the new, new cycle thoughts?

[DRAPE09]

My last cycle i was plannin on got hated on pretty hard,,, ive been researching, this seems to be a good cycle,i feel like running test and tren, while coming off with winny will be a good way to gain solid mass? i will also be using clomid plus nolva.


week 1-2- 100mg test prop, 125mg test cyp, 70mg tren p/w
week 3-7- 300mg test prop, 250mg test cyp, 210mg tren p/w
week 8- 100mg test prop, 70mg tren
week 9- 50 mg winny, 100mcg clen
week 10- 50 mg winny
week 11- 50 mg winny, 100mcg clen
week 12- 50 mg winny

should i run my test and tren longer than weeks 3 -7

[baza]

Wow. Why start low the first two weeks and increase?
And dont' stop the prop, run it with the winny.

[DRAPE09]

should i run the test and tren longer than week 3-7, maybe 3-10, and take the prop with the winny on my way off? would you suggest approx 250mg test prop p/w with the winni at the end ?
what about tren 210mg p/w, at the end instead of the prop?

[PdH]

Why do you 'feel' like running test and tren? Planning a cycle is a thinking process and you get to 'feel' the outcome of the thinking process when you start. Anyway, my advice is to listen to those who gave you advice in your last thread. It's your 'second' cycle. Store the tren and winny until you're ready to use them properly. That is all. :)

[DRAPE09]

From what ive read, it seemed like running tren and test would be a good bulk, then winny an clen to cut access fat and harden up...

[nisser]

It's still incredibly horrible.

Since you don't give a shit about doing it right, go ahead and start poking.

[DRAPE09]

if i didnt give a shit why would i be asking questions... ya meatball

[gsxr750]

What's your macro breakdown going to look like Drape09?

[PdH]

K, the winny will harden you up when you're at 5 - 7% body fat and lower. Then when you stop taking it the hardening effect goes away. It is a cosmetic compound. What you want to achieve takes years of thoughtful diet, training, and lastly, gear. You can't rely on gear to do things in a short period of time. It doesn't work that way. People with much experience are giving you the same advice, yet you're not listening. Take heed, young Jedi.

[Big D]

your still way off,

no point on using all these different compounds,

all you need to grow is TEST thats it.

test cyp 500mg /week for 12 to 14 weeks.

nice an simple.

the problem with your cycle right now is your all over the place. I think your being cheap, if you only have one bottle of each, well then save up and wait untill you have the proper stuff and knowledge before using.

do a search type in FIRST CYCLE, that should help

[bigtavi8]

I know all you read on the boards and advice and that can be confusing. But ill put it into perspective for you. You have now done your research good this time and you want to get a bulker going. You must run test weeks 1-12 at 500mg. Thats a give in. Then the tren ah..wait until next go the shit is too advanced for us (when i say us i mean im in the same boat and wouldnt use tren becuase im simply not ready.) Plus its expensive, too exotic for your 2nd cycle. So use the KISS protocol and save money and have a less confusing blast. Dont bother with the prop and all that shit do this.

Test E (or Cyp)-W1-12...500mg EW
Then if you must use the winny then...
Winny 50mg ED W8-12

SO easy and only 2 pokes of a ml a week. Then when you finish your 12 weeker. Go into PCT.

Nolva 40/40/20/20
CLomid (dont use it but research the doses you need)

After recovering from this. THENNNNNN use the Clen and ramp up and all that to cut some BF

Also with any type of test i keep Arimidex on hand because its just great shit for cutting bloat and estro. So there you have it.

[_Ragnar_]

DO THIS^^^

[monkey]

Your cycle suggestions are like a car wreck that I just can\t stop looking at... Anyways, whatyou need to know has been mentioend... I am not sure what you want with the Winny... and Tren is supposed to shut you down hard ( maybe something you wanna avoid for your first cycle and perhaps simply find out how it feels to be shut down on test...)
Even if you have to save and wait a while... who cares in the end. But I am pretty sure that you will regret starting a shitty, badly planned cycle without the proper amount of information.

[Danger]

Well at least he is asking questions first right!

I think most of what you need to know has been covered.

You already have some test-c so just buy enough so you can run 10-12 weeks @ 500mg/week, its probably important to tell you that you are going to have less than you expect mabey even 1ml less per 10ml vial depending on how precises you are since some will be lost in the needles ect unitl you get used to injecting.

I personally would not run clen after my first cylce unless I had already uses clen and knew how I was going to respond.

[tex]

keep is simple for the 1st cycle like these guys say.....cuz if you do get sides (and you will with tren and winny) you wont know what to drop or decrease......and you dont have proper stuff for pct anyways.....you need clomid or nolva for sure and if you are gonna hit the tren(baaaaaad idea), you'll need some hcg as well......

[DRAPE09]

thanks for the feed back... i think ill take the advice and just run test...

[theboss]

thanks for the feed back... i think ill take the advice and just run test...

good idea.

[waderow]

yeah dude... keep it simple

go test cyp for 500 ew for 12. If you want to get crazy..... throw in a bit of dbol for the last 5 weeks

Looks like youre going to try to lose some fat.... do that first maybe, so delay the cycle perhaps for a month or two and take your clen pre-cycle.

[GYMBRAT]

thanks for the feed back... i think ill take the advice and just run test...

you've seen the light :ht :)

[Danger]

Good luck bro your definitely going to enjoy the cycle! Test works your going to love the results.