run gh without gear?

[poncho101]

anyone take gh with any gear? still get good gains with this?

[CMS Pimp]

I am using peptides, and like it so far.. I know it ain't GH, but I do feel a good difference.

[theboss]

you can take GH with or without...i would think it would be better with..but definatly keep using is after, it will help you keep your gains.

[Praetorian]

Using GH without androgens will result in only some fat loss...thats if your diet is tight. You will see no gains in muscle at all...alot of money for nothing.
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[JoeDiggX]

Using GH without androgens will result in only some fat loss...thats if your diet is tight. You will see no gains in muscle at all...alot of money for nothing.
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GH assists recovery, with or without gear so yes it won't result in surplus nitrogen or an "anabolic state" per se but if you lift hard, eat a ton, you probably won't gain fat assuming the diets clean and the skeletal muscle will heal quicker so you could in a sense say it will attribute to muscle gains ... Agreed?

[bongd]

GH assists recovery, with or without gear so yes it won't result in surplus nitrogen or an "anabolic state" per se but if you lift hard, eat a ton, you probably won't gain fat assuming the diets clean and the skeletal muscle will heal quicker so you could in a sense say it will attribute to muscle gains ... Agreed?

Yeah, I don't get my regular post-cycle mega sickness if I take GH afterward. Granted, it does little to nothing in terms of hypertrophy. As long as I don't shrink or get ultra sick afterward, it's worth it.

[Praetorian]

GH assists recovery, with or without gear so yes it won't result in surplus nitrogen or an "anabolic state" per se but if you lift hard, eat a ton, you probably won't gain fat assuming the diets clean and the skeletal muscle will heal quicker so you could in a sense say it will attribute to muscle gains ... Agreed?

You will gain fat if you overeat whether you are on GH or not. It will assist in keeping off the fat but its not magic by any means....its also very dose dependant..2-4iu you can forget it. Assisting recovery slightly is not going to result in extra muscle. GH works if you use it in a specific way. As I said thats a very expensive way to slightly assist recovery...complete waste of money. Unless you are running a low dose HRT cycle for health benefits its not worth running unless you do it correctly...or unless you are in a sport which is drug tested ...ie UFC, Olympics etc
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[Max 750]

Im currently running 3iu's/day. I started before my cycle ended and it helped with keeping gains quite a bit. Im not on as anymore and my muscles still feel full, i have more energy, and ive lost some bodyfat. So far running gh only is worth it if it gets me leaner, and helps me recover quicker. plus its only costing me $250 month.

[bongd]

You will gain fat if you overeat whether you are on GH or not. It will assist in keeping off the fat but its not magic by any means....its also very dose dependant..2-4iu you can forget it. Assisting recovery slightly is not going to result in extra muscle. GH works if you use it in a specific way. As I said thats a very expensive way to slightly assist recovery...complete waste of money. Unless you are running a low dose HRT cycle for health benefits its not worth running unless you do it correctly...or unless you are in a sport which is drug tested ...ie UFC, Olympics etc
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True enough. If I couldn't use androgens and wanted to do something to gain mass, it'd be a heavy peptide cycle with slin, T3, GH and some other goodies. It'd be very expensive. Just adding a little test would take it so much further.

[baza]

No gear and low dose GH = Health benefits. If you are expecting anything else, you'll be in for a surprise.

[guest]

it will have little results in a BB application. cheaper and better to run test on its own

[Praetorian]

True enough. If I couldn't use androgens and wanted to do something to gain mass, it'd be a heavy peptide cycle with slin, T3, GH and some other goodies. It'd be very expensive. Just adding a little test would take it so much further.

You will NOT gain any mass on slin, T3 and GH...complete waste of money and why would you take T3...that makes no sense.
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[bongd]

You will NOT gain any mass on slin, T3 and GH...complete waste of money and why would you take T3...that makes no sense.
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I think we're being a little elitist, bro. GH and slin; you will gain mass - I know a dozen people who've used them without androgens and they've gained mass. T3 also increases metabolism and protein turnover. I'm not talking about taking 500mg of T3 a day and losing 80lbs a week. I'm talking about a low dose.

There are tons of "natural" competitors out there running nothing but peptides and they sure look like they're gaining mass to me.

[Vitamin S]

GH for 90 percent is a pricey version of eca stack, for cellular division from what i have been told and growth u need a frikkin kit a week almost alongside AAS YIKES

[Praetorian]

I think we're being a little elitist, bro. GH and slin; you will gain mass - I know a dozen people who've used them without androgens and they've gained mass. T3 also increases metabolism and protein turnover. I'm not talking about taking 500mg of T3 a day and losing 80lbs a week. I'm talking about a low dose.

There are tons of "natural" competitors out there running nothing but peptides and they sure look like they're gaining mass to me.

You argument based on anecdotal evidence is not valid. Look like they are gaining mass...please. You also have no idea what these natural competitors are running. I know many "natural" competitors running winstrol, prop, suspension etc...I am giving you information from over 20 years in the field and from training many clients over the last 10 years. Taking T3 is specific to dieting not offseason....and the argument of increased protein synthesis is BS...all you are doing is burning more calories. You are not gaining any significant mass with T3, slin and GH period...to gain mass these compounds need to be used a specific way and that is not it. With slin you will gain mass....fat mass that is....the only thing GH and T3 will do is counter the effect of the slin...so back to square one.
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[Praetorian]

GH for 90 percent is a pricey version of eca stack, for cellular division from what i have been told and growth u need a frikkin kit a week almost alongside AAS YIKES

For mass 6-10 ius daily(depending on the brand) along with high androgens(1g/ week). Slin is unnecessary unless you become insulin resistant.
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[CanadianIron]

What about guys using GH during PCT to bridge cycles? Doesnt it help to maintain gains and reduce muscle loss?

[Andre]

GH for 90 percent is a pricey version of eca stack, for cellular division from what i have been told and growth u need a frikkin kit a week almost alongside AAS YIKES

I don't think GH and ECA have anything in common...

[Shortdave]

Well I am hoping that GH will help me with my tendon recovery, but I am not looking to get bigger from it, just healthier

[Praetorian]

What about guys using GH during PCT to bridge cycles? Doesnt it help to maintain gains and reduce muscle loss?

Yes of course...GH during PCT is generally a good idea for the reasons you stated. It also helps with increasing sex drive and keeps helps against high cortisol levels. This however has nothing to do with building significant muscle mass.
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[bongd]

I'm not going to go down this path with you. Bodybuilders are liars so I'm not going to listen to your bold claims. You're taking things out of context and being elitist. You're also very mistaken on every "point" and ad hominem.

Have fun up there on your high horse, bud.

[natenator]

I'm not going to go down this path with you. Bodybuilders are liars so I'm not going to listen to your bold claims. You're taking things out of context and being elitist. You're also very mistaken on every "point" and ad hominem.

Have fun up there on your high horse, bud.
douchebag much?

enough said

[Andre]

I'm not going to go down this path with you. Bodybuilders are liars so I'm not going to listen to your bold claims. You're taking things out of context and being elitist. You're also very mistaken on every "point" and ad hominem.

Have fun up there on your high horse, bud.

It's good you are not generalizing or stereotyping... you will make alot of friends on a bodybuilding board by coming out with a statement like that...

[bongd]

It's good you are not generalizing or stereotyping... you will make alot of friends on a bodybuilding board by coming out with a statement like that...

It's true though. Even people who've been bodybuilding for 30+ years have told me that. And that's why I distance myself from the backstabbing, lying clique.

Don't get me wrong, there are obviously good, honest people too. But the majority have filled the stereotype to the T. It's sad. I don't even defend bodybuilders or bodybuilding anymore. If people ask, I just tell them I lift weights and loosely follow the competitive scene.

[Praetorian]

It's true though. Even people who've been bodybuilding for 30+ years have told me that. And that's why I distance myself from the backstabbing, lying clique.

Don't get me wrong, there are obviously good, honest people too. But the majority have filled the stereotype to the T. It's sad. I don't even defend bodybuilders or bodybuilding anymore. If people ask, I just tell them I lift weights and loosely follow the competitive scene.

Son you need to listen more and speak less. Ive given my time freely on this board to assist those who ask questions and are willing to learn. Ive trained for over 25 years and have been competitive for 14 of those years. I never professed to know everything but I do have a vast amount of knowledge gained from experience and those who are elite in their sports...ie IFBB pros, International champion powerlifters, etc. I am giving you some advice that is widely held as true throughout the lifting community. I am the furthest thing from the typical BB stereotye being an educated professional in my career...not BB so dont assume or generalize about anyone prior to learning more about them. To learn and grow in this sport you need to be open minded...I am still learning after all my years and will continue to do so...until Im finished in this sport. I suggest you give your ego a rest and open your mind...youll find it much more productive.
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[natenator]

Son you need to listen more and speak less. Ive given my time freely on this board to assist those who ask questions and are willing to learn. Ive trained for over 25 years and have been competitive for 14 of those years. I never professed to know everything but I do have a vast amount of knowledge gained from experience and those who are elite in their sports...ie IFBB pros, International champion powerlifters, etc. I am giving you some advice that is widely held as true throughout the lifting community. I am the furthest thing from the typical BB stereotye being an educated professional in my career...not BB so dont assume or generalize about anyone prior to learning more about them. To learn and grow in this sport you need to be open minded...I am still learning after all my years and will continue to do so...until Im finished in this sport. I suggest you give your ego a rest and open your mind...youll find it much more productive.
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+1

[bongd]

Son you need to listen more and speak less. Ive given my time freely on this board to assist those who ask questions and are willing to learn. Ive trained for over 25 years and have been competitive for 14 of those years. I never professed to know everything but I do have a vast amount of knowledge gained from experience and those who are elite in their sports...ie IFBB pros, International champion powerlifters, etc. I am giving you some advice that is widely held as true throughout the lifting community. I am the furthest thing from the typical BB stereotye being an educated professional in my career...not BB so dont assume or generalize about anyone prior to learning more about them. To learn and grow in this sport you need to be open minded...I am still learning after all my years and will continue to do so...until Im finished in this sport. I suggest you give your ego a rest and open your mind...youll find it much more productive.
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Back at ya. I found your demeanor very closed minded and offensive, which is why I responded in hostility. In any event, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the GH and slin matter.

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[daande]

Doesn't GH make your body produce more muscle cells? Wouldnt that make you bigger/stronger? Even without juice?

[pseclint]

good thread as I have been told that running GH post cycle can heed gains in 5+ ius....... obviously this thought process is wrong....

[CanadianIron]

Back at ya. I found your demeanor very closed minded and offensive, which is why I responded in hostility. In any event, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the GH and slin matter.

:beat

And no one will care that you disagree because your opinion doesnt count up against a BB pro... nice try though.

:ji

[bongd]

And no one will care that you disagree because your opinion doesnt count up against a BB pro... nice try though.

:ji

Thanks but I'll trust medical literature over drug abusers any day, my friend.

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[Knuckles28]

I'm not going to go down this path with you. Bodybuilders are liars so I'm not going to listen to your bold claims. You're taking things out of context and being elitist. You're also very mistaken on every "point" and ad hominem.

Have fun up there on your high horse, bud.

So are golfers, anyone who hunts or fishes etc....
Really your coming off as a douche..

Thanks for the info form the people with experience!! I have no advice to offer but i found myself wondering if GH alone would gain mass. guess not.

[bongd]

So are golfers, anyone who hunts or fishes etc....
Really your coming off as a douche..

Thanks for the info form the people with experience!! I have no advice to offer but i found myself wondering if GH alone would gain mass. guess not.

Boo hoo. I've contributed plenty of positive, helpful advice. What I don't appreciate is the misinformation being spread. I can snap back at people if they're douche bags but I'll just as quickly drop the beef if anyone wants to have an intelligent discussion.

This is just the internet. Nothing to really take seriously at the end of the day. And I certainly hope no one else does either because if so... they're gonna need some thicker skin to hang with the meanies on the internet.

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