Edmonton Hostage situation

[mayhem]

Just heard this briefly on the radio. Seems like someone took hostages at the Worker's Compensation Board. Heard one hostage was released. Is it over or ongoing?

[vazsek]

ongoing last i heard

[thesizzler]

Funny you mention that ... I just got a denial letter for a 100% legit claim i made over 4 months back. I say **** those ****ing fags. I lost over 5 grand because they denied my claim. People at my work who fake an injury always get there claim granted. The one's who have legit claims seem to get denied.

**** them

[thesizzler]

Btw, i have nothing to do with what's going on . Lol

[tex]

"the hostage taker is believed to be posting on an online bodybuilding forum at this time"

[guest]

"the hostage taker is believed to be posting on an online bodybuilding forum at this time"

hahahaha.

[vazsek]

my sister phoned me from that office the one time and she couldn't beleive they had armed guards there, i told her stick around and keep dealing with them and she would see why. she learned shortly after she started her claim why there is armed guards there.

[thesizzler]

LOL, crap .. Busted !

Armed guards? That's a bit messed up but I can see why. WCB hooked me up with a claim manager who was gone or 5 weeks. I was then forwarded on the phone to his assistant who was taking everything over while he was gone. She said to me that when he gets back from his holidays he will contact me. I guess they don't understand that while being off work injured with out pay is not okay.
I'm just lucky I had extended health insurance that kicked in after 30 days. Long enough time to go with out income.

**** them

[pseclint]

heard this as well, been quite a standoff.... 8 hostages

[faller]

Ever been to the one in the lower mainland, its like fortnox... They have an unwriten rule there, deny all claims 3 times. This is in the hopes that you will give up... **** them and **** anyone working there, i have absolutely no compassion for those bottom feeding cocksuckers!! and if there is a member here working for them,, **** you!!! :)

[thesizzler]

Ever been to the one in the lower mainland, its like fortnox... They have an unwriten rule there, deny all claims 3 times. This is in the hopes that you will give up... **** them and **** anyone working there, i have absolutely no compassion for those bottom feeding cocksuckers!! and if there is a member here working for them,, **** you!!! :)

Ya ! What he said

[GYMBRAT]

Ive f**ked myself up good a number of times in the past on the rigs and so on (never ever had a cushy job) and never did file a claim, should have done it a couple times because I can feel some past injuries today ;) just didn't wanna lose any work because I was a silly workaholic! :D

.....also most who have done that to certain companies in them days would be "Black Balled" stupid I know!!!

[GYMBRAT]

oh, and I also think they are a bunch of useless brain dead bunch of f**ks Ive ever seen!!! same goes for MEP and EI for that matter, lol

[faller]

Ive f**ked myself up good a number of times in the past on the rigs and so on (never ever had a cushy job) and never did file a claim, should have done it a couple times because I can feel some past injuries today ;) just didn't wanna lose any work because I was a silly workaholic! :D

.....also most who have done that to certain companies in them days would be "Black Balled" stupid I know!!!

Same here. I almost took my leg off at the knee with a chainsaw about 25 years ago and i didn't file for a claim either. I got sewed up and begged my father inlaw for a job on a hoe 2 weeks later. Me on crutch's and my wife fueling up the machine and greasing it. They can force me to pay but they can't force me to collect. Stupid i know, but i wanted nothing to do with that organization.

[GYMBRAT]

I hear ya! I ran chainsaw for yrs myself.......now thats a REAL mans job I tell ya!!! used to cut cord's sp..been too long! out in the CR area, and cut seismic lines, slashing here in Alberta haha

[thesizzler]

It's always best to claim but i understand why most don't. I had to claim mine .. i ended up with horrible tennis elbow and tendentious and it just won't go fully away. This one guy got a little cut in on his leg from some pallets stacked 5 high. The little tiny cut was immediately infected with some thing from that pallet. In the end he lost his leg. Pallets make the world go round. Who knows what was on it.

I just picked up my parcel in at the post office. It is a cd rom from wcb basically out lining everything over the last 4 months and making sure i understand my claim was denied. Lol, I'm pissed off .. I'm getting drunk

**** em

[GYMBRAT]

oh no I agree with ya 110% bro, I honestly wish I would have now! hind site is 20-20 right ;)

[champcar99]

I do think people need to get into their faces more and more , make them accountable and **** this over the phone bullshit..no way you can go see WCB in person .jeeze wunder why...you pay all your ****ing working life into WCB and you have no choice but when you get hurt and need the money and the rehabilitaion..they screw you around for the money and in my case never gave me enough rehab time to fully heal my injury, even after the doc said I needed more sessions..I eneded up getting a bill cause the pricks thought without even seeing me or hearing from me that I had too many visits for my injury.... it's hard to say the guy is doing the right thing but ..I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for any of those WCB weasel little pricks being held hostage...**** YOU ALL YOU WCB ASSHOLES...

[faller]

Any updates on whats happening there? I feel bad for the guy, being pushed over the edge like that.

[GYMBRAT]

I do think people need to get into their faces more and more , make them accountable and **** this over the phone bullshit..no way you can go see WCB in person .jeeze wunder why...you pay all your ****ing working life into WCB and you have no choice but when you get hurt and need the money and the rehabilitaion..they screw you around for the money and in my case never gave me enough rehab time to fully heal my injury, even after the doc said I needed more sessions..I eneded up getting a bill cause the pricks thought without even seeing me or hearing from me that I had too many visits for my injury.... it's hard to say the guy is doing the right thing but ..I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for any of those WCB weasel little pricks being held hostage...**** YOU ALL YOU WCB ASSHOLES...

F**k YEAH MAN I agree!

[champcar99]

Edmonton standoff ends peacefully, hostages uninjured

21/10/2009 9:09:08 PM

CTV.ca News Staff
The gunman at the centre of a hostage-taking at the Workers' Compensation Board building in downtown Edmonton has surrendered to police without incident.


"All hostages were unharmed," Edmonton police spokesman Dean Parthenis announced.

The gunman, described as a disgruntled client of the WCB, took eight hostages over the course of the day, according to Insp. Terry Rochhio.

Rochhio would not release the gunman's name, but said the suspect wanted to tell his story.

Police convinced the gunman to let his hostages go one by one throughout the nearly 10-hour ordeal. The last one was set free about 30 minutes before the gunman surrendered.

A 911 call was placed shortly before 9 a.m., reporting that a man with a rifle was inside the building, which is located near the Alberta legislature.

The police tactical unit and officers from the local division descended on the area and began to evacuate hundreds of people from the building, Edmonton police spokesperson Jeff Wuite told CTV News Channel Wednesday morning.

"We've got our negotiator team out here speaking with the man to do our best to bring this to a peaceful conclusion," Wuite said.

Witnesses have told CTV News a loud bang was heard in the building. However it's not clear if the source of the noise was a gunshot.

Shortly after the standoff began, one hostage was released because of a medical issue, reported CTV's Bill Fortier. Other hostages were released throughout the day during negotiations with police.

Those living with the man at an assisted living facility in Edmonton told CTV News he had dealings with the WCB.

A WCB spokesperson also said the board believes the suspect is a claimant.

Don Bellerose, who lives in the same building as the alleged gunman, said no one expected this to happen.

Bellerose said the gunman was working in the concrete industry when he was injured on the job. He said he was then cut off from benefits.

"He's going through a lot of problems right now. In the recent past he has had a lot of problems with workman's compensation, but on top of that his wife is taking him to court for custody of his kids," Bellerose told The Canadian Press. "It's all anger -- all anger."

Bill Moore-Kilgannon, who can see the WCB building from his office in the Public Interest Alberta Society, said heavily armed officers made a brief attempt to enter the building earlier on Wednesday.

"We saw what looked like fairly heavily armed police officers going into the building," Moore-Kilgannon told News Channel. "They didn't stay very long, they were in there maybe three or four minutes and then they came out. Otherwise, there's just a very heavy police presence on all the corners around."

A local radio station is reporting that the man has a grudge against a doctor who works for the board and is "mad at the world."

Jennifer Dagsvik, a WCB spokesperson who was not on site when the incident began, told News Channel that about 700 employees work in the nine-storey building, including case managers and claim adjudicators.

"Our employees know what to do in a case of something like this, but this is just such a rare, rare occurrence," Dagsvik said Wednesday afternoon.

Police have cordoned off several streets in the area and are asking people to stay away from the scene, "simply for their own safety," Wuite said.

[faller]

Thanks for the update champcar... That poor bastard just made a bad situation worse. My heart go's out to him..

Haveing been in an industry where injuries happened far too often i've seen dozens upon dozens of lives ruined fianically, homes and marriage's destroyed. What they do is criminal and yet they answer to no one.

[GYMBRAT]

Thanks for the update champcar... That poor bastard just made a bad situation worse. My heart go's out to him..

x2 :friday

[champcar99]

dozens upon dozens of lives ruined fianically, homes and marriage's destroyed. What they do is criminal and yet they answer to no one.

thats the problem....what can we do about it... LEGALLY NOTHING

[Talo]

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/world/Standoff+with+armed+hostage+taker+ends+Edmonton/2129925/story.html

[SteveKing]

Ok, I have to chime in here cause some of these comments are retarded.
My wife is a social worker for WCB, and has worked there for a few years. For the people saying they feel bad for the guy holding up the place... Are you serious???? You think situations have to come to this??? Come on..... what if your wife, or daughter had a gun held to their head just for doing their job? (who probably never even had anything to do with the guys claim anyways).

If you only knew what lazy ****s SOME of the people that make claims are like, then you'd realize the necessity for implemting strict procedures. It ruins it for people with legit claims. There are flaws in the system, but they do amazing things for people as well, (ie. getting people back in school, updated training programs, salary top ups & compensation, etc.

Oh, and for the comment, something about how we all pay into it.... actually no we don't! It is a private insurace company... not government owned. It is payed by employers who choose to have the coverage.

[faller]

And your wife has no problem sleeping at nights??

"You think situations have to come to this??? " No they force situations like this.

"but they do amazing things for people as well" Oh really? Well in the real world i have yet to see these "amazeing things". I worked in the forest, i've seen guys get maimed for life, and i've seen WCB do nothing but **** these people over. Training program?? Give me a break, all that is about getting you off compensation as quickly as possible no matter if you are healed up and ready and no matter how useless the new "occupation" is. This is what acctually happens not the crap they circulate to the public.

"salary top ups" Ok this is so ****ing stupid i can't even respond. I did get an amazeing laugh though.

And your last comment about paying, in BC as a faller you can not get a job unless you have your own coverage, your "employers" don't pay, we do. And we don't have a "choice" we have to by law. You can not step foot in the woods unless we have their coverage and only their's. And we pay through the nose. When i first got it a few years back it was 25%, thats 25% off the top of what i was makeing. 1/4 of what i made went to those cocksuckers! Shit and the tax man hadn't even had a look at my books yet.

I have no more sympathy for WCB employies than i do for revenu Canada emplyies. These people go about destroying live's every day, collect their pay checks and merryly go home to their familys at night.

I stand behind what i said, **** them!!

[champcar99]

Ok, I have to chime in here cause some of these comments are retarded.
My wife is a social worker for WCB, and has worked there for a few years. For the people saying they feel bad for the guy holding up the place... Are you serious???? You think situations have to come to this??? Come on..... what if your wife, or daughter had a gun held to their head just for doing their job? (who probably never even had anything to do with the guys claim anyways).

If you only knew what lazy ****s SOME of the people that make claims are like, then you'd realize the necessity for implemting strict procedures. It ruins it for people with legit claims. There are flaws in the system, but they do amazing things for people as well, (ie. getting people back in school, updated training programs, salary top ups & compensation, etc.

Oh, and for the comment, something about how we all pay into it.... actually no we don't! It is a private insurace company... not government owned. It is payed by employers who choose to have the coverage.

sounds too me like someone lives in LA LA LAND...I have a feeling more people will have more bad than good with WCB...

[waderow]

I always root for a cop sniper putting a bullet in the head of any mother****er who puts innocent lives on the line.... but in this case, I am torn. That building is full of mother****ers whose sole purpose is to **** injured workers around. In their eyes every claim is false, and they treat humans like shit. Maybe if one or two of them took a bullet in the spine then they would open up their eyes when WCB ****s THEM over.

Part of the problem is the abusers though, and they are no better. I have come across abusers in my years of construction time and time again. They too could use a bullet

[waderow]

I have no more sympathy for WCB employies than i do for revenu Canada emplyies. These people go about destroying live's every day, collect their pay checks and merryly go home to their familys at night.

I stand behind what i said, **** them!!

they take pleasure in ****ing people over. Revenue Canada workers get hard when they can fine people and charge them illegal interest rates on back taxes.

need to spread the green around

[SteveKing]

And your wife has no problem sleeping at nights??

"You think situations have to come to this??? " No they force situations like this.

Ok, because someone doesn't get what they think they deserve, this gives them the right to point a gun to their head???


"but they do amazing things for people as well" Oh really? Well in the real world i have yet to see these "amazeing things".

Yes, My wife is a social worker, and she gets people interviews with companies they want to work for, gets them back in school, helps them upgrade cpu skills, etc. Maybe she's not working in the "evil" division of the corporation, but she regurarly recieves phone calls from people she's helped who break down crying because they are so happy with they help they recieve in gettig their life back together.
I'm sure people get f'd over on claims too, so I will agree to disagree. It's not ALL bad though.


"salary top ups" Ok this is so ****ing stupid i can't even respond. I did get an amazeing laugh though.

And what is it you don't understand??? Example: You get injured making 50k.... WCB helps you find another job of your choice making 40K.... then they top up your salary 10k, so you make the same as you made when you got hurt. I can't really put it any simpler.

you can not get a job unless you have your own coverage, your "employers" don't pay, we do. And we don't have a "choice"

Not everyone in BC pays. Like I said, employers pay. From their website...
Do I need to register for insurance coverage if I'm a worker?
No. In fact workers CANNOT register or waive their rights to compensation. A worker is anyone employed full-time, part-time or casually, and who is paid a wage, salary or commission by the job, or on a piecework basis. This includes administration, management and clerical staff as well as labourers.

As an employer...

Can I deduct the cost of my WorkSafeBC premiums from my workers' pay cheques?
No. It's against the law to deduct premiums from your workers, either directly or indirectly

I have no more sympathy for WCB employies than i do for revenu Canada emplyies. These people go about destroying live's every day, collect their pay checks and merryly go home to their familys at night.
I stand behind what i said, **** them!!


I disagree, Your barking up the wrong tree and your opinion doesn't seem to be justified by logic. So, for example: a cop gives you a ticket for speeding and your mad a the cop cause you broke the law and he is just doing his job??? In reality, if you don't believe the posted speed limit is justified, bitch to the law makers... not the cop for doing his job.

Same goes for revenue canada employees... you don't like paying taxes... go phone your member in parliament and complain about the tax rates. You don't go down to the CRA office and put a f'n gun to someones head for doing their job. By simply saying "**** THEM" because you don't like paying taxes, Your argument is illogical and unjustified.

.

[faller]

Nice!! Quote's from the official book. Dude you have no idea how the real works, seriously. All that mumbo jumbo you just peeled off is just that, mumbo jumbo. Your idea of "logic" can not replace what i have seen. Bitch to the law makers?? WCB is above the law.I'm not in the least bit interested in debateing with someone that has no clue, it's beyond pointless...

[SteveKing]

Ok then, I have no clue. Your "**** the world, kill the messenger logic" is clearly the way to go. :confused:

If we apply your reasoning to your job, lets see what we get...
Some maniac environmentalist puts a gun to your head while you are at work just doing your job. He wants you to stop cutting down trees because, according to him, you are ruining our environment. Therefore, **** you, you ruin peoples lives and we should all cheer for this maniac to put a bullet in your head.

Sorry, your justification is illogical and therefore void.

[faller]

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Some maniac environmentalist puts a gun to your head while you are at work just doing your job. He wants you to stop cutting down trees because, according to him, you are ruining our environment. .

Been there.

[faller]

Let me just get one more in here... I'll give you an example of just how delusional and out of touch you are..

"Not everyone in BC pays. Like I said, employers pay. From their website...
Do I need to register for insurance coverage if I'm a worker?
No. In fact workers CANNOT register or waive their rights to compensation. A worker is anyone employed full-time, part-time or casually, and who is paid a wage, salary or commission by the job, or on a piecework basis. This includes administration, management and clerical staff as well as labourers."

I know all this, i'm very aware of what the law state's but here's the reality of said law. It's ****ing worthless! Me as a faller try's to get a job with a logging company, the first thing they ask is "do you have your WCB", i say "no i do not, i am not required to have one because you are responsible for WCB coverage". They say "thank you for the interest but we are not looking for any faller's at the moment". And how did they get around said law, they made us all have limited company's.

So what do i do? Why i go to my lawyer to have him set up my limited company so i can than get my WCB, which accordeing to you i don't need, than i get on the phone to WCB and talk to some **** on the other end and try to get her to set up an account for me. All this so i can go to work and support my family and pray to my God that i don't get injured because that same **** i just talked to on the phone will do everyting in her power to **** me over if i do!

That **** i just talked about is the messenger, she does her job and gets up in the morning and looks at herself in the mirror with no problem. I would sooner put a bullet in my head before i became that messenger. Being that "messenger" does not absolve you of anything, thats an easy out for doing what you know is wrong, regardless of what the law or legislation say's. Destroying people's lives is wrong!!

Nuf said, i'm done. I just get way too pissed off when people like you and your holier than thou attitude beek off about something you have no ****ing clue about other than what you have read in the official book!!

[waderow]

Steveking... there is some shady shit that goes down. Maybe your wife is one of the good ones, but WCB as a rule, is a conflict with the injured, instead of a helping hand