate information and distrust from people about getting the H1N1 shot. I work in health care and one point I wanted to make is that I too am not a real proponent for the flu shot but this influenza strain is different, much different and if you don't get the vaccine for yourself, get it for others, like you kids, or your friends or family. It would be hard times if I was to give H1N1 to my kids and they became critical ill or even died. Suck it up and believe and trust in the professionals and get your shot. Add some Tren if it makes you feel better. LOL

:D

many people in health care are avoiding the shot like the plague too

[Winnipeg Muscle]

Not in our facility...we gave 2000 shots in two days this week and ran out...and am quite sure we will do another 2000-3000 next week...most heath care professionals have enough information to realize that H1N1 is a different beast and the very nature of the industry is to look out for others, so most get the shot to be sure they don't get it and pass it on to other patients, family or friends.

[waderow]

and most healthcare professionals realize that this is a knee jerk reaction at this juncture, and the vaccine or situation has not been given enough time or thought to come to a solid conclusion.

[Talo]

Here they had 700 people get it and ran out. We're in a small town too.

FEAR is driving this big time.

[Scaffer]

I took the shot last night at work(MGH),they say it takes 2 weeks for it to become effective,its kinda mandatory for me cause I come in contact with alot of people.

This morning my shoulder is shit! was suppose to go to the gym but...i dont see myself snatching and doing my usual lift with a sore,very sore shoulder!

[Winnipeg Muscle]

and most healthcare professionals realize that this is a knee jerk reaction at this juncture, and the vaccine or situation has not been given enough time or thought to come to a solid conclusion.

WRONG.

[faller]

WRONG.

A compelling argument.

[nitrous]

no chance i'm getting that shot..

[kloan]

A compelling argument.
hahahaha.....

[CanadianIron]

I also LOL'd.

[waderow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCpx6NHxKH8

[metalman]

Ill be getting it if the line ever dies down

[BAM]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/25191

[Danger]

Step 1 Flu shots

Step 2 Take over the WORLD!

[BAM]

I think you mean..

1. release modified swine flu

2. insight panic

3. pretend there is a shorage of vaccine to accelerate the frenzy

4. target the children and pregnant women

5. Cull the herd and blame it on mother nature

[faller]

3. pretend there is a shorage of vaccine to accelerate the frenzy


I just came from downtown and walked by the news stand and there in bold head lines "shortage" my wife and i just laughed!

[CanadianIron]

The media creates the fear, just so they can report on it and sell their media bullshit line... I dont think the swine flu is nearly as bad as anyone thinks, i heard someone reporting on the stats of this flu vs the regular seasonal flu, this one is marginally worse.

A week ago they make it sound like you'll die if you get it and you need to get vaccinated. Then they report on how there is a shortage and people need to be patient and let other people go first. No one wants to recognize that even if you get it, you have a 99.9% chance of being absolutely fine after a few days.

Its a ploy to sell papers and ad space during the news hour.

[GYMBRAT]

its all about the gov and makin moola boys and girls!!!!

[saab]

i think this is just all blown out of proportion.

[Talo]

its all about the gov and makin moola boys and girls!!!!

They're not charging us for this shot.

[faller]

My wife has to pay for it, wtf?? But seriously there's no such thing as we're not paying for it. The pharm. company's aren't doing this pro bono. You know how it works here in Canada...

[Talo]

Sure the pharm company's are making money , but I don't see how the government is making money since they're the one's paying for the drug ...

WHy would your wife have to pay for it ? I've never heard of anyone having to pay for any shot.

[GYMBRAT]

they shut all the inj. stations down as of yesterday huh, must have made enough money for retirement already ;)

[Talo]

LOL . Still have it here ( all week ).

[faller]

Sure the pharm company's are making money , but I don't see how the government is making money since they're the one's paying for the drug ...

WHy would your wife have to pay for it ? I've never heard of anyone having to pay for any shot.

We are the gov..... So you still pay for it... Beside's, the Gov. is in the parm. industry's pocket anyway.

About paying for the shots, i think it's 20$ for the regular flu shot and 10$ for the H1N1. As far as i know everyone i know of is paying that.. I'm not sure but does it matter if you're in the high risk catagory?? High risk free, low risk pay??

[GYMBRAT]

LOL . Still have it here ( all week ).

really, cool I just heard it on the news yesterday that they were shutting'em down, ah well too l8 for me anyhoo LOL

[faller]

I just read in the paper that this is being implamented in stages, first the high risk, rural area's and first nations. Than somewhere around mid Nov. another phase will start up.

[CanadianIron]

They said it could take as long as christmas before everyone who wants a vaccine can get one...

[pseclint]

I dunno if I already had it, I went to mexico for spring break last year and when I came back I had a bad flu, couldnt move off the couch, disoriented, no appetite, sweating terribly all the time, but no cough........ it wasnt from the food or any STD's either lol

[Winnipeg Muscle]

This is a very interesting thread, its amazing what you can learn form these kinds of forums, similarly overheard an H1N1 conversation at dinner the other day... so many opinions with so little facts, but you can't blame us, we are so entrenched with the propaganda the media spews its sad really.

A few weeks back we heard a our Executive VP and acting Physician speak about what he has seen and many of his colleagues have seen with the effects of H1NI, his words were, "this influenza attacks the respiratory system like no other influenza has in the past 20years." He went on to say he has never been proponent for the flu shot but is absolutely going to get the H1N1 vaccine based solely on the symptoms and effect this strain is having on people. Like I said, everyone has a choice here but hopefully if you choose not to get the shot you don't get the virus and secondly and more importantly imo is you don't get the virus and pass it on to someone you care about.

[Winnipeg Muscle]

A compelling argument.

Sorry didn't have time to provide ta detailed argument... :beat

[faller]

Sorry didn't have time to provide ta detailed argument... :beat

I figured as much. I was just haveing fun with ya bro. :D

[Winnipeg Muscle]

I figured as much. I was just haveing fun with ya bro. :D

:beer

[CanadianIron]

Watched an interesting special about the vaccine on "16:9" last night, Im thinking if I dont get the flu before its available, ill probably get the vaccine. When you concider the 20+ vaccines most people have already recieved no problem, its unlikely this will hurt you. Not to mention you trust UGL gear more than a vaccine a couple hundred million people will take in the next little while.

[Jeff Vanco]

Normally I would say NO WAY

However, I'm battling lyme disease (stupid ticks) and I think I'll make an exception this time around.

[faller]

Hey have a read here, this is pretty interesting!!

Dr. Blaylock is a board certified
* *neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU School of
* *Medicine in New Orleans and completed his general surgical internship
* *and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of South
* *Carolina in Charleston , SC.

* *Dr. Blaylock does not recommend the new vaccine ..annother opinion for
* *you to consider as you decide whether to get one or not.

* *DR. RUSSELL BLAYLOCK ON SWINE FLU:

* *"No one should take this vaccine-it is one of the most dangerous
* *vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant called squalene
* *(MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune disorders such
* *as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. The newsletter for August
* *covers this and it may not be out yet. This is the vaccine adjuvant
* *that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome, which killed over
* *10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the fatal disease ALS
* *(Lou Gehreg disease). This virus H1N1 kills by causing a "cytokine
* *storm", which means that it cause the body's immune
* *system to overreact and that is why it is killing young people and is
* *a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have weakened immune
* *systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune stimulator and
* *carries the real possibility of making the lethality of the virus much
* *greater.

* *One's best protection is vitamin D3.. One should take 5000 IU a day
* *now and when the disease begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000
* *IU a day. Vitamin D3 modulates the immune reaction, reducing the
* *chance of an overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are
* *called antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses
* *that does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the
* *higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection.

* *Fish oils (the best is Carlson's Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil)
* *also reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be
* *sufficient. For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day.
* *Antioxidants of various kins also help-this includes, quercetin,
* *curcumin, gr apeseed extract, vitamin C and natural vitamin E. A good
* *multivitamin/mineral is also essential.

* *Feel free to spread this around. People need to know how to protect
* *themselves."

[AlbertaBeef]

He's right about the squalene MF 59, it's not even approved for human consumption but was waived for use in H1N1 vaccine. So if vaccinated with it you can look forward in a few years to MS, Lupus, rhumatoid arthritis and the list goes on. Just search the net on this shit and you will be friggin' amazed.

[guest]

He's right about the squalene MF 59, it's not even approved for human consumption but was waived for use in H1N1 vaccine. So if vaccinated with it you can look forward in a few years to MS, Lupus, rhumatoid arthritis and the list goes on. Just search the net on this shit and you will be friggin' amazed.

i'll help feed the paranoia.

http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=4346

[christiantt]

I have been taking 25 grams Of Tibetan Goji Berries for the last year. never been sick since. Google Tibetan Goji berries for more info .or go to http://www.tibetangoji.ca

[BAM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDxJgJRqPng

[Ritch]

No, not for me.

[gsxr750]

Not taking it

[waderow]

I dont trust government, or pharmaceutical lobbyists..... but noone can give me any facts.... its all emotion at this point

[faller]

but noone can give me any facts.... its all emotion at this point

See thats where it becomes simple for me. When i hear Gov. say something is good for me i don't need anymore info, i walk the other way.

Just like i'm not all that astute in politic's but when an issue does come up and the labour movement cries how bad said issue is i also don't need anymore info. I vote the other way. Some things are just a no brainer for me.

Helps me sleep at night and i get to watch waaay more porn because i don't have to research endlessly.. :sex

[RagingRandy]

Finally...The voice of reason.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2009/11/06/h1n1-media.html

[CanadianIron]

Apparently having a new born puts you in the high risk category... I may be getting vaccinated sooner than I thought...

[ianfxmen]

well as some of you knows i have a 4 months old babie boy so me and my wife got h1n1 vaccinated yesterday took 2 hours total wait time and now were done

[tex]

We are the gov..... So you still pay for it... Beside's, the Gov. is in the parm. industry's pocket anyway.

About paying for the shots, i think it's 20$ for the regular flu shot and 10$ for the H1N1. As far as i know everyone i know of is paying that.. I'm not sure but does it matter if you're in the high risk catagory?? High risk free, low risk pay?? the h1n1 shot is free. it is ILLEGAL to charge for it. report the doctor/clinic asap.

[tex]

and for you conspiracy theorists.....

"Squalene is a naturally occurring oil which has been used in the development of vaccine adjuvants, such as the oil-in-water emulsion MF59. In past years, by use of noncontrolled and nonvalidated assays, a claim was made that antisqualene antibodies were detectable in the sera of individuals with the so-called Gulf War syndrome. Using a validated enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay for the quantitation of immunoglobulin G (IgG) and IgM antibodies against squalene, we demonstrated that antisqualene antibodies are frequently detectable at very low titers in the sera of subjects who were never immunized with vaccines containing squalene. More importantly, vaccination with a subunit influenza vaccine with the MF59 adjuvant neither induced antisqualene antibodies nor enhanced preexisting antisqualene antibody titers. In conclusion, antisqualene antibodies are not increased by immunization with vaccines with the MF59 adjuvant. These data extend the safety profile of the MF59 emulsion adjuvant.

PMID: 16960112 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"

[waderow]

70-80% of everyone hospitalized had "underlying medical conditions"
93% of deaths had "underlying medical conditions"

[BAM]

I will never take the vaccine or a flu shot ever ever.

For those of you that embrace it.. Go ahead, take the shot.. take two..

Just don't push it on the rest of us.

[Scaffer]

what annoys me the most is those @#$@%^ conspiracy theory fellow..." its the government i tell ya"... yeah ,go put your thin foil hat on.

[faller]

what annoys me the most is those @#$@%^ conspiracy theory fellow..." its the government i tell ya"... yeah ,go put your thin foil hat on.

So which Government department do you work in? :fwave

[kloan]

So which Government department do you work in? :fwave

the one hand that doesn't know what the other hand is doing.... so, just about any section in the entire government, take your pick!

[BAM]

So which Government department do you work in? :fwave

besides that .. where can I buy this 'tin' foil he speaks of?

[kloan]

and for you conspiracy theorists.....

"Squalene is a naturally occurring oil which has been used in the development of vaccine adjuvants, such as the oil-in-water emulsion MF59. In past years, by use of noncontrolled and nonvalidated assays, a claim was made that antisqualene antibodies were detectable in the sera of individuals with the so-called Gulf War syndrome. Using a validated enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay for the quantitation of immunoglobulin G (IgG) and IgM antibodies against squalene, we demonstrated that antisqualene antibodies are frequently detectable at very low titers in the sera of subjects who were never immunized with vaccines containing squalene. More importantly, vaccination with a subunit influenza vaccine with the MF59 adjuvant neither induced antisqualene antibodies nor enhanced preexisting antisqualene antibody titers. In conclusion, antisqualene antibodies are not increased by immunization with vaccines with the MF59 adjuvant. These data extend the safety profile of the MF59 emulsion adjuvant.

PMID: 16960112 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"
i feel so much better now. especially since the likelihood of that study was funded by a pharmaceutical company is pretty high.

[Scaffer]

Yah...I do work for the government in way!(orderly at the MGH)

I just I got this bud on facebook and goes trough such length to make those big and documented notes on topic like" 911 was a inside job" or " h1n1 is a conspiracy " and other topics and I just feel like...ok bro,youre stuff is entertaining but stop pushing it on me!

Real reason is,I made this note about the h1n1 and how nobody should get or else they might grow a third arm in 10years and he said" I pity you Vince(me name) I really do.

I just really hate that sentence.

[waderow]

Yah...I do work for the government in way!(orderly at the MGH)

I just I got this bud on facebook and goes trough such length to make those big and documented notes on topic like" 911 was a inside job" or " h1n1 is a conspiracy " and other topics and I just feel like...ok bro,youre stuff is entertaining but stop pushing it on me!

Real reason is,I made this note about the h1n1 and how nobody should get or else they might grow a third arm in 10years and he said" I pity you Vince(me name) I really do.

I just really hate that sentence.

well, you must admit the h1n1 is exaggerated?

sure, it has killed.

sure it has killed a few younger people

stats show those that died had underlying medical conditions

stats show 70-80% of hospitalized have underlying medical conditions

most get h1n1 and dont know it...sure they're sick, but we all get sick sometimes

why do we need a mass panic to get a rather rushed vaccine that doesnt seem to be really necessary? is the government not telling us something they should be telling us? are we all going to die if we dont and they just dont want to say??? lol probably not

[BBbox]

I dont think the h1n1 vaccine is some sort of conspiracy BUT

The world health organization has said that they are "unsure" at this point whether they should be giving 1, 2 or 3 doses of this vaccine.

So I certainly do not want to get something when they dont even know the amount that should be given. If i get one dose and thats not even enough Ill get h1n1 anyways, if I get 3 doses and a year from now they tell me its too much then my system could be ****ed. Just doesnt seem like a good idea until they know more about it.

[dremen]

I dont think the h1n1 vaccine is some sort of conspiracy BUT

The world health organization has said that they are "unsure" at this point whether they should be giving 1, 2 or 3 doses of this vaccine.

So I certainly do not want to get something when they dont even know the amount that should be given. If i get one dose and thats not even enough Ill get h1n1 anyways, if I get 3 doses and a year from now they tell me its too much then my system could be ****ed. Just doesnt seem like a good idea until they know more about it.


1,2 or 3 shots....LOL

If that's not a red flag for a HUGE cash grab i don't know what is:ji

All these people saying they have h1n1 are really milking it man, i had a few cold and a flu in the last 2 months and through both i still force fed myself and went to the gym, well with the flu i waited a few days.

It's like a kid that gets a scratch is fine when they don't see it, but when they know they have it they start to cry like there arm got cut off.

Also doctors are flat out telling people they have h1n1 with NO BLOOD TESTS so this makes the nuber of h1n1 cases go up when really it could just be regular flu.

It's all bullshit, but if this h1n1 mutates again between animals and human it could turn into another black plague. Honestly these viruses that can cross over between animals and humans are very scary shit.

What do you think killed off the Maya civilization:shock

[faller]

What do you think killed off the Maya civilization:shock

Alien's!:D

[dremen]

Alien's!:D


An alien virus:D

[BAM]

H1N1 Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAh2Ax01us&feature=player_embedded


.

[BAM]

no comment on that above link?

[Scaffer]

THe comment above look pretty :puff

[fitfanatik]

yikes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4Sl_3ceXs

[dremen]

yikes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4Sl_3ceXs

WTF does this have to do with h1n1? I don't understand bro?

[BAM]

yikes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4Sl_3ceXs

Thanks for the link.
It backs up my suspicions.


WTF does this have to do with h1n1? I don't understand bro?

It means the Israelis are bio-engineering these new viruses (h1n1 etc) to either wipe out millions or cause enough deaths
to bring in martial law and take more of your rights away. (since they control almost every country in the world) I believe in this video, they are insinuating that by giving the majority of the population the so called vaccine, it will help eventually spread the new designer viruses they release.

[BAM]

....

[waderow]

Thanks for the link.
It backs up my suspicions.



It means the Israelis are bio-engineering these new viruses (h1n1 etc) to either wipe out millions or cause enough deaths
to bring in martial law and take more of your rights away. (since they control almost every country in the world) I believe in this video, they are insinuating that by giving the majority of the population the so called vaccine, it will help eventually spread the new designer viruses they release.

hahahah just like there was no holocaust and the jews caused 9-11

:ji

[BAM]

Yes there was a murdering of many jews in ww2, but the numbers are wrong. More christians died in ww2 than jews.

Yes, 911 was an inside job by the government, which is in turn controlled by israel/jews.

Keep on sheepin along :)

[Durk]

What would the point be of whiping all of us out if it would in turn make our countries easy prey for say the developing world, that wont be able to afford vacines?

If anything Jews are trying to spread some kind of bio-chemical through that hand lotion they sell. Ever notice how they are at every mall slopping lotion on everyone that passes. They piss me off when they try to guilt me into buying a 20 dollar jug of crap when I am on a date trying to be as cheap as possible. They try harder than a stripper looking for a lap dance.

Hopefully acusing them of conspiracy theories will in the future both entertain me, and make them go away faster lol.

[waderow]

Yes there was a murdering of many jews in ww2, but the numbers are wrong. More christians died in ww2 than jews.

By genocide? nope. not even close.



Yes, 911 was an inside job by the government, which is in turn controlled by israel/jews.

Keep on sheepin along :)

an argument could be made that the "sheep" are the ones who buy into the bullshit conspiracies spinned out by the michael moores and david dukes of the world

[guest]

By genocide? nope. not even close.






more Ukrainians died than any other group.

[waderow]

more Ukrainians died than any other group.

by genocide?

the soviet union took a shit kicking, and more civilians died there then the jews...by maybe 300%? But what is so dreadful about the holocaust is the manner in which the jews were killed.

[tex]

i feel so much better now. especially since the likelihood of that study was funded by a pharmaceutical company is pretty high. yet you inject something made in someones kitchen.....not sure what to say to you.....you must be right.....

[cog]

more Ukrainians died than any other group.

You're talking about the 30's or during 39-45?

[BAM]

Here is a more informative version of that clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4Y5GPbSbk&NR=1

4 minutes longer

[waderow]

Here is a more informative version of that clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp4Y5GPbSbk&NR=1

4 minutes longer

okay... LOL **** youre funny


so I thought the USA was a Jew government?????? why would they kill their own people?
Why is the IDF undertaking H1N1 vaccination?
Why the israeli people?

Why would they wipe out half the world? to what gain?


I am so entertained by this stupidity

[BAM]

^^Google is your friend. :)

[waderow]

that video is retarded. holy shit


the amero!!! lol 6-12 months. Okay, I am keeping note here BAM.

Also, apparently everyone knows about the conspiracy in govt, the fbi, the israelis, and army.... You realize that someone would leak the info right? more then one credible person would leak the info and be a big hero right? Its impossible to make a conspiracy like this happen.

[kloan]

yet you inject something made in someones kitchen.....not sure what to say to you.....you must be right.....

lol, i already said earlier im already taking a big risk injecting ugl gear i dont want to put myself in anymore unnecessary risk by getting vaccines i dont trust. if you're trying to make me look stupid, try harder or at least bring up a point i haven't already touched on.

[BAM]

by genocide?
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14450&stc=1&d=1258064594
the soviet union took a shit kicking, and more civilians died there then the jews...by maybe 300%? But what is so dreadful about the holocaust is the manner in which the jews were killed.

How do you know those are jews in that pit?

[waderow]

How do you know those are jews in that pit?

i guess I dont, but logically speaking, they are LIKELY jews, as millions were mass murdered in german labour and death camps and were either cremated or buried in mass graves in an emaciated condition as illustrated.

[bottleneckblooz]

My GF got the H1N1 flu last week. She took tamiflu and felt much better after a couple of days. We live together so we've been in very close contact, and so far so good for me. Either I didn't catch it, or symptoms are so mild that I barely notice them. I'll probably pass on the shot, not because I think it's dangerous, just because I've already come face to face with that flu and sent it running :D

[dremen]

i guess I dont, but logically speaking, they are LIKELY jews, as millions were mass murdered in german labour and death camps and were either cremated or buried in mass graves in an emaciated condition as illustrated.

Agree.

Hitler did'nt toss just anyone in those pits/fires. Jews and people who helped the jews were mass murdered. I think it was a ratio of 20/3 or something like that. 20 being jewish persons and 3 being anyone who aided the jewish people in hiding or what have you. That could be total bullshit for all i know, it's just something i remember hearing a prof talk about back in University.

Either way to even think a person could do such things to another person is truly mind numbing and shocking:(

[tex]

antisemitic, anti-black...what else can we add to your list Bam? I wonder what kind of secrets are in your gene pool that you don't know about.... ;)

[BAM]

antisemitic, anti-black...what else can we add to your list Bam? I wonder what kind of secrets are in your gene pool that you don't know about.... ;)

I have never said anything agaist black people.

'Antisemitic' would mean I have something against arabs too, which I do not.

I just try to point out things that people may not realize and give them a chance to do research for themselves instead of blindly accepting a dictated version of history that may not be accurate as the media and historians responsible for it being perpetuated, all belong to one gene pool.

:flowers

[waderow]

I have never said anything agaist black people.

'Antisemitic' would mean I have something against arabs too, which I do not.

I just try to point out things that people may not realize and give them a chance to do research for themselves instead of blindly accepting a dictated version of history that may not be accurate as the media and historians responsible for it being perpetuated, all belong to one gene pool.

:flowers

youre blindly accepting a dictated version too BAM.

[guest]

by genocide?


maybe......

http://www.ukrainiangenocide.com/

[waderow]

maybe......

http://www.ukrainiangenocide.com/

ummmm what does this have to do with the hallocaust and WW2?

I agree though... Stalin was as evil, or worse even then Hitler, but the topic here was Jews

[RagingRandy]

The reason I believe some groups, the Ukrainians being one of them, are so sick of hearing about the Jews is that their story is not heard. It is usually taught in schools either. There have been many "holocausts" but the one the Jews faced is front and centre over all others. You can not question any aspect of what is taught regarding the Jewish holocaust or you are labeled a Jew hater and anti-semitic. When something can not be questioned it stops being a belief and becomes propaganda.

[guest]

ummmm what does this have to do with the hallocaust and WW2?

I agree though... Stalin was as evil, or worse even then Hitler, but the topic here was Jews

that was my 'maybe' as to your question of genocide. lol. all of which has nothing to do with the H1N1 topic of this meandering thread.

i'm just wasting time............i love lamp.

[waderow]

that was my 'maybe' as to your question of genocide. lol. all of which has nothing to do with the H1N1 topic of this meandering thread.

i'm just wasting time............i love lamp.

where this all came from was Bam saying the jews causes H1N1 and 9-11 and they didnt get killed in the halocaust

[guest]

where this all came from was Bam saying the jews causes H1N1 and 9-11 and they didnt get killed in the halocaust

well that's a known fact.

[waderow]

well that's a known fact.

lol

[BAM]

http://info-wars.org/2009/11/14/parainfluenza-and-ah1n1-mixture-in-ukraine-total-destruction-of-the-lungs/

[mayhem]

OTTAWA — Thirty-six Canadians have experienced serious adverse reactions following their H1N1 vaccination, the country's chief public health officer reported Tuesday.

Dr. David Butler-Jones said the events, including one death, are being investigated to determine if they were related to the vaccine directly, or if they were actually caused by another factor.

"It's important to remember that just because a medical event follows vaccination it may not have been caused by the vaccine," Butler-Jones told a news briefing.

The death was in an elderly person who suffered anaphylaxis, or a serious allergic reaction.

Of the serious reactions, most were allergic reactions, fever and convulsions. The 36 serious reactions were out of 6.6 million vaccinations and Butler-Jones said the rate of serious reactions to the H1N1 vaccine is less than what is normally seen with the seasonal vaccine.

The chief public health officer said serious adverse events are expected during any mass immunization program, that they are rare and that the benefits of vaccination outweigh any risks.

"Canadians can be assured that, to date, the frequency of serious reactions is less than one per 100,000 doses distributed, which is what we've seen with other vaccines," he said.

Serious adverse events are reactions that cause life-threatening illness, hospitalization, disability or death.

Minor side effects of the H1N1 vaccine have included nausea, dizziness, headache, fever and soreness at the injection site.

Butler-Jones said that based on the number of doses that have been distributed and the rate at which provinces have been able to administer them, an estimated 20 per cent of Canadians have received the H1N1 vaccine.

[fitfanatik]

Source: Russia Today


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPFojqTCSZA

[St]

I will need to get it,to get into the health field.

[fitfanatik]

Kevin Trudeau {In-Studio} on Alex Jones Tv 1/5:Big Pharma's Secret is Out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW82CSheUQg

[waderow]

I don't trust Kevin Trudeau. He's looking after number 1...remember that!
Probably just another con man.

everyone looks after number 1

the interesting part is that the govt is attacking him so vigilantly

[Thorgrim]

I won't be getting the H1N1 vaccine or any other vaccine in the future. I don't trust big government (they are all too big these days) and I don't trust the pharmaceutical industry.

I agree with a lot of what Bam is saying.

Here is another take on it. The "health care" and pharmaceutical industry when you actually boil it down are into the business of sick care. If you don't have a disease then you don't require their services or product so it is actually in their best interests if more people get sick. Degenerative diseases especially are a cash cow. If someone gets sick with something like rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, MS or a mild cancer (breast for example) it means very big bucks for these companies. People on expensive prescription drugs for years if not decades is what makes them the most money.

SO why wouldn't they slip some toxic chemicals into vaccines that build up in your body with every dose and eventually result in some form of degenerative disease? Most of the time the symptoms show up years or decades later so it is almost impossible to trace the cause.

IN the United states the drug companies are immune from lawsuits relating to the swine flu shot because the government passed a law to protect them. That along with the obvious overblown hype and monetary incentives (profit now selling the vaccine and later treating disease caused by it). Have me convinced to stay away from any and all vaccines.

[faller]

into the business of sick care. .

And thats why i'm a firm believer that we will never see a cure for any of these disease's.

[manfreakca]

hell no

[JifeLacket]

Just got both today... I don't know how i do it but im ****in healthy, haven't been sick AT ALL this winter besides ingesting too much alcohol (must be the 2 a day sprinting and HEAVY SQUATS AND DEADS).

The reason why people feel shitty for 48 hours or w.e is the same shit as the 'test flu,' your body is 'building immunity/fending it off', they don't actually have it. HOWEVER in this state of 'fending it off/building immunity' one is more prone to catching something else. Same with 'you will catch a cold from being in the cold,' you don't catch a cold FROM the cold, the temperature lowers the immune system making your more prone...

[YYZgeddylee]

I've been doing a lot of reading on some research done
by Dr. Andrew Moulden. I'd read a couple articles featuring
this guy and heard a couple of podcast he spoke on.

He has conclusive proof (brain scans) that the white blood cell immune response from vaccinations are causing impaired blood flow (Ischemia) and limited oxygenation, which is in turn causing mini or micro strokes in some people. The paralysis
is usually very subtle but often quite visible. Some very obvious examples of the stroke like symptoms can be seen in photos on his site. This vaccination reaction is also causing other severe acute and chronic conditions which may not show up immediately.

His site is pretty poorly designed, but good info on it.
He comes across at a bit of a neo-christian zealot,
but i dont think this guy's a quack. He's over educated
by most standards.
Bachelor’s in Biological Psychology,
Medical degree at McMaster University in Hamilton,
Masters in Child Development ,
PhD in Clinical-Experimental Neuropsychology
with sub-specialization in Cognitive Neurosciences,
His PhD thesis was in Functional Brain Imaging and
Neuro-Electrophysiology at the Univiversity of Toronto,
he taught courses on Brain and Behavior, Neurology, Neurbobiology, Neuropsychology, and Neuropsychiatry
at the University of Ottawa for more than a decade.

Interesting video featuring Moulden. Like his website, amateurish but good info. (skip the first minute, hokey intro)

http://www.massflo2.com/video27/video27.html

[YYZgeddylee]

Photo showing Microvascular Cranial Nerve Palsies.
Caused by interruption of the blood supply to one
of the cranial nerves which causes it not to work.

http://brainguardmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/a-cranial-nerve-lesions.png


http://brainguardmd.com/microvascular-cranial-nerve-palsies-neuro-opthalmology/



For years you thought that guy with the
"lazy eye" was just weird.

He was probably a micro stroke victim.



.

[BAM]

Bill gates admits vaccines are used for human depopulation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064

[ASGARDIAN]

Since it is the flu season and people, friends, and my family have become sick around me i am more aware that i do not touch my face. I also wash my hands for no reason once in a while with hot water at work and at home. I am also taking supplements to boost my immune system. So far so good, as i've only been taking the immunity supplement for a solid week now.

[evoke]

probably not

[Big D]

probably not

x2

[bipolar]

Got it last year. No big deal. I had too much going on and didnt want to take any chances getting sick when everyone around me was getting the flu.

[s.tranger]

I didn't take it but I don't know why people are so opposed to taking it. Its just like the regular flu shot, which I barely ever get, but I am not opposed to it at all. Study how the immune system responds, you will learn how vaccines work. I had a friend who had H1N1, he was out for afew weeks but he's fine now, its not as big a deal as they make it out to be.